Superheavy Company?

[Dayton3]

Maybe this is sacrilegious but after  30 years in BT I'm still wondering why a "lance" consists of four mechs

[ANS Kamas P81]

Because a NATO-style tank platoon consists of four tanks, and a flight of fighter jets is four aircraft.  The reasoning is that it can divide into two pairs, each with an overwatch element and a maneuver element, trading off in an advance.

[truetanker]

Gorky voice: In Russia, three is crowd, four is mob. We like crowd, mob equals riot. Russian riots bad.

TT

[Hellraiser]

Only in Russia is 4 a riot.

Everybody else knows "4 is a Fire Team".

Or a night out of couples swinging...   1 or the other.

I guess it all depends on location.

[Stormlion1]

We're all missing the Obvious. Tripods should be fielded in groups of three. Because War of the World's

[Hellraiser]

Technically I think TT & I did that above.

His "Company" is 4 groups of 3.

My 2 "big" lances are 3 Tripods & a Heavy/Assault mech escort.

[truetanker]

Aphrodite CM1 slaved to 2 Hephaestus and Aphrodite CM4
Aphrodite CM2 slaved to 2 Archer and Warhammer

Aphrodite CM3 slaved to Marauder, Malice and King Crab
Aphrodite CM4 slaved to 2 Hephaestus and Aphrodite CM1

If that's better...

Overall, a very scary force. 2 Triple SH leading another Triple of Support each while a another full unit supporting that.

TT

[Stormlion1]

The one Tripod force I have built so far is one Ares with a pair of Triskelion's and a Fulcrum for scouting and harassing. Add Battle Armor to cling to the Ares and you have a very effective force to hold or seize a objective.

[Hellraiser]

Aphrodite CM1 slaved to 2 Hephaestus and Aphrodite CM4
Aphrodite CM2 slaved to 2 Archer and Warhammer

Aphrodite CM3 slaved to Marauder, Malice and King Crab
Aphrodite CM4 slaved to 2 Hephaestus and Aphrodite CM1

If that's better...

Overall, a very scary force. 2 Triple SH leading another Triple of Support each while a another full unit supporting that.

TT

Doesn't using 2 Aphrodites invalidate C3 network rule of a single mech being part of 2 networks?
I think you can only use it for the Company Commander but you can't make an Aphrodite act as a "double lance" commander w/o being the CO.

Which then brings up the issue that there needs to be an Ares model w/ just a single C3M.

[truetanker]

Not if designated as CO, with the other as subordinate.

Now having said that, the unit in question is just a ride.

Can you provide criteria?

My rule books are packed, I was understanding that it was allowed.

TT

[Generalripphook]

Superheavies are pretty fun to field on the table. They are attention magnets.

Definitely not biased but I have 16

[truetanker]

Would love to see more cannon Tripod designs in the other weights.

SLDF, Successor Wars, even a Clan IIC variant.

Something to give us more units to play off...

TT

[Hellraiser]

My rule books are packed, I was understanding that it was allowed.

Mine too, but I swore the rule was you can't be apart of 2 lance networks unless you are also the CO unit.

So a 2 C3M unit has to be a lance CM & the Company CM.

You can't have 2 C3M & be the commander of lance B & C both.

[truetanker]

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/C3_command_unit#Game_Rules

I can control a master but not its slaves.

Which is why my 2 Slaves and Master Control 1 Master over that work out, the other controller is for the Slaved Non-Tripod.

Allowing me to use the second unit to assault the corridor while providing it's own Support via the second units C3M. That units 2nd control the support.

I understand it is confusing...

Why I highlight everything in color, blue, green , red and orange per CM.

TT

[Metallgewitter]

While we ar etalking about C3 would a Tripod unit with C3I make more sense? You don't need a Master as every unit is it's own "master" and the network is less susceptible to the destruction of the "master" unit (downside it has no TAg and weigs more which is trivial for a Tripod imho)

[truetanker]

Or a Nova CEWS for that matter...

TT

[Stormlion1]

Or a Nova CEWS for that matter...

TT

Might be a good addition to future Clan Wolf Tripod designs. Of course there dishonorable but the Inner Sphere Surats can take the dishonor.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I don't believe that any Clans in the Inner Sphere ever encountered the Nova CEWS or any other Society tech.

[truetanker]

Not yet...

Who knows what the future holds... TT

[Stormlion1]

I don't believe that any Clans in the Inner Sphere ever encountered the Nova CEWS or any other Society tech.

Jade Falcon's fought the Society under Etienne in the Periphery. He would have been using that tech.

[Metallgewitter]

Jade Falcon's fought the Society under Etienne in the Periphery. He would have been using that tech.

Etienne was split from his Clan associates when he was banned from the Clan Homeworlds. So I assume that the tech the Homeworld society created never made it to Etienne's sanctuary. Of course it COULD have propagated to other Clans but so far it hasn't appeared. And I wonder if any IS power can actually manufacture C3I at the moment. The Republic should have the schematics for it unless the Blakists wiped everything from their databases. And maybe we get the next step then: boosted C3I technology

[Stormlion1]

Etienne was split from his Clan associates when he was banned from the Clan Homeworlds. So I assume that the tech the Homeworld society created never made it to Etienne's sanctuary. Of course it COULD have propagated to other Clans but so far it hasn't appeared. And I wonder if any IS power can actually manufacture C3I at the moment. The Republic should have the schematics for it unless the Blakists wiped everything from their databases. And maybe we get the next step then: boosted C3I technology

Split yes, but he was a leader of the Society and from his threats he still had access to the Clan Homeworlds and trade with other Society cells. It's even noted he received reinforcements from the Clan Homeworlds even after he relocated into the Periphery. So it's a very good chance mechs with Nova CEWs or the systems themselves also made it out there.

It's more of a question if the Falcons recovered it rather than leaving everything to rot.

[Metallgewitter]

Split yes, but he was a leader of the Society and from his threats he still had access to the Clan Homeworlds and trade with other Society cells. It's even noted he received reinforcements from the Clan Homeworlds even after he relocated into the Periphery. So it's a very good chance mechs with Nova CEWs or the systems themselves also made it out there.

It's more of a question if the Falcons recovered it rather than leaving everything to rot.

If he had any they probably were destroyed when the Falcons bombarded his planet to dust. I somehow suspected that the Horses might have access to it as they also gained access to Ultraheavy Proto's which were an invention of the society but so far we haven't seen it.

[truetanker]

Well before the IS Taint showed up, CHH had pushed their own OZ Corridor. Zeta Galaxy ( Clan Stone Lion after the WoR ) held the Clan's Homeworld of Niles as well as their defensive outlying Enclaves.

Officially, Horses, and maybe Lions, would have the Nova CEWS for their vehicles, but so far that's a dirty end. No current Homie love, barely any forward motion in universe, more about IlClan than anything else.

TT

[Stormlion1]

I'd bet the tech was in the Inner Sphere but just hadn't been given much research into it because it is Society Tech. It's just gear in a warehouse, unresearched and gathering dust.

[truetanker]

Well let's look at history, pre-ilClan.

Falcons killed over 60% or more of their Scientist Caste, 35% Labour and Merchant associated with the Society.

Wolf not nearly as much, probably in the lower 8%, again associated with Society.

Bear not so much, more refitting their realm either from or preparing for conflicts, say 1% of any.

Assuming the Society got transferred at all.

Diamond Shark/Sea Fox is unknown... Mostly the "middleman" here.

But what falls off a transport "accidentally", we'll never know...

TT

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

IIRC, the Society failed to make inroads into the Shark or Bear lower castes.

[Metallgewitter]

The same goes for the Vipers and Spirirts. The Bears had the benefit of removing themselves way ahead of any "corruption" while the Sharks focus on economy made it hard for any Shark scientist to garner much weight for the society.
The Vipers and Spirits on the other hand are so rigid that the society could not get a foothold or rather considered them "useless". The example I rememebr is that Viper scientists were notoroius for debating any new idea throwing trials around just to proove they are right.

[Stormlion1]

The Blood Spirits hated every other Clan with a passion. Talking to them is like slamming your head into a brick wall. I am Blood Spirit. All others are Surats.

[truetanker]

I'll assume at least the Society got a toe grip in every Clan, some rooted, Falcons, some withered, Shark/Fox, but others are isolated cells, quietly alone and not making waves.

What's stopping a new cell from completing the ultimate Society goal(s)?

And assumes they're a dead end, never to be seen again?

Several factions have been redeemed and resurrected before.

Niops, Mica, RWR (Escape from Castle Wulfensteiner) and the hints dropped in the various ISP books.

I know Wulfensteiner is Non-Canon, but the idea of a "dead" faction's lost outpost is still a valid idea.

Every once in a while, CGL drops subtle hints, like bread crumbs, not obvious enough, cryptic almost, but they're there.

Still missing : two "Hidden" worlds, not yet discovered. Several major WoB units disappeared completely en masse. And a few other oddities, here and there..

TT