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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: cawest on 19 January 2020, 14:27:44
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Besides H-class what were the names of manufacture of ER PPCs during the Star League?
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Maybe Blankenburg Technologies?
The Blankenburg Technologies 200 was made on Terra, and should've been on the Royal Griffin they manufactured, IIRC.
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Probably a few factories given all the units that used them.
Off the top of my head....
Talon-5W
Phoenix Hawk-1b
Griffin-2N
Lynx-9Q
Champion-1Nb
WarHammer-7A
Marauder-2R
Spartan
Thug-11Eb
Battlemaster-1Gb
Shogun-2H
Nightstar-9J
Atlas-7D-H2
Stuka-K5b
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that's a pretty good list. the others that use them point to small-scale proliferation. besides the post-SL Zeus 5T and a Cargomaster upgrade, the rest of the ERPPC users come out of Klondike. sourcing the gun directly is a bit tricky as most of the units don't get a formal TRO writeup (or the writeup doesn't give enough detail like with the Dropships), but beyond the Blankenburg 200, there couldn't have been many other models
Other pre-fall units
Thunderbolt 5Sb
Dragoon (Blankenburg 200)
Black Knight 6b
BattleMaster 1Gbc
Atlas II H2 (the H variant used blankenburg ERLLs so it's probably not a mystery who made the ERPPCs for the H2)
Puma 005b Assault Tank
Ironsides SD1b
Rapier 200
Screamer LAM
Tomahawk 63b
Achilles (2721/2721b)
Colossus
Lee (2756)
Model 96 Elephant
Overlord (2762b)
Pentagon (2751)
Pueblo (2673)
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The Talon uses the Lord's Light 2, so, that is a DC weapon.
I'm guessing either there is some sort of trade agreement when its put back into production in the 3050's, or, the SL had one in the 2700's.
The Lynx uses a Defiance 1001 model.
Given Defiance also made that Zeus model, I'm betting they made the ERPPC in the 2700's too.
Nightstar also uses that Defiance model.
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i wonder if the lord's light ppcs are from the contemporary models. the 3058U writeup has the talon being produced on Inarcs (both the SL and contemporary factory site) and was never a DC possession.
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So positing that Donal, Magna and the other standard PPCs makers before 3050 did not make the ER models before the Star League fell?
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Or if they did, they didn't have the specs anywhere that wasn't nuked in the 1st or 2nd SW...
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So positing that Donal, Magna and the other standard PPCs makers before 3050 did not make the ER models before the Star League fell?
possibly. do we have evidence they did? this isn't the kind of detail i usually concern myself with, but the OP is looking for specific models.
is the post-invasion parts listing for revived SL units representative of the SL-era? dunno.
Or if they did, they didn't have the specs anywhere that wasn't nuked in the 1st or 2nd SW...
apocalyptic destruction is indeed a roadblock to historical inquiry
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Am I right that chronologically the Spartan was the first unit to use an ER PPC? The Kinslaughter H, right?
Despite being first shown in TRO2750, I don't see any units that carry it.
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Despite being first shown in TRO27503058, I don't see any units that carry it.
Its the first we see.
Whether it is the first in universe date, I'm not sure.
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Am I right that chronologically the Spartan was the first unit to use an ER PPC? The Kinslaughter H, right?
it's up there. the Talon and Lynx appeared in TRO 3058 as well, though i have the same questions about the origin of those two. since the remaining spartans are from the original production runs (the original 3058 puts the number remaining at 19), it would seem the Kingslaughter-H is an SL-era weapon
including units added later (hello, royals), it falls in the in-universe chronology a fair bit.
(http://puu.sh/F1RXe/879939fca6.png)
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It strikes me the earliest production models could have been heavier, since they only appeared on ships.
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they follow the standard construction rules, but yeah, the gap in time between the dropships and mech/asf does seem to indicate some engineering shenanigans that had to be worked out
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Engineering shenanigans works for me! :thumbsup:
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It strikes me the earliest production models could have been heavier, since they only appeared on ships.
More likely since those record sheets have never been updated, the review process never caught they were illegal and generated the "infamous" pre-ER PPC variant recon that happened with most 'mechs with ER PPCs and an intro date before 2751.
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In which case, we'll celebrate the patching of yet another plot hole...
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so... MUL eratta?
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I meant chronologically in universe. I think in publications the Spartan and a few others first appeared in the Rhonda Snord scenario book.
The ER PPC first appeared in TRO2750. Spartan in TR3058. Sorry if my initial post was a bit confusing. All them damn pronouns.
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I found it funny that they backdated all those designs & came up with weird numbering for Pre-ERPPC variants of them.
When it might have just been easier to say the ERPPC introduction year was off by a century or 2.
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Well, the other part is, as spec'd out for resumed production in the 3050s does not mean it uses the same parts as when originally manufactured. IF ERPPCs were relatively new and TH/Royal exclusives then as someone said, I would not expect say the Talon's ERPPC to be sourced from the DC.
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Then what about the Parti-Kill PPC... it's official history has its using heavy magnetic fields to charge up and fire its plasma bolt.
And that's a pre-SW1 Era tech.
TT
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the parti-kill is a standard ppc (and eventually a snub)
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Particle_Projector_Cannon#Parti-Kill_Heavy_Cannon
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The PartiKill is obviously a Plasma Canon only that it use technology that is lost when the Cappelans invented the 6t weapon with 100kg blocks of foam.
Maybe Klondike and the Invasion of Terra books offer some specific manufacturers
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I vote that there were non standard weapons. Earlier TROs especially talk about weapons/equipment being older bulkier heavier or smaller than other models, or worked differently in some way. It works out since units in TRO:2750 were made with fractional accounting.
It also makes sense since not everything is built to the same standards. Standard makes things easier but there's always going to be higher end, lower end, or odd ball equipment.
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I vote that there were non standard weapons. Earlier TROs especially talk about weapons/equipment being older bulkier heavier or smaller than other models, or worked differently in some way. It works out since units in TRO:2750 were made with fractional accounting.
It also makes sense since not everything is built to the same standards. Standard makes things easier but there's always going to be higher end, lower end, or odd ball equipment.
So the Tiegard PPC having 10% less bulk then the Donal (that should have characteristic hexagonal capacitors and a long barrel (read the standard picture of the PPC)
So mentioned Tiegard weights 6.5tons and consumes 2.8 crits?
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So the Tiegard PPC having 10% less bulk then the Donal (that should have characteristic hexagonal capacitors and a long barrel (read the standard picture of the PPC)
So mentioned Tiegard weights 6.5tons and consumes 2.8 crits?
I don't know if it's lighter but it could be? As for bulk, I'd still round up to 3 crits but I think its a step towards the Clans Improved PPC with 2 crits.
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So we’ve got the Blankenberg 200 and Kingslaughter? Any examples of the Lord’s Light 2 appearing definitively in a star league context?
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Magna Firestar ERPPC from Klondike
and I was surprised to see the Parti-Kill SnubNoose at the Falcon.... well shouldn't the Manticore and Myrmidon be retconned in this case
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Magna Firestar ERPPC from Klondike
and I was surprised to see the Parti-Kill SnubNoose at the Falcon.... well shouldn't the Manticore and Myrmidon be retconned in this case
http://sarna.net/wiki/Extended_Range_Particle_Projector_Cannon#Magna_Firestar
The odd thing here is that all of the worlds we know it was made on aren't Terran Hegemony worlds - one of them is in the Taurian Concordat, and the other two are in Capellan or Marik space.
I think this is a fact check failure on the writers' side, if they included the Magna on the Shogun.
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the 2H's 2777 debut checks out for the Magna Firestar. we're up to three!
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Magna Firestar ERPPC from Klondike
and I was surprised to see the Parti-Kill SnubNoose at the Falcon.... well shouldn't the Manticore and Myrmidon be retconned in this case
Why? ???
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http://sarna.net/wiki/Extended_Range_Particle_Projector_Cannon#Magna_Firestar
The odd thing here is that all of the worlds we know it was made on aren't Terran Hegemony worlds - one of them is in the Taurian Concordat, and the other two are in Capellan or Marik space.
I think this is a fact check failure on the writers' side, if they included the Magna on the Shogun.
We have never gotten a good report on what the Hegemony produced that was destroyed with the fall of the Star League.
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We have never gotten a good report on what the Hegemony produced that was destroyed with the fall of the Star League.
You'd think that the ER PPC, which appears to have been primarily on Royal units in the Star League period, would be one of the proscribed technologies that didn't get exported for at least a decade, the way the SNPPC was
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You'd think that the ER PPC, which appears to have been primarily on Royal units in the Star League period, would be one of the proscribed technologies that didn't get exported for at least a decade, the way the SNPPC was
The Shogun was made by Mitchell Vehicles, on Terra and Graham IV. Both of those were within the Terran Hegemony.
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The Shogun was made by Mitchell Vehicles, on Terra and Graham IV. Both of those were within the Terran Hegemony.
The Shogun is a TH product, but the references I find for the Firestar shows only sites outside of the Hegemony which were never part of the TH.
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Those are Firestar locations in 3050+
Magna PPCs were made on Terra by Aldis, so it wouldn't surprise me if they had produced other models besides the Original at some point in the past.
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Why? ???
Why? Well not for the official but for the house rule - the SnubNoose or Plasma Cannon instead of the PPC makes perfect sense for the Manticore and Myrmidon
Its a Parti-Kill and by the description of the Parti-Kill in the TRO3026... it sounds like a Plasma Gun - instead of lobbing heavy ions with hypervelocity it lobs a huge chunk of confined (however) plasma much slower and of course at shorter ranges.
And because I lost my sanity some years ago already:
in the left side are the 4 PPC models I made half a year ago: up-down Donal, Parti-Kill (the other both are proxies)
Sure both similar massive but on this model, the Parti-Kill is already equipped with armor and heat-sinks (reminds me that I need to finish the Manticore)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/5125da33-ebcb-4d0c-8ab1-22b2a857ba89/ddozf3y-5b7397c1-9620-42a1-b736-fb660539cf8b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzUxMjVkYTMzLWViY2ItNGQwYy04YWIxLTIyYjJhODU3YmE4OVwvZGRvemYzeS01YjczOTdjMS05NjIwLTQyYTEtYjczNi1mYjY2MDUzOWNmOGIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.1ysVl_7Erm8CBLT5xo55xoZnds60Zd9NiD8swx2srNI)
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Why? Well not for the official but for the house rule - the SnubNoose or Plasma Cannon instead of the PPC makes perfect sense for the Manticore and Myrmidon
Its a Parti-Kill and by the description of the Parti-Kill in the TRO3026... it sounds like a Plasma Gun - instead of lobbing heavy ions with hypervelocity it lobs a huge chunk of confined (however) plasma much slower and of course at shorter ranges.
And because I lost my sanity some years ago already:
in the left side are the 4 PPC models I made half a year ago: up-down Donal, Parti-Kill (the other both are proxies)
Sure both similar massive but on this model, the Parti-Kill is already equipped with armor and heat-sinks (reminds me that I need to finish the Manticore)
I suppose?
Ah. Yeah, TRO:3039, has it firing a plasma shell. In TRO:3026 it's just an energy shell. I pictured it as an energy ball like in the video games instead of a stream of lightning. Either way, I always gave it some house rules as it's so different from "standard" PPCs.
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Or the Magna PPCs plant within the former TH may have been destroyed sometime during the civil war or the eating of the TH planets by the other houses.
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I will go with a Blankenburg but not say the production name in my fanfic.