7.5 Megaton Challenge

[CloaknDagger]

You are given the ability to create a small fleet/battlegroup/whatever of war/jump/drop/whatever ships.

It will be used for many different purposes, from planetary defense, to exploration, to fleet on fleet combat duty, to invasions.

Only one rules

1. You must be able to jump all of it. You can't just have a bunch of dropships (That is, not ONLY dropships), and you certainly can't have monitors.


Let's see what you can do.

[ABADDON]

My Lyran AU navy according to the Schlachtgruppen-Doctrine:
Some designs are from after the liberation of Sudeten and Pandora, some of them before, thus the difference in tech level concerning secondary aramament (even though with the RACs on the Monarch you would have to imagine some trade agreement with the Foxes). Rest is all IS tech.

2xArchon-class Battleship (1.750.000 t) with hull defense tanks, each carries 1xMonarch [NC³] (5k t)
1xJormungand-class Jumpship (385k t), carries 2xKriegswalküre [PWS], 1xKriegswalküre [ASF] carrying 144 Eisensturm II ASF (95t each even though they are already accounted for with the carrier), 1xWalküre [Cargo]
--> all jumpers are LFB-equipped
--> 4.091.000 tons

Doesn't need more tonnage to work as intended, which is being a quick and cost efficient response force that would be able to brutally beat anything warship-like to debris with ease.
Archons and Kriegswalküren stay back and spit thunder, while the ASFs and Monarchs are closing in.

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Class/Model/Name:  Archon (Battleship)
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3115
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              1.750.000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1.780 meters
Sail Diameter:     1.473 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (IS)
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   18 Heavy N-Gauss(C)
    4 Screen Launcher (IS)
   13 Killer Whale-T(C)
   42 NAC/30(C)
   20 Piranha(C)*
   42 Laser AMS(C)*
   21 Large Pulse Laser(C)
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Class/Model/Name:  Archon (Battleship)
Mass:              1.750.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      315.000,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 34)               791.875,00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              17.500,00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 7)                                             118,00
Structural Integrity: 150                                          262.500,00
Total Heat Sinks:    2.712 Double                                    1.874,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16.320,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              4.375,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Food & Water:  (400 days supply)                                     1.656,00
Armor Type:  I.S. Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (5.340 total armor p       5.250,00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1.001
   Fore-Left/Right:                  901/901
   Aft-Left/Right:                   901/901
   Aft:                                 735

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (4) with 2 doors                                800,00
   Bay 2:  Heavy Vehicles (51-100T) (12) with 4 doors                1.200,00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 1 door                                        95,00

DropShip Capacity:  1 Docking Hardpoints                             1.000,00
Grav Decks #1 - 3:  (140-meter diameter)                               300,00
Escape Pods:  135 (7 tons each)                                        945,00

Crew and Passengers:
     90 Officers (87 minimum)                                          900,00
    320 Crew (305 minimum)                                           2.240,00
    110 Gunners (108 minimum)                                          770,00
    192 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                      1.344,00
    116 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(C)(100 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
1 Screen Launcher (IS)(10 sNose        --     --     --     --   10    140,00
1 Killer Whale-T(C)(10 mslsNose         4      4      4      4   20    660,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    FL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    FL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 Killer Whale-T(C)(20 mslsFL/R         8      8      8      8   80  2.640,00
4 Piranha(C)*(40 msls)     FL/R        12     12     12     --   72  1.600,00
6 Laser AMS(C)*            FL/R        --     --     --     --   60     12,00
4 Large Pulse Laser(C)     FL/R     4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --   80     48,00
1 Screen Launcher (IS)(10 sL/RBS       --     --     --     --   20    280,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
1 Killer Whale-T(C)(10 mslsL/RBS        4      4      4      4   40  1.320,00
6 Laser AMS(C)*            L/RBS       --     --     --     --   60     12,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    AL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    AL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 Killer Whale-T(C)(20 mslsAL/R         8      8      8      8   80  2.640,00
4 Piranha(C)*(40 msls)     AL/R        12     12     12     --   72  1.600,00
6 Laser AMS(C)*            AL/R        --     --     --     --   60     12,00
4 Large Pulse Laser(C)     AL/R     4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --   80     48,00
1 Screen Launcher (IS)(10 sAft         --     --     --     --   10    140,00
2 NAC/30(C)(100 rounds)    Aft         60     60     60     --  200  7.080,00
2 Killer Whale-T(C)(20 mslsAft          8      8      8      8   40  1.320,00
4 Piranha(C)*(40 msls)     Aft         12     12     12     --   36    800,00
6 Laser AMS(C)*            Aft         --     --     --     --   30      6,00
5 Large Pulse Laser(C)     Aft      5(50)  5(50)  5(50)     --   50     30,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                           17.500,00
1 Naval C³                                                          17.500,00
1 Large NCSS                                                           500,00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 5.424   1.750.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        15.721.148.000 C-Bills (StratOps: 25,199 billion)
Battle Value:      411.864
Cost per BV:       38.170,73
Weapon Value:      273.421 (Ratio = ,66)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 17.852;  MRV = 17.719;  LRV = 13.910;  ERV = 5.380
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1.201.605
                   (278.406 Structure, 435.588 Life Support, 487.611 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 602.090  (50% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


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Class/Model/Name:  Jormungand (Jumpship)
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3091
Vessel Type:       JumpShip
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              385.000 tons
Length:            783 meters
Sail Diameter:     1.264 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       0
Maximum Thrust:    0
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   36 AMS
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Class/Model/Name:  Jormungand (Jumpship)
Mass:              385.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                        4.620,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 0
      Maximum Thrust: 0
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Standard (Integrity = 7)               365.750,00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                               3.850,00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 5)                                              81,00
Structural Integrity: 1                                              2.567,00
Total Heat Sinks:    141 Single                                           ,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   1.020,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                963,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (214 total armor pts)             214,00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 43
   Fore-Left/Right:                   35/35
   Aft-Left/Right:                    35/35
   Aft:                                  31

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Cargo (1) with 1 door                                       629,00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (2) with 1 door                                 400,00

DropShip Capacity:  4 Docking Hardpoints                             4.000,00
Grav Decks #1 - 3:  (90-meter diameter)                                150,00
Escape Pods:  7 (7 tons each)                                           49,00

Crew and Passengers:
      5 Officers (5 minimum)                                            50,00
     20 Crew (20 minimum)                                              140,00
      6 Gunners (6 minimum)                                             42,00
     10 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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6 AMS(144 rounds)          Nose        --     --     --     --    6     15,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          FL/R        --     --     --     --   12     30,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          AL/R        --     --     --     --   12     30,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          Aft         --     --     --     --    6     15,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (0,10%)                                              385,00
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TOTALS:                                               Heat: 36     385.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1.791.291.250 C-Bills (StratOps: 2,850 mil)
Battle Value:      5.758
Cost per BV:       311.096,08
Weapon Value:      1.627 (Ratio = ,28)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 99;  MRV = 0;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 32.353
                   (14.555 Structure, 14.948 Life Support, 2.850 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 35.113  (109% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


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Class/Model/Name:  Monarch (Naval C³)
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3115
Vessel Type:       Aerodyne DropShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              5.000 tons
Length:            169 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (IS)
Safe Thrust:       7
Maximum Thrust:    11
Armor Type:        Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:         
   36 AMS(C)
    5 Rotary AC/5(C)*
    2 Screen Launcher (IS)
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Class/Model/Name:  Monarch (Naval C³)
Mass:              5.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                        2.275,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 7
      Maximum Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity: 55                                             1.375,00
Total Heat Sinks:    43 Double                                           6,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                     419,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                 38,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Armor Type:  Heavy Ferro-Aluminum  (5.130 total armor pts)                   247,50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1.627
   Left/Right Wings:               1.301/1.301
   Aft:                                 901

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                       13,50

Escape Pods:  2 (7 tons each)                                           14,00

Crew and Passengers:
      2 Officers (2 minimum)                                            20,00
      2 Crew (2 minimum)                                                14,00
      9 Gunners (9 minimum)                                             63,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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6 AMS(C)(192 rounds)       Nose        --     --     --     --    6     11,00
4 Rotary AC/5(C)*(320 roundNose     8(80)  8(80)  8(80)     --   24     56,00
1 Screen Launcher (IS)(10 sNose        --     --     --     --   10    140,00
6 AMS(C)(192 rounds)       L/RW        --     --     --     --   12     22,00
6 AMS(C)(192 rounds)       L/RW(A)     --     --     --     --   12     22,00
6 AMS(C)(192 rounds)       Aft         --     --     --     --    6     11,00
1 Screen Launcher (IS)(10 sAft         --     --     --     --   10    140,00
1 Rotary AC/5(C)*(60 roundsAft      2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --    6     13,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                               50,00
1 Naval C³                                                              50,00
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TOTALS:                                               Heat: 86       5.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        947.921.040 C-Bills
Battle Value:      17.509
Cost per BV:       54.139,07
Weapon Value:      12.971 (Ratio = ,74)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 257;  MRV = 72;  LRV = 28;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 165.638
                   (138.128 Structure, 23.400 Life Support, 4.110 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 14.518  (9% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 86 / 85
                   Damage PB/M/L: 8/8/8,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: DM;  Point Value: 175


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Class/Model/Name:  Kriegswalküre (PWS)
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3090
Vessel Type:       Spheroid DropShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              49.000 tons
Length:            189 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:         
   21 Kraken-T
    1 Killer Whale-T
    2 Screen Launcher
   20 ELRM-20*
   10 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*
   12 V-S Laser Large*
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Class/Model/Name:  Kriegswalküre (PWS)
Mass:              49.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                        9.555,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Structural Integrity: 90                                             8.820,00
Total Heat Sinks:    715 Double                                        461,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                     510,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                368,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                482,00
Armor Type:  Heavy Ferro-Aluminum  (4.378 total armor pts)                   324,00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1.251
   Left/Right Sides:               1.101/1.101
   Aft:                                 925

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Cargo (1) with 1 door                                        33,00

Escape Pods:  10 (7 tons each)                                          70,00

Crew and Passengers:
      9 Officers (9 minimum)                                            90,00
      6 Crew (5 minimum)                                                42,00
     35 Gunners (31 minimum)                                           245,00
      6 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                         42,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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7 Kraken-T(70 msls)        Nose        70     70     70     70  350  8.540,00
7 Kraken-T(70 msls)        Nose        70     70     70     70  350  8.540,00
7 Kraken-T(70 msls)        Nose        70     70     70     70  350  8.540,00
1 Killer Whale-T(10 msls)  Nose         4      4      4      4   20    660,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Nose        --     --     --     --   10    140,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   80    208,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rFL/R     4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    8    112,00
3 V-S Laser Large*         FL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   60     54,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     AL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   80    208,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rAL/R     4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    8    112,00
2 V-S Laser Large*         AL/R     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   40     36,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Aft         --     --     --     --   10    140,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   40    104,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rAft      4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    4     56,00
2 V-S Laser Large*         Aft      2(20)  2(20)     --     --   20     18,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                              490,00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                            Heat: 1.430      49.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        2.425.752.000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      91.965
Cost per BV:       26.376,9
Weapon Value:      42.468 (Ratio = ,46)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 2.503;  MRV = 2.404;  LRV = 1.676;  ERV = 619
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1.137.607
                   (886.004 Structure, 50.575 Life Support, 201.028 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 58.633  (5% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      MP: 3,  Armor/Structure: 73 / 73
                   Damage PB/M/L: 24/24/18,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: DL;  Point Value: 920
                   Specials: sph


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Class/Model/Name:  Kriegswalküre (ASF)
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3090
Vessel Type:       Spheroid DropShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              49.000 tons
Length:            189 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:         
    2 Screen Launcher
   24 ELRM-20*
   12 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*
   15 V-S Laser Large*
   36 AMS
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Kriegswalküre (ASF)
Mass:              49.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                        9.555,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Structural Integrity: 40                                             3.920,00
Total Heat Sinks:    254 Double                                           ,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                     510,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                368,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                 95,00
Armor Type:  Heavy Ferro-Aluminum  (1.946 total armor pts)                   144,00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                533
   Left/Right Sides:                 501/501
   Aft:                                 411

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Cargo (1) with 4 doors                                    4.632,00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (2) with 1 door                                 400,00
   Bay 3:  Fighters (45) with 8 doors                                6.750,00
   Bay 4:  Fighters (45) with 8 doors                                6.750,00
   Bay 5:  Fighters (45) with 8 doors                                6.750,00
   Bay 6:  Fighters (45) with 8 doors                                6.750,00

Escape Pods:  10 (7 tons each)                                          70,00

Crew and Passengers:
      5 Officers (5 minimum)                                            50,00
     10 Crew (9 minimum)                                                70,00
     17 Gunners (17 minimum)                                           119,00
     16 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        112,00
    370 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Nose        --     --     --     --   10    140,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   40    104,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rNose     4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    4     56,00
3 V-S Laser Large*         Nose     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   30     27,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          Nose        --     --     --     --    6     15,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   80    208,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rFL/R     4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    8    112,00
3 V-S Laser Large*         FL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   60     54,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          FL/R        --     --     --     --   12     30,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     AL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   80    208,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rAL/R     4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    8    112,00
2 V-S Laser Large*         AL/R     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   40     36,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          AL/R        --     --     --     --   12     30,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Aft         --     --     --     --   10    140,00
4 ELRM-20*(128 rounds)     Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   40    104,00
2 I-Heavy Gauss Rifle*(64 rAft      4(44)  4(44)  4(44)     --    4     56,00
2 V-S Laser Large*         Aft      2(20)  2(20)     --     --   20     18,00
6 AMS(144 rounds)          Aft         --     --     --     --    6     15,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                              490,00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                              Heat: 470      49.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1.888.544.000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      24.765
Cost per BV:       76.258,59
Weapon Value:      14.509 (Ratio = ,59)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 755;  MRV = 536;  LRV = 156;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 505.038
                   (423.270 Structure, 68.675 Life Support, 13.093 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 35.901  (7% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      MP: 3,  Armor/Structure: 33 / 32
                   Damage PB/M/L: 24/24/18,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: DL;  Point Value: 248
                   Specials: sph


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Class/Model/Name:  Walküre (Cargo)
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3090
Vessel Type:       Spheroid DropShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              49.000 tons
Length:            189 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (IS)
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:         
   24 ELRM-20(IS)*
   24 LB 10-X AC(IS)
   24 AMS(IS)
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Class/Model/Name:  Walküre (Cargo)
Mass:              49.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                        9.555,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Structural Integrity: 40                                             3.920,00
Total Heat Sinks:    254 Double                                           ,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                     510,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                368,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Armor Type:  Heavy Ferro-Aluminum  (1.946 total armor pts)                   144,00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                556
   Left/Right Sides:                 486/486
   Aft:                                 418

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Cargo (1) with 8 doors                                   32.411,00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (2) with 1 door                                 400,00

Escape Pods:  6 (7 tons each)                                           42,00

Crew and Passengers:
      4 Officers (4 minimum)                                            40,00
     10 Crew (10 minimum)                                               70,00
     12 Gunners (12 minimum)                                            84,00
     10 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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4 ELRM-20(IS)*(100 rounds) Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   40     97,00
4 LB 10-X AC(IS)(100 roundsNose     2(24)  2(24)     --     --    8     54,00
4 AMS(IS)(96 rounds)       Nose        --     --     --     --    4     10,00
4 ELRM-20(IS)*(100 rounds) FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   80    194,00
4 LB 10-X AC(IS)(100 roundsFL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   16    108,00
4 AMS(IS)(96 rounds)       FL/R        --     --     --     --    8     20,00
4 ELRM-20(IS)*(100 rounds) AL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   80    194,00
4 LB 10-X AC(IS)(100 roundsAL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   16    108,00
4 AMS(IS)(96 rounds)       AL/R        --     --     --     --    8     20,00
4 ELRM-20(IS)*(100 rounds) Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)  5(48)   40     97,00
4 LB 10-X AC(IS)(100 roundsAft      2(24)  2(24)     --     --    8     54,00
4 AMS(IS)(96 rounds)       Aft         --     --     --     --    4     10,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                              490,00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                              Heat: 312      49.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1.441.916.000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      17.802
Cost per BV:       80.997,42
Weapon Value:      13.067 (Ratio = ,73)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 462;  MRV = 312;  LRV = 83;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 456.799
                   (396.548 Structure, 49.575 Life Support, 10.676 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 29.036  (6% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      MP: 3,  Armor/Structure: 33 / 32
                   Damage PB/M/L: 14/14/10,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: DL;  Point Value: 178
                   Specials: sph


I spare you the tiny stuff.

The Eisensturm II is just the old Eisensturm with Laser-Reflective armor, fixed Blue Shield PFD and modernized configs, also incorporating ECM and BAPs.

Small Crafts are a) dedicated cargo hauler, b) modernized NL-42 battle taxi, c) dedicated AMS escort.

[CloaknDagger]

And here are my entries, they shouldn't be surprising. 7.5 Million tons is of course the weight of a 2.5 million ton ship + 50 100k dropships in collars.

Here's the big one itself.

Arguably, it's inefficient. Barely more armor than the 1.75 million ton warship above me, but I think this one makes up for it. It has the same 540 damage nose arrays the smaller ship, but instead of Gauss, it's HNPPCs. That means no ammo worries. And, coincidentally, 4 HNPPCs is the PERFECT number for those bracketing fire bonuses.  ;)

Adding to that devastating punch is a broadside of another 264 capital damage from HNPPCs, and an aft 262 damage of HNPPCs and a MNPPC.

What's interesting though is the other weaponry. Over 400 AMS cover the ships right and left and fore and aft arcs, giving 360 degree coverage of 100 AMS per arc. This is coupled with 20 screen launchers to provide additional defense.

Strangely, due to the arc layout, directly in front and behind the ship lies a blank spot in AMS and Screen coverage. A piddly 2 Laser AMS and 1 screen launcher in the nose, and 1 Laser AMS and 1 screen launcher in the rear cover those areas. However, directly broadside is a doubling of AMS coverage, where any missile would be forced to face 200 AMS at once.

To combat Aerospace, 8 SC/L-1s and 4 SC/L-3s cover each of the 4 side arcs. This armament was chosen over an armament of a more simple 100 ERPPCs due to it's much longer range and accuracy, and lower fire control weight, in comparison. The lasers can also be effective against any warships that find themselves coming too close to the behemoth, which was ultimately what lead to their placement.

18 ASF and 18 small craft provide bare minimum defense, but the bulk of the forces are carried by the attached dropships.

An advanced electronics package of Naval C3 and a large Naval Comm Scanner help establish superiority in the detection and accuracy department.

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Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   87 Heavy NPPC(IS)
    3 Laser AMS (C)
   24 Screen Launcher(IS)
  400 AMS (C)
   16 SCL/3-DS(IS)*
   32 SCL/1-DS(IS)*
    8 Large Pulse Laser (C)
    2 Medium NPPC(IS)
    1 Light NPPC(IS)
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Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      600,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              25,000.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 9)                                             155.00
Structural Integrity: 100                                          250,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    15,000 Double                                  13,860.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16,320.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                             15,489.00
Food & Water:  (514 days supply)                                     2,798.50
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Clan Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (5,560 total armor p       5,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1,023
   Fore-Left/Right:                  926/926
   Aft-Left/Right:                   926/926
   Aft:                                 833

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (18) with 2 doors                             3,600.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (18) with 2 doors                                2,700.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                   10,070.00

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 9:  (150-meter diameter)                               900.00
Life Boats:  200 (7 tons each)                                       1,400.00
Escape Pods:  200 (7 tons each)                                      1,400.00

Crew and Passengers:
    180 Officers (142 minimum)                                       1,800.00
    400 Crew (365 minimum)                                           2,800.00
    260 Gunners (231 minimum)                                        1,820.00
     12 1st Class Passengers                                           120.00
     70 Marines                                                        350.00
     40 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        280.00
    126 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
2 Laser AMS (C)            Nose        --     --     --     --   24      3.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    590.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  FL/R        --     --     --     --  200    940.00
5 Screen Launcher(IS)(250 sFL/R        --     --     --     --  100  5,400.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R        12     12     --     --  256  2,000.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
2 Large Pulse Laser (C)    FL/R     2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   40     24.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scL/RBS       --     --     --     --   20  1,180.00
1 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       24     24     24     24  450  6,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             270  3,600.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  AL/R        --     --     --     --  200    940.00
5 Screen Launcher(IS)(250 sAL/R        --     --     --     --  100  5,400.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R        12     12     --     --  256  2,000.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
2 Large Pulse Laser (C)    AL/R     2(20)  2(20)  2(20)     --   40     24.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         22     22     22     15  225  3,000.00
  1 Light NPPC(IS)                                              105  1,400.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    590.00
1 Laser AMS (C)            Aft         --     --     --     --   12      1.50
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.03%)                                           25,706.00
1 Naval C3                                                          40,489.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
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TOTALS:                                           Heat: 21,986   2,500,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        131,179,682,000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      326,318
Cost per BV:       401,999.53
Weapon Value:      284,213 (Ratio = .87)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 14,852;  MRV = 12,998;  LRV = 10,222;  ERV = 3,936
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,612,122
                   (283,201 Structure, 767,525 Life Support, 561,396 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,046,580  (65% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

Now for the dropships. The Dreadnought is a massive ship, allowing for unparallelled transportation ability. To that effect, it carries two super-massive dropships designed to work with it in a fleet action.

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Class/Model/Name:  Multi-Purpose Corvette MkV
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  2782
Vessel Type:       Spheroid DropShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              100,000 tons
Length:            200 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
    6 Screen Launcher(IS)
   72 SCL/1-DS(IS)*
   24 SCL/3-DS(IS)*
  120 AMS (C)
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Class/Model/Name:  Multi-Purpose Corvette MkV
Mass:              100,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       24,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Structural Integrity: 60                                            12,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    1,400 Double                                    1,203.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   2,856.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                750.00
Fire Control Computers:                                              4,842.00
Food & Water:  (284 days supply)                                       600.00
Armor Type:  Clan Ferro-aluminum  (2,054 total armor pts)              216.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                587
   Left/Right Sides:                 513/513
   Aft:                                 441

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (20) with 4 doors                             4,000.00
           Fighters (18) with 4 doors                                2,700.00
           Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                      244.00
   Bay 2:  Cargo (1) with 10 doors                                  18,000.00


Crew and Passengers:
     35 Officers (34 minimum)                                          350.00
     41 Crew (0 minimum)                                               287.00
    130 Gunners (122 minimum)                                          910.00
     50 Marines                                                        250.00
     30 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        210.00
    136 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    240.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Nose         4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Nose         4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Nose         4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Nose        12     12     --     --  128  1,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    Nose        --     --     --     --   20    100.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scFL/R        --     --     --     --   20    480.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R        12     12     --     --  256  2,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    FL/R        --     --     --     --   40    200.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scAL/R        --     --     --     --   20    480.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R        12     12     --     --  256  2,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    AL/R        --     --     --     --   40    200.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    240.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Aft          4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Aft          4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Aft          4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Aft         12     12     --     --  128  1,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    Aft         --     --     --     --   20    100.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%)                                            1,000.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
1 Naval C3                                                           5,842.00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 2,676     100,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        2,622,961,600 C-Bills
Battle Value:      47,863
Cost per BV:       54,801.45
Weapon Value:      19,210 (Ratio = .40)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 1,870;  MRV = 1,320;  LRV = 1,040;  ERV = 200
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,076,258
                   (974,598 Structure, 69,900 Life Support, 31,760 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 237,123  (22% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      MP: 4,  Armor/Structure: 34 / 34
                   Damage PB/M/L: 48/48/24,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: DL;  Point Value: 479
                   Specials: sph

The MkV Corvette serves as a corvette and destroyer hunter, which is a role it's Sub-Capital Lasers do well, quickly tearing through the generally light armor of such ships.

Additionally, quite a large amount of cargo is carried, in total, the fleet carries just over 900 kilotons in equipment. This allows for immense amount of travel without need for resupply.

20 small craft, 18 ASF, 6 screen launchers, and 120 AMS help protect the entire fleet from any nuclear warheads or other missiles.

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Class/Model/Name:  Multi-Purpose Corvette MkVI-C
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  2782
Vessel Type:       Spheroid DropShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              100,000 tons
Length:            200 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
    6 Screen Launcher(IS)
   24 SCL/1-DS(IS)*
   24 SCL/3-DS(IS)*
  120 AMS (C)
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Class/Model/Name:  Multi-Purpose Corvette MkVI-C
Mass:              100,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       24,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Structural Integrity: 60                                            12,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    1,400 Double                                    1,203.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   2,856.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                750.00
Fire Control Computers:                                              1,884.00
Food & Water:  (321 days supply)                                       860.00
Armor Type:  Clan Ferro-aluminum  (2,054 total armor pts)              216.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                587
   Left/Right Sides:                 513/513
   Aft:                                 441

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (20) with 4 doors                             4,000.00
           Fighters (36) with 8 doors                                5,400.00
           Fighters (36) with 8 doors                                5,400.00
           Fighters (18) with 4 doors                                2,700.00
   Bay 2:  Cargo (1) with 10 doors                                  18,000.00
           Cargo (1)                                                 2,510.00


Crew and Passengers:
     35 Officers (28 minimum)                                          350.00
     41 Crew (0 minimum)                                               287.00
    100 Gunners (74 minimum)                                           700.00
     50 Marines                                                        250.00
     30 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        210.00
    280 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    240.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Nose         4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Nose        12     12     --     --  128  1,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    Nose        --     --     --     --   20    100.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scFL/R        --     --     --     --   20    480.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   FL/R        12     12     --     --  256  2,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    FL/R        --     --     --     --   40    200.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scAL/R        --     --     --     --   20    480.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R         4      4      4     --  192  1,200.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   AL/R        12     12     --     --  256  2,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    AL/R        --     --     --     --   40    200.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(20 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    240.00
4 SCL/1-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Aft          4      4      4     --   96    600.00
4 SCL/3-DS(IS)*(40 msls)   Aft         12     12     --     --  128  1,000.00
20 AMS (C)(2160 rounds)    Aft         --     --     --     --   20    100.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.00%)                                            1,000.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
1 Naval C3                                                           2,884.00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 1,524     100,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        2,383,953,600 C-Bills
Battle Value:      38,700
Cost per BV:       61,600.87
Weapon Value:      15,530 (Ratio = .40)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 1,430;  MRV = 880;  LRV = 693;  ERV = 67
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,087,501
                   (985,421 Structure, 75,600 Life Support, 26,480 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 213,483  (20% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      MP: 4,  Armor/Structure: 34 / 34
                   Damage PB/M/L: 32/32/8,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: DL;  Point Value: 387
                   Specials: sph


The Mk VI-C trades some of the Sub-Capital Lasers on the MkV for a much larger ASF compliment. Taken as a whole, the battle group can carry over 2,700 ASF to assure strikecraft superiority, and missile defense safety.

Both types of dropships also employ Naval C3 and Large Naval-Comm Scanners. In addition, while still relatively light compared to much larger warships, they carry respectable armor for their weight.

[ABADDON]

Oh, so you adjusted the armament. ;)
Good thing though. IMO it is a tactical advantage to have that sledgehammer in the nose that no canon warship would have an answer to, neither in armament, nor in armor.
Of course this weakens your full broadside, but usually it shouldn't be necessary to use that anyways.

[ABADDON]

I allowed myself to add in another 250k tons for the Archon battleship and streamline things a little more.
Fully IS tech now as well. Without the want to sound cocky or anything, but in pure ship to ship combat, it would literally eat Leviathans.

And even the many Leviathans ASFs would have some issues with the 12 Hull Defense tanks and the well... 80 (!) Piranha launchers.
No more AMS, no more nukes, but I usually rather avoid the doubled Fire Control tons and go for all armor, all firepower as a true battleship should.
Besides that the broadside can now also reach out to extreme range due to the added heavy N-Gauss. Same applies for the rear. And the bow has received another heavy N-Gauss for 570 points of capital scale damage over extreme range.
I think this is as good as it gets in terms of ship-to-ship brutality for your C-Bill (I'm too lazy to calculate it again after Strat Ops, but since the 1.750.000 ton version cost ~25.2 billion, I guess that this one would still be well under 30 billion).

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Class/Model/Name:  Archon II (Battleship)
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3120
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2.000.000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1.416 meters
Sail Diameter:     1.562 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   25 Heavy N-Gauss
    4 Screen Launcher
   40 NAC/30
   80 Piranha*
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Class/Model/Name:  Archon II (Battleship)
Mass:              2.000.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      360.000,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 38)               905.000,00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              20.000,00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 8)                                             130,00
Structural Integrity: 150                                          300.000,00
Total Heat Sinks:    2.605 Double                                    1.712,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16.320,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              5.000,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Food & Water:  (400 days supply)                                     1.678,00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (6.090 total armor pts)         6.000,00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1.111
   Fore-Left/Right:                1.001/1.001
   Aft-Left/Right:                 1.001/1.001
   Aft:                                 975

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (4) with 2 doors                                800,00
   Bay 2:  Heavy Vehicles (51-100T) (12) with 4 doors                1.200,00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 1 door                                       119,00

DropShip Capacity:  1 Docking Hardpoints                             1.000,00
Grav Decks #1 - 4:  (140-meter diameter)                               400,00
Escape Pods:  140 (7 tons each)                                        980,00

Crew and Passengers:
    105 Officers (104 minimum)                                       1.050,00
    360 Crew (340 minimum)                                           2.520,00
    150 Gunners (149 minimum)                                        1.050,00
    108 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        756,00
    116 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Nose        --     --     --     --   10    140,00
1 Heavy N-Gauss(50 rounds) Nose        30     30     30     30   18  7.025,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       FL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       FL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
14 Piranha*(140 msls)      FL/R        42     42     42     --  252  5.600,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)L/RBS       --     --     --     --   20    280,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)L/RBS       60     60     60     60   72 28.100,00
5 Piranha*(50 msls)        L/RBS       15     15     15     --   90  2.000,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       AL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       AL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
14 Piranha*(140 msls)      AL/R        42     42     42     --  252  5.600,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Aft         --     --     --     --   10    140,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Aft         60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
14 Piranha*(140 msls)      Aft         42     42     42     --  126  2.800,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                           20.000,00
1 Naval C³                                                          20.000,00
1 Large NCSS                                                           500,00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                            Heat: 5.210   2.000.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        17.184.364.000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      443.562
Cost per BV:       38.741,74
Weapon Value:      302.696 (Ratio = ,68)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 20.075;  MRV = 20.075;  LRV = 15.817;  ERV = 6.170
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1.343.826
                   (318.401 Structure, 492.450 Life Support, 532.975 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 709.005  (53% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


[CloaknDagger]

I allowed myself to add in another 250k tons for the Archon battleship and streamline things a little more.
Fully IS tech now as well. Without the want to sound cocky or anything, but in pure ship to ship combat, it would literally eat Leviathans.

And even the many Leviathans ASFs would have some issues with the 12 Hull Defense tanks and the well... 80 (!) Piranha launchers.
No more AMS, no more nukes, but I usually rather avoid the doubled Fire Control tons and go for all armor, all firepower as a true battleship should.
Besides that the broadside can now also reach out to extreme range due to the added heavy N-Gauss. Same applies for the rear. And the bow has received another heavy N-Gauss for 570 points of capital scale damage over extreme range.
I think this is as good as it gets in terms of ship-to-ship brutality for your C-Bill (I'm too lazy to calculate it again after Strat Ops, but since the 1.750.000 ton version cost ~25.2 billion, I guess that this one would still be well under 30 billion).

NO AMS?!

Um....

I think I see a problem in your strategy.

Of course it eats Leviathans for breakfast, it IS one, AND it devotes all of it's mass to the job.

And of course, you're still using NGauss. As I explained, HNPPCs let you bracket fire.

[sillybrit]

   Bay 2:  Heavy Vehicles (51-100T) (12) with 4 doors                1.200,00

Why?

[ABADDON]

A C³ company of Hull Defense tanks, mainly for the bow.

@missing AMS: Dunno, the armor should be more than able to take anything that's coming towards it. And those nasty tiny crit buggers... well there are dedicated AMS small craft... ;)

And nah, not really a Leviathan in its own right. Compare both ships, there are plenty of differences.
Though if you count in the ASF compartment, it might still be a very ugly battle for both sides. 300 ASFs are no joke.
And yes, I like N-Gauss. Also that thing needs something to "deserve" the designation "Archon".
With Naval C³ bracket fire shouldn't be necessary... but well, you never know how things work out. Guess the option to bracket fire wouldn't had hurt.

[CloaknDagger]

@missing AMS: Dunno, the armor should more than be able to take anything that's coming towards it. And those nasty tiny crit buggers... well there are dedicated AMS small craft... ;)

Hehehe.

It's a 2 million ton warship. You think everyone and their mother ISN'T going to be packing nukes?

[ABADDON]

Well, at the same time, no admiral in his or her mind would let this thing fly on its own without specialized support. :P
If you dont want to outsource the AMS job but keep it with the battleship, the amount of tons that you would need to for the fire control computers, especially since they would need to be doubled, is just so freakishly high that it is just not... economical to NOT outsource the job.

[CloaknDagger]

Well, at the same time, no admiral in his or her mind would let this thing fly on its own without specialized support. :P
If you dont want to outsource the AMS job but keep it with the battleship, the amount of tons that you would need to for the fire control computers, especially since they would need to be doubled, is just so freakishly high that it is just not... economical to NOT outsource the job.

I don't know, mine is only 25% bigger than yours, and it gets by with only about 30k in fire control.

[ABADDON]

Well.. "only" 31k tons... that's nine NAC30s right there. Sorry, I can't stand waste... :P

[CloaknDagger]

Well.. "only" 31k tons... that's nine NAC30s right there. Sorry, I can't stand waste... :P

9 NAC-30s that aren't going to be doing much of anything at extreme range, or without the necessary heat sinks, ammo, gunners, and extra supplies.

[ABADDON]

Fair enough, 8 NAC30s then and that still leaves over a lot tons for cargo.
But as I was saying in the other threat, most engagements will not take place over extreme range, but more likely in the long or even medium bracket. It's not like the NAC30 would never come into play. How do you think a Black Lion works? That thing is a beast among the canon ships.
But anyhow, the NAC30 example was just randomly picked to provide a measure of what could be exchanged for those 31k FC tons.

[CloaknDagger]

Fair enough, 8 NAC30s then and that still leaves over a lot tons for cargo.
But as I was saying in the other threat, most engagements will not take place over extreme range, but more likely in the long or even medium bracket. It's not like the NAC30 would never come into play. How do you think a Black Lion works? That thing is a beast among the canon ships.
But anyhow, the NAC30 example was just randomly picked to provide a measure of what could be exchanged for those 31k FC tons.

It works as well as you let it. As long as your ships have good speed and long range weaponry, there's no reason for you to need to close ranges. The only things getting close should be ASF.

[CloaknDagger]

Alright, here's a modified version of my Dreadnought. This one swaps the SC/Ls for an array of 4xNL-45s and 6xLarge Pulse Lasers in each of the 4 point defense arcs. It was done for similar reasons to the original ERPPCs to SC/L switch. This allows it to do even MORE damage at the extreme ranges it excels at, while still effectively combating aerospace. In fact, the pulse lasers mean that it's damage is actually increased against them in total.

Unfortunately, the 5 Screen Launchers per arc had to be reduced to just 3, but there were too many anyway. In addition, the cargo bay also took a hit, though because of the reliance on energy weapons, and the generous fuel and food allocation, it's not too big of a deal. Especially because of the attached dropships.

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Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   88 Heavy NPPC(IS)
  403 Laser AMS (C)
   16 Screen Launcher(IS)
   16 NL45(IS)
   48 Large Pulse Laser (C)
    2 Medium NPPC(IS)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      600,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              25,000.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 9)                                             155.00
Structural Integrity: 100                                          250,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    15,500 Double                                  14,360.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16,728.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                             18,689.00
Food & Water:  (439 days supply)                                     2,390.50
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Clan Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (5,560 total armor p       5,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1,023
   Fore-Left/Right:                  926/926
   Aft-Left/Right:                   926/926
   Aft:                                 833

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (18) with 2 doors                             3,600.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (18) with 2 doors                                2,700.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                    2,730.00

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 9:  (150-meter diameter)                               900.00
Life Boats:  200 (7 tons each)                                       1,400.00

Crew and Passengers:
    180 Officers (142 minimum)                                       1,800.00
    400 Crew (365 minimum)                                           2,800.00
    260 Gunners (198 minimum)                                        1,820.00
     12 1st Class Passengers                                           120.00
     70 Marines                                                        350.00
     40 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        280.00
    126 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
2 Laser AMS (C)            Nose        --     --     --     --   24      3.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    590.00
3 Screen Launcher(IS)(150 sFL/R        --     --     --     --   60  3,240.00
4 NL45(IS)                 FL/R        18     18     18     18  560  7,200.00
12 Large Pulse Laser (C)   FL/R   12(120)12(120)12(120)     --  240    144.00
100 Laser AMS (C)          FL/R        --     --     --     -- 2400    300.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scL/RBS       --     --     --     --   20  1,180.00
1 Heavy NPPC(IS)           L/RBS       24     24     24     24  450  6,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             270  3,600.00
3 Screen Launcher(IS)(150 sAL/R        --     --     --     --   60  3,240.00
12 Large Pulse Laser (C)   AL/R   12(120)12(120)12(120)     --  240    144.00
4 NL45(IS)                 AL/R        18     18     18     18  560  7,200.00
100 Laser AMS (C)          AL/R        --     --     --     -- 2400    300.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         30     30     30     30  450  6,000.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    590.00
1 Laser AMS (C)            Aft         --     --     --     --   12      1.50
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.03%)                                           25,706.00
1 Naval C3                                                          43,689.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                           Heat: 26,666   2,500,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        131,291,945,200 C-Bills
Battle Value:      327,020
Cost per BV:       401,479.86
Weapon Value:      291,029 (Ratio = .89)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 15,252;  MRV = 13,365;  LRV = 10,414;  ERV = 4,080
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,664,568
                   (283,127 Structure, 767,525 Life Support, 613,916 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,046,580  (63% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable



[ABADDON]

Doesn't make sense to have more than one Screen launcher per arc anyways ;)

[CloaknDagger]

Doesn't make sense to have more than one Screen launcher per arc anyways ;)

And why not? Maybe you want a 3 wide shield from fire? Maybe there's a bunch of aeros clustering when they shouldn't be?

[sillybrit]

A C³ company of Hull Defense tanks, mainly for the bow.

You do realize that if the WarShip expends any thrust, those tanks are going to go flying?

An additional problem is that their weapon range is only their own hex. Quite simply, ground units in space really suck.

You'd be better off spending the tonnage on some additional fighter bays.

[ABADDON]

Hm, to be honest... didn't think about the thrust issue... Was just inspired by the Hull Defense Partisan from XTRO Corporations. Didn't realize though that the canon unit didn't make any sense in the first place.

At the same time the 1-hex-range rule makes even less sense. Oo
Why would it matter whether a LB-X AC is fired from a tank on the hull or a mount on the hull? Makes no sense at all.

[CloaknDagger]

Hm, to be honest... didn't think about the thrust issue... Was just inspired by the Hull Defense Partisan from XTRO Corporations. Didn't realize though that the canon unit didn't make any sense in the first place.

At the same time the 1-hex-range rule makes even less sense. Oo
Why would it matter whether a LB-X AC is fired from a tank on the hull or a mount on the hull? Makes no sense at all.

It's obviously for Jumpships.

But even then it doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I came up another design. It has more firepower, more long range laser AAA, and it even uses the Gauss you like so much. Plus it has 300 AMS on the sides.

It's just that it has a REALLY weak broadside.

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Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought - G
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   14 Screen Launcher(IS)
    2 Laser AMS (C)
   22 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)
   60 NL55(IS)
   28 Heavy NPPC(IS)
    6 Medium NPPC(IS)
  600 AMS (C)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought - G
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      600,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              25,000.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 9)                                             155.00
Structural Integrity: 100                                          250,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    15,500 Double                                  14,360.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16,728.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                              1,170.00
Food & Water:  (440 days supply)                                     2,391.00
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Clan Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (5,560 total armor p       5,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1,023
   Fore-Left/Right:                  926/926
   Aft-Left/Right:                   926/926
   Aft:                                 833

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (18) with 2 doors                             3,600.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (18) with 2 doors                                2,700.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                    4,027.00

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 9:  (150-meter diameter)                               900.00
Life Boats:  200 (7 tons each)                                       1,400.00

Crew and Passengers:
    180 Officers (142 minimum)                                       1,800.00
    400 Crew (365 minimum)                                           2,800.00
    260 Gunners (231 minimum)                                        1,820.00
     12 1st Class Passengers                                           120.00
     70 Marines                                                        350.00
     40 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        280.00
    126 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(50 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    540.00
1 Laser AMS (C)            Nose        --     --     --     --   12      1.50
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(20 rounNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,010.00
5 NL55(IS)                 FL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
5 NL55(IS)                 FL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
5 NL55(IS)                 FL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           FL/R        69     69     69     69 1800 24,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             270  3,600.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  L/RBS       --     --     --     --  200    940.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  L/RBS       --     --     --     --  200    940.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  L/RBS       --     --     --     --  200    940.00
6 Screen Launcher(IS)(300 sL/RBS       --     --     --     --  120  6,480.00
5 NL55(IS)                 AL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
5 NL55(IS)                 AL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
5 NL55(IS)                 AL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           AL/R        69     69     69     69 1800 24,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             270  3,600.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(50 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    540.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         69     69     69     69  900 12,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             135  1,800.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         69     69     69     69  900 12,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             135  1,800.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouAft         60     60     60     60   36 14,100.00
1 Laser AMS (C)            Aft         --     --     --     --   12      1.50
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouAft         60     60     60     60   36 14,100.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.03%)                                           25,706.00
1 Naval C3                                                          26,170.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                           Heat: 13,370   2,500,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        132,538,575,200 C-Bills
Battle Value:      362,445
Cost per BV:       365,679.14
Weapon Value:      283,173 (Ratio = .78)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 16,179;  MRV = 13,420;  LRV = 10,573;  ERV = 4,236
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,642,465
                   (283,140 Structure, 767,525 Life Support, 591,800 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,046,580  (64% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


[ABADDON]

Well, even Jumpships expend 0.1G of thrust.

[CloaknDagger]

Oh my. I did something very, very, very bad. I take back all my previous craft. This one is the best by far.

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Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought - H
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   19 Laser AMS (C)
   14 Screen Launcher(IS)
    1 Heavy Mass Driver(IS)*
   43 NL55(IS)
   12 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)
   25 Heavy NPPC(IS)
    2 Medium NPPC(IS)
  600 AMS (C)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought - H
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      600,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              25,000.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 9)                                             155.00
Structural Integrity: 100                                          250,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    15,500 Double                                  14,360.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16,728.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                              1,170.00
Food & Water:  (440 days supply)                                     2,392.50
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Clan Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (5,560 total armor p       5,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1,023
   Fore-Left/Right:                  926/926
   Aft-Left/Right:                   926/926
   Aft:                                 833

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (18) with 2 doors                             3,600.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (18) with 2 doors                                2,700.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                    2,690.00

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 9:  (150-meter diameter)                               900.00
Life Boats:  180 (7 tons each)                                       1,260.00

Crew and Passengers:
    180 Officers (142 minimum)                                       1,800.00
    400 Crew (365 minimum)                                           2,800.00
    260 Gunners (201 minimum)                                        1,820.00
     12 1st Class Passengers                                           120.00
     70 Marines                                                        350.00
     40 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        280.00
    126 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
18 Laser AMS (C)           Nose        --     --     --     --  216     27.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    590.00
1 Heavy Mass Driver(IS)*(66Nose        30     30     30     --   90  5,940.00
5 NL55(IS)                 FL/R        28     28     28     28  850 11,000.00
4 NL55(IS)                 FL/R        22     22     22     22  680  8,800.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouFL/R        60     60     60     60   72 28,200.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouFL/R        60     60     60     60   72 28,200.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouFL/R        60     60     60     60   72 28,200.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           FL/R        69     69     69     69 1800 24,000.00
  1 Medium NPPC(IS)                                             270  3,600.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  L/RBS       --     --     --     --  200    940.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  L/RBS       --     --     --     --  200    940.00
100 AMS (C)(10080 rounds)  L/RBS       --     --     --     --  200    940.00
6 Screen Launcher(IS)(300 sL/RBS       --     --     --     --  120  6,480.00
4 NL55(IS)                 AL/R        22     22     22     22  680  8,800.00
4 NL55(IS)                 AL/R        22     22     22     22  680  8,800.00
4 NL55(IS)                 AL/R        22     22     22     22  680  8,800.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
1 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         15     15     15     15  225  3,000.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    590.00
1 Laser AMS (C)            Aft         --     --     --     --   12      1.50
1 NL55(IS)                 Aft          6      6      6      6   85  1,100.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.03%)                                           25,706.00
1 Naval C3                                                          26,170.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
1 Heavy Mass Driver                                                100,000.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                           Heat: 10,824   2,500,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        132,568,425,200 C-Bills
Battle Value:      322,562
Cost per BV:       410,985.87
Weapon Value:      217,459 (Ratio = .67)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 12,124;  MRV = 9,287;  LRV = 7,271;  ERV = 2,896
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,519,902
                   (283,127 Structure, 767,525 Life Support, 469,250 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,046,580  (69% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable



Well, even Jumpships expend 0.1G of thrust.

I'm having trouble finding the reference he's mentioning. Or hull hugging in general. Which book/page is it on?

[ABADDON]

I'm having trouble finding the reference he's mentioning. Or hull hugging in general. Which book/page is it on?

StratOps. Checking for the mentioned rule, no luck yet.

[CloaknDagger]

You don't like my ship? I bet it could beat yours.  }:)

StratOps. Checking for the mentioned rule, no luck yet.

What he said about the one hex thing is true, plus they have +4 to hit aeros, but landed things don't necessarily fall off.

Control Rolls: If the target aerospace unit makes a Control Roll,
as the result of damage or high-thrust maneuvering, the landed
ground unit must do so also, applying all landing modifi ers apart
from No Fuel (see p. 25). Failure indicates that the ground unit has been thrown off the hull of the aerospace unit, traveling in the same direction and velocity as the aerospace unit when it was thrown. Provided the unit still has reaction mass (fuel), it may maneuver normally in the following turn (see Movement, p. 24).

[ABADDON]

No, I was still looking for the rule. Found yours as well. That one here is also interesting.

In Space: The landed Element is automatically displaced if any
of the following apply:
• The hull Element slows to a stop or doubles its velocity in one
Space Movement Phase.

[CloaknDagger]

No, I was still looking for the rule. Found yours as well. That one here is also interesting.

Yes. But if that happens, you can just try to land again. And stopping or doubling your velocity in one turn? That means the ship was already almost at a standstill. In a fight, the ships are probably not going to do that.

Plus, tanks are dumb. Mechs with Talons or claws get a -1 to landing. Mechs with BOTH get -2.

[ABADDON]

Interesting way to implement a heavy mass driver into HMA.
But if that is what you were placing your hopes on, have a closer look at its limitations. The Mass Drivers are pretty much crap for ship-to-ship combat. ;)
And it seems like you also included the possibility for a runaway move, as proposed with the "Bully" in the other thread. ;)

[CloaknDagger]

Interesting way to implement a heavy mass driver into HMA.

HMA blows up any other way.

But if that is what you were placing your hopes on, have a closer look at its limitations. The Mass Drivers are pretty much crap for ship-to-ship combat. ;)

That's what you would THINK. But, take a look at my arcs. AMS has a range of one. That means you need AMS in each arc to cover that side. But, broadside covers TWO areas, those used by left and right aft and fore. So I spammed the broadside up with AMS. Any missiles trying to hit there are dead. But I still need regular weapons.

Of course, THOSE go in the fore/aft left/right. But take a look at their arcs. Putting them all there leaves me with a big hole directly fore and aft.

So I put a Heavy Mass Driver in the front, and suddenly nobody even thinks for a second of attacking that area.

Long range, the hole isn't much of a problem. Even the slightest maneuvering switches it to fore left/right, especially at long range.

Plus, the extra weight saved on no Fire Control went to giving me a bunch of NL-55 all around. Good luck not getting vaporized from long distance Aeros. Plus they're decent weapons by themselves.

Oh, and Naval C3. Either it can fire at short range, or it just gets -1 to hit, depending on the rules you use.

See what I did now?

And it seems like you also included the possibility for a runaway move, as proposed with the "Bully" in the other thread. ;)

I needed to, literally, cover my ass. The rear arc still only has 1 AMS. And the lasers can't hit there.

Plus, it converges well with the aft left/right NL-55s.

Yes, directly to the rear still has inadequate ASF coverage, but, that's what the HNPPCs are for.

I call it the trench run.

[ABADDON]

Weird concept, but interesting thoughts. Though I doubt that this approach would give you the upper edge, as proclaimed. ;)

Gotta hit the sack. Later.

[CloaknDagger]

Weird concept, but interesting thoughts. Though I doubt that this approach would give you the upper edge, as proclaimed. ;)

You would try charging straight at the nose?

[sillybrit]

What he said about the one hex thing is true, plus they have +4 to hit aeros, but landed things don't necessarily fall off.

The rules you're looking for are on p120 of the corrected 2nd printing:

"In any turn a unit moves, it must make a Piloting Skill Roll. If it fails, it comes off the hull."
"If the Aerospace unit changes heading or velocity all units on the hull must make a Piloting Skill Roll."
"Any unit that fails a Piloting Skill Roll is removed from the playing field. It has lost its hold on the hull and floats away. It must make a new landing attempt."

However, there's also been another addition that may help the Partisan: a ship may be designed with tracks, to allow tracked vehicles to move around the hull on those tracks. The addition doesn't make clear whether the tracked vehicle are subject to being thrown off or not.

Obviously, they all still suck because of the range issue, which hasn't been changed.

[ABADDON]

And doesn't make any sense from a logical PoV. I mean, why would the same weapon have greatly decreased range, just because it's not mounted on the hull, but a tank? So it would more be for fluff-reasons to keep them then, I guess (Or swap them for 6 ASF and some cargo, which would probably be a more flexible line of defense for the nose).

But those tracks on the hull, how would that work? Like a quirk?


@cloak: No, not "charging". Tactic wouldn't change. Just sit around and throw 570 points of capital damage at you. Then see how you react. If you decide to charge in with a high speed pass or anything, there are those NAC30 more then happy to step up to the challenge. ;)
If you wanted to use that Mass Driver, you would need to be directly facing the strongest arc in terms of weapons and armor... with a +2 for TN. I dunno... don't think the odds would have changed for the better actually. Before, where you also had that 500 something nose, it would have been a matter of luck. Now? Not so much, I guess. Trust me, Mass Drivers suck.

[CloaknDagger]

And doesn't make any sense from a logical PoV. I mean, why would the same weapon have greatly decreased range, just because it's not mounted on the hull, but a tank? So it would more be for fluff-reasons to keep them then, I guess (Or swap them for 6 ASF and some cargo, which would probably be a more flexible line of defense for the nose).

But those tracks on the hull, how would that work? Like a quirk?

The point is to prevent boarding by the enemy. If battlemechs/tanks/BA land on you, they can fight like a normal ground map.

Remember: 1 Space turn = 6 Ground turns

If you aren't there to fight them, they get free shots at your engines and bridge.

@cloak: No, not "charging". Tactic wouldn't change. Just sit around and throw 570 points of capital damage at you. Then see how you react. If you decide to charge in with a high speed pass or anything, there are those NAC30 more then happy to step up to the challenge. ;)

Ideally, it would be against your engines.

If you wanted to use that Mass Driver, you would need to be directly facing the strongest arc in terms of weapons and armor... with a +2 for TN. I dunno... don't think the odds would have changed for the better actually. Before, where you also had that 500 something nose, it would have been a matter of luck. Now? Not so much, I guess. Trust me, Mass Drivers suck.

The +2 sounds bad until you remember the Naval C3. Plus, it's the only weapon bar a capital missile or medium mass driver that can threshold Dreadnoughts.

Plus, don't forget, to get in the front arc, you have to go through the fore left/right unless I just straight close on you. The mass driver might well be the last hit you take.

[ABADDON]

With 570 in the nose anything else but sit (maybe not literally, to avoid the TN bonus for the opponent) and shoot at you would be ******. Naval C³ would be there as well as long as the spotter doesn't get to close to be shut down. Without bracket fire, which Heavy Gauss obviously can't do, there will always be 100% damage, as soon as the bays hit. With the sledgehammer nose, the only tactic is to sit, rain thunder, see if anything's left standing after 1-2 salvos and how that is gonna react (close, roll, turn etc). You talk about "may be very well the last shot the ship takes". There is no reason to act like you implied/predicted.

[CloaknDagger]

With 570 in the nose anything else but sit and shoot at you would be ******. Naval C³ would be there as well as long as the spotter doesn't get to close to be shut down. Without bracket fire, which Heavy Gauss obviously can't do, there will always be 100% damage, as soon as the bays hit. With the sledgehammer nose, the only tactic is to sit, rain thunder, see if anything's left standing after 1-2 salvos and how that is gonna react (close, roll, turn etc). You talk about "may be very well the last shot the ship takes". There is no reason to act like you implied/predicted.

Hm...

You right. So the HMD isn't the best weapon in space combat. I keep getting stuck on the 10 weapons it counts as, and the reduced accuracy. For 100k tons HNGauss and HNPPCs are a much better option.

Oh well. You win this round.

[ABADDON]

And again, concerning the Mass Driver. That thing weighs 100k tons, which equal 7 and something Hevy NGauss, which in return would equal 210 capital damage. That's more than double the damage of a Heavy Mass Driver at much increased accuracy and flexibility.
Your only missing out on thresholding a Leviathan.

As long as you don't wanna kill off whole planets, the Mass Driver is just a shite tool for ship-to-ship combat.

[ABADDON]

Hm...

You right. So the HMD isn't the best weapon in space combat. I keep getting stuck on the 10 weapons it counts as, and the reduced accuracy. For 100k tons HNGauss and HNPPCs are a much better option.

Oh well. You win this round.

Hehe, well... I though about this kind of battleship approach for quite some time. Didn't come up with a better solution as of yet :P

Heavy nose power over extreme range with enough armor to avoid being thresholded by basically anything, still heavy enough armament at the full broadsides to kill most things that dare closing in.

Though one should avoid exposing one's own butt. There isn't too much to shoot back with compared to the rest of the ship.

[CloaknDagger]

Hehe, well... I though about this kind of battleship approach for quite some time. Didn't come up with a better solution as of yet :P

Heavy nose power over extreme range with enough armor to avoid being thresholded by basically anything, still heavy enough armament at the full broadsides to kill most things that dare closing in.

Though one should avoid exposing one's own butt. There isn't too much to shoot back with compared to the rest of the ship.

In that case the only hope it to get a one shot kill.

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Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought - W
Tech:              Mixed Tech  /  3067
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2,500,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1 meters
Power Plant:       Standard (C)
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   74 Heavy NPPC(IS)
  603 Laser AMS (C)
   14 Screen Launcher(IS)
    4 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)
    8 NL55(IS)
   24 Large Pulse Laser (C)
    8 NL45(IS)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Dreadnought - W
Mass:              2,500,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      600,000.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 47)             1,131,250.00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              25,000.00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 9)                                             155.00
Structural Integrity: 100                                          250,000.00
Total Heat Sinks:    15,500 Double                                  14,360.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  16,728.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              6,250.00
Fire Control Computers:                                             38,879.00
Food & Water:  (439 days supply)                                     2,390.50
Hyperpulse Generator:                                                   50.00
Armor Type:  Clan Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (5,560 total armor p       5,000.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1,023
   Fore-Left/Right:                  926/926
   Aft-Left/Right:                   926/926
   Aft:                                 833

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (18) with 2 doors                             3,600.00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (18) with 2 doors                                2,700.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                    2,730.00

DropShip Capacity:  50 Docking Hardpoints                           50,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 9:  (150-meter diameter)                               900.00
Life Boats:  200 (7 tons each)                                       1,400.00

Crew and Passengers:
    180 Officers (142 minimum)                                       1,800.00
    400 Crew (365 minimum)                                           2,800.00
    260 Gunners (213 minimum)                                        1,820.00
     12 1st Class Passengers                                           120.00
     70 Marines                                                        350.00
     40 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        280.00
    126 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
2 Laser AMS (C)            Nose        --     --     --     --   24      3.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scNose        --     --     --     --   10    590.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Nose        60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,100.00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(IS)(200 rouNose        60     60     60     60   36 14,100.00
4 NL55(IS)                 FL/R        22     22     22     22  680  8,800.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           FL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           FL/R        60     60     60     60 1800 24,000.00
6 Screen Launcher(IS)(120 sL/RBS       --     --     --     --  120  2,880.00
100 Laser AMS (C)          L/RBS       --     --     --     -- 2400    300.00
100 Laser AMS (C)          L/RBS       --     --     --     -- 2400    300.00
100 Laser AMS (C)          L/RBS       --     --     --     -- 2400    300.00
12 Large Pulse Laser (C)   AL/R   12(120)12(120)12(120)     --  240    144.00
4 NL45(IS)                 AL/R        18     18     18     18  560  7,200.00
4 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         60     60     60     60  900 12,000.00
2 Heavy NPPC(IS)           Aft         30     30     30     30  450  6,000.00
1 Screen Launcher(IS)(55 scAft         --     --     --     --   10    590.00
1 Laser AMS (C)            Aft         --     --     --     --   12      1.50
1 Lot Spare Parts (1.03%)                                           25,706.00
1 Naval C3                                                          43,689.00
1 Large Naval-Comm Scanner                                             500.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                           Heat: 25,578   2,499,766.00
Tons Left:                                                             234.00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        131,539,545,200 C-Bills
Battle Value:      330,999
Cost per BV:       397,401.64
Weapon Value:      291,221 (Ratio = .88)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 15,012;  MRV = 12,228;  LRV = 9,577;  ERV = 3,791
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1,652,200
                   (283,127 Structure, 767,525 Life Support, 601,548 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 1,046,580  (63% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable



[ABADDON]

No, one shot kill should be impossible, even with a nose like that. As I was stating earlier, when you adapted the sledgehammer nose, it would be an interesting battle, one that would depend a lot on luck for both sides.
Even though, if you bring complements, you would probably win. But that is neglecting the fact that your attempt still weighs 500k more and probably costs more than 10 times under stratOps calculation (not even counting the complements themselves) ;)

[CloaknDagger]

No, one shot kill should be impossible, even with a nose like that. As I was stating earlier, when you adapted the sledgehammer nose, it would be an interesting battle, one that would depend a lot on luck for both sides.
Even though, if you bring complements, you would probably win. But that is neglecting the fact that you attempt still weighs 500k more and probably costs more than 10 times under stratOps calculation (not even counting the complements themselves) ;)

Come to think of it, that's probably why Interstellar Ops is taking so long. They need to overhaul the BT economy. It's just so messed up right now.

[ABADDON]

So, this is my final take.
Swapped the Hull Defense tanks for a squadron of ASF that are supposed to cover the nose arc against hostile ASF, as suggested by sillybrit. Sine the ASF compartment is not intended for attack missions the 444 tons of cargo for them plus the little extra in their cubicles should be sufficient.
Reduced the fuel storage a little, as well as the consumables. I guess a full year is still very much okay instead of 400 days.
Allowed me to bring the "secondary" armament to a maximum with now 90 Piranha launchers.
The only spot left that I would consider "weak" or rather subpar, is the butt. But if this thing has ever something on its tail, something must have gone horribly wrong prior to that.
The accompanying dropship would function as a Naval C³ spotter (aerodyne at ~8.500 tons, heavily armored and very fast, also small craft carrier).
With the two small craft in the warships belly that would make 6 to 8 specialized AMS small craft dedicated to the warships missile defense.
I consider that to be the pinnacle up to the 2 mil tons mark. I wouldn't know how one could still improve upon this without raising the tons and the price tag.

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Class/Model/Name:  Archon (Mk IV) [Battleship]
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3122
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              2.000.000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            1.500 meters
Sail Diameter:     1.562 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Lamellor Ferro-carbide
Armament:         
   25 Heavy N-Gauss
    4 Screen Launcher
   40 NAC/30
   90 Piranha*
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Archon (Mk IV) [Battleship] 
Mass:              2.000.000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass 
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                      360.000,00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 38)               905.000,00
Lithium Fusion Battery                                              20.000,00
Jump Sail: (Integrity = 8)                                             130,00
Structural Integrity: 150                                          300.000,00
Total Heat Sinks:    2.650 Double                                    1.757,00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14.535,00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:              5.000,00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   ,00
Food & Water:  (405 days supply)                                     1.568,00
Armor Type:  Lamellor Ferro-carbide  (6.090 total armor pts)         6.000,00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                              1.111
   Fore-Left/Right:                1.001/1.001
   Aft-Left/Right:                 1.001/1.001
   Aft:                                 975

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Small Craft (2) with 1 door                                 400,00
   Bay 2:  Fighters (6) with 2 doors                                   900,00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 1 door                                       444,00

DropShip Capacity:  1 Docking Hardpoints                             1.000,00
Grav Decks #1 - 4:  (140-meter diameter)                               400,00
Escape Pods:  140 (7 tons each)                                        980,00

Crew and Passengers:
    110 Officers (106 minimum)                                       1.100,00
    355 Crew (335 minimum)                                           2.485,00
    160 Gunners (159 minimum)                                        1.120,00
    128 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals                        896,00
     22 Bay Personnel                                                     ,00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Nose        60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
1 Heavy N-Gauss(50 rounds) Nose        30     30     30     30   18  7.025,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Nose        --     --     --     --   10    140,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       FL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       FL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
16 Piranha*(160 msls)      FL/R        48     48     48     --  288  6.400,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)L/RBS       --     --     --     --   20    280,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       L/RBS       60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)L/RBS       60     60     60     60   72 28.100,00
5 Piranha*(50 msls)        L/RBS       15     15     15     --   90  2.000,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       AL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
2 NAC/30(100 rounds)       AL/R        60     60     60     --  400 14.160,00
16 Piranha*(160 msls)      AL/R        48     48     48     --  288  6.400,00
1 Screen Launcher(10 scrns)Aft         --     --     --     --   10    140,00
2 Heavy N-Gauss(100 rounds)Aft         60     60     60     60   36 14.050,00
16 Piranha*(160 msls)      Aft         48     48     48     --  144  3.200,00
1 Lot Spare Parts (1,00%)                                           20.000,00
1 Naval C³                                                          20.000,00
1 Large NCSS                                                           500,00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 5.300   2.000.000,00
Tons Left:                                                                ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        17.187.964.000 C-Bills
Battle Value:      446.203
Cost per BV:       38.520,5
Weapon Value:      304.391 (Ratio = ,68)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 20.350;  MRV = 20.350;  LRV = 16.033;  ERV = 6.253
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 1.347.279
                   (317.704 Structure, 489.250 Life Support, 540.325 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 727.570  (54% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable


[truetanker]

ABADDON:

Try replacing a bay of R/L Aft NAC/30's for similar bay of SCL/3's? And maybe apply a bay or two of the same in the Aft as well for more firepower?

Also if you have any tonnge leftover, maybe drop the single HNG bay for a pair of LNG?

Just thoughts...

Also one more thing, can I use canon designs instead of custom for this?

TT

[ABADDON]

Each of your suggested changes would force doubled (because of the NC³) tons for firecontrol computers, where right now there are none.
Also the SCL3s have inferior range compared to the NAC30s. I'm not quite seeing your point, to be honest.

[CloaknDagger]

Also one more thing, can I use canon designs instead of custom for this?

Of course.

But they're mostly terrible.