Surprisingly Inexpensive … [Light Armor]

[Goose]

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Type/Model:    Spamming Reed epsilon
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          14 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  118.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      None
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Spamming Reed epsilon
Mass:          14 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  8 pts Standard                0      1.40
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  11
     Flank MP:  17
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       .70
Crew: 1 Members                              0       .00
Armor Factor:   44 pts Standard              0      2.75

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         15
   Left / Right Sides:        2      11/11
   Rear:                      2          7

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
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TOTALS:                           0          7     13.98
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .02

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        714,970 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    172 (old BV = 54)
Cost per BV:       4,156.8
Weapon Value:      0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 0;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 11T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 2
                   Specials: tran5I was gon'a start a vote, but I'm so rusty, I can't find the button. :(

The point is "I think I've found an engine to standardize upon," but I was hoping to get feedback: Please do comment.

There's a No Prize™ for coming up with a home planet for this silly thing. ;)

This is working backward from an oddball hovercraft …

[Maingunnery]

155 XL, an unusual choice for a standard engine, is it just going to be for vehicles?

[Goose]

Working backwards, from:

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Type/Model:    [nope]
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3067
Config:        V.T.O.L.
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          7 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  313.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 475.2 km/h
Armor Type:    Reactive
Armament:      None
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    [nope]
Mass:          7 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  5 pts Standard                0       .70
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  29
     Flank MP:  44
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       .35
Crew: 1 Members                              0       .00
Rotor Equipment:  Co-axial Rotors            0       .70
Armor Factor:    9 pts Reactive              2       .56

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          2
   Left / Right Sides:        1        2/2
   Rear:                      1          1
   Rotor:                     1          2

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 VTOL Mast Mount                            0       .50
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TOTALS:                           0          4      6.94
Items & Tons Left:                           2       .06

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        486,714 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    127 (old BV = 152)
Cost per BV:       3,832.4
Weapon Value:      0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 0;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 29V,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: VA;  Point Value: 1 :facepalm: I'd forgotten what name I'd picked: Oops.

[Goose]

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Type/Model:    Zoomer drei
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3067
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          15 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  172.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 259.2 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      None
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Zoomer drei
Mass:          15 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  8 pts Standard                0      1.50
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  16
     Flank MP:  24
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       .75
Crew: 1 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      1.50
Armor Factor:   17 pts Standard              0      1.06

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2          6
   Left / Right Sides:        2        4/4
   Rear:                      2          3

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
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TOTALS:                           0          8     14.94
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .06

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        888,030 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    84 (old BV = 18)
Cost per BV:       10,571.79
Weapon Value:      0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 0;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 16H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 1Armor using Cover is always a Good Thing. ;)

But seriously, folks: Standardization is a Harsh Mistress …

[Retry]

Why not a 170 XL?  It weighs the same as a 155.

[Goose]

Show your math …

[Retry]

Show your math …

...Master Engine Table, pg. 49, Tech Manual?

[Daryk]

I think he means the cost...

[Goose]

No: What and how many inexpensive builds do you have on a 170XL?

[Retry]

I think he means the cost...

In that case why pick the 155 XL and not the lighter 145 XL?  The 170 XL is not that much more expensive if the 155 XL is already on the table.  I dunno it, just seems like a weird engine choice for standardization.

No: What and how many inexpensive builds do you have on a 170XL?

When I attempted a "standardized" engine I went with the 100 XL (for ultra-light vehicles and some VTOLs) and the 300 XL (for Battlemechs).

[marcussmythe]

Is that just a battletech thing?  Do we all eventually design a cohesive theoretical military around a 3/5 Assault, 4/6 Heavy Trooper or Fire Support, 5/8 Cavalry, and 6/9 Heavy Scout (with a 10/15 Scout once the XLs hit)?

[Goose]

I would imagine most game systems get it's players to go through something similar …

[Atarlost]

Is that just a battletech thing?  Do we all eventually design a cohesive theoretical military around a 3/5 Assault, 4/6 Heavy Trooper or Fire Support, 5/8 Cavalry, and 6/9 Heavy Scout (with a 10/15 Scout once the XLs hit)?

Well, sticking Vlar 300s in everything is not without precedent.  The Atlas, Orion, Quickdraw, and Chameleon aren't exactly obscure fan creations. 

[marcussmythe]

Well, sticking Vlar 300s in everything is not without precedent.  The Atlas, Orion, Quickdraw, and Chameleon aren't exactly obscure fan creations.

Oh, certainly.  But I have, and I bet Im not the only one, on more than one occasion sat down and built a 'line of battlemechs' all from the same company/star nation, using the same powerplant and similar weapons, with the intent of creating a reasonable logistics train comprehensive military.  Ive done it in 3025 with introtech, Ive done it in 3150 with tripods and maximal tech slosh, and every way in between.

I need help, I think.  :)

[Red Pins]

Don't forget there are rules that allow leeway for frankenmechs that allow them bigger/smaller engines rather than the correct ones.  You might want to do some research.

[Goose]

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                   * CUSTOM WEAPON

Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle fünf
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:     
  1 Light PPC*
  1 Small X-Pulse Laser
  1 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle fünf
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  10 pts Standard               0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Turret Equipment:                            0       .40
Armor Factor:  107 pts Ferro-Fibrous         2      5.97

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         33
   Left / Right Sides:        2      21/21
   Rear:                      2         14
   Turret:                    2         18

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 Light PPC*             Turret   5          1      3.00
1 Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret   3          1      1.00
1 ER Small Laser         Front    2          1       .50
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TOTALS:                          10          7     20.00
Items & Tons Left:                           2       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,694,443 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    667 (old BV = 437)
Cost per BV:       2,540.39
Weapon Value:      212 / 212 (Ratio = .32 / .32)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 8;  MRDmg = 3;  LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 4
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 7 :)) I feel only a skoush bad about the price.

[Daryk]

It's around the cost of a Locust, and would most likely be able to take one...

[marcussmythe]

I like the Ivory Handle.  Thats a nasty little harrasser.  Might move some armor from front to turret and rear, to get Turret to the AC/20 threshold and the rear to the Gauss Threshold.  I like 21 on the sides, thats 3 CERMlas.

[Goose]

…That's worthy of it's own thread.

Get to it! ;)

[Goose]

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Type/Model:    Monty Python Spamity Spam
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          25 tons
Power Plant:   150 Omni XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  4 LRM 5s
  1 Small X-Pulse Laser
  1 Laser AMS
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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==Capabilities:==
fluff

Narrow Profile 3
Compact 1

Difficult to Maintain -1
Poor Sealing -2

Add 33,333c-bills to account for the oversized Nissan 155xl

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Type/Model:    Monty Python Spamity Spam
Mass:          25 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  15 pts Standard               0      2.50
Engine:        150 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:   6
     Flank MP:   9
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.25
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Turret Equipment:                            0       .25
Armor Factor:   45 pts Standard              0      2.81

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     3         15
   Left / Right Sides:        3        9/9
   Rear:                      3          6
   Turret:                    3          6

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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4 LRM 5s                 Front    0   72     5     11.00
1 Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret   3          1      1.00
1 Laser AMS              Turret   7          1      1.50
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment     Body                1       .50
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TOTALS:                          10         10     24.94
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .06

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,978,563 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    558 (old BV = 430)
Cost per BV:       3,545.81
Weapon Value:      136 / 136 (Ratio = .24 / .24)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 9;  MRDmg = 9;  LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2:      MP: 6T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 6
                   Specials: ifTotal of £‭2,011,896‬

I can't tell if I lost the point of the exercise at this price.

But, with only a little slight-of-hand, I've extended this shtick even farther, and thus increased my odds of landing some financial backing to get this engine factory built. ^-^

[DOC_Agren]

Oh, certainly.  But I have, and I bet Im not the only one, on more than one occasion sat down and built a 'line of battlemechs' all from the same company/star nation, using the same powerplant and similar weapons, with the intent of creating a reasonable logistics train comprehensive military.  Ive done it in 3025 with introtech, Ive done it in 3150 with tripods and maximal tech slosh, and every way in between.

I need help, I think.  :)

"reasonable logistics" and Battletech are you trying to kill Cat Girls?   ;D :D
this isn't the Star League who fields Companies of the same mech

[Atarlost]

"reasonable logistics" and Battletech are you trying to kill Cat Girls?   ;D :D
this isn't the Star League who fields Companies of the same mech

Your precious Cat Girls are destroying my supply depots -- Marion Marik (2578)

[Goose]

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle Tin Star
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:     
  3 LRM 5s
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle Tin Star
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  10 pts Standard               0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Turret Equipment:                            0       .60
Armor Factor:   31 pts Ferro-Fibrous         2      1.73

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         10
   Left / Right Sides:        2        6/6
   Rear:                      2          4
   Turret:                    2          5

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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3 LRM 5s                 Turret   0   48     4      8.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment     Body                1       .50
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TOTALS:                           0          9     19.96
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .04

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,587,973 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    524 (old BV = 430)
Cost per BV:       3,030.48
Weapon Value:      71 / 71 (Ratio = .14 / .14)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 5;  MRDmg = 7;  LRDmg = 4
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 5
                   Specials: ifI had to stop and think about it, but "How do you lay down a minefield quickly and cheaply?" :-\

All the standard answers involved a bigger, more expensive vehicle; I'm also hoping the raw speed comes in handy for rearming after seeding the field, using maybe only two of these. I even gave it a turret to conserve movement points …

[Hellraiser]

1.  Interesting Concept.

2.  Where is the 7/11 25 Ton Wheeled Chassis?   Your missing something here.

3.  Make 1 of those hovers an Omni & then you don't have to give it 6 tons of BA cargo,  they can just ride the outside.
   (4 Tons of Omni space on the little one will increase Armor nearly triple & then you can have 2 squads on board.)

[Goose]

I reckon only civilians have any regard for wheeled; Build a large wheeled tank, then eyeball the price for a similarly sized tread. :fine_print:

Omnis take up two bays, to cover storage for the other configs? :(

Oh, yeah: http://www.mordel.net/barandgrill.php?redirect=viewtopic&p=108038#108038

[Hellraiser]

I reckon only civilians have any regard for wheeled; Build a large wheeled tank, then eyeball the price for a similarly sized tread. :fine_print:

Omnis take up two bays, to cover storage for the other configs? :(

Oh, yeah: http://www.mordel.net/barandgrill.php?redirect=viewtopic&p=108038#108038

Wheeled seems to work well for USA Army Striker Brigades,  just saying.
Even on the BT map, your talking some use as APCs, LRM Carriers, Infantry Support Vehicles.  Etc etc.
Though the fact that your using an XL for everything tells me you shouldn't be caring about price at all.

Why on earth do Omni's take up a 2nd bay?   Some spare cargo room maybe, and not much more than the replacement parts a normal unit would need.  You replace the LL of a standard unit, v/s you replace it with 2 ERML & LRM5 w/ Ammo for Omni, either way its 5 tons of parts.

[Goose]

Though the fact that your using an XL for everything tells me you shouldn't be caring about price at all.

That's what I was illostrating, Hoss: Price is primary size-driven.

http://www.mordel.net/barandgrill.php?redirect=viewtopic&p=107317&highlight=#107317  xp

[kaliban]

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                      VALIDATED

Type/Model:    Spamming Reed epsilon
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          14 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  118.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 183.6 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      None
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Spamming Reed epsilon
Mass:          14 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  8 pts Standard                0      1.40
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  11
     Flank MP:  17
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       .70
Crew: 1 Members                              0       .00
Armor Factor:   44 pts Standard              0      2.75

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         15
   Left / Right Sides:        2      11/11
   Rear:                      2          7

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
Infantry Bay             Body                1      1.00
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TOTALS:                           0          7     13.98
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .02

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        714,970 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    172 (old BV = 54)
Cost per BV:       4,156.8
Weapon Value:      0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 0;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 11T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 2
                   Specials: tran5I was gon'a start a vote, but I'm so rusty, I can't find the button. :(

The point is "I think I've found an engine to standardize upon," but I was hoping to get feedback: Please do comment.

There's a No Prize™ for coming up with a home planet for this silly thing. ;)

This is working backward from an oddball hovercraft …

The Fusion XL Engine makes it extremely expensive. Consider a Fuel Cell unless you go with Energy Weapons

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                   * CUSTOM WEAPON

Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle fünf
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:     
  1 Light PPC*
  1 Small X-Pulse Laser
  1 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle fünf
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  10 pts Standard               0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Turret Equipment:                            0       .40
Armor Factor:  107 pts Ferro-Fibrous         2      5.97

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         33
   Left / Right Sides:        2      21/21
   Rear:                      2         14
   Turret:                    2         18

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 Light PPC*             Turret   5          1      3.00
1 Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret   3          1      1.00
1 ER Small Laser         Front    2          1       .50
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TOTALS:                          10          7     20.00
Items & Tons Left:                           2       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,694,443 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    667 (old BV = 437)
Cost per BV:       2,540.39
Weapon Value:      212 / 212 (Ratio = .32 / .32)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 8;  MRDmg = 3;  LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 4
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 7 :)) I feel only a skoush bad about the price.

If you make it smaller (15ton) and slower (8/12 or 9/14) it gets much cheap as the engine gets very small.
You can try the same with VTOLs.

[Hellraiser]

That's what I was illostrating, Hoss: Price is primary size-driven.

http://www.mordel.net/barandgrill.php?redirect=viewtopic&p=107317&highlight=#107317  xp

I'd say its primarily Engine-driven, with size being 2nd.

In the case of your example on Mordel, I'd say its all the special tech more than anything.

Because a bog standard L1 Demolisher is 1/2 the price of that thing at $2,079,000 or roughly the same price as your 25 ton unit above with the XL engine.

[Daryk]

Vehicles in that speed/tonnage range can be had for less than 1M...

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                   * CUSTOM WEAPON

Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle sieben
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:     
  2 Light PPCs*
  1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle sieben
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  10 pts Standard               0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Turret Equipment:                            0       .65
Armor Factor:   48 pts Ferro-Fibrous         2      2.68

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         10
   Left / Right Sides:        2      10/10
   Rear:                      2         10
   Turret:                    2          8

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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2 Light PPCs*            Turret  10          2      6.00
1 Anti-Missile System    Turret   0    6     2      1.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment     Body                1       .50
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                          10          9     19.96
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .04

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,966,323 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    687 (old BV = 555)
Cost per BV:       2,862.19
Weapon Value:      140 / 140 (Ratio = .20 / .20)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 8;  MRDmg = 6;  LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/1/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 7I'm telling myself "I've shoehorned a AAA platform into a light hover," but it will always suffer badly, compared to a Large X-Pulse build …

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
                   * CUSTOM WEAPON

Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle Glorified BB Gun
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  1 Autocannon/2
  1 Light Machine Gun*
  1 Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle Glorified BB Gun
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  8 pts Standard                0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Armor Factor:   25 pts Standard              0      1.56

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2          9
   Left / Right Sides:        2        6/6
   Rear:                      2          4

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Autocannon/2           Front    0   45     2      7.00
1 Light Machine Gun*     Front    0   50     2       .75
1 Anti-Missile System    Front    0    6     2      1.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment     Body                1       .50
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TOTALS:                           0          9     19.94
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .06

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,602,148 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    273 (old BV = 184)
Cost per BV:       5,868.68
Weapon Value:      13 / 13 (Ratio = .05 / .05)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 2;  MRDmg = 2;  LRDmg = 1
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 3 :( Doctrine? "XL-Powered Field Guns"? Weren't those supposed to be dirt cheap?

But if you want your battlegroup to be as fast as you troop transports, and any fire will get troops to go prone, then maybe you can pin down the enemy without tiring up your fighter screen.

[Daryk]

It costs the same as a Locust, but could take one in open terrain.

[Retry]

It actually wouldn't be a bad idea on a cheaper (non-XLE) chassis...

[Goose]

It's around the cost of a Locust, and would most likely be able to take one...

It costs the same as a Locust, but could take one in open terrain.

:-X

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle OmmPaPa
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  6 SRM 4 (I-OS)s
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle OmmPaPa
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  8 pts Standard                0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Armor Factor:   29 pts Standard              0      1.81

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         10
   Left / Right Sides:        2        7/7
   Rear:                      2          5

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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6 SRM 4 (I-OS)s          Front    0          6      9.00
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TOTALS:                           0          8     19.94
Items & Tons Left:                           1       .06

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,683,873 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    246 (old BV = 158)
Cost per BV:       6,845.01
Weapon Value:      45 / 45 (Ratio = .18 / .18)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 37;  MRDmg = 6;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 2So: Will it live long enough to go home and rearm?

Or do you need a turret to do drive-byes with?

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Type/Model:    Hilton Head Internment Resorts Courtesy Shuttle
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3058
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          17 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  97.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:      None
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Hilton Head Internment Resorts Courtesy Shuttle
Mass:          17 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  8 pts Standard                0      1.70
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:   9
     Flank MP:  14
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       .85
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Armor Factor:   21 pts Standard              0      1.31

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2          8
   Left / Right Sides:        2        5/5
   Rear:                      2          3

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
Heavy Battlesuit Couch   Body                1      1.50
Heavy Battlesuit Couch   Body                1      1.50
Heavy Battlesuit Couch   Body                1      1.50
Heavy Battlesuit Couch   Body                1      1.50
Heavy Battlesuit Couch   Body                1      1.50
Heavy Battlesuit Couch   Body                1      1.50
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TOTALS:                           0          8     16.99
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .01

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        867,282 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    100 (old BV = 28)
Cost per BV:       8,672.82
Weapon Value:      0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 0;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 9T,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 1
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 1

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                   * CUSTOM WEAPON

Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle One-Punch Bowl
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3062
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          20 tons
Power Plant:   155 Nissan XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  4 Rocket Launcher 20 (OS)s
  1 Light Machine Gun*
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Ivroy Handle One-Punch Bowl
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  10 pts Standard               0      2.00
Engine:        155 XL Fusion                 2      2.75
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.38
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.00
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.00
Turret Equipment:                            0       .60
Armor Factor:   44 pts Standard              0      2.75

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     2         13
   Left / Right Sides:        2        9/9
   Rear:                      2          6
   Turret:                    2          7

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
4 Rocket Launcher 20 (OS)Turret   0          4      6.00
1 Light Machine Gun*     Front    0  100     2      1.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment     Body                1       .50
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TOTALS:                           0          9     19.98
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .02

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,627,383 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    435 (old BV = 317)
Cost per BV:       3,741.11
Weapon Value:      101 / 101 (Ratio = .23 / .23)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 56;  MRDmg = 16;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 2
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 4
I do wish I'd thought of the name, sooner …  ::)

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          BattleTech Vehicle Technical Readout
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Type/Model:    Moblel Cover Alpha
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        Hovercraft
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          23 tons
Power Plant:   150 Omni XL Fusion
Cruise Speed:  129.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 194.4 km/h
Armor Type:    Standard
Armament:     
  1 Small X-Pulse Laser
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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==Capabilities:==
Narrow Profile 3
Compact 1

Difficult to Maintain -1
Poor Sealing -2

Add 33,333~c-bills to account for the oversized Nissan 155xl


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Type/Model:    Moblel Cover Alpha
Mass:          23 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:  15 pts Standard               0      2.30
Engine:        150 XL Fusion                 2      3.07
Shielding & Transmission Equipment:          0      1.53
    Cruise MP:  12
     Flank MP:  18
Heat Sinks:     10 Single                    0       .00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0      1.15
Crew: 2 Members                              0       .00
Lift Equipment:                              0      2.30
Turret Equipment:                            0       .10
Armor Factor:   88 pts Standard              0      5.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     3         27
   Left / Right Sides:        3      17/17
   Rear:                      3         12
   Turret:                    3         15

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret   3          1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
Battlesuit Couch         Body                1      1.00
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TOTALS:                           3          9     22.95
Items & Tons Left:                           0       .05

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,587,020 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    343 (old BV = 137)
Cost per BV:       4,626.88
Weapon Value:      29 / 29 (Ratio = .08 / .08)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 2;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 12H,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 3
                   Damage PB/M/L: -/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: GL;  Point Value: 3
What price managing the batteries in battlesuits?  :-\

[Col Toda]

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