Author Topic: Great Heavy Mechs with C3i (Read 9659 times)

Nerhesi · « **on:** 20 June 2011, 08:33:39 »

Examples? :) Anything.. from sluggers to LRM Buckets.. go :)

DaveMac · « **Reply #1 on:** 20 June 2011, 08:37:06 »

How about the Vanquisher

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 June 2011, 08:42:25 »

The White Flame is a pretty handy customer- as part of a unit. On it's own, it's pretty subpar- good speed and jumping, but decidedly thin on guns and/or butter. Combine it with a C3i unit though, and it can act as a pretty tough-to-kill spotter, a fun scout hunter, a good flanker... just treat it like a medium in a heavy's body... and, you know, with four legs.

Bumping slightly past the heavy range into low-end assault, I worship the ruined ground that the Legacy walks on. One of the game's hidden gems- even nastier with C3i friends. I've used a hunter-killer team for some time of a Legacy-2, White Flame, Gurkha, Lightray, Red Shift, and Nexus to great effect (I got all six minis at once and painted them up identically- then found that they made a really great team.)

Nerhesi · « **Reply #3 on:** 20 June 2011, 09:21:16 »

Quote from: DaveMac on 20 June 2011, 08:37:06

How about the Vanquisher

Yeah I'm looking for the 60-75 range - I do already have a whiteflame and a Marauder-C3i-can'trememberthevariant

Demos · « **Reply #4 on:** 20 June 2011, 09:34:11 »

The Toyama-B is a good MEch.
Equipped with a Light Engien and Heavy & Light PPCs. Sweet.

RGCavScout · « **Reply #5 on:** 20 June 2011, 09:38:22 »

Bombardier (-14C) is a great little addition to a C3i formation. 2 LRm-20's (w/Artemis) is a nice little bit of firepower.

Demos is also right, the Toyama (-1B) is a decent brawler.

There are also a couple of good Lancelot (-04 and -06 - I think) and Flashman (-9B and -9C) variants that can stick and move really well.

Although it is out of the tonnage Bracket I have had good success with the Legacy (-03) variant. It is a little faster (4/6/3) and carries a couple of Heavy PPCs.

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #6 on:** 20 June 2011, 09:54:14 »

The Dragon Fire can be fun.

Dread Moores · « **Reply #7 on:** 20 June 2011, 10:04:05 »

Toyama, Dragon Fire, Marauder, Guillotine, Archer, and the Ostsol all have c3i variants worth checking out.

willydstyle · « **Reply #8 on:** 20 June 2011, 11:15:31 »

The heavy Celestial mechs have variants worth using.

Shijima_3085 · « **Reply #9 on:** 20 June 2011, 21:44:16 »

The Flashman and Bombadier give some great long range thumping ability, while being able to keep up with a moving battle.

And seconded on the Celestials. Useable in almost any configuration, just don't skimp on the Pilot skill - remember the small cockpits.

Lanceman · « **Reply #10 on:** 20 June 2011, 22:10:25 »

I love the Toyamas and Guillotines that come equipped with C3i. The EXT-5F Exterminator is kinda snazzy too.

Sartris · « **Reply #11 on:** 20 June 2011, 22:30:37 »

Yeah, I'll vouch for the GLT-6WB. Depending on your playstyle, you might be able to find some Grigori or Deva configs that suit your needs.

Kojak · « **Reply #12 on:** 21 June 2011, 00:02:33 »

Not to toot my own horn, but I happen to be one of the resident C3i experts 'round these parts. Here's are the C3i heavies I've gotten good results with over the years; YMMV.

Avatar AV1-OE
A solid trooper; nothing too flashy, but it is one of the few C3i 'Mechs to carry ECM, which makes it invaluable if you play with ECCM rules like I do.

Bombardier BMB-14C
Good old-fashioned missile boat. No real backup weaponry so you'll want to escort it, but if you're deploying C3i properly you'll be doing that anyway.

Champion CHP-3P
Packs a solid medium range punch, and it's a nice way to get iNarc onto the field.

Deva C-DVA-OB
The ultimate go-to for C3i sniper-age in the heavy weight class. Twin ER PPCs, a T-comp and ECM. Accept no substitutes.

Dragon Fire DGR-6FC
It's the Dragon Fire with C3i capabilities. 'Nuff said.

Exterminator EXT-5E
Another nice cavalry unit, and likewise another good option for fielding iNarc.

Flashman FLS-9C
This 'Mech requires careful heat management. It's not fantastic, but it performs well if you finesse it, and the ranges on the ERLLs work well with C3i.

Shootist ST-9C
The only 'Mech on this list with an SFE, the -9C is thoroughly durable and should be among your first choices for the backboard of a heavy fire support Level II.

Toyama TYM-1B
The Toyama is capable of throwing a metric shitload of firepower downrange, and with efficient heat-bracketing too.

White Flame WHF-3C
Great for, well, for the stuff JHB said. No need to repeat him ad nauseam.

I haven't yet gotten a chance to use the MAD-9W Marauder, but if you have nothing against 3/5/5 'Mechs it's pretty nice on paper.

DaveMac · « **Reply #13 on:** 21 June 2011, 09:16:44 »

Quote from: Nerhesi on 20 June 2011, 09:21:16

Yeah I'm looking for the 60-75 range - I do already have a whiteflame and a Marauder-C3i-can'trememberthevariant

Sorry, my bad should have actually read the question!

Maelwys · « **Reply #14 on:** 21 June 2011, 15:58:26 »

I don't think enough good can be said about the 6FC Dragon Fire. I think its overlooked because its not originally a WoB design, and so it gets glossed over when looked at next to the Toyama and White Flame. Its just a solid `Mech. No fancy tricks, no odd combinations (something that you seem to run into alot with WoB designs), just a solid, max armored, 4/6 heavy that overheats by 5 on a running Alpha Strike.

It packs c3i, a Gauss Rifle (with 2 tons of ammo!), a LB10-X (Again, with two tons), 2xERML and an ERLL. It can punch holes in targets while being able to handle vehicles and VTOLs. About the only thing it has a problem with is infantry, and hopefully one of the other 5 units in your Level II is able to handle them.

I'm surprised the White Flame has been mentioned a couple of times, and no one has brought up the D1 Excalibur. 5/8/5, RAC5, twin ERML and a Streak SRM6. Its maybe a bit more optimized for pre-TW play (it has a targeting computer for that RAC), but its relatively accurate, and can fill the heavy scout role that the White Flame does. 3 tons of ammo means its got duration, and the TC lets you hit while jumping around. Though I will admit that it is more expensive in terms of BV, probably C-bills, and has less armor than the White Flame. I've found it useful as a secondary scout, or to make sure that your heavy heavy hitters in the back aren't rushed.

gooseman · « **Reply #15 on:** 21 June 2011, 17:06:32 »

Listen to Hellbie, the Legacy 03 is a nasty beast. Give it a try, you know you want to.

Kojak · « **Reply #16 on:** 21 June 2011, 19:36:57 »

The LGC-03 is an undersinked piece of shit. The LGC-02, on the other hand, is probably the best C3i LRM boat out there; four of those paired with a couple of EXT-5Es is a thing to behold.

Shijima_3085 · « **Reply #17 on:** 21 June 2011, 19:53:31 »

The -03 Legacy has some serious heat issues, but they can be handled if you don't mind dropping both of the HPPCs every other round once into heavy combat.

Kojak · « **Reply #18 on:** 21 June 2011, 19:56:16 »

Doing so leaves it with pretty anemic firepower for a 'Mech of that size. If you need a 4/6 assault 'Mech with C3i, take a THG-12E Thug or an MR-6B Cerberus.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #19 on:** 21 June 2011, 20:27:10 »

I don't know about "great" but I tend to like the 2750 refits..

Champion
Bombardier
Exterminator
Guillotine
Excalibur
Flashman

Otherwise the Celestial Omnis are always a guaranteed good time for C3i

gooseman · « **Reply #20 on:** 21 June 2011, 21:22:30 »

Quote from: Kojak on 21 June 2011, 19:36:57

The LGC-03 is an undersinked piece of shit. The LGC-02, on the other hand, is probably the best C3i LRM boat out there; four of those paired with a couple of EXT-5Es is a thing to behold.

I beg to differ, nothing like knocking the head off of anything at 18 hexes and not having to worry about that troublesome GXS.

Kojak · « **Reply #21 on:** 22 June 2011, 05:18:04 »

If you want to knock somebody's head off at range, as a Blakist you have much better options than the LGC-03. Color me unimpressed.

gooseman · « **Reply #22 on:** 22 June 2011, 06:02:00 »

Quote from: Kojak on 22 June 2011, 05:18:04

If you want to knock somebody's head off at range, as a Blakist you have much better options than the LGC-03. Color me unimpressed.

I'm listening. Your preferences?

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #23 on:** 22 June 2011, 09:27:38 »

Quote from: gooseman on 21 June 2011, 17:06:32

Listen to Hellbie, the Legacy 03 is a nasty beast. Give it a try, you know you want to.

It's not bad, but the one I'm raving about its the -02 model with the LRM-20s. Vicious little monster, with 40 LRMs downrange (move a C3i buddy into short range first!), and able to move in with lasers and SRMs to finish the job.

gooseman · « **Reply #24 on:** 22 June 2011, 13:49:44 »

Quote from: JadeHellbringer on 22 June 2011, 09:27:38

It's not bad, but the one I'm raving about its the -02 model with the LRM-20s. Vicious little monster, with 40 LRMs downrange (move a C3i buddy into short range first!), and able to move in with lasers and SRMs to finish the job.

<Jedi> You meant the 03. <?Jedi>

truetanker · « **Reply #25 on:** 22 June 2011, 14:53:40 »

Galahad-3D is a nice peice of work as a mobile sniper, combining with a pair of Bombardier, a Raijin 200-C or two and the rest as solid mid-fighters like the Wraith-3.

Try those out and see what you make of it!

TT

JadeHellbringer · « **Reply #26 on:** 22 June 2011, 15:49:54 »

Quote from: gooseman on 22 June 2011, 13:49:44

<Jedi> You meant the 03. <?Jedi>

Is it the -03? I don't have my books handy. Sorry!

It's still a good Mech, dammit! ;)

truetanker · « **Reply #27 on:** 22 June 2011, 16:02:21 »

No it is the -02, gooseman's attempt to jedi sway you failed!

[whipit]

TT

gooseman · « **Reply #28 on:** 22 June 2011, 17:47:25 »

Wow it (almost) worked!

Kojak · « **Reply #29 on:** 23 June 2011, 00:30:04 »

Quote from: gooseman on 22 June 2011, 06:02:00

I'm listening. Your preferences?

Well, just restricting things to assaults: if you need an assault that jumps and has two headcappers, you're better off taking the King Crab KGC-008 (or the Seraph D; at least it benefits from the overheat). As for 4/6 assaults, I mentioned the Thug and Cerberus earlier, either of which are more consistently reliable than the LGC-03.