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doulos05

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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #30 on: 10 May 2011, 23:28:48 »
Hrm, how do variable skill levels affect that? I would think more skilled pilots would want more shots, since their skill cannot affect the cluster table. Then again, I also doubt the impact would be that great.
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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #31 on: 11 May 2011, 11:44:22 »
Hrm, how do variable skill levels affect that? I would think more skilled pilots would want more shots, since their skill cannot affect the cluster table. Then again, I also doubt the impact would be that great.

While the probability of both twenties hitting is larger with better pilots, the chance of missing with at least one stays a non-zero number and missing with both, while small, is larger than missing with all of the smaller launchers.  The expected damage from firing LRM's increases with better gunners, but it affects all LRM launchers by the same ammount.  I first figured it out looking at IS PPC's.  The LPPC, PPC, and HPPC all have identical range brackets, identical dammage to heat ratios, and nearly identical damage to mass ratios.  Solely in terms of expected damage (ignoring crit seeking and headcapping) there is almost nothing to distinguish between 6xLPPC's, 3xPPC's, or 2xHPPC's.
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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #32 on: 12 May 2011, 23:37:00 »
As someone mentioned the odds of hitting the 20 point hit and forcing the PSR is better w/ just a single LRM20 rack.
4 LRM5's ALL need to role 11-12 at the same time, which over a 1 in 20,000 chance or so.
And that is assuming they all hit in the same turn, which is unlikely.
Meanwhile the LRM20 will force the PSR one in 12 hits.
The average damage will be the same over time but the spikes to hit a PSR is MUCH more common w/ a single LRM20 rack v/s split 5 racks.

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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #33 on: 13 May 2011, 08:54:58 »
I never played with the intention of causing PSRs with a single LRM20 rack. You need to get to the 40 missile point to get a regular chance at forcing the PSR. It's for that reason that I consider LRMs to be sandblasters rather than hole punchers.
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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #34 on: 13 May 2011, 10:09:22 »
The five-point hits also serve to reinforce that.
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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #35 on: 13 May 2011, 14:51:19 »
I never played with the intention of causing PSRs with a single LRM20 rack. You need to get to the 40 missile point to get a regular chance at forcing the PSR. It's for that reason that I consider LRMs to be sandblasters rather than hole punchers.

Agreed, well, w/ 5 point hits they are nicely in the middle like a ML boat.
But yes, more crit seeking that hole-punching.
I was just pointing out the PSR reliability is better w/ a single rack.
Though, I am now pondering what units out there only use a single LRM20 in 3025.
Atm I can think of the 3025 Hunter Light Tank & that's it, till the 3050 Griffins/Shadowhawk/Charger come along.

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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #36 on: 13 May 2011, 15:08:53 »

Agreed, well, w/ 5 point hits they are nicely in the middle like a ML boat.
But yes, more crit seeking that hole-punching.
I was just pointing out the PSR reliability is better w/ a single rack.
Though, I am now pondering what units out there only use a single LRM20 in 3025.
Atm I can think of the 3025 Hunter Light Tank & that's it, till the 3050 Griffins/Shadowhawk/Charger come along.

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Re: MML3, valuable or too small?
« Reply #37 on: 13 May 2011, 15:33:17 »
But yes, more crit seeking that hole-punching.

I don't see it as a crit seeker either. To me a crit seeker is a weapon that will take advantage of exposed holes in the armor. Unless you're using LRMs to backstop ERPPCs, Gauss Rifles and Clan Large Pulse Lasers you're probably not going to use them in that role. More than likely you're using them to bombard the targets initially and soften them up.

I was just pointing out the PSR reliability is better w/ a single rack.

In a discussion about absolutes, yes. You can force a PSR with a single LRM20 rack than a quartet of LRM5s. With the inherent unreliable nature of missiles strikes, even your best chance still isn't a good chance.

Though, I am now pondering what units out there only use a single LRM20 in 3025.

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