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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #30 on: 08 July 2020, 13:39:00 »
it's ok to mix in a bit of new school with the old school.  I'd rather have a sword made in the 21st century over one that hasn't been the best cared for and made in the 14th century; still a sword.

My goal is to not get a 20th century piece of tech out there, but a 31st century recreation that has opportunities to keep up with modern tech, albeit probably more on a planetary militia/police scale.
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« Reply #31 on: 08 July 2020, 14:07:34 »
I think the Ferret might be your go to in that case, then...
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« Reply #32 on: 08 July 2020, 15:34:57 »
Quote from: Daryk on 08 July 2020, 14:07:34
I think the Ferret might be your go to in that case, then...

That's a competitor's machine!  I like the old is new again routine. ... and it has even less armor!

and it looks kind of difficult to make variants of.  Even swapping out the engine will get you maybe .5 tons (going fusion, xl, etc)

got some prelim data on Pave Low (21 tons) and Blackhawk (11 tons)

looking at their speeds, I don't think SV rules may work in their favor either.
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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #33 on: 08 July 2020, 15:56:41 »
Wait, Wait!

These are vanity designs! If Kell & Wolf and play American Civil War, others looking back to the dawn of aerial warfare and getting some old, but updated designs that can still serve when needed.

yeah, that's a partial ticket!

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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #34 on: 08 July 2020, 16:30:38 »
Like how General Lee got his AK47?

(Harry Turtledove)

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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #35 on: 08 July 2020, 17:58:14 »
Quote from: truetanker on 08 July 2020, 16:30:38
Like how General Lee got his AK47?

(Harry Turtledove)

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Not familiar with that one, ages ago I read Stainless Steel Rat --I can barely remember anything except the cover.

But sort of ... Or like to think of some of these as engineering school projects that are given some limited life.  I loved ST IV when Sulu got a chance to pilot a Huey.


[edit: note design update.  Someone forgot to utilize SF correctly! it moves 12/18 now, 24 sprinting -- 6 hexes short of the max speed IRL-ish]
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« Reply #36 on: 08 July 2020, 18:33:34 »
I wish I could get all of my thoughts down correctly and at one time ... oh, well.

20th-21st century ICE technology is creaming the BTU in terms of speed and weight.

A typical BTU combat rated ICE engine does, however, get 1,000 km in range.  I would imagine they're a bit better on pollution, too.

Once you start piling on modern (BTU) control equipment, weapons, and especially BTU armor everything changes (How is this game not based on RL stats! *JOKING*).

gonna need some compromises for my other designs (still surprised how the Huey came out really good imo, but then again it was a sub 5t design using infantry scale weapons)
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« Reply #37 on: 09 July 2020, 03:34:46 »
Oh, if your goal is just to create a 31st century equivalent to the Hind, the sky's the limit. Don't confine yourself to anything the actual Hind did; just build it to get the speed and firepower you're looking for, even if you gotta go to the max tonnage to get there.

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« Reply #38 on: 09 July 2020, 11:43:53 »
... all while trying to maintain a certain vibe I guess.  Even at 12/18 I'm still happy with it.

I don't want or need perfect, 'kewl' and flawed is still good for me.

So, I think what I'm trying is to get as close as I can, remain cool-ish, updated to a degree, be somewhat useful.

For a PAVE Low variant I went with an XL engine, ECM, and Stealth armor -- I had to! The main has a fuel cell and more cargo/infantry.
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« Reply #39 on: 09 July 2020, 12:45:31 »
But can you make a Resident Evil Osprey?   xp

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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #40 on: 09 July 2020, 14:59:02 »
Quote from: truetanker on 09 July 2020, 12:45:31
But can you make a Resident Evil Osprey?   xp

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[YosemiteSam] I hate's you, Rabbit [/YosemiteSam]

Just for arguments sake: VTOL or Fixed-Wing w/VSTOL? ... I'm thinking VTOL.  Anything over 5t is not going to farewell in the 'how close is it to our machine'
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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #41 on: 09 July 2020, 16:01:33 »
]Stee Urkal] Did I do that? [Steve Urkal]

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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #42 on: 11 July 2020, 19:13:01 »
Test post:
Code: [Select]
L-1 Support Tech C Mass
Type Huey Transport/Trainer 4.3
Movement Type VTOL
Power Plant ICE         2.15
     CRUISE 11 (119 kph) (74 mph)
     FLANK 17 (184 kph) (115 mph)
Internal Struct 1         .989
Control Equip. 2 Crew         .15
Fuel 860 km (537 miles) .185
Armor Factor 5 BAR-3 .12
FRONT 1
RIGHT/LEFT SIDE 1/1
REAR 1
TURRET/ROTOR 1
(1/5 slots)
EQUIPMENT Cargo -701 kg .701


Edit: huh, whodda thunk it -- my table in word ported over well.  can't do full set of columns, but basic spacing issues and it works.   Putting this over in non-com vehs.
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« Reply #43 on: 11 July 2020, 19:23:54 »
Code tags switch to a monospace font and recognize tab stops.  That's really all they do, but it does make plain text work well.
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Re: Be-"Hind" you ... 20th-21st Centurty Designs
« Reply #44 on: 12 July 2020, 13:28:16 »
Quote from: truetanker on 08 July 2020, 16:30:38
Like how General Lee got his AK47?

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Guns of the South interesting read
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« Reply #45 on: 14 July 2020, 10:25:24 »
His WWII is also kinda neat.

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