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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #630 on: 15 June 2019, 17:02:31 »
Does the Marian Hegemony give 50 acres (or whatever) of land to legionnaires after 20-30 years of service when they muster out to become reservists?

Would say that it depends on the social status of the legionnaire. In the Hegemony, social status is determined by owning land. You have land? You are a Patrician (and an officer if you are in the Legions). You dont have land? You are a plebian.

So far,  i did not found any mention of any Caesar giving land to the legionnaires.....but, if you check the HB:MPS, it is mentioned that Julius opened the chance to buy land again (after beign closed by 50 years, making patricianship hereditary during that time) in the new Illyrian and Lothian territories. And its implied that more than one plebian took the chance to invest some money on land (there is the mention of a very rich plebian Privateer that became patrician after buying 2 square meters of land in the Addhara badlands.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #631 on: 10 July 2019, 20:10:11 »
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Alpha Maniple: Light Century ( 2 Whitworth-1 *50PV, 2 Panther-8Z *40PV and 1 Wyvern-5N * 27PV ) and Heavy Century ( Thug-10E *39PV, Archer-2S *36PV, Hunchback-4J *31PV, Thunderbolt-, ( not sure -5D or -5S ? ) Phoenix Hawk-1K *29PV

Beta Maniple: Medium Century 2 Lancelot-25-03 *72PV and 3 Talos-1B *87PV ) and another Medium Century ( 3 Tiger Medium Tank T-12 *48PV, 2 Bulldog (LRM) *42PV )

Delta Maniple: Light Century ( Bulldog (LRM) *21PV, 4 Chi-Ha CCV *12PV ) and a Light Century ( Infantry- Ceremonial Guard Caesar's Royal Guard, Marian Hegemony *6PV  ( 100 troopers ).

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #632 on: 10 July 2019, 21:07:07 »
I would go Thunderbolt-5D as your Hunchback is a 4J model. For the final ‘Mech, maybe something more mobile to fill in holes where needed? Perhaps a salvaged Phoenix to be a bit untraditional? Or a SHD-2H Shadow Hawk that can provide both fire-support and close-in firepower.

As to the ‘Mechs to go with the Lancelot’s, I’d be very tempted by something else unusual: a trio of salvaged Talos medium BattleMechs.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #633 on: 10 July 2019, 21:28:17 »
Remind me what the 5D has again... that 5S has another PPC...

Nice idea on the triple Talos-1B!

Now how does it look? Or should I run a second Thud, just opposite?

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #634 on: 11 July 2019, 03:43:10 »
Remind me what the 5D has again... that 5S has another PPC...

Nice idea on the triple Talos-1B!

Now how does it look? Or should I run a second Thud, just opposite?

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The 5D is the new one with an AC/20.

And actually, I was thinking a salvaged or heirloom Phoenix, not Phoenix Hawk.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #635 on: 12 July 2019, 18:50:42 »
Thunderbolt 5S but I prefer troopers over specialized inits.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #636 on: 18 July 2019, 21:57:04 »
The Thud-5D has 3/3/1 includes AC2/2/-, IF1. PV35

The Thud-5S has 3/3/1 includes IF1. PV36

So I think I'll be going with 5D.

Alpha Maniple: Light Century ( 2 Whitworth-1 *50PV, 2 Panther-8Z *40PV and 1 Wyvern-5N * 27PV ) and Heavy Century ( Thug-10E *39PV, Archer-2S *36PV, Hunchback-4J *31PV, Thunderbolt-5D *35PV, Phoenix Hawk-1K *29PV )

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Delta Maniple: Light Century ( Bulldog (LRM) *21PV, 4 Chi-Ha CCV *12PV ) and a Light Century ( Infantry- Ceremonial Guard Caesar's Royal Guard, Marian Hegemony *6PV  ( 100 troopers ).

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #637 on: 10 September 2019, 13:44:08 »
Does the Marian Hegemony give 50 acres (or whatever) of land to legionnaires after 20-30 years of service when they muster out to become reservists?
I don’t think they ever did so as explicitly as Rome did, but in the early Marian efforts to colonize new worlds, it certainly seems logical to do so.  Setting plebeian veterans up with land on new world would quickly give you a cadre of loyal and capable social elites on the new colony that made sure no one got any funny ideas.  I suspect existing patricians would still want to send a few of their own along to be the real bigwigs, but there’d certainly be room for some veterans to make the jump up.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #638 on: 10 September 2019, 13:57:16 »
I also want to say it was a revolutionary idea during Roman times that was part of the reason they kept their conquered lands.  It provides a ready source of militia/reserve trained forces and helps build a civic mindset for the next generation.
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« Reply #639 on: 13 September 2019, 12:58:41 »
I also want to say it was a revolutionary idea during Roman times that was part of the reason they kept their conquered lands.  It provides a ready source of militia/reserve trained forces and helps build a civic mindset for the next generation.
also one of the reasons that when they stopped doing that in the 3rd century, the roman army's size and quality fell immensely, forcing them to resort to things like non-roman mercenaries and forcing the sons of soldiers to become soldiers.

though the downside of "50 acres and a mule" as a reward for service is that you always have a high demand for new land.. which led Rome to keep fighting wars of expansion and conquest. for the Marians a push for colonization would probably work, but that would draw a lot of their economy into supporting such ventures, which unlike with Rome would draw resources away from the military.

remind me, do the marians maintain 'auxilia' units of non-marian citizens serving for a chance to get Marian citizenship when they muster out? (historically that is how Rome filled its auxilia.. their non-italic allies and subjects would be offered full roman citizenship if they survived 25 years of service. since citizen status was inherited, it was a way for the empire's 2nd class populace to social climb.)

historically Rome used its Auxilia as support for the legions as well as garrison duty.. if the marians adopted a similar policy i could see them filling auxilia units with cheaper armor and conventional infantry. i could also see them doing lie kthe romans did, and ensuring that no auxilia unit serves in the same place its troops were recruited from. (the romans did it to ensure loyalty, to ensure that if an uprising or rebellion occured, the garrison would be harder to suborn. could see the Marian's adopting a similar principle.)
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #640 on: 13 September 2019, 14:20:05 »
Well, to be fair, with a smaller battle a Marian force could get more land (aka a planet) than a legion would end up with after winning a war.

TBH, I really wish some of this would be explored a bit more . . . acting as and using some of the systems from the Republic & early Empire periods would have helped establish the Hegemony early on.  The Romans had some excellent sociological 'technology' that put them ahead of their competitors.

More 'tech' the Marians could rip off

nature of citizenship-  as glitterboy mentioned, the ability to earn citizenship through military service gives it perhaps more value than places you do not.  The CapCon to me never had it very well spelled out how you could be a Citizen- interestingly the Republic adopted that rather than a FS/FWL/LC model but made it more concrete than the Cappies.  It works pretty well as part of diplomatic moves with the client state foreign policy

legion vs auxillia-  the use of citizen units & wannabe citizen units become rather useful for how society and government is arranged in the MH.  Again, it makes citizenship valuable and if only citizens can hold offices builds that value while encouraging military service by the ambitious.  The ambitious are safely inside and part of the establishment rather than becoming anti-establishment nodes.  Auxillia also help weaken client states and neighboring countries since it will draw off their ambitious individuals while draining their eligible military manpower.

client states-  subservient allies, sources of troops & future citizens who grow your own planets & economy.  A exercise in soft power because of your existing hard power.  With properly executed foreign policy you can eventually absorb the states peacefully.

legionnaire veterans-  colonists and a ready reserve of trained military power that settle into 'local' units, they help maintain the dominate culture as well as prepare the next generation of military manpower.

Failure to place the Illyrian legion somewhere else- or use them up to be cynical- is what allowed that conquest to be wasted.  Giving them mechs also helped create that problem . . . if they had only been shuffled around nearby, being limited to ICE tracks and infantry would keep the combat power from contesting a mech force asserting control.

But with how little we get on the MH, it really does not get into any sort of details to see how Roman they actually ended up.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #641 on: 13 September 2019, 19:02:42 »
Failure to place the Illyrian legion somewhere else- or use them up to be cynical- is what allowed that conquest to be wasted.  Giving them mechs also helped create that problem . . . if they had only been shuffled around nearby, being limited to ICE tracks and infantry would keep the combat power from contesting a mech force asserting control.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #642 on: 13 September 2019, 19:34:12 »
As Mekorig says there were Auxiliary Units and a Legio mostly Lotharian, not Illyrian, an estimate that the Ilyrians integrated in the MHAF are distributed in the different Legions and Auxilia

But as we always have little or no information of any kind because of the limited work given to the faction, except recently and to destroy it almost totally in a mad offensive, when until the previous book the Marian forces were entrenched and defensive.

As for the idea of nationality in exchange for serving in the MHAF, Long Term Mercs or long-term privateers bands in the Marian Hegemony, it is something that had already occurred to me and I took it in the Chronicle of A MH-centered Time of War that I have been running for almost two years
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #643 on: 25 December 2019, 11:47:33 »
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #644 on: 25 December 2019, 22:06:26 »
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #645 on: 09 March 2020, 08:26:42 »
Friends, Marians, Countrymen, lend me your beers!

No, really. This week has been a hell of a decade.

Next week's game at my flgs is going to be a large Solaris Battle Royale, with each player bringing a single mech up to 2,000 BV, pilot included. Of course, with the game landing on the Ides of March, I must do my duty and ensure the Hegemony's flag is properly represented in battle.

Any suggestions? My current thought is an Archer-6W, with a 3/3 pilot, but I'm open to any other ideas.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #646 on: 09 March 2020, 11:09:30 »
My initial reaction is Marauder II 4H . . . but it STARTS at 2180 so . . .

The next thought is the Centurion 9H . . . but to reach 2k BV you need a 0/1 pilot at 1959 . . . can you do enough damage with a LB-10X and RL10s that hit every time?

Then we get the proper choice . . . the Caesar!  So when/if you get knocked out you can turn to the player and say 'Eu tu Player?'  Either the 3S or 4S- 3S @ 4/5 is 1909 (LFE, HPPC, GR & ECM) or the 4S (HGR, LFE & Pulse) @ 3/5 w/2087 (if you be over a bit) or @ 4/4 1913.  Going old -3R at 3/5 gets you 1894 or (if over a bit) 3/4 @ 2083.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #647 on: 09 March 2020, 17:03:30 »
The Caesar does seem to be the appropriate choice.

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« Reply #648 on: 09 March 2020, 17:12:10 »
Tempting, though the fact that there Hegemony didn't have access to it is a strike against it...
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #649 on: 09 March 2020, 17:58:46 »
Hmmm...a Marian Cyclops with a 3/4 pilot is within the 50-point leeway we were given...
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« Reply #650 on: 09 March 2020, 21:21:10 »
Post Jihad they were buying anything they could get their hands on and refitting it.  Which does make it unlikely they could buy a salvage grade HGR carrier . . . but the -3R with thin skin & XL?  Definitely do-able to find it as salvage.
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« Reply #651 on: 09 March 2020, 22:15:36 »
I'm just going by the MUL.

I'm liking the Cyclops idea. Been meaning to paint mine up, so here's some motivation. Gonna call it Hadrian's Wallop. :)
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« Reply #652 on: 10 March 2020, 02:18:13 »
Easy to get a transverse crest onto a Cyclops ...
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« Reply #653 on: 10 March 2020, 09:27:09 »
Damn, I wish I'd thought of that before I started painting this thing!
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #654 on: 10 March 2020, 10:55:50 »
The MAD-9S seems like it’d be right up your alley: ECM, BAP, Flamer.  I suspect you could get up to all sorts of shenanigans.  Plus 2 ERPPCs and LBX10 main battery and a couple of ERMLs as backup.  1786 BV standard.


The WHM-8D is a solid, reliable design.  1744 BV.


The Royal Marauder (MAD-2R) is only 1630 BV.


All of those are straight off the MUL for the latest era.  I don’t BV balance often enough to remember the pilot multipliers, sorry.

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #655 on: 10 March 2020, 11:08:44 »
All of those are straight off the MUL for the latest era.  I don’t BV balance often enough to remember the pilot multipliers, sorry.

If you are looking at the MUL, just click the specific mech and it throws up the table.

Weirdo, will you at least name the mechwarrior for a Roman?
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« Reply #656 on: 10 March 2020, 11:22:27 »
I'm thinking Roman first name, generic family name. Very old patrician family, dating from the founding of the Hegemony, which is why they're influential enough to resist any calls to 'Romanize' their name. The current scion has the tactical acumen of a rhino, which is how the family mech got all the command gear blown out of it, necessitating a conversion to the -11-H. The pilot is happy with this configuration, as well as their current assignment as an enforcer within VI Legio.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #657 on: 10 March 2020, 12:11:26 »
Lol, I wonder if you would pick a Caesar or famous Roman and just start spouting Latin and Roman quotes . . . maybe make a fiddle joke if you manage to start someone burning.
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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
« Reply #658 on: 10 March 2020, 14:00:35 »
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* Because Battletech is a conspiracy by Habsburg & Bourbon pretenders - MadCapellan
* The Hellbringer is cool, either way. It's not cool because it's bad, it's cool because it's bad with balls - Nightsky
* It was a glorious time for people who felt that we didn't have enough Marauder variants - HABeas2, re "Empires Aflame"

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Re: Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV
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