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Off Topic and Technical Support => Off Topic => Topic started by: Aokarasu on 25 November 2015, 02:10:20
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(A search for "The Expanse" yielded no results, so I don't think I've been roosterboyed.)
I watched the first episode on SyFy.com tonight, and it has me interested. Realistic flight physics for space, tensions between Earth, Mars, and the Belters. Interesting cast and crew so far.
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darn it I forgot all about it.
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Don't worry, it'll play at least 5 times before episode 2 airs.
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Theoretically you can watch it online, or at least that's what their website says...
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Theoretically you can watch it online, or at least that's what their website says...
That's how I watched it tonight - no commercials, even!
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If they follow the novel series, it should be rather good. Sadly, I imagine there will have to be a lot of changes, but I'm willing to give it a shot. (Note: novels begin with 'Leviathan Wakes')
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Did they pull this forward on the schedule? My reminder for it doesn't go off for another week? It was slated for December.
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Read the first two books, and they were very good - must hunt down the others, and the series (if can be seen in Aus.)
W.
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Says it's available On Demand right now.
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Well considering I saw a ad on USA Network that WWE Smackdown is going to USA in January, I'm happy that wrestling is moving off SyFy.
Now if they could just change the name back...
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Did they pull this forward on the schedule? My reminder for it doesn't go off for another week? It was slated for December.
Episode 1 is on syfy.com right now, episodes 1 and 2 have their TV premieres on the 14th and 15th of December respectively, IIRC.
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Thanks.
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I'm confused by the totally unnecessary change of Holden to second officer of the Cant, rather than XO.
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I'm confused by the totally unnecessary change of Holden to second officer of the Cant, rather than XO.
He was already 2nd officer. When the previous XO went space buggy, the captain offered him the XO position.
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He was already 2nd officer. When the previous XO went space buggy, the captain offered him the XO position.
Yes. But in the book he was already XO. Why create a brand new character, seen for all of a minute and a half, just to end up right where you were supposed to be?
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I've read Up to Nemesis Games... But I'm worried after seeing the cast that Amos is too young & pretty...
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I mean, he looks low bloody Jonny Rico from starship troopers... Grr.
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Yeah, I always pictured Amos as taller and much brawnier. But I guess TV has to appeal to fickle, appearance based viewers only. Heh, I kid.
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Yes. But in the book he was already XO. Why create a brand new character, seen for all of a minute and a half, just to end up right where you were supposed to be?
Ah, your post didn't put it in that context. Having not read the book, I don't know.
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The books are pretty awesome, i love the Noir Dead space feeling of the first one. Really hoping they capture that.
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I'm confused by the totally unnecessary change of Holden to second officer of the Cant, rather than XO.
Maybe to further emphasize that he's not interested at all in responsibility? Dunno either.
The cast isn't at all how I pictured them in my mind, but that's fine. I did think of Amos as a bit burlier.
The books are worth reading, though Nemesis Games was an odd one. Seemed like an Interlude despite the rather high impact events in it. Next one's out in June, so it'll be a while.
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Yes. But in the book he was already XO. Why create a brand new character, seen for all of a minute and a half, just to end up right where you were supposed to be?
Why not?
It created a context, with how earthers can get "space sickness" and longing for terra firma.
Any show that try to translate literally from book to the small screen is doomed to be a disaster.
I felt it was fitting, it fleshed out Holden more from the get-go.
But if you expect a 1-to-1 translation of the books into TV, you should stop watching, because the show will disappoint you then. It is it's own creation, and will take its own paths and solutions even if it ends up at the same place. That is a given necessity of the medium.
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Why not?
It created a context, with how earthers can get "space sickness" and longing for terra firma.
Any show that try to translate literally from book to the small screen is doomed to be a disaster.
I felt it was fitting, it fleshed out Holden more from the get-go.
But if you expect a 1-to-1 translation of the books into TV, you should stop watching, because the show will disappoint you then. It is it's own creation, and will take its own paths and solutions even if it ends up at the same place. That is a given necessity of the medium.
[applause] I like dis guy.
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I finally got to a computer that wouldn't hiccup every 30 seconds or so when playing the video. It looks interesting, but I find the idea of "acceleration drugs" a bit off the reservation. I think there was also a reference to a 30g maneuver (unless I mis-heard). That's simply a recipe for human paste last I checked. We do have the capability to produce that kind of thrust, but I'm not sure we'll ever have the technology to survive it (gravitics are the only thing that come to mind to solve that problem, and those are solidly science fantasy in my book). And given they were hours from the initial detection, I can't think of a reason for a high-g maneuver (this was separate from the 30g reference... incoming fire is the best reason for just about everything). Just lower the thrust and extend the duration.
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30 Gs? Survivable for a second, maybe...
Getting 30 Gs out of any kind of practical space ship? Not bloody likely unless you're riding an Orion, and you'd probably wreck the drive system if you tried that!
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Relatively small missiles and ballistic projectiles are the only things I can think of that could get there.
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Speaking of incoming fire...
...doesn't it seem a bit much to launch as many torpedoes as they did at the Cant? It's sure as hell not going to outmaneuver them, and I can't see it being so structurally sound as to effectively survive a hit from one*.
* It might have some structure intact, but it's not like it would be in any sort of functional shape.
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Either they got J.J. Abrams to direct, or they subscribe to the Aliens theory of "it's the only way to be sure"...
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I saw several trailers on YouTube for upcoming Syfy channel series that actually looked promising, including The Expanse. Sorry I missed the first episode. :(
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I saw several trailers on YouTube for upcoming Syfy channel series that actually looked promising, including The Expanse. Sorry I missed the first episode. :(
It's still up for viewing on www.syfy.com
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Not only is Ep1 still up, it hasnt aired on TV yet
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Why not?
It created a context, with how earthers can get "space sickness" and longing for terra firma.
Any show that try to translate literally from book to the small screen is doomed to be a disaster.
I felt it was fitting, it fleshed out Holden more from the get-go.
But if you expect a 1-to-1 translation of the books into TV, you should stop watching, because the show will disappoint you then. It is it's own creation, and will take its own paths and solutions even if it ends up at the same place. That is a given necessity of the medium.
1-1 translation doesn't work, I agree. I have no problem with the early introduction of Avasarala, as it will help everything blend together over the long run, given the role she has to play. Nor did it bother me to show rather than tell the story of Miller chucking the guy in the airlock.
I just feel that making Holden 2nd officer, then XO, and soon to be Captain, doesn't really add anything. It was a strange narrative choice to make when there will be lots that gets left on the cutting room floor.
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Episodes 3 and 4 are up; hot damn!
Railguns are naaaaasty.
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1-1 translation doesn't work, I agree. I have no problem with the early introduction of Avasarala, as it will help everything blend together over the long run, given the role she has to play. Nor did it bother me to show rather than tell the story of Miller chucking the guy in the airlock.
I just feel that making Holden 2nd officer, then XO, and soon to be Captain, doesn't really add anything. It was a strange narrative choice to make when there will be lots that gets left on the cutting room floor.
Maybe so, but I took it as an emphasis point about Holden's really not wanting responsibility, since that's a theme of his throughout the first couple of books. It's more pointed that a 'no-nothing' crewer suddenly finds himself captain and major rabble rouser in a short amount of time.
I'm only just finishing Caliban's War now, and while the early appearance of Avasarala (love that name) was jarring, it made total sense...though I felt she came off as pretty racist in the show, and not really as such in the book.
I'm hoping the physical differences shown between the Belters and others are CGI, because holy cow do they look emaciated.
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I want Avarasala to swear. I've been waiting for it but I don't think it's going to happen much.
Saw Episode 3 and I think they're doing well. I still don't buy the actor that plays Holden as Holden... but I think this could be a hit.
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I'm hoping the physical differences shown between the Belters and others are CGI, because holy cow do they look emaciated.
I think there's been some smart casting in terms of body types, and some CG, and some camera trickery. There's one shot of Miller in episode 2 or 3 where he looked elongated that impressed me no end.
In terms of detail bits like that, my only complaints are that the Martians look too much like Terrans, when they should be closer to Belters, and Naomi fits in too well with the rest of the main cast even though she's a Belter and the others are Terran or Martian. But those are very minor complaints. Overall I'm hugely impressed with the show and so glad it's turned out as well as it has.
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The pacing definitely picks up in episodes 3/4. I'm enjoying it so far and am trying to fight off going back and reading the books till after the seasons over.
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It's intensified my desire for Nemesis Games.
And to reread the first four.
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The ads have crashed my player twice now... I'm thinking I'm done with their website. Maybe I'll wait for DVD...
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I guess I will wait for it on Netflix
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I guess I will wait for it on Netflix
do you have difficulties watching it on their site?
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I know I did. I'll wait for it to hit Hulu or Netflix myself
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Try Ublock Origin for your browsers. I watched it on the Canadian Space channel, for any fellow canucks out there.
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Two thumbs up for the first four episodes.
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I was able to watch the rest of episode two on broadcast TV last night. While the plot and characters are interesting, the physics is driving me nuts. They spend all that money on zero-g and rotating reference frame special effects, yet insist on the high-g nonsense (the drugs, and much higher maneuvering gs than required). It's almost like the writers got lazy and are using bad physics to generate crises. From what I've seen, there's plenty of plot to be had without bad physics or technology (don't even get me started on the vac suits that can't connect to the oxygen tanks on the life boat, or that apparently weren't op-checked before being put on). Even Battletech and its magical fusion rockets doesn't subject people to 30 gs.
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My biggest complaint about the series compared to books is how they've made Amos an unthinking sociopath. He's loyal to Naomi like the books but there's no loyalty to anyone else. Stating that the only reason he doesn't kill Holden on the shuttle (when repairing the antenna) is because it would upset Naomi exemplifies it. The funny, good natured engineer that has questionable morals is gone, this person is a thug.
The protectiveness he feels for his fellow survivors is missing, in episode 3 he was willing to use Alex as a human shield while choking him. I don't know why but this bugs me far more than any other changes they've made so far.
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I quite like that the Cant's survivors aren't a tight-knit unit at this point. It gives Naomi, Alex and Amos something to do in the plot at a point in the novel where they weren't really characters yet, and I'm sure Amos will be closer to his book character later in the show.
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Episodes 5 and 6 are now available online. Really starting to etch into the shell of this nugget; curious to see how much more there is to reveal. I think they are pacing it really well.
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At this point is seems like they're not going to finish adapting Leviathan Wakes before the end of series 1, which is interesting.
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Episodes 5 and 6 are now available online. Really starting to etch into the shell of this nugget; curious to see how much more there is to reveal. I think they are pacing it really well.
Thanks for the head up!
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Episode 7, "Windmills" is online, and Episode 8 will be available tomorrow night.
Interesting interaction between Chrisjen and Holden's mother. Also..."Donkey Balls," that is all.
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Episode 8, "Salvage is now online.
Well, you found Holden and Julie...now what?
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Nice to see someone actually take the 'Nuke it from orbit' option.
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This week's episode was fantastic. Even though I knew what was going to happen in the hotel I was still on edge the whole time.
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Oh, and apparently episodes 9 and 10 will air next week
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Oh, and apparently episodes 9 and 10 will air next week
Sweet, even given my reservations earlier about Amos (still have them) I am really enjoying this. It's an excellent adaption and I'm glad to see it on SyFy.
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Woah, that was a heckuva season finale. Episodes 9 and 10 answered some questions, but, of course, left us with more. Next season airs in 2017. *sigh*
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Am I the only one who thinks that ten episodes is hardly a season.
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Am I the only one who thinks that ten episodes is hardly a season.
I suspect they were trying to gauge response to see if they would greenlight another season. Even the "big 3" networks have started going toward shorter seasons. This lets them cram in more different shows per year.
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I suspect they were trying to gauge response to see if they would greenlight another season. Even the "big 3" networks have started going toward shorter seasons. This lets them cram in more different shows per year.
Yea, I have noticed this. But just saying that it is almost a joke, you just start getting into the show and then it is done for the year.
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For UK/Ireland folks, series 1 has just been added to Netflix. And it's got their logo on the thumbnail, so there's a good chance they'll be adding series 2 as it airs in the US, like they do for Better Call Saul, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, and a bunch of other shows they have the rights to here.
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Saw that when I logged on tonight finally get a proper look at it
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They also added Cowboy Bebop today :D
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Two Adam Savage/Expanse jams hit YouTube today.
First, a making of for the show in general:
https://youtu.be/p8vR2FB1PGM
and on his YouTube channel, an interview with Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFEnQzvRe9Y
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Excellent show. I binged watched it a few weeks back. I loved the ode to science with their realistic portrayals of the effects of gravity and space physics. O0
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SyFy getting back to Sci Fi?!?!? whats next? History Channel channel actually doing something history related?
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Excellent show. I binged watched it a few weeks back. I loved the ode to science with their realistic portrayals of the effects of gravity and space physics. O0
more realistic seeming at least. stealth in space is a rather improbable thing, especially on ships using constant thrust to get around. and the accelerations quoted when they open up are rather absurd. no amount of drugs would keep you from being turned to paste in a 500g burn for example. and the railguns the badguys used in that fight against the donnager were highly unrealistic in how cleanly they punched through the ship.. it made for a dramatic scene as they did damage control to avoid the air escaping, but frankly that room would have been filled with metal confetti, assuming it punched that deep in the first place.
i suspect the original novel series had the same flaws as well, and the show does fairly well otherwise, so still a good show for illustrating you can have verisimilitude and drama together. though the weird illness thing has me scratching my head, hopeful we'll learn more about it in season 2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwTb8IGKmUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwTb8IGKmUg)
Huh. Bobbie already. Things are getting jumbled up a bit... hopefully it all continues to work.
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My prediction is that they're going to mix in the start of Prax and Bobbie's storylines in with the back chunk of Leviathan Wakes over the course of the first 4 or so episodes, and then power through to the end of Caliban's War, closing on the last line of the book. It helps that series 2 is going to be 12 episodes instead of 10.
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Just watched the first two episodes of the second season ("Safe" and "Doors & Corners")...
Wow. Just wow. Things are really ramping up.
Haven't read the books, but I'm really loving this show. The mystery plus the high politics. It's been awhile since I've gotten this much into a show.
(Really torn on who's story I'm into more: Miller's or Avasarala (who seems to be getting more screen time second season...)
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Just finished S1 a few days ago. Really enjoyed it.
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So, I've read a lot of hate for the actress playing Avasarala. Now, I haven't read the books, so I don't know how she compares...But personally I think she has one of the best performances of the whole series. What do ya'll think?
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I've only ever seen her praised!
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I think they'd have been hard pressed to find a better actress to play Avasarala. My only gripe is that she doesn't swear enough.
So far, I'm still liking the earlier inclusion of characters (for those who haven't read the books, Avasarala and Bobbie didn't appear until book 2). Their appearances make sense, and provide a little more backstory to those characters as well as depth to the series.
This is how you adapt a novel series to TV. Season 1 and 2 are going to be Book One, Leviathan Wakes. And with six (to date) books in the series, that leaves a LOT for the TV series.
Remember, doors and corners. That phrase carries great importance going forward.
Oh, and I miss Miller's hat. :(
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I think they'd have been hard pressed to find a better actress to play Avasarala. My only gripe is that she doesn't swear enough.
They've added hard swearing this year, but the sound track mutes when it happens. Presumably they'll be uncensored on the home video releases (and given that Netflix outside the US aren't adding it till April, maybe there too). They also blurred Dominique Tipper's breast during the sex scene.
This is how you adapt a novel series to TV. Season 1 and 2 are going to be Book One, Leviathan Wakes. And with six (to date) books in the series, that leaves a LOT for the TV series.
I wonder if they're going to stretch the rest of Leviathan Wakes out over 12 episodes - there's not a huge amount of material left in there to adapt, and they mentioned Ganymede in Adam Savage's set visit on Tested. I suspect they're going to either start Caliban's War this year and possibly finish it by episode 12. The last line of the book would be a great cliffhanger if they did that, especially given what goes down at the end of Leviathan Wakes.
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more realistic seeming at least. stealth in space is a rather improbable thing, especially on ships using constant thrust to get around. and the accelerations quoted when they open up are rather absurd. no amount of drugs would keep you from being turned to paste in a 500g burn for example. and the railguns the badguys used in that fight against the donnager were highly unrealistic in how cleanly they punched through the ship.. it made for a dramatic scene as they did damage control to avoid the air escaping, but frankly that room would have been filled with metal confetti, assuming it punched that deep in the first place.
i suspect the original novel series had the same flaws as well, and the show does fairly well otherwise, so still a good show for illustrating you can have verisimilitude and drama together. though the weird illness thing has me scratching my head, hopeful we'll learn more about it in season 2
While I admit that the stealth ships were unrealistic I think the book explains it better- they did detect something, but there was so much space junk floating around they figured it was just part of the scenery until it was too late.
I thought the railgun scene was excellent- it illustrated that when a breach occurs, the air doesnt spontaneously fly out and depressurize everything all at once, it has to make its way out depending on the size of the hole. Perhaps the other rooms absorbed the shrapnel.
While it may have some minor flaws technical wise, I think its a step in the right direction as opposed to the usual space operas like Star Trek where every planet is 1G and breathable, and the aliens look like humans with added props on their heads and everyone speaks English (yes, I know- the technobabble universal translator- but how do they lip synch to English though?) and all ships have gravity fields and shields that can somehow stop everything. ;)
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Just watched the latest episode. (Godspeed). Gotta say, this season is getting better all the time.
And somehow...I didn't think things would be that easy...Bye bye Navoo...
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So...episode 5 "Home"....whaaat...? :o :o :o [watch]
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That was the end of book one 'Leviathan Wakes.'
Just wait and see what happens on Venus >:D
On to Ganymede, Prax, more Bobbi, and "We need to talk."
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That was the end of book one 'Leviathan Wakes.'
Just wait and see what happens on Venus >:D
On to Ganymede, Prax, more Bobbi, and "We need to talk."
Well, pretty much every episode this season I've been expecting Miller to buy the farm...he's lasted longer than I thought he would. ;D
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Well, pretty much every episode this season I've been expecting Miller to buy the farm...he's lasted longer than I thought he would. ;D
Yes. Hehehehehe.
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So there is 4 novels in the series, with 2 more on the way? (Guess it's time to start reading)
Anything think there should be an Expanse RPG in the works? :)
(Slightly off topic but has anyone here read the Virga series by Karl Schroeder? Been rereading them lately. It's a very interesting world.)
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So there is 4 novels in the series, with 2 more on the way? (Guess it's time to start reading)
Six completed, with an unknown number still coming. Leviathan Wakes. Caliban's War. Abaddon's Gate. Cibola Burn. Nemesis Games. Babylon's Ashes.
Anything think there should be an Expanse RPG in the works? :)
Yaaaaaasssssssssss!
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You guys know the Expanse started as an MMO pitch, and when it fell through Ty Franck turned it into a setting for D20 which he ran with friends, including Daniel Abraham, and the pair decided to turn it into a novel series?
What I'm saying is, there's already a sourcebook out there.
Also, this week's ep surpassed the source material for me. The last scene or two got me in the feels in a way the book never did.
And next week we're going to get that Bobbie scene...
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Ok... I have never read the novels, and didn't see any of the show until the season 2 opener. It got my attention even though I only saw about 20 minutes of it. My wife and I watched season 1 on Netflix as quickly as possible and had to buy/rent S2E1 from Amazon to catch it, since it was off of SyFy.com by the time we made it that far. We just finished the remaining S2 episodes last night and are now caught up. Severe pain in the ass but totally worth it. It's a great series and I love the space/zero-g combat scenes. I might just have to get into the novels.
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I might just have to get into the novels.
They're well worth it.
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I'm glad I read the novels before the series, but the books and TV show are very complementary. Some of the hardest sci-fi I've seen on TV in a while.
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For everyone that has read the books...how closely do the characters match up between the two?
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Fairly closely. Sometimes how they got there is a little different, but the essentials of the characters are spot on.
I will say I expected Amos to look different. Same with Bobby. And obviously the Belters should be VERY different in appearance, but that would have been prohibitively expensive for the effects team.
Avasarala should swear more. She and Bobby both appear earlier than they do in the books, but it worked out well.
And in the books Miller kept his hat 'til the ... end.
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Yeah, the show has the advantage of using the later books' background material for some of the less-fleshed out characters to inform their portrayal earlier on, while not revealing much of that information. Wes Chatham rereads the Churn, which delves into Amos' personal history to get into character, but the only part of that which has made it to the screen is his conversation in the bar with Alex on Tycho in series 1.
Also, we get nice easter eggs like the Innaros faction getting mentioned this week.
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Well, I finished Leviathan Wakes and am now into Caliban's War just past where it matches up with last week's episode (where they snuck into Ganymede). I definitely like the books more than the show, but I still like the show a lot.
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SyFy getting back to Sci Fi?!?!? whats next? History Channel channel actually doing something history related?
no going to happen...its the aliens that schedual and make the program choices for them after all...
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Finished Caliban's War, and after this week's episode, I'm almost regretting reading the novels. The changes were ok when I saw them on the screen first and then read the novel, but now that I'm ahead of the show some of the changes are pretty annoying. ::)
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Noooooooooo...I'm not ready for the season to end yet. :'(
Just finished watching "Cascade" and "Here There be Dragons". Considering that the first season only had 10 episodes I was expecting "Cascade" to be the season finale. Glad it wasn't. Looks like there are still two more episodes left: "The Monster and the Rocket" and "Caliban's War".
As for the episodes themselves...wow, the last two have been absolute rollercoaster rides. Feel like I'm getting whiplash. :D
I really like how, even though there are a lot of characters to follow, everyone feels like they get considerable screen time every episode. That's quite a feat.
At least we will be getting a third season...but, waiting a whole year is going to suck. (Yeah, I know, could read the books...but don't want to go into it more concerned about the changes from the books like Cache.)
So, I'm curious, in the books is Sadavir Errinwright more fleshed out? From the early episodes he's been kind of framed as a baddie, but the last few have shown him a tiny bit more sympathetic. Is there more too him in the books?
(EDIT: Just stumbled across these...don't have a 3D Printer, but I figured anyone out there that does, might like to make they're own models of the ships. ;D
http://www.thingiverse.com/Syfy/collections/the-expanse/page:1 (http://www.thingiverse.com/Syfy/collections/the-expanse/page:1))
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Errinwright is far more of a character in the show than the books. Apparently Shawn Doyle has impressed the producers to the point that they've expanded his role between series 1 and 2.
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Errinwright is far more of a character in the show than the books. Apparently Shawn Doyle has impressed the producers to the point that they've expanded his role between series 1 and 2.
That's because Shawn Doyle is awesome. I've loved his work since seeing him in the series, Endgame.
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So..."The Monster and the Rocket"...thoughts?
Mr. Doyle is certainly grabbing some big scenes in this one.
Also, will we be seeing two divergent evolutions of the Protomolecule: ie Venus and Ganymede flavors?
And anyone else think Madame Secretary's bodyguard/Intel officer seems really cool? Would make a cool buddy-cop sort of plotline with Gunny.
Oh, one other thing: the pilot of the Weeping Somnambulist was played by Peter Williams; otherwise known as "Apophis" on Stargate SG-1.
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(Yeah, I know, could read the books...but don't want to go into it more concerned about the changes from the books like Cache.)
Don't let my whining stop you from enjoying the books. ;) The TV series is past Leviathan Wakes, so you're safe with that one. The more I think about the reasons for the changes, the easier it is to get over myself. I'm a big fan of The Walking Dead (series and comics) and the series makes huge changes as well. One thing it seems both series have in common is that they interchange the roles of characters from print, just to keep us guessing. For example, in TWD, TV Michonne has taken the role comic Andrea plays while TV Carol has taken over comic Michonne's role. TV Andrea has taken over comic Carol's role--neither survived the prison "era". TV Sasha took over comic Holly's role, etc... etc.
Errinwright is far more of a character in the show than the books. Apparently Shawn Doyle has impressed the producers to the point that they've expanded his role between series 1 and 2.
I am getting the feeling that TV Errinwright is taking over novel Jules-Pierre Mao's role going forward.
Also, will we be seeing two divergent evolutions of the Protomolecule: ie Venus and Ganymede flavors?
I was wondering about that. Looks like the Rosi picked up Gollum.
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Man... season 3 in 2018 ? That's a while.
Also, RIP Adam Savage. ;D
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Man... season 3 in 2018 ? That's a while.
It's just next year. While series 1 kicked off in December 2015, it was February this year when series 2 launched.
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It's just next year. While series 1 kicked off in December 2015, it was February this year when series 2 launched.
Three months on, nine off is bad. I guess there's something to be said for mid-season breaks filled with re-runs... old school style.
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Three months on, nine off is bad. I guess there's something to be said for mid-season breaks filled with re-runs... old school style.
I'd imagine the low episode count is because of how expensive they are to make.
Anyway, it seems like most shows are going that route. Seems like most shows I watch anymore never go over 13 eps a year.
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Three months on, nine off is bad. I guess there's something to be said for mid-season breaks filled with re-runs... old school style.
Most prestige dramas have similar or shorter episode counts. The last two series of Game of Thrones are going to have 8 episodes each, for example.
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Or could be like Sherlock, where you were lucky to get 3 episodes every couple of years... :D
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Is it February yet? :(
And does anyone else think it would be cool to have a wargame based off of the series? (Well...you can already get files for 3D prints of several of the ships off the SciFi website...)
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Still waiting for Season 2 to land on Netflix here in Aus :'(
Need to get CGL to dust off Battlespace, "Alpha Strike" it to make it play faster and then make a "The Expanse" version to pitch . . . >:D
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Still waiting for Season 2 to land on Netflix here in Aus :'(
Apparently it's hitting Netflix in Europe in September, so should hopefully get to Oz at the same time
Need to get CGL to dust off Battlespace, "Alpha Strike" it to make it play faster and then make a "The Expanse" version to pitch . . . >:D
There's already alpha strike space combat rules in the Alpha Strike Companion...
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Thanks for the heads up, I guess I will just have to patiently wait until September for Season 2 and get around to reading Alpha Strike Companion (which means that CGL really has no excuse not to be pitching to SyFy . . . >:D )
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Got a notification that The Expanse Season 2 will be available on Netflix here in Aus on 08 Sep.
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And series 2 has hit Netflix outside the US and Canada
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I just wish I could find the first season on DVD in local stores...based on what happened with that one, I went ahead and got season 2 before it disappeared (although I didn't like paying $30 for it)...
Have had the same issues with the first two seasons of Killjoys and Dark Matter...waited for them to come down in price, and now can't find them in stores...guess will have to order...
Really irritated though that Syfy has cancelled Dark Matter...guess we're down to just The Expanse and Killjoys now...
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Rewatched both seasons with my dad. He enjoyed I think. (I was surprised just how many little bits of foreshadowing the was in the first season: little background stuff.)
One thing I am curious about though: is that I've heard that all of the characters are pretty close to how they are in the books (well, Avasarala should swear more) except for Amos. So just how different is "book Amos" from "tv Amos"?
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TV Amos expresses more emotion. He also isn't as physically imposing, but I get what they were going for. He has to be more expressive on TV because it's a visual medium, so I've grown to forgive that as well.
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Watching Season 2 on Netflix the Rocinate is one cool ship in season one there was a touch of what it could do but in Season 2 a lot more fun.
I like the introduction of the Martian marines too seeing their perspective the opening ground "battle" was fun too
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TV Amos expresses more emotion. He also isn't as physically imposing, but I get what they were going for. He has to be more expressive on TV because it's a visual medium, so I've grown to forgive that as well.
He's also "prettier" on TV than he is described as in the books (stocky and receding hair)... but that's the visual medium thing as well.
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Cool news!! There is an Expanse tabletop RPG in the works! Yay!
https://greenronin.com/blog/2017/08/17/press-release-green-ronin-to-publish-the-expanse-rpg/ (https://greenronin.com/blog/2017/08/17/press-release-green-ronin-to-publish-the-expanse-rpg/)
(Yeah I know, it's a bit late, but I just now stumbled upon the news.)
[Caveat: It's going to be done by Green Ronin Publishing. So if the way they've handled their other licensed games is any indication: get ready for some G. R. R. Martin levels of waiting between releases (if we're lucky). They've had the license for Dragon Age tabletop RPG since 2010 and they've done jack all with it (no, seriously: they've released two editions of the rulebook, a GM screen, 1 adventure & 3 or 4 mini little pdf things in 7 YEARS), so I'll admit to not being a fan of theirs.]
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Do they even have the license for Dragon Age anymore? It's been long enough that it may have expired by now.
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Do they even have the license for Dragon Age anymore? It's been long enough that it may have expired by now.
No, they still have it. They put out a really expensive corebook last year (basically a repackaging job) or the year before. They keep teasing new products but they haven't released them yet. (Sorry if I came across a bit peeved, but DA is one of my favorite franchises and it's frustrating to see it not getting any support.)
Anyway, back to The Expanse: what would you guys like to see in an RPG based on it?
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Well that sucks. :(
Last I'd heard it was going to be a February date for the beginning of the the third season. But on just checking it appears it's going to be much later: the only date I found, unconfirmed at this time at least, is on the 6th of June.
(Man, all the best shows are killing me by making me wait so long...)
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I've only just recently read Leviathan Wakes, and watched fragments from the show.
The one difference that struck me most was the Protomolecule depiction.
In the show, it't somehow too... clean, with the blue colors and lights making it feel less organic and by extension, a bit less threatening. Whereas in the book, it was a gory, repulsive mutant horror crossover between the Zerg and Giger's Alien in brown, red and black hues, described as smelling like an unflushed toilet. Very organic. Extremely gross. The Eros sequence omitted the entire gruelling zombie apocalypse from the book.
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Just shotgunned seasons 1 and 2, and it's really, really good. It's engaging, it's refreshing, it feels genuinely new the way the sixth Star Trek, the second Battlestar Galactica or the third Stargate series never will.
I like the slightly harder real-world science feel, though interplanetary travel still happens at the speed of the plot and the zero g scenes are a little silly but LOOK HUSH YOU NEVER MIND.
Best of all, I feel like this is one of the few properties to get gritty/grimdark RIGHT. Game of Thrones and its imitators would have you believe that the black hats always win, the white ones lose, or if they do by some miracle not ****** up everything irretrievably, it's by learning how to be arseholes.
But that's just as simplistic as the space operas and fantasies that grimdark has shivved on its way to the throne of popular culture. What the Expanse does is understand that reality is messy, people are messy, and if you want to be really gritty you've got to reflect that.
The characters are screwed up, sometimes trying to do the right thing, not always quite succeeding. Thomas Jane is an early standout as Joe Miller, a crooked cop assigned to track down a rich man's rebellious daughter, who gradually grows a conscience and a cause.
The pacing is a little odd, I'll give you that. The real climax from the first book takes place in the middle of season 2. Season 1 just kind of, like, abruptly ends, a bit like this se
The only genuine downside here is that it's so good, watching this show has kind of spoiled me on Star Trek Discovery, shining a spotlight on how cartoonish ST:D's attempts at seriousness are and how overly-reliant on cheap, unearned twists it is.
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speed of plot in the expanse is somewhat justified though, in that their ships can do multiple g's of constant thrust and routinely use half to 1g of thrust for getting around.. when you can do that travel times for in system tend not to be all that long, as battletech fans know.
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Would that Krypton the Superman prequel ....is that Sci-fi??
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So tonight's the night. Everyone ready for the new season?
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So ready!
This season should have one of my favourite scenes. "We need to talk."
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I thank you for the reminder! That's the only show on SyFy so I've been missing the ads.
Very excited to see it.
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Going to be DVRing it instead of waiting until it hits Amazon Prime.
Got to do something to justify still having cable. (Actually I still have cable because I did the math and it wouldn't really save me any money if I switched over to streaming everything with the extra monthly subscriptions I'd have to buy).
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Will have to patiently await for it to arrive on Netflix Australia but I am very much looking forward to it.
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That was a good episode. Loved how it contrasted the different situations the characters find themselves in - The Roci is temporarily safe but the crew is in turmoil, Bobbie and Avasarala are in danger both inside Mao's yacht as well as from external sources, while Errinwright and Fred manoeuvre around the edges.
And I really like that they've expanded so many characters who only got names and a few lines in the books. Cotyar has especially been great in how they've rounded him out.
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I'm starting to get disappointed with the writing. The crew in the novels appears a whole lot more intelligent than the TV crew... not falling into simple blunders like allowing the rescued Martians to attempt a take-over. The instant gratification of the first strike on the missile platforms, followed by the launch/detonation was annoying. The super-close range space battles I understand--Hollywood shows 800 meters on land as though it were 80 meters because they want attacker and target visible in the same shot. But rail guns and missiles that fly faster than light? At the very least they could have mentioned that it was going to take a long time for the shots to hit. I'm not a genius by any means and the show REALLY feels dumbed down.
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Just finished watching the episode "Triple Point". Whew...that was an intense one. Things are really starting to ramp up. I think that's been the best episode so far of this season.
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Annnnnd SyFy have just dropped the show. But Alcon own the rights so they're shopping it around, I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up on Netflix, where it's already listed as an Original in most countries.
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Amazon Prime is streaming it in the US.
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Here's an article explaining it:
https://screenrant.com/expanse-canceled-syfy/ (https://screenrant.com/expanse-canceled-syfy/)
The way I read that, SyFy was only making money on it from the live broadcast, not from any streaming of it, which is why it was canceled, the ratings just weren't high enough.
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Honestly I'm amazed it went to season 3 on syfy.
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This is why I stopped watching ScyFy.
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Here's an article explaining it:
https://screenrant.com/expanse-canceled-syfy/ (https://screenrant.com/expanse-canceled-syfy/)
The way I read that, SyFy was only making money on it from the live broadcast, not from any streaming of it, which is why it was canceled, the ratings just weren't high enough.
In a time when more and more people are going to stream services, why is it that Sy Fy got only first-run linear rights?
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Stupid management?
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Gotta save that money to spend it on looking for ghost's!
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SyFy has been really really disappointing over the last 5 years. I haven't watched a show on it in a long time.
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SyFy has been really really disappointing over the last 5 years. I haven't watched a show on it in a long time.
That's generally what happens when you; a) cheap out, and b) play to the lowest common denominator.
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SyFy must have realized that "The Expanse" is too Sci Fi for them.
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Maybe it'll end up on a channel/service that will actually allow Avasarala to swear the way she should.
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She has quite the potty mouth on the Amazon Prime streaming version.
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Yeah, they allowed for full swearing during series 2, and it gets bleeped or overdubbed on SyFy, but uncensored on Space in Canada, and on Amazon in the US and Netflix in the rest of the world.
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Yeah, I watch it on Space, but she's still tame compared to the books. Lady curses every other word. Gives her an interesting character.
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Her colorful use of language is what endear her to me.
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Yeah, they allowed for full swearing during series 2, and it gets bleeped or overdubbed on SyFy, but uncensored on Space in Canada, and on Amazon in the US and Netflix in the rest of the world.
Huh, didn't know that. Of course, I bought the season from the Microsoft Store so, no censoring there.
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There is a change.org petition for Netflix to pick up the show.
https://www.change.org/p/netflix-netflix-please-buy-the-rights-to-the-expanse
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According to Cas Anvar (who plays Alex), SyFy says they may reconsider cancelling the show if the ratings for the rest of the season goes up.
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Come on Netflix, if you can throw away piles of cash on drek like "Mute" and "Titan," you can spend a little on a quality series like this.
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Come on Netflix, if you can throw away piles of cash on drek like "Mute" and "Titan," you can spend a little on a quality series like this.
Rumour has it Netflix has passed on the show (no link, saw it in comments on an article that someone got it from a staff member on social media), which if true makes me think of the old Robot saying DOES NOT COMPUTE. Guys, you already distribute the show in all but three countries!
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Given that Amazon already distributes it in the US, I wonder if they're trying to pick it up.
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Just watched "Immolation"...holy crap that was a satisfying episode. But man, the last two have been intense, don't know if they can keep ratcheting it up like this...
And Cotyar is one of my favorite characters.
Given that Amazon already distributes it in the US, I wonder if they're trying to pick it up.
I really hope so.
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Looks like Amazon is in the running to pick it up.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/expanse-revived-season-4-at-amazon-1113803?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/expanse-revived-season-4-at-amazon-1113803?__twitter_impression=true)
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Guess there's something to be said about a billionaire sci-fi nerd who owns his own streaming service.
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I'll take back some of the nasty things I said about Bezos if he makes this happen.
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And accordingly,I now take back some of those things. Amazon have announced they're picking up The Expanse for series 4
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I hope they do a little better on the details--i.e. less lazy writing. If I see another person with food or garbage on the float in zero-g... I'm going to curse a lot more. The books make pains going into how equipment discipline is so heavily ingrained/evolved into belters (and others who make a living in space) that that sort of thing would never happen. Those who aren't disciplined remove themselves from the gene-pool in a hurry. There are less lazy ways to show that a craft is at zero-g... please. That and maybe a little effort at showing how long a long-range engagement actually is would be nice.
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Well now, things are definitely starting to move at a clip now...
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Well now, things are definitely starting to move at a clip now...
Nope, they just slowed down in a hurry.
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Well, that was quite a season finale? Thoughts?
Felt a bit rushed, but then everything from the mid-season time jump felt a bit rushed.
On one hand I think I prefer the first two seasons (especially the first), just because they seemed a bit more tight structure-wise.
And I think Amos has really stolen the show.
Think David Strathairn was really good.
And Drummer is still my favorite Belter.
Will we see more of Avasarala? Or will she fade into the background?
And would anyone else have liked to have seen a show about Drapper and Cotyar working together?
(Think that would have been really fun.)
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The producers wanted to make sure the show had something approaching a conclusion in case they got cancelled, so they accelerated the adaptation of Abaddon's Gate to complete it this year. Another episode or two would definitely have helped sell some of the character arcs. Still, on to Cibola Burn next year.
(And Avasarala will be back)
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(And Avasarala will be back)
Avasarala is always back... and cursing up a storm.
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And finally have some news about season 4:
https://www-comingsoon-net.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1037091-the-expanse-adds-burn-gorman/amp (https://www-comingsoon-net.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1037091-the-expanse-adds-burn-gorman/amp)
Was good in both Torchwood and Pacific Rim, will be interesting to watch him in this.
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And finally have some news about season 4:
https://www-comingsoon-net.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1037091-the-expanse-adds-burn-gorman/amp (https://www-comingsoon-net.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1037091-the-expanse-adds-burn-gorman/amp)
Was good in both Torchwood and Pacific Rim, will be interesting to watch him in this.
Not the actor I would have pictured for the character, but I do like his work. Looking forward to S4. I hope Amazon takes their time getting through the books. SyFy rushed through them WAY too fast.
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I started the expanse around the beginning of January on Amazon Prime. It is amazing! It is some really good sci-fi and TV. I haven't been this engaged in a series in a long time. I am excited to start Season 3 on Prime tomorrow.
I love/hate the way most episodes end that I need to see the next one now. If I watched this on the first run on SyFy it would be hard to wait for the next episode.
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Not the actor I would have pictured for the character, but I do like his work. Looking forward to S4. I hope Amazon takes their time getting through the books. SyFy rushed through them WAY too fast.
Yeah, appearance wise, doesn't really match, but he'll nail the personality.
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Season 3 is live on Prime! Guess my night just got better :).
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Sweet. I watched the first two seasons on Prime, then saw the third season on SyFy. But I'd like to watch them back to back instead of having to wait a week between each episode.
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Finally back to the boards after an unintentional hiatus. Just finished Season 3 tonight (thank you Amazon Prime!)
David Strathairn didn't disappoint. Lots of things to mull over; here's my top thoughts/questions.
Was Ashford (Strathairn) playacting all along, or did the threat of the station make him change his thinking?
Bobbie joins the crew of the Roci!
Thank God that smug little so-and-so, Diogo, finally snuffed it!
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Aaaand they're back! December 13, 2020
https://youtu.be/kNIim3xqsEU (https://youtu.be/kNIim3xqsEU)
https://youtu.be/9LrZiNOvp_c (https://youtu.be/9LrZiNOvp_c)
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I hope they do a little better on the details--i.e. less lazy writing. If I see another person with food or garbage on the float in zero-g... I'm going to curse a lot more. The books make pains going into how equipment discipline is so heavily ingrained/evolved into belters (and others who make a living in space) that that sort of thing would never happen. Those who aren't disciplined remove themselves from the gene-pool in a hurry. There are less lazy ways to show that a craft is at zero-g... please. That and maybe a little effort at showing how long a long-range engagement actually is would be nice.
Would different lighting work better? Put strip lighting in place around the hatches and have it lit up when at zero-G, so people know where to go when drifting through the ship? Similarly, different lighting for the bathrooms, so people know when they can relax with 'gravity assist', and when they really need to read the instructions about how to use a Zero-G toilet.
So during acceleration you might see 'overhead' and floor lighting, while during zero-G there would be 'perimeter' lighting so people drifting know where not to bang themselves.
For a cheap version, you might see something like a glow-globe on a chain. During zero-G the globe is freely floating around in the air currents, and during gravity it would be hanging on the end of a chain.
For a long-range engagement, most of that would be waiting for your shots to arrive and the return fire to put holes in your ship, so you could have people talking (like on the Martian Battleship when it was engaging the Stealth ships). All you might see is blips on a screen, showing which enemy railgun shots are going to intercept, which missiles are still dangerous, etc. You might see a specific pattern of railgun shells and the characters make a comment about how the enemy is herding them in a certain direction, making them burn up their reaction mass, or over-use a specific set of reaction thrusters.
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Aaaand they're back! December 13, 2020
https://youtu.be/kNIim3xqsEU (https://youtu.be/kNIim3xqsEU)
https://youtu.be/9LrZiNOvp_c (https://youtu.be/9LrZiNOvp_c)
I love that landing sequence btw... for multiple reasons.
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I love that landing sequence btw... for multiple reasons.
Same here. And the Roci's landing gear being on the stern around the engine bell makes a lot more sense than it being on her belly. Nice of SpaceX to show them how it should be done. ;D
December 13th? I can't wait.
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I love that landing sequence btw... for multiple reasons.
Same here, but most of all because it demonstrates how BTech Spheroid DropShips work.
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Same here, but most of all because it demonstrates how BTech Spheroid DropShips work.
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Yeah, but also the way they are landing on the tea-kettles instead of the primary drive. The primary drive is a Kzinti incident waiting to happen.
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Would different lighting work better? Put strip lighting in place around the hatches and have it lit up when at zero-G, so people know where to go when drifting through the ship? Similarly, different lighting for the bathrooms, so people know when they can relax with 'gravity assist', and when they really need to read the instructions about how to use a Zero-G toilet.
So during acceleration you might see 'overhead' and floor lighting, while during zero-G there would be 'perimeter' lighting so people drifting know where not to bang themselves.
For a cheap version, you might see something like a glow-globe on a chain. During zero-G the globe is freely floating around in the air currents, and during gravity it would be hanging on the end of a chain.
Why not just have the people on the float for zero-g? Even in mag boots wouldn't their posture be noticeably different as well? If they need to have objects floating, at least have them tied off (like the glow-globe you mentioned). There are smarter people in the biz who can figure out more unique ways of doing it without being lazy, I hope they do.
For a long-range engagement, most of that would be waiting for your shots to arrive and the return fire to put holes in your ship, so you could have people talking (like on the Martian Battleship when it was engaging the Stealth ships). All you might see is blips on a screen, showing which enemy railgun shots are going to intercept, which missiles are still dangerous, etc. You might see a specific pattern of railgun shells and the characters make a comment about how the enemy is herding them in a certain direction, making them burn up their reaction mass, or over-use a specific set of reaction thrusters.
And cuts... lots of cuts.
And above all else, DON'T RUSH THROUGH THE STORY LIKE THEY DID FOR SEASON 3!!
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Same here. And the Roci's landing gear being on the stern around the engine bell makes a lot more sense than it being on her belly. Nice of SpaceX to show them how it should be done. ;D
December 13th? I can't wait.
Aren't the decks of the Roci vertical instead of the more common sci-fi show horizontal? (Like how the decks are laid out on a BT WarShip...)
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Aren't the decks of the Roci vertical instead of the more common sci-fi show horizontal? (Like how the decks are laid out on a BT WarShip...)
Correct. Same goes for most ships in The Expanse, especially the large ones.
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I think they are depicted as horizontal, but could be wrong. My only complaint about the series is the Holden character. I cannot stand his puppy eyes and holier than thou attitude. the rest of the characters and acting I buy wholesale. Hoilden is just a subpar actor though.
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I think they are depicted as horizontal, but could be wrong.
Trick camera work. When we see the ship's cargo door hatch open in one episode, you can see from shape of hole/things seen inside its vertical.
My only complaint about the series is the Holden character. I cannot stand his puppy eyes and holier than thou attitude. the rest of the characters and acting I buy wholesale. Hoilden is just a subpar actor though.
Hilarious thing is... he is even more holier than thou in the books.
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Hilarious thing is... he is even more holier than thou in the books.
It's pretty much his whole thing.
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It's pretty much his whole thing.
Considering the characters main claim to fame is annoying the entire Solar System, I'd say the actor is doing a great job!
Disclaimer: I like Holden and I like the actor.
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One of my best friends and I have a running joke about James Holden commenting on whatever bad-taste gag we've just shared and kicking off a war as a result.
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My only complaint about the series is the Holden character. I cannot stand his puppy eyes and holier than thou attitude.
I believe that description of him has been used more than once throughout the novels. I guess that means, "works as intended."
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looks like the Roci got a major upgrade since season 3.. landing legs, teakettles for landing in atmo, is that a freaking miniature railgun? curious who did the rebuilding since they managed to tick off all three major powers as well as the systems biggest industrial conglomerate last season.
also interesting that the first ship we see in the trailer has a rotational section.. clearly ship designs have adapted to the 'speed limit' of the gate zone. clearly the Nauvoo's role in the first gate incident left some impressions on people.
the scene with Avasarala looking at the display screen has a ship displayed, not a style we've seen in previous seasons that i can tell. the ship carries the name label CIV_Sinon. and a flight path is displayed below the ship wireframe, with the same label and showing a path taking it between earth and the moon, clipping close to earth. can't tell if it is coming or going though.
right after there is a blink and you'll miss it of a small craft, looking rather cobbled together (or perhaps just very utilitarian) dropping off a missile that proceeds to flip over and fly away back along the ships path of travel. i don't think this is the CIV_Sinon from the earlier scene, the shape of the ship doesn't match.
freeze framing the scene with the two ships near the gate later in the trailer, it looks like the foreground ship is MCRN (going by color and what we can see of the shape) while the background one is UNN (going by styling), and also includes a rotational section (on the nose, and apparently retracted and not spinning. which is probably part of its battle stations mode)
also i love the prefab buildings at the one base.. very plausible approach. i would hope though that if we see other worlds with more greenery that the colony sites look a bit more fireflyish with buildings made from locally sourced materials.
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is that a freaking miniature railgun?
oh yes.
also interesting that the first ship we see in the trailer has a rotational section.. clearly ship designs have adapted to the 'speed limit' of the gate zone. clearly the Nauvoo's role in the first gate incident left some impressions on people.
I don't remember if it was explicitly stated in the show, but the speed limit was removed when everyone restarted their drives.
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also i love the prefab buildings at the one base.. very plausible approach. i would hope though that if we see other worlds with more greenery that the colony sites look a bit more fireflyish with buildings made from locally sourced materials.
If memory serves, you should see two, very different, colony sites on this planet.
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Series 4 is live. I have watched Episode 1 and it's a doozy. There are some changes from the book - Bobbie's first chapter is pretty much adapted entirely in here and it looks like she's sticking around - Drummer and Ashford remain a presence, and it looks like between the three of them, we're going to be delving into the Duarte/Marco arcs a bit early. Which I'm OK with. I'm fully expecting books 5 and 6 to be entirely covered by series 5.
The setup on Ilus has been changed a bit as well - RCE's mission is entirely scientific according to Avasarala (but there's a conversation between Murtry and the ill-fated expedition head that suggests they're there for the resources to some degree, so that side of the conflict is going to be a presence at least).
Amazing production values on display too - some fantastic establishing shots of the Ring, Earth, and Mars. The alterations to the opening credits are breathtaking, and the animation over the first half of the closing credits is a great, ominous moment.
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I'm not a fan of them rushing through the books so fast, but I also realize that they have to work with the time they've got. :-\ Thanks for the reminder that S4 dropped... haven't been on Prime in a bit.
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It makes sense from a production standpoint to add some of the Sol system elements to the story while the Roci crew are on Ilus - it's a lot easier to keep Shoreh Agdashloo and Frankie Adams around for later series if it's a steady gig.
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I've watched the first 4 and loving it the only thing that's a little confusing is Mars appears to have drunk the Peace-coolade so much so that they are in the process of decommissioning things which given previous series is weird.
I'm loving the four stories though it jumps about just enough to keep you wanting more
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I'm three episodes in and have really been enjoying it. I'm wondering why they recast Arjun Avsarala. The new actor that's playing him is doing a fine job, but I thought he was Chrisjen's son until he introduced himself later on.
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I'm three episodes in and have really been enjoying it. I'm wondering why they recast Arjun Avsarala. The new actor that's playing him is doing a fine job, but I thought he was Chrisjen's son until he introduced himself later on.
Presumably Brian George wasn't available during filming - he does a lot of guest roles and VO work. Remember in Babylon 5 when General Haig was killed on his way to station when fighting broke out between his faction and Clark loyalists? He was meant to be in the episode where B5 declared independence, but the actor was working on the DS9 2-parter where he plays an admiral who stages a coup. His agent double-booked him by mistake, and he had to choose the better-paying job.
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Presumably Brian George wasn't available during filming - he does a lot of guest roles and VO work. Remember in Babylon 5 when General Haig was killed on his way to station when fighting broke out between his faction and Clark loyalists? He was meant to be in the episode where B5 declared independence, but the actor was working on the DS9 2-parter where he plays an admiral who stages a coup. His agent double-booked him by mistake, and he had to choose the better-paying job.
It's available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9WkQTzAcYk
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Presumably Brian George wasn't available during filming - he does a lot of guest roles and VO work. Remember in Babylon 5 when General Haig was killed on his way to station when fighting broke out between his faction and Clark loyalists? He was meant to be in the episode where B5 declared independence, but the actor was working on the DS9 2-parter where he plays an admiral who stages a coup. His agent double-booked him by mistake, and he had to choose the better-paying job.
I liked him I B5 but loved the double patter in DS9 one twisted broken admiral
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So we have something to look forward to...
(Personally can't wait. Looks like it's going to be epic!)
https://youtu.be/caLji74IIp4 (https://youtu.be/caLji74IIp4)
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I was not expecting them to do such a straight adaptation of book 5, but I recognised scenes from pretty much every character arc in the novel.
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Two updates on The Expanse.
1. Similar to The Boys, the first three episodes of series 5 will drop on December 16th, with episodes 4-10 being added weekly thereafter.
2. Series 6 has been green-lit and is in pre-production right now!
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Two updates on The Expanse.
1. Similar to The Boys, the first three episodes of series 5 will drop on December 16th, with episodes 4-10 being added weekly thereafter.
I really hate it when Amazon does this. I know they want to keep making viewers come back to their service, but they only started doing this when The Boys became a breakout hit. Typical behavior from them: they're essentially saying, "we're Amazon, so we can do whatever we want, and youre gonna have to put up with it."
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I really hate it when Amazon does this. I know they want to keep making viewers come back to their service, but they only started doing this when The Boys became a breakout hit. Typical behavior from them: they're essentially saying, "we're Amazon, so we can do whatever we want, and youre gonna have to put up with it."
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It'll also be a case of them staggering their releases so they can prepare the next release during the schedule instead of getting a spike in activity then fans moaning about the next season release
This way it gives them a few weeks to say OK our actors can take a break and do a press tour then jump back into it before they've released all of them in ten weeks
When we as viewers get to the end they can say we're already in preproduction stick with us fans then we'll wait another 8 months its just good business
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I really hate it when Amazon does this. I know they want to keep making viewers come back to their service, but they only started doing this when The Boys became a breakout hit. Typical behavior from them: they're essentially saying, "we're Amazon, so we can do whatever we want, and youre gonna have to put up with it."
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It's to keep it in the media cycle for longer. Reviews will be coming in for 7 weeks instead of 1, it'll be talked about on social media and forums for longer - hell, compare how much discussion each episode of series 1-3 got here compared to all of series 4.
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It's going to be great. Looking forward to this.
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It's going to be great. Looking forward to this.
Yep. For people who've read the books, they know this is when stuff starts to get crazy.
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I really hate it when Amazon does this. I know they want to keep making viewers come back to their service, but they only started doing this when The Boys became a breakout hit. Typical behavior from them: they're essentially saying, "we're Amazon, so we can do whatever we want, and youre gonna have to put up with it."
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This is nothing new, Prime has usually dropped shows one episode at a time like HBO.
All-at-once is Netflix.
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That's a recent change for Prime, though.
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This is nothing new, Prime has usually dropped shows one episode at a time like HBO.
All-at-once is Netflix.
All episodes of Season 1 of The Boys were released at the same day- same as their other Prime series lineup like The Man in the High Castle- all 4 seasons. Same with Season 4 of The Expanse- all released on the same day when they acquired it from SyFy.
Amazon then decided to change things so they could make more money, thats it- they always do stuff like this.
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That's a recent change for Prime, though.
For the show only season 4 was different, season 1-3 all was weekly releases on Syfy, season 4 was all-at-once on Prime, now they are back to the old weekly schedule. :)
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I injured my neck last week and had to spend much of the last 4 days not moving very much. I ended up watching the Electric Dreams anthology on Prime. Out of the 10 or so shows watched. Only about 2-3 of them were really a good story. Why are all the sci fi shows now dystopian futures where everyone's furniture is made of concrete?
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Because people have stopped being optimistic about the future.
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Amazon then decided to change things so they could make more money, thats it- they always do stuff like this.
The dog asked "why did you sting me, now we'll both drown" And the scorpion said "It's my nature"
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The dog asked "why did you sting me, now we'll both drown" And the scorpion said "It's my nature"
I think you overestimate the instant-gratification-crowd.
As I mentioned above, a weekly release has been the norm for the Expanse, only season 4 was the odd duck for that show.
Plenty of shows manage to run and keep running on weekly release schedules on online services.
If you are too cheap to watch it as it's being released, just wait until feb and binge-watch it.
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I think you overestimate the instant-gratification-crowd.
As I mentioned above, a weekly release has been the norm for the Expanse, only season 4 was the odd duck for that show.
Plenty of shows manage to run and keep running on weekly release schedules on online services.
If you are too cheap to watch it as it's being released, just wait until feb and binge-watch it.
Well my point is more if Amazon are doing this to get more money, then yes, it's what they do, they're a corporation.
They're clearly experimenting with different release schedules at the moment - all their shows were dropping on a single day for a year or two, and now they're trialling this three episodes then weekly thereafter model with The Boys series 2 and The Expanse series 5, it's a middle ground between Netflix's all in one go model (with caveats for shows they license from other sources) and CBS All-Access and other services doing weekly episodes. Streaming services don't work on an advertising model (with caveats like Hulu or the cheap CBS All-Access model), so Amazon and Netflix especially want to gain new subscribers and retain present ones. It's still a new business model and there's a lot of experimentation, and a lot of it is highly cynical, like Netflix cancelling a lot of shows after a couple of series because they're not drawing in new subscribers any more. Amazon's new scheduling experiment is more of the same.
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I dont mind once a week epsidoes. I just don't like it when it was done to Discovery when they took a huge break between episodes in Season 1, almost 2 months. Did you go thru the pain of cancelling or just paid it for the 2 months.
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It's still a new business model and there's a lot of experimentation, and a lot of it is highly cynical, like Netflix cancelling a lot of shows after a couple of series because they're not drawing in new subscribers any more. Amazon's new scheduling experiment is more of the same.
Why is cancelling a show that doesn't generate the income needed to film it cynical? It's standard business practice for the entertainment industry and has been for as long as there has been television.
If you don't like a weekly schedule just wait and then subscribe for month and get all the episodes in february. It's common practice amongst lots of people who don't want to subscribe for the weekly episode drop. People did it with GoT and other shows.
One thing that using a weekly release schedule does is create lots more buzz about the show for a longer period. I did miss being able to dicuss this weeks episode with friends and colleagues when shows drop all at once, because people were on different episodes all the time.
Also, the point of the entertainment business is to create revenue - that we're being entertained is just a benefit but their goal is to make a profit on each show. Not enough viewers to justify the cost of the show and it'll be cancelled.
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Why is cancelling a show that doesn't generate the income needed to film it cynical? It's standard business practice for the entertainment industry and has been for as long as there has been television.
If you don't like a weekly schedule just wait and then subscribe for month and get all the episodes in february. It's common practice amongst lots of people who don't want to subscribe for the weekly episode drop. People did it with GoT and other shows.
One thing that using a weekly release schedule does is create lots more buzz about the show for a longer period. I did miss being able to dicuss this weeks episode with friends and colleagues when shows drop all at once, because people were on different episodes all the time.
Also, the point of the entertainment business is to create revenue - that we're being entertained is just a benefit but their goal is to make a profit on each show. Not enough viewers to justify the cost of the show and it'll be cancelled.
Netflix seems to have a pattern of cancelling almost everything after a year or two though, including shows they claim themselves are popular.
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THere are no statistics in Netflix's webpage, so you need ot take what they say is popular with some caution, as I am sure you do.
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THere are no statistics in Netflix's webpage, so you need ot take what they say is popular with some caution, as I am sure you do.
They do a top 10 now, but there's no solid numbers against them. So who knows if it's genuine or not.
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The dog asked "why did you sting me, now we'll both drown" And the scorpion said "It's my nature"
LOL Yeah, I know, thats why I said Amazon does this all the time.
As an author that gets a nice monthly paycheck from them, this isnt the first time they suddenly pull the rug out from under me. Their attitude has always been profits for themselves first- I just dont like it when they do these things and imply that one has to put up with it because hey, theyre one of the biggest companies in the world, so they could care less about the little guys.
And the reasoning about weekly releases giving more people time to talk about it is bogus, because Netflix's shows like Stranger Things, for example, do get talked about all year.
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Because people have stopped being optimistic about the future.
Yeah and that is exactly the reason I want some of my scifi to be a bit optimistic. If I want reality I can walk out my door. Like Vince Neil said when referring to grunge music "people dont need to be continually reminded on how crappy life is"
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Tell me about it.
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Manga/Anime has had a depressing streak about the future for a long time. Starting with classics like Akira, Ghost in the Shell and the like. Sometimes is an outside force that comes and smashes humankind (and all other things in the planet) and sometimes it is just humans playing stupid (been doing some of that for a long time after all). But yes, now it seems to be THE trend instead of A trend among many.
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I think a lot of the distopia trend happened with the 90s Outer Limits reboot. I used to like that show but now I realize (and i have also seen plenty of reruns of it to verify) that every episode the moral of the story was "no matter how hard you try, you will fail and we're all doomed"
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dystopian futures are also easier and cheaper to produce.
a) a dystopia usually has already baked in a lot of drama hooks into the universe definition, easy starting points for the writers.
b) a dystopia needs fewer explanations why day to day elements aren't as futuristic as the time difference from the present would suggest. Also you can hide easily a lack of details of tunnels/colonies/star ship interiors in darkness and dirt.
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dystopian futures are also easier and cheaper to produce.
a) a dystopia usually has already baked in a lot of drama hooks into the universe definition, easy starting points for the writers.
b) a dystopia needs fewer explanations why day to day elements aren't as futuristic as the time difference from the present would suggest. Also you can hide easily a lack of details of tunnels/colonies/star ship interiors in darkness and dirt.
They are also a lot easier to relate to. Even in the greatest of golden age, people will see the problems with society, trends or relics that will lead down a dark path. Dystopian futures really only require exaggeration of these factors to be realistic and engaging.
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Plus, the Expanse is largely about people coming together in the face of great threats and gradually coming out of the dystopia. The setting is bleak to give the protagonists something to save. It's the same with the modern Trek shows - Discovery series 1 (and probably 3) and Picard are all about the heroes fighting to preserve a utopia from encroaching darkness.
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speaking of expanse any word on if there will be 5th season or we are just left hanging about the builders?
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speaking of expanse any word on if there will be 5th season or we are just left hanging about the builders?
Series 5 episodes 1-3 will be on Amazon on December 16th, with episodes 4-10 weekly after that. Series 6 is apparently in pre-production now.
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Series 5 episodes 1-3 will be on Amazon on December 16th, with episodes 4-10 weekly after that. Series 6 is apparently in pre-production now.
excellent news..
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So it seems one of the staples of a distopia sci fi setting is usually a holodeck or some sort of VR world where characters go to escape. The most recent example I saw was an episode of electric dreams where the main character was running in a treadmill inside some sort of 360 projection to help her pretend she was in a snowy forest running. After sitting in front of a 4K TV with nothing but youtube beach scenes on, I am starting to see its appeal...
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To be fair, holodecks are staples of sci-fi in general, especially stuff from the 80s when holographic stuff was all the rage.
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Seasons 7-9 will pose some challenges. But worth it, just for the last chapter of book 8 ... >:D
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Well. Looks like we're only getting 6 seasons. Wonder where in the books they're calling it quits?
https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/en/press-release/amazon-studios-picks-up-fan-favorite-sci-fi-s (https://press.amazonstudios.com/us/en/press-release/amazon-studios-picks-up-fan-favorite-sci-fi-s)
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Book 6 would be a logical ending point
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Yeah.
Maybe one day they can do big event movies for the rest. One can dream.
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Or even a sequel TV show in a few years. Be nice if it happened but I definitely felt like the end of book 6 was written to be a conclusion in case they couldn't cross the tees and dot the lower case jays
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Just glad it's going 6 seasons. I was late to the Expanse party, but so glad I watched it.
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There are certain conditions - the time jump - that would make seasons 7-9 a challenge, true.
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So....what's everyone's opinion on those first 3 episodes?
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I want the next episode!!
Very good start, stuff happening. Fun stuff.
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I was very impressed from a technical standpoint - some breathtaking shots in there, especially the ship landing on Luna, the looks inside Tycho's dock and cargo spaces, and Alex's ex's neighbourhood on Mars looks exactly like I pictured it from the books. There's a great blink and you'll miss it moment in episode 1 where Avasarala pours a drink in lunar gravity and it's really well done.
Story-wise it's pretty much what I expected from the books. Amos' bits were probably my favourite, it's a shame we saw so little of Naomi's arc in these three episodes, not surprised that Drummer continues to absorb other Belter characters from the books, basically taking on Pa's arc from book 5 (and it was interesting that they kept the polyamory stuff from the books for the show), interesting that they've made Admiral Sauveterre more of a figure in the show. And I was totally expecting episode 3 to end where it did.
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I enjoyed the first 3 epsiodes. They were pretty neat, lots of world building....just to destroy it all!!!
I liked the Mars stuff and Amos was pure awesome acting.
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so show had not lost steam so far?usually shows begin a slow agonizing death no matter how well they were by season 4
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so show had not lost steam so far?usually shows begin a slow agonizing death no matter how well they were by season 4
Source materials helped in this case. The book series ramped up and up, so the show was able to ramp up and up.
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so show had not lost steam so far?usually shows begin a slow agonizing death no matter how well they were by season 4
Well, they have a definitive finish line. That should help them keep up quality. Only one more season before the permanent hiatus.
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Well, they have a definitive finish line. That should help them keep up quality. Only one more season before the permanent hiatus.
good usually by 7th seaason show if it does not finish by then ends up dying a horrid death that destroys the fan base as much as possible
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The Expanse has a lot of book support to help the show because it's already written, don't get to far with its self like Game of Thrones. 7 Seasons would be great and that is usually the cutoff, Season 8 of shows is usually bad and is usally the end. Dr House, Game of Thones Season 8 were just really tough. Dr Who changed main person so it's like a whole new show when they get a new Doctor.
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This season was a little slow in the middle, but ended well.
And it looks they aren’t recasting Alex for next season...
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And it looks they aren’t recasting Alex for next season...
Well, he was accused of sexual harassment and assault. It's sad that the actor was acting the way he was and caused this problem for scenarists. It will be hard to see Season 6 without Alex
Even though season 6 will be last I am glad that I saw this awesome show. It prompted me to read books. Now I am reading Caliban's War. Some characters have a different feeling in books.
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I thought the way they shot Naomi's rescue scene (in space) was perfect. I love the perspective of it.
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This reply contains mild Book spoilers up to Tiamat's Wrath, so don't read this unless you've read them.
We finished watching the season last night. I have to agree that it wasn't nearly as strong as previous seasons. Part of that was the nature of the material - splitting up the crew meant that if you're not equally invested in all of the Big Four then there are going to be stretches where you might start glancing at your watch. And for our household those stretches involved Naomi. And let's face it, if you're not a Naomi fan then Season Five is going to be a bad time.
And it's a shame, because I like Book Naomi. And we both liked early seasons Naomi. But the show's depiction of the Holden/Naomi relationship just hasn't worked for us. There's been more chemistry between Holden and Monica in a handful of episodes than in the entirety of the show's run so far and I think the producers realized that, which is why they brought her back to give Holden someone to play off of this season.
Regarding the Alex situation - I get why they did what they did, and I get why they did it how they did given the complexities of trying to adapt to the situation in the middle of a pandemic, but it still rankles. We're divided on who gets to be the new pilot of the Roci now. I'd like to see Bull stick around, but Clarissa is a qualified pilot as well...
The politics with Avasarala on the moon felt like filter, sadly. Mostly time spent maneuvering the character out of a position they didn't need to maneuver her into in the first place. (That and keeping her hands clean wrt Earth's escalation of the conflict with the Belt.)
Every scene with Amos was a treasure. Enough said.
Can we talk about Drummer of Borg? I like the character. I like the actress. But man, by this point she is an amalgamation of at least 3 book characters and the contortions needed to keep getting her into the right place for the new season are noticeable.
Finally, given the announcement of S6 being the last, I'm honestly surprised they chose to include as much of the Duarte/Laconia storyline as they did. Gives me hope that the rumors about concluding the story via film have some basis.
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This reply contains mild Book spoilers up to Tiamat's Wrath, so don't read this unless you've read them.
We finished watching the season last night. I have to agree that it wasn't nearly as strong as previous seasons. Part of that was the nature of the material - splitting up the crew meant that if you're not equally invested in all of the Big Four then there are going to be stretches where you might start glancing at your watch. And for our household those stretches involved Naomi. And let's face it, if you're not a Naomi fan then Season Five is going to be a bad time.
And it's a shame, because I like Book Naomi. And we both liked early seasons Naomi. But the show's depiction of the Holden/Naomi relationship just hasn't worked for us. There's been more chemistry between Holden and Monica in a handful of episodes than in the entirety of the show's run so far and I think the producers realized that, which is why they brought her back to give Holden someone to play off of this season.
Regarding the Alex situation - I get why they did what they did, and I get why they did it how they did given the complexities of trying to adapt to the situation in the middle of a pandemic, but it still rankles. We're divided on who gets to be the new pilot of the Roci now. I'd like to see Bull stick around, but Clarissa is a qualified pilot as well...
The politics with Avasarala on the moon felt like filter, sadly. Mostly time spent maneuvering the character out of a position they didn't need to maneuver her into in the first place. (That and keeping her hands clean wrt Earth's escalation of the conflict with the Belt.)
Every scene with Amos was a treasure. Enough said.
Can we talk about Drummer of Borg? I like the character. I like the actress. But man, by this point she is an amalgamation of at least 3 book characters and the contortions needed to keep getting her into the right place for the new season are noticeable.
Finally, given the announcement of S6 being the last, I'm honestly surprised they chose to include as much of the Duarte/Laconia storyline as they did. Gives me hope that the rumors about concluding the story via film have some basis.
I haven't read the books yet, so don't have anything to compare the show to. Maybe that helps, because to me this season has been the strongest yet. Every episode has been keeping me on the edge of my seat. Would say they did a really good job balancing all of the different plot strands.
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If next season truly is the last, I expect they will not have Holden get captured, or the giant time jump, and probably have the entire season take place in the Sol system against the Laconian fleet, and somehow the enemy aliens show up and get magically defeated.
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I'm guessing the final series will just be a straight up adaptation of Babylon's Ashes, and they're going to try and do a sequel show or movie series to do books 7-9
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The season end of 5 was such a great episode and ending for a season. It solved some of the season, and opened many other doors. I know season 6 and later in the show is n the books, so maybe I got to get reading.
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Welp, we finished binge watching S5 and I think its the best season since Season 1. I liked that they went back to the socio-pollitical intrigue instead of the ancient aliens stuff.
Chrisjen remains my favorite character because she reminds me of Cersei Lanister/ Daenerys of GoT so it was great to see her taking on a bigger role this season. I dont have much sympathy for the Roci crew (except for Bobie Draper), so Alex's death didnt affect me.
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Finally finished the season having not read the books I'd base it purely on the show and I enjoyed it
It was weird having them all split up but at the same time it made it interesting gone are the previous seasons of Roci against all or on a planet all day instead it took it back to the first season with several stories going off at once which I liked
The Roci storyline was good I like Bull, I'd like the reporter to stick about, and the battle sequences though few were stunning
Amos is a treasure to the series it was just great every scene and most of them he didn't even have a gun or beat anyone up
Bobbie I felt was underused her mars storyline was alright but there was little stopping the momentum and it was a good resolution to Alex's arc with the actors personal issues instead of a gun fight which he wasn't known for simply something we could all face under stress I liked that
Naomis arc was pretty brutal constantly fighting a losing personal battle then the transit between ships finally fighting CO2 poisioning and exhaustion it was excruciating to watch with no other character to counter it. Other Sci fi would have a character in her head appear to drive her on but instead all she had was her own computerised voice as a motivator
Drummer too seemed to be slipping away into dispare only to pull it back while still losing part of herself great arc
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I'm guessing the final series will just be a straight up adaptation of Babylon's Ashes, and they're going to try and do a sequel show or movie series to do books 7-9
apparently the writers are calling the stop after season 6 a "pause" (https://www.polygon.com/2020/12/10/22167489/the-expanse-season-6-canceled-or-season-7-beyond-plans) rather than a cancellation. so i'd guess that while it isn't immediately on the books, they're prepared to pick it up again if someone picks up the budget.
given there is a major timeskip i could see the later material being used for a sequel series. i could also see a network deciding to wait until the next books are out for a full story arc, and to see how the show's fanbase sticks around or not after no new material is incoming.
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Granted, I havent read the books and my knowledge is probably incomplete, but I found the scenes on Earth after the asteroid attacks to be peculiar. It seems the entire world became a devastated, post-apocalyptic wasteland. What about the other continents? How come everyone is fleeing to the Moon?
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In the books, the attacks are far more devastating than described in the TV series. Basically, it's a global "asteroid winter" - pretty much everywhere is shrouded in ash & smoke, minimal food growth, devastation of supply chains, and most of the Earth fleet (IIRC) is roped into just trying to lift survivors off Earth.
I'm wondering if they're going to compact what we know from books 7 & 8 into series 6? That "pause" would allow the ... adjustments required by the time skip required.
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Well that would make more sense with regards to their motivations to leave Earth. When it was mentioned that tens of millions had died I didnt think it was that devastating since Earth's current population is several billion. If they had said hundreds of millions dead then it would have been a more serious event from a viewer's perspective.
Also, there was mention that Mars had been attacked too, but it was never shown. I would guess an impact would be less devastating since their habitats are airtight and mostly separated, but Im just speculating.
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The way everyone from the writers to the cast are being so coy abouut future Expanse productions has me thinking something is on the horizon. But I doubt it would be a full season per book again. Maybe feature length specials for the last 3 books?
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I've watched the first few episodes of "Resident Alien" kinda funny, but I think it will run its course in about 10 episodes (it will for me at least).
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I've watched the first few episodes of "Resident Alien" kinda funny, but I think it will run its course in about 10 episodes (it will for me at least).
try the comic book
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Series 6 trailer is up, kicking off on December 10th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PJpkGPtAHE
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Series 6 trailer is up, kicking off on December 10th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PJpkGPtAHE
Can't wait for Season 6, too bad its going to be a shorter season. It can't come soon enough.
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It occurs to me that The Expanse could wind up being the first TV show set in space that actually has scenes filmed in space.
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Can't wait for Season 6, too bad its going to be a shorter season. It can't come soon enough.
A normal season is 12-13 eps, with one season iirc of 10 eps.. How much shorter are they going to make it?
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A normal season is 12-13 eps, with one season iirc of 10 eps.. How much shorter are they going to make it?
I don't think it's been confirmed anywhere, but the shooting time for series 6 was much shorter, rumour is it's going to be 6 episodes.
(and both prior amazon series were 10 episodes)
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Wow.. SIX eps? Almost not worth the bother.
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Wow.. SIX eps? Almost not worth the bother.
Maybe we'll get longer eps, akin to the last season of Game of Thrones? It perhaps just means more CGI scenes, as they'd have been easier to do than actually film stuff thanks to covid.
Chris
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It looks like Eaglemoss/Hero Collector has their "Ships of the Expanse" collection started. The Roci is up for pre-order.
https://shop.eaglemoss.com/us/hero-collector/the-expanse-rocinante-ship (https://shop.eaglemoss.com/us/hero-collector/the-expanse-rocinante-ship)
Slightly tangential, but I finally got my KS stuff from Idea Panet Launch and their Roci model is just...glorious! It's huge and very highly detailed. The only thing I would knock on it is that the display stand they designed for it is just rubbish.
(On a further tangent, IPL just launched a KS for a model of the Citadel from "Mass Effect". Which looks amazing.)
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I'd rather have 6 good episodes that stays focused on the main story than 12 bad eps with mostly filler time (Marvel Netflix shows, I'm looking at you!)...
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I'd rather have 6 good episodes that stays focused on the main story than 12 bad eps with mostly filler time (Marvel Netflix shows, I'm looking at you!)...
You can see in the 3rd season that there were 2 stories over the season.
Im all about having all awesome and no filler. Just wish it was more than 6 episodes.
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I'd rather 10 good eps....
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Slightly tangential, but I finally got my KS stuff from Idea Panet Launch and their Roci model is just...glorious! It's huge and very highly detailed. The only thing I would knock on it is that the display stand they designed for it is just rubbish.
(On a further tangent, IPL just launched a KS for a model of the Citadel from "Mass Effect". Which looks amazing.)
Is this an actual model you need to assemble or paint, or just a display piece? I'd be interested in the former; the latter not so much.
Damon.
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Is this an actual model you need to assemble or paint, or just a display piece? I'd be interested in the former; the latter not so much.
Damon.
No, it came fully assembled and painted.
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Of course, noting is stopping you from taking an X-acto knife to it and customizing to your heart's content... ^-^
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Of course, noting is stopping you from taking an X-acto knife to it and customizing to your heart's content... ^-^
Or use a sledgehammer... :D
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the full trailer is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb01ds-4IC4
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They have to be planning a sequel if they're including that last shot.
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They have to be planning a sequel if they're including that last shot.
No kidding. Wow.
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they should stick to rule of 7 finish it at 7 seasons and make a movie once in a blue moon
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Looks good.
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they should stick to rule of 7 finish it at 7 seasons and make a movie once in a blue moon
They're stopping at book 6, for perfectly good reasons. Books 7-9 contain some fundamental changes, as well as a substantial time jump for the characters.
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is it December 10th yet??? Such a great trailer.
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They're stopping at book 6, for perfectly good reasons. Books 7-9 contain some fundamental changes, as well as a substantial time jump for the characters.
Sounds good to me. THough i DO wish they would do one season per book.
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Sounds good to me. THough i DO wish they would do one season per book.
They've been doing that since series 4 - they did a speedrun through book 3 in the back half of series 3 and it's been one for one since then.
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While we're waiting for the new series to drop, Imma just going to leave this here...
https://youtu.be/9QaV_A453SA (https://youtu.be/9QaV_A453SA)
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I'd much prefer an expanse game focused more on ship to ship combat..
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I'd much prefer an expanse game focused more on ship to ship combat..
So a modified version of Attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_Vector:_Tactical) Vector: (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6767/attack-vector-tactical) Tactical (http://www.star-ranger.com/AttackVector.htm)?
One key is that heat doesn't seem to be as big of an issue for Expanse, there are no energy weapons, railguns fire single shots (instead of clusters), and the miniguns appear to be both point defense and offense.
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There hasn't been an official statement yet, but apparently Amazon are planning an Expanse movie and a sequel TV series. Apparently this is a rights thing, if they'd renewed the original show again it would have involved Syfy in some capacity but a brand new show cuts them out of the deal.
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And turns out the rumours are untrue, that or Ty Franck is doing a good poker face
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Just read this. Never really paid attention to the X-Ray thing to be honest. Wonder what other shows hide content in it...
https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/24/22851119/the-expanse-season-6-final-amazon-x-ray (https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/24/22851119/the-expanse-season-6-final-amazon-x-ray)
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Just read this. Never really paid attention to the X-Ray thing to be honest. Wonder what other shows hide content in it...
https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/24/22851119/the-expanse-season-6-final-amazon-x-ray (https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/24/22851119/the-expanse-season-6-final-amazon-x-ray)
I just found out about that earlier today on someone's podcast.....got to check this out.
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More reasons for me, to hate on streaming services..
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More reasons for me, to hate on streaming services..
It's no different than easter eggs on DVDs.
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I did like the battle between the ships in Episode 3, the spin and fire of the rail gun was awesome. The space battle scenes in the Expanse are some of the best in all of sci-fi and use zero's maneuvering, not flying around like a normal airplane dog fight and passing each other like a ship of the line.
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Watching a # of vids on youtube about the expanse, That's one of the most OFTEN Remarked things.. That THIS SHOW is one of the few, that really gets space combat right...
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I did like the battle between the ships in Episode 3, the spin and fire of the rail gun was awesome. The space battle scenes in the Expanse are some of the best in all of sci-fi and use zero's maneuvering, not flying around like a normal airplane dog fight and passing each other like a ship of the line.
I loved that fight I kept expecting torpedo strikes but instead the rail gun use was really cool.
The chase in the previous episode with the two ships zigging and zapping as the Rocinate maneuvered into place for boarding was cool too
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I'd love to see a deckplan for the rossie, to see how big it is, in comparison TO those torps/missiles, and where it stores them all... It can't have much more than 2 dozen...... at full capacity.
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This is the book version of the ship rather than the TV show, from the RPG:
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Rc9i12FOJ6e66uDVHwsnVJan0WE=/0x0:2513x3076/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:2513x3076):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/21899035/GRR6604_ShipsOfTheExpanse_Preview_Rocinante_1_.jpg)
And IIRC she carries about 12 torpedoes, it's mentioned that 6 is about half the load in Babylon's Ashes
Scratch that, I double checked and the the novel version of last week's battle states that 5 torpedoes is a quarter of the total payload, so 20 total.
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With the railgun refitted to the hull I'd assume its magazine is part of the weapon so its anyone's guess at the number of shots it has
That said one thing about the Expanse regardless of season length they make a point at showing ships need replenished there's no magic off screen new ammo
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The image isn't showing for me... is anyone else having that problem? ???
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The image isn't showing for me... is anyone else having that problem? ???
You can find it in this article if it doesn't show: https://www.polygon.com/2020/9/21/21449127/ships-of-the-expanse-rpg-book-rocinante-deck-plan
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Thanks for the link, I can see it there! :thumbsup:
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Yikes! And now that I look at that map closely, there isn't anywhere enough auxiliary machinery (life support, anyone?)...
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Yikes! And now that I look at that map closely, there isn't anywhere enough auxiliary machinery (life support, anyone?)...
Not to mention what had to be removed to later fit in the railgun
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With the railgun refitted to the hull I'd assume its magazine is part of the weapon so its anyone's guess at the number of shots it has
That said one thing about the Expanse regardless of season length they make a point at showing ships need replenished there's no magic off screen new ammo
YEa, we saw it once already (S3 where they scavenged that destroyed MCR ship, rescuing those 3 martians, who Bobby helped disarm), though we didn't see them re-arm up with ammo, AFTER the battle over IO, where they drained out all their ammo for their PDC's..
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The deck plans from the game and the other books are not as 100% as what is on the show, but gives a great reference point. Some of the larger ships and ideas are different.
But the Expanse TV and the other writings are really close to the same.
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Well...that was a ride. Rather sorry its finished now...
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The show ended on a high note. It helped bring people together. Like bringing Admiral Ackbar, Lone Starr, Starbuck, and Sara Connor together as a sci-fi super hero squad. Hopefully the NSEA Protector crew can get past the loss of their Commander.
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That was great, but there are unresolved storylines...I sense there is going to be something after this.
Damon.
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Maybe in 5-6 years more, they will restart it, with book 7, since that supposedly is 30 YEARS LATER in time.
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That was great, but there are unresolved storylines...I sense there is going to be something after this.
They certainly left it open to something more (as they should, there's three more novels). Depends on whether they feel they can make enough money off of it.
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Maybe in 5-6 years more, they will restart it, with book 7, since that supposedly is 30 YEARS LATER in time.
That's a vile lie... It's 28 years!
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What of those other books, like the ones that focused on some of the key characters back stories or side lines...
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There's a bunch of short stories, many of them have been adapted into the show - Fred's backplot in series 1, the development of the Epstein Drive, Bobbie dealing with drug dealers on Mars, and the stuff on Laconia this year are all from short stories. All the stories bar the one from the RPG are getting released in a collection later in the year along with an epilogue story.
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All the SF references on the status board in the last episode:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJJYx_8XoAQfM1w.jpg)
K Garrity, H Ochai, and R Levine are martial arts instructors who taught Naren Shankar. Whoever did this key likely mistook K Garrity for Shannon Garrity.
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Nice work, whoever put that together! 8)
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That shot was pretty awesome!!
Great last episode ...some of it was a little predictable but still a great end of a show.
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We binged it over 2 days and... I thought it was okay. I felt it kinda ended with a whimper than a bang, but I guess its alright.
There is a huge cliffhanger with regards to those kids in the colony though. I thought it was a disservice to leave it unresolved.
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We binged it over 2 days and... I thought it was okay. I felt it kinda ended with a whimper than a bang, but I guess its alright.
There is a huge cliffhanger with regards to those kids in the colony though. I thought it was a disservice to leave it unresolved.
They're leaving things open for a sequel. If you want to know what happens to the kids right now, they show up again in the novels.
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They're leaving things open for a sequel. If you want to know what happens to the kids right now, they show up again in the novels.
Thats where I have a problem with this. If youre gonna end a series, then you ought to tie off all major loose ends. You shouldnt require a viewer to have to go into the books or some other medium just to clarify what was seen on TV. They shouldnt have bothered putting in that whole sequence if they couldnt end it properly.
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Thats where I have a problem with this. If youre gonna end a series, then you ought to tie off all major loose ends. You shouldnt require a viewer to have to go into the books or some other medium just to clarify what was seen on TV. They shouldnt have bothered putting in that whole sequence if they couldnt end it properly.
I'd argue that at this point, Cara and Xan's story isn't a major loose end. And the damage was done regarding Laconia in series 5 given they showed Coratázar there talking about the shipyards just before the Barkeith got eaten.
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Thats where I have a problem with this. If youre gonna end a series, then you ought to tie off all major loose ends. You shouldnt require a viewer to have to go into the books or some other medium just to clarify what was seen on TV. They shouldnt have bothered putting in that whole sequence if they couldnt end it properly.
I agree. I hated it, how Stargate universe ended, as it left a lot open. If you're ending it, and KNOW that end is coming, its poor writing imo, to NOT 'wrap it up'..
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I think Season 6 ended pretty quick and needed at least 2 more episodes. But for some reason it was only 6.
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I think Season 6 ended pretty quick...
Unfortunately, a recurring theme throughout the series.
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I'd argue that at this point, Cara and Xan's story isn't a major loose end.
Getting physically resurrected by aliens is a pretty big deal, imo. To leave that just hanging there is... baffling to me.
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Getting physically resurrected by aliens is a pretty big deal, imo. To leave that just hanging there is... baffling to me.
Yeah, but their story is at a semi-natural end with what's on-screen.
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Yeah, but their story is at a semi-natural end with what's on-screen.
Not really. The final scene with the two kids was like a million questions being asked but never answered.
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Anyone seen Season 5 yet, on DVD??
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Yeah, but their story is at a semi-natural end with what's on-screen.
my understanding is that it plays into the laconia storylines in the later books after the timeskip. so basically, fodder for a sequel series.
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They left the story open because they are trying to do later books but there is a hugeneral time jump. The current actors wouldn't look right with aged on screen.
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I'm thinking that animation could be the only way to handle it. Plus Cara and Xar are "out of their time" in the TV series.
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So, after buying all six seasons, i decided to give it a re-watch all the way through.. Finally saw season 5, and WOW.. Alex dead, and as for Amos.. Loved the stuff with him in baltimore.. Though what is it with him, and his pet names..
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I don't know if it would break forum rules, so I won't link it, but there is an official Expanse Kickstarter that just started. For a comic book set between books 6 and 7. (Though I'm no sure if it will follow the books or the show continuity.)
With the upcoming BattleTech KS, I'll have to pass on this one. (Plus, for the amounts that they are asking for in the different pledge levels I just don' think they are worth it.)
Anyway just thought some of you guys might be interested.
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It's following the show's continuity - Alex isn't in it, but I think the idea is to have the events be feasible to be in the interregnum in both cases.
And as with other Boom Kickstarters, the shipping price is so high it'll be cheaper for me to get the three trades when they hit retail, and it's already funded so shrug emoji.
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It's following the show's continuity - Alex isn't in it, but I think the idea is to have the events be feasible to be in the interregnum in both cases.
And as with other Boom Kickstarters, the shipping price is so high it'll be cheaper for me to get the three trades when they hit retail, and it's already funded so shrug emoji.
Yeah. I was looking at the higher tier rewards and honestly...they just don't seem worth it for what they are asking for. I got the Galaxy level pledge for the last BattleTech KS, and got sooo much more than what they are offering for their comparable pledge level. I normally love getting exclusive merch for my fan stuff, but these just don't feel like they are offering enough for what asking to pay. (And now I realize I never did remember to turn in my canon character papers...oops. 😅)
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Holy heck! I just checked what the backer tiers for that were and yeah, I'm amazed at how little is in the higher tiers given what they're charging for them.
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Along with the SyFy getting back into sci-fi....I was told The Ark is pretty good sci-fi.