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« Reply #90 on: 04 October 2018, 11:54:20 »
Yet both have more cojones than any true Marik that's still alive.

May I direct your attention to Kenyon II.  Acclaimed MechWarrior, veteran of HAMMERFALL, Duke of Graham-Marik, and direct descendant of Janos via Paul, Corrine, and Anson.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #91 on: 04 October 2018, 12:00:00 »
If the Free Worlds League's 31st Century taught us anything, it's that bloodlines are highly overrated. Supporting evidence: The Lyran Commonwealth. :)
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #92 on: 04 October 2018, 12:03:21 »
May I direct your attention to Kenyon II.  Acclaimed MechWarrior, veteran of HAMMERFALL, Duke of Graham-Marik, and direct descendant of Janos via Paul, Corrine, and Anson.

One section in a BC pub IIRC?  Veteran of Hammerfall?  Did he fight more than Nikol?

I did not see him getting the band back together.  In fact, it was Nikol who brought in surviving MSC units that were orphaned and provided networking for those rebelling on Lyran worlds.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #93 on: 04 October 2018, 12:07:10 »
i do not acknowledge the legitimacy of any C-G that does not sport a forehead tattoo

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #94 on: 04 October 2018, 12:47:20 »
One section in a BC pub IIRC?  Veteran of Hammerfall?  Did he fight more than Nikol?

I did not see him getting the band back together.  In fact, it was Nikol who brought in surviving MSC units that were orphaned and provided networking for those rebelling on Lyran worlds.

Nikol was doing supply run's. Important work? yes of course but fighting off the Lyran invaders it wasn't. The main point was to bog things down and Oriente more time and win a little good will with the former league planets.

Let's not confuse that with her mounting a counter attack against the Lyran invasion which it very much was not.

Kenyon II has the political chops and has been building relationships within Parliament.

That being said I am fond of crochety old Fontaine Marik. He's that old guy who just doesn't care. He has made his decision and if your in accord cool and if you don't like it you are thereby cordially invited to quest for someone who cares.

Im in favor of a peaceful transition of power to Kenyon actual Marik but I don't think it will happen but as long as the real Marik's are playing a central roll in the league Im good with them not being C-G right now.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #95 on: 04 October 2018, 12:57:00 »
Kenyon was disowned and is officially less of a real Marik than Nicol, who was formally adopted by Thaddeus before his death.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #96 on: 04 October 2018, 13:40:23 »
 . . . Nikol was infiltrating Lyran and Wolf occupied territory during a halt in operations to connect with undergrounds.  Like I said, she went looking for surviving MSC units to bring them into the proto-League.  Before that she had fought Anduriens, Republic militias, and MSC forces as Hammerfall ground onward.  Kenyon from what I hear fought in that story, but he was exiled IIRC . . . and the only reason the power-base he married into (yup, that is how he got his 'duchy') survived is b/c it was on the other side of the MSC from the Lyrans.  And the Wolves halted their advance.

We really do not know anything about his accomplishments outside that one story- and not being important enough for his activities in the re-unification to get into the fiction.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #97 on: 04 October 2018, 17:09:37 »
Marik's are overrated.

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #98 on: 05 October 2018, 09:33:43 »
Kenyon was disowned and is officially less of a real Marik than Nicol, who was formally adopted by Thaddeus before his death.

I don't care about legalities, I care about bloodlines.  Laws can change or even be ignored; look at Therese.  She was disowned but a significant chunk of the League followed her when Tamarind seceeded.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #99 on: 05 October 2018, 13:57:24 »
I don't care about legalities, I care about bloodlines.  Laws can change or even be ignored; look at Therese.  She was disowned but a significant chunk of the League followed her when Tamarind seceeded.

Exactly. Nikol is a very nice Halas and should stop deluding herself and others and just be the best Halas she can be.

Kenyon fell out with Anson this makes him different from everyone who interacted with Anson in precisely no way's at all.

Also marrying into Graham-Marik doesn't make Kenyon less it makes him sensible. He did not have the personal forces to retake Marik-Stewart so he went and married into a Duchy that would give him a chance of doing it some day. When the political winds changed he then started building a coalition that makes retaking it possible and on top of that he has not gotten tunnel vision. He does not sacrifice the people he leads, or are in coalition/alliance now on some forlorn hope to reclaim his birthright.

Instead he just does the best he can and works within the system to his goals.

Which I really like the Free Worlds League works best when the internal opponents or enemies don't try to utterly destroy each other but eventually sit down and come up with a solution that they can live with at least for a while. Not forgetting slights or grievances but putting them aside for the common good. Nikol has done this herself which I think shows she is a proper Halas.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #100 on: 05 October 2018, 14:05:44 »
I am still waiting to find out where all this deep character development occurred . . . since it did not matter for putting the League back together and had no impact on the greater universe from what had been provided in fiction. 
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« Reply #101 on: 05 October 2018, 15:22:32 »
I am still waiting to find out where all this deep character development occurred . . . since it did not matter for putting the League back together and had no impact on the greater universe from what had been provided in fiction.

Yet.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #102 on: 05 October 2018, 15:56:35 »
I do remember what he said in Shattered Sphere . . . *deep echoing silence . . . *
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #103 on: 05 October 2018, 16:51:38 »
Thinking of making a 3085-ish map of just the broken up League . . . what color should be used for each state (maybe based on their mech paint schemes)?  I want to also include several of the smaller groups that merged with larger neighbors- like Orloff or any of the other small groups.

Also, did we ever get any firm details about how/why Aiutaki left the Regulans?
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #104 on: 06 October 2018, 13:55:07 »
Kenyon was disowned and is officially less of a real Marik than Nicol, who was formally adopted by Thaddeus before his death.
I don't care about legalities, I care about bloodlines.  Laws can change or even be ignored; look at Therese.  She was disowned but a significant chunk of the League followed her when Tamarind seceeded.

The Eagle is absolutely correct.
(Although from the Regulan point of view, any Marik with absolute power is a train wreck just waitin' for the train to arrive  ;) )

If you're going to promote the bloodline, might as well have a real Marik...

The "adoption" of Fake Tommy's brood is a joke, and doesn't give anybody a "Marik bloodline".
If Thaddeus had formally adopted his pet monkey (with great pomp and ceremony) could we then have a monkey as Captain General? (Since the monkey now has a Marik bloodline)
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #105 on: 06 October 2018, 14:00:25 »
I don't care about legalities, I care about bloodlines.  Laws can change or even be ignored; look at Therese.  She was disowned but a significant chunk of the League followed her when Tamarind seceeded.


The Eagle is absolutely correct.
(Although from the Regulan point of view, any Marik with absolute power is a train wreck just waitin' for the train to arrive  ;) )

If you're going to promote the bloodline, might as well have a real Marik...

The "adoption" of Fake Tommy's brood is a joke, and doesn't give anybody a "Marik bloodline".
If Thaddeus had formally adopted his pet monkey (with great pomp and ceremony) could we then have a monkey as Captain General? (Since the monkey now has a Marik bloodline)
There have been worse Captain Generals than Captain General Johnny Chimpo Marik.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #106 on: 06 October 2018, 15:06:40 »
I don't care about legalities, I care about bloodlines.  Laws can change or even be ignored; look at Therese.  She was disowned but a significant chunk of the League followed her when Tamarind seceeded.


The Eagle is absolutely correct.
(Although from the Regulan point of view, any Marik with absolute power is a train wreck just waitin' for the train to arrive  ;) )

If you're going to promote the bloodline, might as well have a real Marik...

The "adoption" of Fake Tommy's brood is a joke, and doesn't give anybody a "Marik bloodline".
If Thaddeus had formally adopted his pet monkey (with great pomp and ceremony) could we then have a monkey as Captain General? (Since the monkey now has a Marik bloodline)

If politics in the Btu have taught me anything, it’s that trained monkeys do well enough to preserve interstellar empires. Perhaps regulus should get one of their own - it might have come up with a better solution to their recent woes than folding like a sheet of paper

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #107 on: 06 October 2018, 15:11:08 »
If politics in the Btu have taught me anything, it’s that trained monkeys do well enough to preserve interstellar empires. Perhaps regulus should get one of their own - it might have come up with a better solution to their recent woes than folding like a sheet of paper

I see you're unfamiliar with Orangu Cameron-Jones, Chief Librarian of Regulus.

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« Reply #108 on: 06 October 2018, 15:31:29 »
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« Reply #109 on: 06 October 2018, 15:33:24 »
My God!  The Neo-FWL is banana shaped!  The Monkey Conspiracy goes all the way to the top!

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« Reply #110 on: 06 October 2018, 15:48:18 »
My God!  The Neo-FWL is banana shaped!  The Monkey Conspiracy goes all the way to the top!

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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #111 on: 06 October 2018, 16:34:42 »
I don't care about legalities, I care about bloodlines.  Laws can change or even be ignored; look at Therese.  She was disowned but a significant chunk of the League followed her when Tamarind seceeded.


The Eagle is absolutely correct.
(Although from the Regulan point of view, any Marik with absolute power is a train wreck just waitin' for the train to arrive  ;) )

If you're going to promote the bloodline, might as well have a real Marik...

The "adoption" of Fake Tommy's brood is a joke, and doesn't give anybody a "Marik bloodline".
If Thaddeus had formally adopted his pet monkey (with great pomp and ceremony) could we then have a monkey as Captain General? (Since the monkey now has a Marik bloodline)

Eh, the minute anyone says "I don't care about legalities I care about bloodlines" I've already checked out of conversation, because if we're going to go that route the FWL's inheritance is nuclear fire at the hands of the real Thomas Marik, and frankly every "real" Marik Captain-General the setting has ever known after the literal Age of War has been a remarkably useless individual.
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« Reply #112 on: 06 October 2018, 16:59:19 »
Idle curiosity; are there any materials out there for generating a FWL-friendly mercenary unit in current era (3145+) of anywhere from 1 Mech to 1 Company (doesn't have to be 12 Mechs, can be their combat equivalent in a mix of Mechs, Vehicles, and Infantry)? I'm trying to figure out what's plausible for a small-scale, pro-FWL merc group to have at this time.

I'm guessing they'd pull units from the Mercenary list of the MUL, but beyond that I have no idea where to begin.

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« Reply #113 on: 06 October 2018, 21:11:58 »
You do indeed have a resource!  Look at Spotlight on Protectors . . . its post-Jihad but they are a Federal unit that went 'merc' to protect the independent worlds.  You can always mix in random rolls on one of the FWL tables to get it.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #114 on: 06 October 2018, 22:31:44 »
If Thaddeus had formally adopted his pet monkey (with great pomp and ceremony) could we then have a monkey as Captain General? (Since the monkey now has a Marik bloodline)


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« Reply #115 on: 06 October 2018, 23:44:40 »
We have a new head of state line, and they've been doing a pretty bang-up job about it.

From the shattered and disparate remains of a once-proud successor state to launching wars of conquest and rebuking multiple hostile invasion attempts simultaneously in the space of a decade.  When did the pre-Jihad FWL manage to do even one of those things at a time?  I'll give you a hint: literally the Age of War.  Six hundred years ago.
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« Reply #116 on: 07 October 2018, 01:36:28 »
We have a new head of state line, and they've been doing a pretty bang-up job about it.

From the shattered and disparate remains of a once-proud successor state to launching wars of conquest and rebuking multiple hostile invasion attempts simultaneously in the space of a decade.  When did the pre-Jihad FWL manage to do even one of those things at a time?  I'll give you a hint: literally the Age of War.  Six hundred years ago.

Well in answer to your question take a look at mid to end of the Second Succession War after the Comstar war concluded "La Reconquista".

Look here is my problem with the fig leaf of Marikhood of Nikol and sibs. This isn't the case of a Greco-Roman adoption where they were trained for the position by the adopting parent. This isn't an adoption where Thaddeus Marik was a parent to Jessica's kids and raised them as his own. It lasted like 5 minutes/months they had no real interaction and then he was killed off. Them being Marik's is a polite fiction in universe, those who are deeply allied to them pretend it has legitimacy but know it won't hold up to any kind of scrutiny.

Throw in the fact that Thaddeus himself was from the Republic and Nikol has done nothing to secure the Covenant World's loyalty to herself directly, essentially treating them as just another member state it essentially limits her claims to being the heir to Thaddeus Marik.

House Halas has a long history within the FWL Nikol and there is nothing wrong with being a Halas they should just be themselves and be proud of Oriente.

I mean I have some thoughts on some of the steps in Shattered Sphere but Im going to leave that out of here because some people might not have picked it up yet.
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #117 on: 07 October 2018, 03:04:10 »
Look here is my problem with the fig leaf of Marikhood of Nikol and sibs. This isn't the case of a Greco-Roman adoption where they were trained for the position by the adopting parent. This isn't an adoption where Thaddeus Marik was a parent to Jessica's kids and raised them as his own. It lasted like 5 minutes/months they had no real interaction and then he was killed off. Them being Marik's is a polite fiction in universe, those who are deeply allied to them pretend it has legitimacy but know it won't hold up to any kind of scrutiny.

The children were trained in the best manner however- the one that succeeded in re-uniting the League . . . and Jessica had the support of 'real' Mariks- in fact, Fontaine told her she needed to do something to capture the name.  In the fiction, Jessica had a better perception of what it was to be 'Marik' than Anson ever expressed- except for maybe the end.  Thad's little brother (Frederick?) was a power seeker, a behind the scenes dealer.

Royal/dynastic history is littered with those 'fig leaves' as you put it- such as Catherine of Aragon marrying Henry the VIII, IIRC on the fiction the marriage to his brother the former king was never consummated just to keep powerful Spain as a ally against France.  Elizabeth his daughter, the Virgin Queen . . .
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Re: The New Free Worlds League: Thread Title Deadlocked in Committee
« Reply #118 on: 07 October 2018, 09:35:05 »
or a hundred years later when Parliament executed Charles II and brought in William of Orange in the glorious revolution. Or the hilarious mess that led to the War of Spanish Succeesion.

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« Reply #119 on: 07 October 2018, 10:14:59 »
Scotty.  You're telling me that Kenyon I, dick though he was, was a useless CG?  The man conquered five swathes of Hegemony and Confederation space.
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