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Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« on: 20 July 2023, 14:42:30 »
Now this is something that's been on my mind for some time, but What kind of things could ComStar do if and when they discover a deep periphery state out there. What kind of Variables would they take into account when deciding a course of action? What kind of Relations could develop from such an interaction? Would it be even practical for ComStar to take action to aid or hinder a Deep Periphery States development?

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #1 on: 20 July 2023, 15:07:48 »
Historically, ComStar has not been afraid to endear itself to a population that needs help, from which they in turn can extract followers of Blake's wisdom and otherwise set up shop and have a presence there. Usually that takes the form of establishing or running an HPG. Often this is a long running relationship that gets cultivated over a long time.

Particularly if we're talking about a small population, small colony, it doesn't cost ComStar a lot to potentially make an outsized impact, and so why not? As long as they see that they can potentially get something out of it. A new outpost/HPG, a new presence somewhere, some people in great need of Blake's Wisdom who in turn may join up...
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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #2 on: 20 July 2023, 15:28:10 »
In the Mechwarrior Legends book there is the story about the Outbound Light and how they deal with the Deep Periphery nations they encounter. For example they trade with the Naseatic League informations or stomp on that one rather backward settlement that attacked them. I think the most interesting part is how they make contact. If for example the planet has at least Terran alliance level of technology making contact might be easier and perhaps a good dialogue can be stablished (and as alan said, offering to build HPG's to gain a foothold)

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #3 on: 20 July 2023, 16:12:37 »
You mustn’t think of ComStar as devious schemers.
To the rank and file, and regarding 99.99% of their operations, ComStar is exactly what it says on the cover: A benevolent, arguably humanitarian transnational organisation or NGO.
Nobody signs up for ComStar because they are nurturing evil overlord OCD or a Pinky & Brain complex.
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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #4 on: 27 July 2023, 05:57:07 »
You mustn’t think of ComStar as devious schemers.
To the rank and file, and regarding 99.99% of their operations, ComStar is exactly what it says on the cover: A benevolent, arguably humanitarian transnational organisation or NGO.
Nobody signs up for ComStar because they are nurturing evil overlord OCD or a Pinky & Brain complex.

Given the numbers of defectors during The Schism and everything that occurred after? Yeah, this whole quote sounds like what -they- want you to believe.  :evil:
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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #5 on: 27 July 2023, 07:17:33 »
Given the numbers of defectors during The Schism and everything that occurred after? Yeah, this whole quote sounds like what -they- want you to believe.  :evil:

That is not necessarily true, Focht wanted to make COMSTAR a secular commercial enterprise like any other rather than the supra-national aloof yet essential mystic society COMSTAR had been since its early history. He also killed a Primus by shooting her in the back of the head in order to put a Combine Spy in power (and was also a Combine plant) and then lied about it.

There is nothing that says that the rank of file Blakist agreed with what Demona Aziz or Thomas Marik did particularly against Stone's Alliance which was just as brutal as Blakist control. Also it's not like COMSTAR was willing to accept them afterward in its diminished vestigial state without HPGs or Terra and under the thumb of the Great Houses and Republic led by a formerly unknown leader bent on subjugating the Inner Sphere to his will.

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #6 on: 27 July 2023, 08:10:07 »
Remind me again about Outbound Light, how did they manage to end up in the Kerensky Cluster ? And why did the Clans do a full Q & A with them ?

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #7 on: 27 July 2023, 08:43:52 »
Remind me again about Outbound Light, how did they manage to end up in the Kerensky Cluster ? And why did the Clans do a full Q & A with them ?

It was an Explorer Corps mission and the Smoke Jaguars wanted a pretext for REVIVAL so of course they captured and interrogated them then selectively released it to the Council

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #8 on: 27 July 2023, 09:07:30 »
That is not necessarily true, Focht wanted to make COMSTAR a secular commercial enterprise like any other rather than the supra-national aloof yet essential mystic society COMSTAR had been since its early history. He also killed a Primus by shooting her in the back of the head in order to put a Combine Spy in power (and was also a Combine plant) and then lied about it.

There is nothing that says that the rank of file Blakist agreed with what Demona Aziz or Thomas Marik did particularly against Stone's Alliance which was just as brutal as Blakist control. Also it's not like COMSTAR was willing to accept them afterward in its diminished vestigial state without HPGs or Terra and under the thumb of the Great Houses and Republic led by a formerly unknown leader bent on subjugating the Inner Sphere to his will.

I mean, without breaking rules on real world stuff, sure, the initial point of "the vast majority aren't mustache-twirling villains" isn't entirely inaccurate. However, given that a LOT of named individuals from the Word were former C* and totally cool with war crimes on a 1st SW scale, I stand by my comment, to say absolutely nothing of all of the named C* individuals who died prior to The Schism and their actions in the fiction. Are 99.9% altruistic? Probably not. But like %70-80? Possibly.

My response was also a facetious, tongue-in-cheek reference to how much C* as a whole uses mass misdirection, which is why I emphasized -they-. ISP-style. Especially concerning interactions with Deep Periphery or lost colony states.  :smiley:
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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #9 on: 27 July 2023, 20:25:37 »
Depends on which version of Comstar you're talking about. Pre Tukkayid Comstar would evaluate the Deep Realm, see if building HPGs was worthwhile, and then negotiate a settlement. If it wasn't and the Deep Periphery state attacked them, then they would leave and possibly retaliate if needed. If it was but the polity sad no, like the Hanseatic Leauge, them they would turn their attention to other Realms.

The post Tukkayid Comstar would try to bring them into the fold of the IS, and establish HPGs if they were profitable. The Wobbies would evaluate them for future fall back points and potential cat's paws to help with the Third Transfer, ala the examples we see of th3 Circinus Federation or the Tortuga Dominion.

The Blessed Order would see if they could be a good candidate for another base to avoid the Republic.

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #10 on: 28 July 2023, 02:52:32 »
Wait...  Did someone say that 99.9% of the organization that arranged the murder of hundreds and hundreds of scientists across the star systems of the Inner Sphere in order to force humanity into a position of such backwards wretchedness that they might beg C* to lead them back to a Golden Age - are in fact not villainous schemers - ? 

I'd say those numbers go up and down like a tide.  There was probably a time where more like 90% had an altruistic view of humanity and wished to honestly help.  Then other times 99.9%.  Most of the time it hovers between those numbers.

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #11 on: 28 July 2023, 17:56:17 »
ROM is a very small number. The majority of people that were part of ComStar had no part of that, and thus weren't any more or less villainous than anyone else.

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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #12 on: 30 July 2023, 15:59:44 »
Yet ROM doesn't exist in a vacuum.  There's a very large bureaucracy that they are an arm of, and that means lots of people vying to use them in all manner of ways as a tool to achieve their ends.
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Re: Question about deep periphery states and ComStar.
« Reply #13 on: 07 August 2023, 10:47:34 »
ROM is a very small number. The majority of people that were part of ComStar had no part of that, and thus weren't any more or less villainous than anyone else.

My point was that, in all but a couple small but notable exceptions, members of C* have been presented as mustache-twirling villains. Almost the entirety of ROM, a small number yes, but also, a good chunk of those first-run C* expats that became WoB were just fine with being villains. Regardless of their reasoning behind it, it wasn't just Cameron and The Master that were good with going genocidal on the Clan Homeworlds. The average adept is -probably- not more or less evil than anyone else and, possibly, the average demi-precentor follows suit.

But it's like super-successful mercenary units; these are generally the exception to the rule, not the rule itself per every iteration of a mercenary sourcebook or novel. For every GDL or Northwind Highlanders, there are hundreds of units that don't survive their first year. Yet, no one wants to read about the failures, and failures don't lend themselves to go serialization in multiple books. Same with the trope of the "evil C* Precentor" or at least on the evil-leaning spectrum, presented in almost every novel where C* (and later the Word) make an appearance. And the troops under the command of these displayed Precentors rarely have qualms about doing pretty not-good things. 

But back to the line that spurred any of my comments at all "you mustn't think of Comstar as devious schemers" - no, but really, you absolutely should. From their first appearance to the last appearance, ComStar has -literally- been known as the "devious schemers" faction. It's the only way they were able to hold Terra for as long as they did. Even if not outright evil, you can bet your hard earned C-bill (controlling finance is devious!) that any time C* has encountered any real outside of the Sphere itself, it has looked for ways to use that new realm to C*'s advantage, not as an altruistic & benevolent organization.
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