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Looks like an M48/M60 by looking at the forward hull.

The M47/M48/M6o all look very close to each other. The key ID features are M47 has a bow MG (but right next to lights and so with out barrel sticking out easy to miss), and the commanders .50BMG is on a standard mount. The M48 has the same muzzle break as the M47 but does not have the bow MG, and had it commanders MG in a cupola (on most, but not some early ones). The M60 once again look very close to the M48 except it does not have the muzzle break, and had a different MG (M85 on M60, M2 on M48) in the cupola (and different cupola design).

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Something I have always wanted to know;

Why are almost all the British main line tanks named starting with C?

Crusader, Covenanter, Cromwell, Churchill, Centurion, Centaur, Comet, Charioteer, Challenger, Conqueror, Chieftain, Challenger again, ect?

Churchil and Conqueror were not in any way C for Cruiser tanks.

The Mathilda and Valentine are among the very few exceptions, but then there is the Scorpion-Family which is another thing again, but this time with S-names.
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Looks like an M48/M60 by looking at the forward hull.

Definitely an M48.

Three quick ways to tell the 48 and 60 apart:
  • The muzzle brake.
  • The 48's turret is more round. The 60's turret is more turtle shell shaped.
  • The 48 has a curved front hull. The 60's is straight.
M48


M60
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An accurate and amusing answer!

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Something I have always wanted to know;

Why are almost all the British main line tanks named starting with C?

Crusader, Covenanter, Cromwell, Churchill, Centurion, Centaur, Comet, Charioteer, Challenger, Conqueror, Chieftain, Challenger again, ect?

Churchil and Conqueror were not in any way C for Cruiser tanks.

The Mathilda and Valentine are among the very few exceptions, but then there is the Scorpion-Family which is another thing again, but this time with S-names.


It was a tradition for the cruiser tanks of WW2 and before to have names beginning with C.
The Churchill was the exception to that as it was an infantry tank.


There are a number of such traditions in British Army equipment naming - APCs/IFVs are called Spartan (FV432), Warrior, Saxon; artillery pieces until the AS90 were named for priest positions like Abbot, Sexton; dog-type animals for wheeled vehicles like the Land Rover WMIK, Jackal and Mastiff. The Panther is a bit of a break from that naming theme and may represent a shift to a new title chain. The Ajax looks set to have a family of names for the vehicles all beginning with A.


It is worth remembering that it was the British/Commonwealth use of names (rather than just numbers) that started US tanks being named for generals (Lee, Grant, Sherman, Stuart).
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Definitely an M48.

Three quick ways to tell the 48 and 60 apart:
  • The muzzle brake.
  • The 48's turret is more round. The 60's turret is more turtle shell shaped.
  • The 48 has a curved front hull. The 60's is straight.
M48


M60


Very specifically an M48A1. Key features from this angle: enclosed commander's cupola "mini turret" & the rounded fenders. M48s had a flat profile cupola with external M2, M48A2s swiched to squared off fenders. I love tank spotting!

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Very specifically an M48A1. Key features from this angle: enclosed commander's cupola "mini turret" & the rounded fenders. M48s had a flat profile cupola with external M2, M48A2s swiched to squared off fenders. I love tank spotting!

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It was a tradition for the cruiser tanks of WW2 and before to have names beginning with C.
The Churchill was the exception to that as it was an infantry tank.


There are a number of such traditions in British Army equipment naming - APCs/IFVs are called Spartan (FV432), Warrior, Saxon; artillery pieces until the AS90 were named for priest positions like Abbot, Sexton; dog-type animals for wheeled vehicles like the Land Rover WMIK, Jackal and Mastiff. The Panther is a bit of a break from that naming theme and may represent a shift to a new title chain. The Ajax looks set to have a family of names for the vehicles all beginning with A.


It is worth remembering that it was the British/Commonwealth use of names (rather than just numbers) that started US tanks being named for generals (Lee, Grant, Sherman, Stuart).

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In fact this goes even further back than I realised - while the first experimental tank was called Little Willie, the next one (that actually looked like a WW1 British tank) was officially called His Majesty's Landship Centipede!


I went to the Tank Museum at Bovington yesterday and have plenty of photos but my iPhone defaults to too large a size to upload here
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I went to the Tank Museum at Bovington yesterday and have plenty of photos but my iPhone defaults to too large a size to upload here
My iPhone 4 offers a number of choices to reduce image size before sending it.
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mine isn't but the photos have automatically shared with my laptop and I'm fiddling with them on that
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Still big though.


and that's the photo cut down to just the name plate!


Probably easiest if I put up a link to Flickr



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now I can't get Flickr to work properly


I suspect there is a running theme here...


anyway


here's a link to my OneDrive which does seem to have managed to get them up


https://1drv.ms/a/s!AtP_nNhiV3urgkD9AhsOagS13GIM
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Lemme see if this works...


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Thanks for posting the OneDrive link... that was very neat!

As for your image tags, try using the button above with the Mona Lisa...

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Not an armoured fighting vehicle but I could not be bothered to start a new thread for this cool photo:



64 Pounder Rifled Muzzle Loading Cannon being fired by re-enactment group at Fort Lytton in Brisbane.
Incoming fire has the right of way.

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that's an actual photo????


it looks like a cheesy video game
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I think the photographer was using one of those "arty" fancy colour filter things on his/her camera.

Here are some more:





Incoming fire has the right of way.

The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.

Always remember that your weapon was built by the lowest bidder.


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Is it really a cannon or a flamethrower? ::)
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Is it really a cannon or a flamethrower? ::)


Not sure but if I wanted to destroy Brisbane (and having visited, I don't think that's such a bad idea) I'd opt for a more speedy approach like nukin' it from orbit
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Presumably no shot, and I wouldn't be surprised if they "salted" it a bit with extra paper and other flammable materials.

Plus, it's friggin' 64-pounder! That's a lot of powder!

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It is worth remembering that it was the British/Commonwealth use of names (rather than just numbers) that started US tanks being named for generals (Lee, Grant, Sherman, Stuart).
While we're at it, look at how the Royal Navy handles ship classes and names too.
It does make it easy to ID what class/role something was for when you see the name.

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AMX-13 with SS.11 ATGMs.



and with HOT ATGMs.



Nowadays they let the wheelies carry the ATGMs... AMX-10 with MMP missiles, prototype

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That AMX-13 with HOT missiles is cool...I build 1/35 models as my other (arguably main) hobby, have an AMX-13 in the stash with SS.11s (as well as an AMX VCI). Was the -13 with HOT missiles a service vehicle, or just a prototype?

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That AMX-13 with HOT missiles is cool...I build 1/35 models as my other (arguably main) hobby, have an AMX-13 in the stash with SS.11s (as well as an AMX VCI). Was the -13 with HOT missiles a service vehicle, or just a prototype?

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That AMX-13 with HOT missiles is cool...I build 1/35 models as my other (arguably main) hobby, have an AMX-13 in the stash with SS.11s (as well as an AMX VCI). Was the -13 with HOT missiles a service vehicle, or just a prototype?

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War Thunder has a premium vehicle of it. if you have an account, you can play it in Test Drive.

I'd rather just build a model of one. Though only if it is a service vehicle...

I've been waiting for the old Heller AMX-13 DCA to show up on ebay so I can kitbash it with a Takom or Tamiya AMX-13. Seems to be a rare kit, so I may get the AMX-30 DCA to serve as the base...

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