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Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« on: 11 September 2019, 13:07:21 »
Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry


Overview
Equipped with light unarmored vehicles and towing autocannons,
the Field Gun Motorized Infantry units are quite mobile and well-armed units


Capabilities
A massive Autocannon class 20 requires no less than a 14 crew
to be operated. Two other squads of 7 men each remains in
reserve. Specialized in urban and jungle warfare, they are
capable to quickly hide inside building or vegetation,
surprising their targets with point-blank deadly shots. Few
mechs and combat vehicles are properly armed to deal with
conventional infantry except at short ranges, which exposes
them to AC/20 or rifle fire.

Deployment
The very maintenance costs favor their use as garrison troops
in urban or jungle areas.


Tech Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tech Rating/Availability: C/X-E-D-D
Transport Weight: 20.5

Equipment:
Primary Weapon: 28 Auto-Rifle (Modern, Generic)
Secondary Weapon: None

Battle Value: 215
Cost: 1,111,406.763 C-bills

Notes: 1 AC/20 with 5 rounds of ammo. Requires 14 soldiers
to operate.

Platoon Type (Specialty): Motorized (None)
Ground MP: 3
Platoon Size (Squad/Platoon): 28 (7/4)
Armor Divisor: 1


To-Hit Modifier (Range in Hexes):
-2 (0 Hexes), +0 (1 Hexes), +2 (2 Hexes), +4 (3 Hexes)
Maximum Weapon Damage (# of Troopers):
15 (28), 14 (27-26), 13 (25-24), 12 (23-22), 11 (21-20), 10
(19-18), 9 (17-16), 8 (15-14), 7 (13), 6 (12-11), 5 (10-9), 4 (8-
7), 3 (6-5), 2 (4-3), 1 (2-1)

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #1 on: 23 October 2019, 22:01:45 »
What would a Ultra-AC/20 look like? Cause once you see this one in action the first time, DEATH follows, instantly!

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #2 on: 23 October 2019, 22:28:04 »
I'm not sure I understand the calculations here.

Why is the range only 3 hexes?

Why is the hit being distributed as cluster damage?

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #3 on: 23 October 2019, 22:32:55 »
Because it is using the Generic Auto-Rifle as it's main weapon, hence the cluster damage.

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #4 on: 23 October 2019, 22:40:37 »
What would a Ultra-AC/20 look like? Cause once you see this one in action the first time, DEATH follows, instantly!

TT

The UAC-20 is one ton heavier, so you need one soldier more to operate it (15 instead of 14 soldiers). This is not a big problem. The other problem is that you carry only one ton of ammo and 5 shots is very little for an ultra-cannon



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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #5 on: 23 October 2019, 22:47:50 »
Ah, but it doesn't jam either! 40 points point blank? Yes please!

I wonder... a Taurian Platoon with twin UAC/20!

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #6 on: 23 October 2019, 22:53:42 »
Because it is using the Generic Auto-Rifle as it's main weapon, hence the cluster damage.

TT

But... it's not the main weapon. That's what I don't understand. Technically, all these guys should be busy crewing the weapon.

In MegaMek, would this thing be firing an AC/20 or an absurdly large cluster of small arms damage?

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #7 on: 23 October 2019, 23:05:20 »
But... it's not the main weapon. That's what I don't understand. Technically, all these guys should be busy crewing the weapon.

In MegaMek, would this thing be firing an AC/20 or an absurdly large cluster of small arms damage?
Either, depending on if the AC/20 is pointing in the right direction or if the target is close enough to hit with auto-rifle fire.

They can't use the AC/20 and fire their auto rifles at the same time though.

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #8 on: 23 October 2019, 23:18:24 »
They can't use the AC/20 and fire their auto rifles at the same time though.

Actually they can.

Since not all the unit is not needed, 14 out of 28, leads us to another 8 possible extra points of damage. Or if this was Squad damage, two sets of 4 each!

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #9 on: 23 October 2019, 23:48:53 »
Actually they can.

Since not all the unit is not needed, 14 out of 28, leads us to another 8 possible extra points of damage. Or if this was Squad damage, two sets of 4 each!

TT
Tac Ops seems to indicate it's strictly an either-or thing.  Pg.311:
"Field Guns attack using the range, damage and any applicable modifiers (including those of the weapon class) as their vehicle-mounted counterparts, but they may not be fired in the same turn that the platoon has moved or delivered any attack using its own infantry weapons."

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #10 on: 24 October 2019, 00:12:55 »
Which is why I stated if it was using Squad Damage.

Two to transport and fire, and the other two in overwatch positions.

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #11 on: 24 October 2019, 09:47:16 »
you cannot move and fire the field gun (you can fire the rifles, however)
you can only fire the field gun OR the primary weapons of the soldiers (not both)

I like this Field Gun AC20 motorized infantry. They are not cheap to acquire but they are cheap to maintain. For ambush is much more efficient than a Heavy Tank (a Demolisher, for example) and the BV is much lower for the firepower given. It is also harder to kill at long distances. You just need to get good terrain to stay (heavy woods, a building, etc).

I second one that I use also is AC/5 Field gun managed by 16 motorized troopers (2 squads of 8). AC/5 is one of the worst weapons in Battletech but works pretty well as Field Gun - range is good, damage is not negligible for only 101 BVs

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Re: Field Gun AC20 (rifle) Motorized Infantry
« Reply #12 on: 24 October 2019, 13:03:53 »
Pity the usual 'because we said so'-style rules limit weapon types for Field Guns - imagine RL 15 Field Guns, with one crewman each.

Granted, that specific example should be as discouraged as any other type of cheese, RL-spam or otherwise, but it's legal elsewhere and there's lots of other cool options removed by this lack.

Like Urban or Jungle troops with Vehicle Flamers, MechMortar barrage buggies, I-OS Inferno SRM raiders, heck even Large Laser and Single Heat Sink snipers, etc.