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Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« on: 17 November 2018, 18:16:10 »
Hello, I am about to introduce ASF to our RPG campaign. Since they are a bunch of ground pounders, I thought it will be good to shake the PCs current confidence a little bit. I laughed thinking that they do not have any AA assets, like a Rifleman or so.

And then I looked at said mech in Alpha Strike. And found no rules at all that make it any better than say a shadow hawk or a Griffin (in fact it seems to be worse than a Griffin) to take down flyers.

Am I missing something O_o? It is supposed to be an AA mech after all, no?  :o

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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #1 on: 17 November 2018, 18:17:47 »
It also sucks at AA in Total Warfare without quirks.  The solution here is the same: use quirks, or use formation bonuses for Anti-Air.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #2 on: 17 November 2018, 18:40:22 »
So, I am not missing anything... :(
Will have to houserule that this kind of mech has flak (FLK1/1/1 or 2/2/1) by default or something, otherwise there is not much point in taking them. Weird. Same for the jaggermech, that has the same problem apparently.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #3 on: 18 November 2018, 22:37:03 »
Could always just use the AA Quirk...
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #4 on: 19 November 2018, 07:23:29 »
The Jagermech has AC1/1/1, and can use flak AC ammo.
The RFL-3N does not have AC, due to hear issues, but AC1/1/1 wouldn’t be unreasonable fudging so it could use flak ac ammo as well.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #5 on: 19 November 2018, 07:26:20 »
Quote from: Weirdo on 18 November 2018, 22:37:03
Could always just use the AA Quirk...
Hmm... where can I find it? I failed my search-fu roll and didn't find it in my AS rulebook


the thing about the Jagermech and Rifleman is that they are supposed to be good at shooting aircraft as default, not using special ammo. They are designed to do just that after all. And the current rules do not seem to support that :(
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #6 on: 21 November 2018, 21:29:28 »
Quote from: Elmoth on 19 November 2018, 07:26:20
Hmm... where can I find it? I failed my search-fu roll and didn't find it in my AS rulebook


the thing about the Jagermech and Rifleman is that they are supposed to be good at shooting aircraft as default, not using special ammo. They are designed to do just that after all. And the current rules do not seem to support that :(

The current rules do support it as has been stated.  Page 59 of the Alpha Strike Companion, the section entitled "Unit Design Quirks".  The downside, is that to use canonical quirks, you basically have to own the TRO that has the unit in it, as quirks have never been officially documented in any sort of consolidated location.  As far as the "Rifleman" or "Jagermech" being inherently good at anti-air...  Again, that is just fluff from a TRO.  Their official stats have never supported that statement, and they have no special rules in TW aside from quirks (going back to page 59 of the companion...) to impart that ability.  So your options are really either A) Use quirks/SPA's like you would in TW, B) Use special ammo, or C) House rule something in.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #7 on: 21 November 2018, 21:56:22 »
Quote from: DarkJaguar on 21 November 2018, 21:29:28
...quirks have never been officially documented in any sort of consolidated location. 

Battlemech Manual has all mechs from sources prior to publishing quirks with the stat blocks.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #8 on: 22 November 2018, 02:35:14 »
Ok, Will look there thanks. Was looking at the AS rulebook and going fairly mad trying to find it xD I do not own the companion myself, but will borrow it from a friend. Thanks :)

It might be fluff, but it is so prominent in both rifleman and jagermech that I found it really weird that a Griffin or dragon was better than them at shoting down aircraft.... It is not a footnote for those, it is their reason for existing in the first place.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #9 on: 22 November 2018, 07:23:08 »
Talking about AS and quirks... will the AS commander edition include some of them?
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #10 on: 22 November 2018, 22:39:59 »
Quote from: OpacusVenatori on 22 November 2018, 07:23:08
Talking about AS and quirks... will the AS commander edition include some of them?

I'm thinking ALL of them
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #11 on: 26 November 2018, 10:43:59 »
Quote from: Weirdo on 21 November 2018, 21:56:22
Battlemech Manual has all mechs from sources prior to publishing quirks with the stat blocks.

Neat, wasn't aware of that.  Now they just need to attach them to the MUL.
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #12 on: 26 November 2018, 11:11:27 »
Quote from: Son of Kerenski on 22 November 2018, 22:39:59
I'm thinking ALL of them

The AS rules for Quirks are already in the Companion.  If you mean a list of units assigning quirks to them, no, that won't be in the AS:CE. 
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Re: Ground to air attacks: Rifleman? O_o
« Reply #13 on: 06 December 2018, 16:44:43 »
If I know Aero is a threat I specifically take the SCA Anti-Air to give my force a very strong don't screw with me presence while still getting the bonus of a different formation ability.
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