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BattleTech Game Universe => The Inner Sphere => Topic started by: Redfaction on 15 November 2012, 15:25:49
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Ive been wondering which worlds, besides New Avalon, are the Golden Five? I have taken a few guesses but never been able to pin it down. I just converted a friend of mine from warhammer to this particular game and intend to convince him to play in the Dark Ages/Succession Wars with me going all Cappie on his ass :P But on the note of my question he and I both want to know which they are for creative purposes (ala, what if the Cappies had pushed as far as New Avalon or the Golden five?)
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Ive been wondering which worlds, besides New Avalon, are the Golden Five?
New Avalon, El Dorado, Torrence, Galax, Belladonna
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Golden Five:
- New Avalon
- Galax
- El Dorado
- Belladonna
- Torrence
Garden Worlds:
- surrounding the Golden Five
- Argyle, Kestrel, Arcadia,
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I thought Numenor was one of them, once upon a time. Was that disestablished back when things like the Fighting Urukhai were shuffled off or am I just imagining things again?
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Numenor was established as one of them at least as of TROVA's IC date. I don't know what happened after that without digging through the Jihad books but I don't recall hearing it got toasted.
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Golden Five:
- New Avalon
- Galax
- El Dorado
- Belladonna
- Torrence
Garden Worlds:
- surrounding the Golden Five
- Argyle, Kestrel, Arcadia,
At some point, Delavan will probably take Galax's place in the Golden Five considering what happened to Galax. Plus, Federated Boeing is basically turning Delavan into New Galax. And somehow, I doubt Arcadia is a garden world anymore. If it was, it'd still be on the map, and we'd probably have the Golden Six.
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Numenor may have suffered damage from the Succession wars or a enviromental disaster that may have pushed it off the list.
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Numenor was established as one of them at least as of TROVA's IC date.
None of TROVA's mentions of Numenor have it as a Golden Five or Garden world. Neither HDSB nor HDHB list Numenor as a G5 or Garden world.
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Arcadia was a garden world, but it also became the very speartip of the DCMS offensive during the 1st Succession War, so both sides fought long and brutally over the world which marked the closest to New Avalon the DCMS reached. In the end, the world was destroyed by it all.
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None of TROVA's mentions of Numenor have it as a Golden Five or Garden world. Neither HDSB nor HDHB list Numenor as a G5 or Garden world.
Looking at TROVA again, you're right, but the way it's described in TROVA it certainly sounds like it fits the description on page 93 of HBHD - near New Avalon and prosperous.
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Thank you guys, this has been quite helpful! Here I too thought Numenor was too... maybe soon
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Arcadia was a garden world, but it also became the very speartip of the DCMS offensive during the 1st Succession War, so both sides fought long and brutally over the world which marked the closest to New Avalon the DCMS reached. In the end, the world was destroyed by it all.
Or was it? ^-^
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Or was it? ^-^
It is most definitely deader than a doorknob.
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It is most definitely deader than a doorknob.
And you don't get deader than that!
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It is most definitely deader than a doorknob.
So you confirm that it is not one of the Hidden Five then?
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And you don't get deader than that!
Sure there is. There is on the verge of complete destruction (Malachor V from SW:KoTOR II) and then there is completely destroyed (Alderaan). ;)
Given time and a lot of invested resources Arcadia can slowly be restored. Of course since there isn't a hidden treasure trove of Germanium waiting to be dug out of the ground, nobody is going to waste their time and resources.
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Well probably the only way Arcadia is coming back from the dead catergory is if one of its moons has HarJel. Then suddenly out of nowhere, the Diamond Sharks/Sea Foxes will descend on the world.
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So you confirm that it is not one of the Hidden Five then?
Being a dead, sterile world doesn't preclude being one of the Hidden Five. Look at the Ruins of Gabriel - the actual site was on an icy rock in the outer system. It doesn't mean it is, either. There's plenty of dead, sterile rocks floating in space.
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If I was FedSuns intelligence agent, Arcadia would be one of the first spots I checked during the search for Hidden Blake bases. It's a little too obvious.
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Sure, but it's still the size of a planet, embedded in an environment the size of a solar system.
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Personally, I kind of assume that one of the worlds that the AFFS uses as a secret recharge station during Sword and Dagger is probably the star system of Arcadia. Why? Because it is well known commodity to the Federated Suns, and all known Davion lines are descended from the prime First Prince, Simon Davion, who's mother was a Svensdatter of Arcadia. So, I figure that the Arcadian system is probably patrolled if for no other reason to make sure that no one disturbes the place. That doesn't mean that the Word of Blake did or could not take over the system; it fits other requirement that they like for hidden worlds. I just figure that it is a bit too obvious for them.
Plus Taussen's description from Final Reconking describes the world as probably having a native population. Arcadia from what Oystein has said over the years on the boards pretty much got thrown to Hell, and any surviving population probably relocated or fled before the battle. Then again, that could be a fake out, so any logic is pointless. (On a side note, Kentares lost about ninety percent of its population during the Massacre. I'd imagine that Arcadia had a larger and a much more viocious body count considering it was a garden world. I've found it odd that Arcadia never received as much attention in the fluff. It probably be a vicious but heroic tale if the Battle of Arcadia is ever told.)
If I was going to warrant a guess on the location of Taussen, it is probably in either the Capellan or Draconis March nearer to Terra. Though if the name is a clue, it might be a reference to a Dutch Reformation Leader.
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It is most definitely deader than a doorknob.
Wait, Arcadia is just fine...
;)
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I don't know. Clan Arcadia has a snake problem. And as worlds burn in the Lyran Commonwealth in the future year of 3143, there will be a high demand for flea collars on Arcadia. As for Suns Arcadia, it'll be the best year in centuries as Caleb Steiner-Sandoval-Hasek-Davion will attempt to show his ability to cleanse worlds by attempting to cleanse Arcadia of all of its ills one day in September of that year. The next day Julian Davion becomes First Prince after Caleb proves unable to breath without an atmosphere. Note, two out of three of those things are probably true. Squinting at the map on Bonfire of Worlds is probably not the most accurate exercise or use of my time. Yeah, Caleb asphyxiating will probably not happen either. Sigh
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Sorry for being so late to the party, but what exactly does being in the Golden Five mean?
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I am not sure there's an actual proper definition, of a Golden Five
world. Effectively though, they were the most prosperous and
technologically advanced of the Fed Suns Crucis March systems.
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I am not sure there's an actual proper definition, of a Golden Five
world. Effectively though, they were the most prosperous and
technologically advanced of the Fed Suns Crucis March systems.
Sounds llike a definition to me
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Sounds llike a definition to me
Not really. Because that would imply they change based on which five are the most prosperous and technologically advanced.
They are a set five. They were called that because they were prosperous and technologically advanced. But even if, say Arcadia, were to become more prosperous and/or technologically advanced, the Golden Five would just look down on them as upstarts.
It's "old money". It doesn't matter what you have, you're not one of the Golden Five. You're always deficient and a lesser.
See Arcadia and House Stephenson in Handbook House Davion. Arcadia is "on par" with the Golden Five, but doesn't matter. House Stephenson controls "one of the richest, most advanced, and most populous worlds in the Federated Suns". It even says they have eclipsed almost every ducal family. But it doesn't matter, you're not Golden Five.
Ie. It's also cultural, historical, political, etc. But they are set, the definition of Golden Five is those five systems named. Everything else is inferred or assumed.
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Stanford University is often referred to as being 'on par with' (or something thereabouts) the Ivy league Schools but the only Ivy League Schools are the 8 members of the Ivy League. The Golden Five are that way.
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Stanford University is often referred to as being 'on par with' (or something thereabouts) the Ivy league Schools but the only Ivy League Schools are the 8 members of the Ivy League. The Golden Five are that way.
William and Mary! Go Tribe!
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William and Mary! Go Tribe!
I like your jibe cut, jklantern!
TT
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Not really. Because that would imply they change based on which five are the most prosperous and technologically advanced.
They are a set five.
Ah... we do have an example of the Golden Five changing. Galax wasn't one of em originally, as per FR 2765: AFFS.
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Ah... we do have an example of the Golden Five changing. Galax wasn't one of em originally, as per FR 2765: AFFS.
Excellent point/find.