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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #60 on: 05 April 2011, 09:03:28 »
I'd go with the following H/M/M/L combination, for a FWL flavor:

ON-1K Orion (base model, decent balance of long and short-ranged firepower, tons of armor) (Alternate = TDR-5S)
HBK-4J "Swayback" (2XLRM-10 version, with 5 MLs if anyone gets the stupid idea of closing) (Alternate = WTH-1)
HER-2M Hermes "Mercury" (7/11 speed and decent armor/firepower mix, perfect "backstabber") (Alternate = PXH-1)
FS-9M Firestarter "Mirage" (jumper, another good infighter) (Alternate = JR-7F)

I've fielded this combination many times in Megamek, with consistently good results.  With the ON and HBK serving as the "anvil", the combination of jumpable and faster ground-bound elements are generally able to quickly demolish any opposing skirmishers in almost any terrain, then outflank the opposing heavy element.  As the opposing units start engaging the "anvil", the mobile "hammer" pair closes in for backshots or physicals.  Both have Flamers to add insult to injury if the opponent over-fires and gets toasty, and MGs to exploit any armor breaches that are made, or remove pesky footsloggers that get in the way.

The unit is a bit LRM-heavy, and ammo dependent because of that, but nothing else gets the job done as well for the tonnage and heat.  As long as you're aware of it, and stock up sufficent LRM ammo in advance, there should be few serious problems.  The ON is unlikely to run out of SRMs in several back-to-back engagements, but it would definitely pay to bring a few extra AC/10 rounds for an extended campaign.  MG ammo isn't even worth thinking about, other than having too much on board at any given time (although I've actually managed to burn through about 30 rounds in a game with the HER before).
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #61 on: 05 April 2011, 09:23:49 »
Heavy, 2 Mediums and a Light Lance:

Super Griffin : it's canon, barely.
Super Wasp : same thing, barely.
P-Hawk-1
P-Hawk-1D

Or if I felt like it, the Four Horsemen of Maltex : Wyvern-5N.

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #62 on: 05 April 2011, 09:57:23 »
I'd go with the heavy, 2 mediums, and a light. My choices being:
Thunderbolt TDR-5S
Griffin GRF-1N
Wolverine WVR-6M
Jenner JR7-F

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #63 on: 05 April 2011, 11:18:48 »
LNX-8Q... I think that thing is just silly. It's like a weak, under-sinked OSR-2C with no hands or lower arms. It honestly COULD have been a great 'Mech. But like the EXT-4A, it's one step from greatness.

Ha ha!  Yes the LNX-8Q is not a peak efficiency 'Mech.  It's not meant to be.  It's a compromise of old technologies on a high tech chassis.  And I don't agree that it's "silly" considering it's at least on par with a Crab CRB-20.
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #64 on: 05 April 2011, 14:40:10 »
I wouldn't consider the CRB-20 much of a standard to begin with, but in comparison to the Crab, it still comes a little short. The LNX-8Q is 150 more BV than the CRB-20 and has a bad heat curve, being able to fire 2 x Large Laser + Run only one turn before coming across +5 heat and needing to scale back to 1 x Large Laser. The CRB- downgrade can at least maintain its firing rate for two turns before needing to use bracket fire and it doesn't need the additional BV to do so.

Is the LNX-8Q fun to use? Sure. I love the EXT-4A for that reason. But it's definitely a bizarre choice for a downgrade. [Note: I'd have probably reduced it to a 4/6/4 profile and made the Engine downgrade / PPC - LL swap then added a heat sink by adjusting the armor 1 point. It would be slower but far more fitting for the Lynx's damage profile. It would actually compete with the GLT-4L and similar designs at that point. :) ]
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #65 on: 05 April 2011, 15:50:42 »
Yeah that sounds good.  I was looking at one of the "X-BT" varients in MegaMek.  Where do the "BT" varients come from? Or more precisely, are those standard 3025 varients?
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #66 on: 05 April 2011, 16:03:42 »
Yeah that sounds good.  I was looking at one of the "X-BT" varients in MegaMek.  Where do the "BT" varients come from? Or more precisely, are those standard 3025 varients?

Those look like either Custom 'Mechs or something from BattleTechnology Magazine.
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #67 on: 05 April 2011, 16:35:54 »
None of the BattleTechnology 'Mechs have the -BT suffix...
Although I guess it could've been added in HMP.
A mostly complete list can be found here.
Do note that some of those have later become canon 'Mechs.

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #68 on: 05 April 2011, 19:24:22 »
I found them. BattleTechnology #9, page 50.  But it looks like that "Lynx" has nothing to do with the one in TRO 3058, I guess they're two different 'Mechs.  The Lynx in BT #9 says it was based on the Wolverine chassis.  Anyway, tangent...

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #69 on: 06 April 2011, 07:52:02 »
I found them. BattleTechnology #9, page 50.  But it looks like that "Lynx" has nothing to do with the one in TRO 3058, I guess they're two different 'Mechs.  The Lynx in BT #9 says it was based on the Wolverine chassis.  Anyway, tangent...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the old Lynx isn't related to the 3058 Lynx.  At least that's what I've always understood.

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #70 on: 09 April 2011, 11:47:41 »
Funnest way to come up with your lance. Find the old 3025 mech assignment tables & roll them off. You get what you get. Back in 3025 you were lucky to have a lance of mechs.
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #71 on: 09 April 2011, 12:07:52 »
First book I got was Battletech manual:The Rules of Warfare, blue book with black boarder.

It's so old, I had to repair it a few times, now she is in a plastic book slieve.

Construction rules for everything, including Brain Castles. But they called them Gun Emplacement buildings with basements back then. Didn't have the RATs, but that's what the Citytech, Aerotech and Battletech old skool books were for.

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #72 on: 11 April 2011, 00:44:55 »
Being mercenaries you've got to keep operational costs down! I'd go with heavy armor and energy weapons:

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Granted you could say the Crab and Hussar variants are 3039, but there are plenty of downgraded Star League units that have been running for the past few hundred years.
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So you're saying it's Cold War era sci-fi war machines?

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #73 on: 11 April 2011, 22:19:20 »
Warhammer/Marauder
Griffin
Griffin
Panther

I like PPCs...lots of PPCs

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #74 on: 20 April 2011, 20:42:48 »
let see... the last rulebook i have purchased for the game was the Battletech compendium (FASA 1640)

but since i found the old stuff and have getting the hankering to play again looks like i've been out of the loop for a while :D

fortunatly for me my 3025 tech manual still works, so without further babbling:

Warhammer
Rifleman
Archer or Longbow
Grasshopper

now i got to go buy some books if the local hobby store has them :D
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #75 on: 20 April 2011, 21:50:22 »
Quick pick:

Archer - S
Griffin
Wolverine
Javelin - F

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #76 on: 30 April 2011, 13:12:54 »
GRH-5N Grasshopper. The jumping zombie that replaces the LL & LRM with a PPC & additional ML.
PHX-1D Phoenix Hawk - drops the MGs for more HS.
HBK-4G Hunchback - because in 3025 you gotta fear the Big Dakka
JR7-F Jenner - the one that drops the SRM for more armour.

Not bad but I see your lance and raise you a ....

Catapult-C1
Griffin-1S
Wolverine-6M
Spider-5V

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #77 on: 02 May 2011, 13:22:47 »
In 3025, the most common 'Mechs out there were mediums, so I would say a merc lance is most likely to be 4 mediums.

Looking at the most common 'Mech 'Mechs in 3025, I would come up with a combination of the following units, in order of probability:
Phoenix Hawk
Wolverine
Griffin
Shadow Hawk

If Davion flavor, substitute:
Enforcer
Dervish

If Steiner flavor, substitute:
Trebuchet
Whitworth

If Kurita flavor, substitute:
Whitworth
Hunchback

If Marik flavor, substitute:
Hermes II

If Liao flavor, substitute:
Vindicator
Clint


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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #78 on: 02 May 2011, 13:45:36 »
In 3025, the most common 'Mechs out there were mediums, so I would say a merc lance is most likely to be 4 mediums.

Looking at the most common 'Mech 'Mechs in 3025, I would come up with a combination of the following units, in order of probability:
Phoenix Hawk
Wolverine
Griffin
Shadow Hawk

If Davion flavor, substitute:
Enforcer
Dervish

If Steiner flavor, substitute:
Trebuchet
Whitworth

If Kurita flavor, substitute:
Whitworth
Hunchback

If Marik flavor, substitute:
Hermes II

If Liao flavor, substitute:
Vindicator
Clint


Mix and match for your universal fun.  :)

I always thought Steiner flavour was Chameleons, Sentinels and Hatchetmen (All three were produced by Defiance around the era). Marik flavour is more Cicadas, Hermes IIs, Hunchbacks and Trebuchets (which they produce aggressively at various sites in the League). Kurita generally disdains Mediums, so beyond the Whitworth and the smattering of K's, I can't really see them as a Medium 'Mech force.

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #79 on: 02 May 2011, 22:45:23 »
I was picking the most common Medium 'Mechs for those factions.  There are certainly others that are faction specific, but those noted are the MOST COMMON.  ;)

The Hachetman for instance was an example of a definite faction flavor 'Mech, but it was just entering production.  It would be a long time, if ever, before it became one of the most common Medium 'Mechs of the Steiner faction.  ;)
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #80 on: 03 May 2011, 00:00:10 »
I was picking the most common Medium 'Mechs for those factions.  There are certainly others that are faction specific, but those noted are the MOST COMMON.  ;)

The Hachetman for instance was an example of a definite faction flavor 'Mech, but it was just entering production.  It would be a long time, if ever, before it became one of the most common Medium 'Mechs of the Steiner faction.  ;)

Ah...  ;)

Which table though. There are BUCKETS of different tables produced over the years which each tell you an entirely different thing altogether.  #P

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #81 on: 03 May 2011, 00:38:17 »
The table I looked at came from MechWarrior 2nd

Interestingly, the top four 'Mechs I picked really ARE the basic 4 medium 'Mechs throughout the Inner Sphere, and are very common in all of those tables.

As for the faction flavor 'Mechs, I picked anything NOT in that basic four group that was in the 6, 7, or 8 position, IE the most common based on that RAT.

The reason I used the MechWarrior 2nd RAT was because I do not know of a RAT in any 3025 publication, and that is the first published set of RATs that I know of.  If there is another one in an earlier publication, please tell me.  :)

In short though, I think any of those units would make a good representative lance of the universe, if not an EFFECTIVE lance for the board game.  ;)  Although, there are really very few situations in which a Wolverine or a Phoenix Hawk is not at least EFFECTIVE.  The Shadow Hawk...yeah...not the best design ever...;)
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #82 on: 03 May 2011, 00:44:39 »
It's definitely not older, but I've always worked with this set of tables for 3025 availability: http://www.classicbattletech.com/downloads/Random%20Tables-3025.pdf

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #83 on: 03 May 2011, 00:51:13 »
That is a VERY interesting set of tables.  I've never seen it before.  Has that ever been printed or is it a fan table?
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #84 on: 03 May 2011, 00:53:19 »
I have no idea.  :D It popped up in the downloads section of the CBT webby many years ago, and we've used it ever since.

There are some real oddities as a result of using the table though like the fact that the Cappys are actually MORE likely to generate Cicadas than the FWL.  :D
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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #85 on: 03 May 2011, 09:45:13 »
Those tables have been up on the website for years.  They're big, but that's about all they have going for them - you'll quickly notice the results they generate are rather off.
3028-3057 Random Assignment Tables -
Also contains faction deployment & rarity info.

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #86 on: 03 May 2011, 12:13:45 »
NAIS: The Fourth Succession War Military Atlas has a several of examples mech' lances for each faction in 3028-29. It's REALLY heavy on the unseen and doesn't show a lot of diversity though. I always figured those were the bread and butter lances of the Successor States during that era.
So you're saying it's Cold War era sci-fi war machines?

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #87 on: 03 May 2011, 15:53:38 »
Warhammer  WHM-6K
Wolverine      WVR-6K
Crab              CRB-20
Panther         PNT-9R

This lance provides a good variety of weaponry, with a strong medium range focus.  On the downside, it's not overly fast, and lacks anti-infantry capability. 
It's also Combine flavored. 

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #88 on: 12 May 2011, 04:44:53 »
Generic 3025 Lance

TDR-5S Thunderbolt, favorite heavy, even above the Warhammer. Tough as hell, heavy and varied armament
WVR-6R Wolverine, favourite medium, tough, mobile, good in all short-medium range
CLNT-2-3T Clint, because it's cool and you must have a badly designed 'mech in a 3025 Lance
STG-3R Stinger, because you have to have one of the millions of bugs in such a lance

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Re: 3025 lance
« Reply #89 on: 13 May 2011, 14:45:03 »
The reason I used the MechWarrior 2nd RAT was because I do not know of a RAT in any 3025 publication, and that is the first published set of RATs that I know of.  If there is another one in an earlier publication, please tell me.  :)
I honestly am not sure about this but I "THINK" there was a RAT in MW1 wasn't there ?
At work so can't confirm that.
Otherwise, hmm, maybe the old Master Rules-Compendium might be an Older RAT than MW2E but again, not at home to confirm them dates.

Hmm, the more I think about it, wow, IDK,  You sir might be onto something, MW2E might be the 1st historical RAT.

Well, speaking of Historical, actually Brush Wars & Wo39 both had RATs and at pre-date the "3050 Era" that MW2 was set in.  Maybe check those out.


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