The *literally* Never-Seen

[beachhead1985]

Beachhead1985, the TRO Legends Website post has a link out to an archive of a site with many of the same thing you're looking for here. It was last updated in 2000 so quite a few have been filled in, but there may be some you're missing.

Do you have any idea how long I have been looking for this? Thank you.

Okay; I will add;

Florence AmbulanceMech
Gray Monday BA
Adder Lajos (and Phelan's even dumber Nova config, found on TRO: Legends)
Mobile HPG
Crusader; SLDF Jumping version (the same as had the Hawk Missile Systems, but otherwise similar to the 3L)

If I can get more info on the Hussar with the 2 MLs I will add that too.

[Frabby]

I challenge the "mobile HPG" - this is a piece of equipment and not a vehicle/unit. There is insufficient information to assume a regular vehicle for this, and given how rare and expensive HPGs are in the first place, I cannot imagine any standardized "HPG Carrier".

[RifleMech]

Actually, I can see the SLDF spending money on a Mobile HPG carrier. They have the money to do it and militarily it makes sense. I'm sure the SLDF would have their own HPGs right there on the base. That way, they don't have to "go into town" to access the civilian HPG com site. By having mobile HPG carries, not only would the SLDF have back ups in case the main HPG went down but they'd be used when the troops are out in the field. That way they don't have to risk sending messages back to the base and them being intercepted.

[beachhead1985]

BT has a pretty firm Chekov's Gun; if it can be done, then it already has in the historical sense or it will be in a future release.

[dgorsman]

SLDF mobile HPGs were likely mounted in regimental command DropShips rather than ground vehicles.  We already know they were mounted on WarShips.  Ground-mobile ones... maybe reserved for mobile HQs in Light horse regimental combat teams, or SAS groups?

[SteelRaven]

Well, the Society would later mount a HPG on a mech so the idea is not insane. It's hard to say considering how little vwe know about HPGs outside of ComStar's existing HPGs

[Talen5000]

I challenge the "mobile HPG" - this is a piece of equipment and not a vehicle/unit. There is insufficient information to assume a regular vehicle for this, and given how rare and expensive HPGs are in the first place, I cannot imagine any standardized "HPG Carrier".

They would have needed something to house and transport a Mobile HPG and that might be a trailer or a specialised vehicle.

I would surmise such a unit would have had lower bandwidth and shorter range, maybe even in system only, but I don't see any reason to rule out a vehicle based trsnsport.

[Wrangler]

Isn't mobile strictly in a Warship verses in like hidden base, and very small and removable? I remember Steel Vipers leaving in a base in the Periphery in a MechWarrior (non-dark age) novel.  Ghost of Winter by Stephen Kenson back in 99.  Good lord, that's now 20 years ago!

[truetanker]

A " Mobile " HPG weighs in @ 12 tons.

So if you happen to have a power source and some empty weight space...


Saladin ( Clan ) - really? Any Saladin that has it's AC and ammo removed...
Maxim ( Infantry ) - again, as is but with a HPG... and another Maxim Infantry for the support troops...
Cobra VTOL ( Original ) - the 14 ton cargo space version, both the Clans and Inner Sphere would have these...

TT

[dgorsman]

That's the ground-mobile one.  The mobile HPG is 50 tons.

[beachhead1985]

A " Mobile " HPG weighs in @ 12 tons.

So if you happen to have a power source and some empty weight space...


Saladin ( Clan ) - really? Any Saladin that has it's AC and ammo removed...
Maxim ( Infantry ) - again, as is but with a HPG... and another Maxim Infantry for the support troops...
Cobra VTOL ( Original ) - the 14 ton cargo space version, both the Clans and Inner Sphere would have these...

TT

It seems pretty doable a few ways; the issue is that it's something the fluff seems to suggest very strongly *must* exist, but doesn't. Any of those could have an appropriate variant. But we don't have an official sheet.

[Wrangler]

There was supposed to havee been a Shortlist armed a HPG during the Jihad.

[beachhead1985]

There was supposed to havee been a Shortlist armed a HPG during the Jihad.

Oh yeah! Apollyon's custom shootist with the HPG cannon, right?

And then someone else was said to have a mech-mounted Alamo launcher or some-such?

Never seen sheets for either; but again: custom rides.

[RifleMech]

I would expect larger spacecraft and large naval ships, and mobile structures would have the 50 ton mobile HPG while others would use the 12 ton ground mobile HPG. What the ground mobile HPG is mounted in I think would vary. An infantry unit could have a special Mobile HQ or trailer. A mech unit could have a mech carrying it and so on. Thinking about it I don't know why a Headquarters Lance wouldn't have one mech with a Collapsible Command Module and another mech with a ground mobile HPG.

I can also see why we don't know of any examples. They'd be priority targets, they'd run out of parts and trained personnel fast once the Succession Wars got going, and Comstar would cover up knowledge of them.

[Colt Ward]

But it is doable as an Adder. I know what you're talking about and I'd have loved to see that book edited in a new release to fix those errors.

However; with that much waste heat; is it not a suicide machine? Literally?

It could have been a Pouncer config as that might make more sense . . . but written as a Adder.  It would honestly be a design that lived for the advanced rule about dialing back or giving careful fire with a plan to run in, fire enough to generate some serious heat, and then jump away to heavy woods (or breaking LOS) to cool down- the Alpha button is what you punch when its do it or die.

[HyperionCormyr]

I would suspect that a 12 Ton Mobile Ground HPG would be for Regimental sized units or higher and mounted in a mobile HQ type unit (Probably paired with a second "Command HQ unit" and surrounded by at least a company of security-types.) and only have a range of "one system" (Meaning that it can send a message to an HPG in the closest system OR directly through the planetary HPG system without having to be dealt with by the ComStar folks at the compound which might still be in enemy territory.).

I would conversely be lead to believe the 50 tonner is too valuable to put on anything smaller than a Command Dropship where it would be protected by the ship's guns and could bypass the planetary net and send a message off much faster and further.

Additionally, I find the idea of a weaponized HPG amusing- suddenly the overwhelming onslaught of the WOB Warship is stopped cold by overwhelming the computer core by transmitting the entire historical catalog of every message that HPG Station has ever sent out.
"What do you mean you can't fire the guns Adept?"
"Well sir, every time I push the button to fire, I keep getting really bad poetry being sent to a publisher or Aunt Millie's recipe for peach cobbler- which might actually be worse than the Naval PPCs to be honest."

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

It's hard to get a targeting solution when your systems have been flooded with seven zetabytes of erotic images.

[dgorsman]

The weaponized HPG being used against a WarShip requires previous access to the ship's systems to install a virus (per Wars of Reaving) activated by, among other possibilities, a trigger hidden in an innocuous HPG message.  Otherwise they could just turn off the ship mounted system.

I don't think they've ever established any differences between the two models, aside from the number of operators (10 vs. 1).

[Wrangler]

I think and along with the Texas Class Battleship's invinicible shield during the Reaving was dropped and never detailed how it worked.

[Wolf72]

It's hard to get a targeting solution when your systems have been flooded with seven zetabytes of erotic images.

It's like Spaceballs have infiltrated ... the known galaxy will never be the same.

[HyperionCormyr]

Was the Valiant Regal sportster mentioned? Handbook: House Davion pg 175

[beachhead1985]

Was the Valiant Regal sportster mentioned? Handbook: House Davion pg 175

Seems not! Added!

[Wrangler]

Brush Wars Autocannon packing Thug.

Its Weird to me that artist though the Thug fired autocannons. If it was a retrofit, must be AC/10s right?

You certainly could do it if you reduced tonnage to 10.5 armor, 14 heat sinks, two ac/10s in arms and 2 mediums lasers.

In the League, i could see it happening due to shortage of PPCs....but why...desperation i guess. Armor more valuable on this thing.

[God and Davion]

Nice find :thumbsup: Also note the SRM4 is the right torso.

[Daryk]

The two cannons look different to me in the picture... maybe one AC/10 and one AC/5?  ???

[Luciora]

Looks more like what the Lyrans did with the Zeus to me, swapping the PPC for AC/5s, then downgrading the SRMs for some odd reason.  Maybe it adds more armor or jump jets to compensate?  Definitely lowers the heat burden.  Could work as a refit for a unit short on energy weapons.

[Sabelkatten]

Could replace just one PPC with an AC/5 or AC/10.

[Maingunnery]

Looks like an improvised repair job, everything about it looks to be in a bad state, even the armor plates look like poorly mounted second-hand plates.

[Wrangler]

I can definitely shoe horn 2 AC/10s and two medium lasers in that thing. I use the newly revised Solaris skunkworks to see if it was possible.

Maybe Large Laser/PPC combo as well.

[beachhead1985]

I like it! Art stuff like this is a great way to add more Never-Seens and it also makes a ton of SW-Era sense.