Motorized and Mechanized infantry

[Daryk]

But not 9/14, though...

[Nav_Alpha]

Oh I know,  I was kidding around with the pictures.

That said, as mentioned, they "can" fight while mounted, its just not a good idea, unless your in a car chase in an 80's action film.


And I think this is good reasoning for the low speeds & if we have a "sprinting" rule that applies to all infantry it might go a long way to balance them.

Moving my Motorized Support platoons 4MP a turn till I get into shooting range would be nice.

I think you’ve got a point. It would good if you had the ability to “sprint up” and then change movement type to a fire and move, slower speed.
But the mechanics of the game just don’t really take infantry into account - it’s a game of armoured robots, not infantry and all that, etc

[Weirdo]

But not 9/14, though...

That's what dedicated APCs with their own record sheets are for. Mechinf costs you MP, but you gain in crunch reduction.

Since both options are available to players, everybody has gotten what they want. :thumbsup:

I think you’ve got a point. It would good if you had the ability to “sprint up” and then change movement type to a fire and move, slower speed.
But the mechanics of the game just don’t really take infantry into account - it’s a game of armoured robots, not infantry and all that, etc

As was mentioned earlier, that already exists in TacOps.

[Daryk]

I suppose... I'll take the crunch any day.

[Retry]

I wanted an intuitive infantry system myself, can't say I feel satiated.

[RifleMech]

not really ... any aircraft of that era should be terrified by any fire arms.

True but its what I think of when I think of Microlite Infantry Platoons. A flight of WWI airplanes. That or this.  :)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8n4wftl08

[Wolf72]

True but its what I think of when I think of Microlite Infantry Platoons. A flight of WWI airplanes. That or this.  :)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8n4wftl08

The buzzing! The buzzing!  I need to read up a bit on them and see what kind of weapons they can have.  Hopefully some sort of bombs, or maybe just carry grenades!

[Kovax]

Would a "Microlite" vehicle be anything like a hang-glider?  Most modern Ultra-light aircraft are extremely frail even compared to a WWI fighter plane.

[dgorsman]

It's pretty much either a reinforced hang glider with a mounted engine, or a parasail with a smaller back pack mounted caged prop.  Apparently you can fit two of the latter in a modified external drop tank.  They're not for combat but rather mobility.

[Wolf72]

just did some rereading ... max of 2 troopers and 4 squads for microlite! -- so very small.  Microcopter at 4 troopers and 4 squads.  Just something to keep in mind when I make a design/unit

[RifleMech]

The weight of a microlite squad is 3 tons so that would put it about the weight of a ultra-light which weigh 254 pounds or less. A Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.8 is a two seat biplane that weighs: 1,470 lb (668 kg). So it's close in weight to the TO version. The speed also works out. Only WWI aircraft can carry support weapons and bombs. So they'd work but not work. I would have thought that some support weapons, those with a crew of 1, could be used. 

[Weirdo]

Never look to reality to determine what should work, you'll only get a headache. Only look to the rules.

[RifleMech]

Never look to reality to determine what should work, you'll only get a headache. Only look to the rules.

True. Not that they don't sometimes give me headaches too.  xp I'm mostly trying to get a visual in my head.

Unfortunately I can't use Little Nellie for MicroCopter Infantry.  ;D

[Wolf72]

The weight of a microlite squad is 3 tons ...

OMG that tidbit was waaaay down in a table.  Totally assumed they were 1 ton per trooper like other mechanized. 

And slightly off topic: Is there a difference in the foot and motorized infantry weights between the 2013 and 2018 TechManuals?

[RifleMech]

OMG that tidbit was waaaay down in a table.  Totally assumed they were 1 ton per trooper like other mechanized. 

And slightly off topic: Is there a difference in the foot and motorized infantry weights between the 2013 and 2018 TechManuals?

Yeah I had to hunt for it. MicroCopters have a different weight too. 2 tons per trooper.  Actually, +1.9 tons per trooper.

I'm not sure about those editions but the 2007 version has different weights from the latest version

Old Weight
Foot 0.1 ton per trooper
Jump 0.21 ton per trooper
Motorized 0.18 ton per trooper
Mechanized  1 ton per 5 troopers

New Weight
Foot 0.085 ton per trooper
Jump 0.195 ton per trooper
Motorized 0.165 ton per trooper
Mechanized  1 ton per 5 troopers

I hadn't even noticed the new weights for infantry. I wonder why the change. Not that I'm complaining.

[dgorsman]

There's now a rebate/extra spend for anti-Mech equipped units.  Units without the training and equipment are fractionally lighter.

It's covered in the TechManual errata PDF.

[RifleMech]

Cool! Thanks!  :thumbsup: :beer:

[Daryk]

It's amazing what 15kg of satchel charges and grappling hooks will get you...

[Wolf72]

There's now a rebate/extra spend for anti-Mech equipped units.  Units without the training and equipment are fractionally lighter.

It's covered in the TechManual errata PDF.

Also saw in TO that there were other add-ons for infantry that cost .005 and so on ... wow, infantry are now like mini-mini mechs! (which is good, but have a lot more reading to do). ... wait, that may have in been in the newer TM.  pdfs blurring together.

[Talen5000]

Just to be clear, I asked this before but can't find it on the forum, mechanized travels in light APCs and motorized has motorcycles and jeeps, right?

Simplest rule?

Yes and no.

Motorised and Mechanised are the same except one is tougher and masses more. There is a rule difference but the descriptions of what each version is don't match. As I.understand it, this is because the design rules weren't thorough enough, so if a designer wanted to specify a certain movement mode, they were allocated the mechanised type even if they would be better described as motorised.

[Hellraiser]

The nice thing about those Anti-Mech weight reductions is things like a 36 man Motorized Platoon for C* being able to fit into the 6 ton bay of a 28 man platoon by giving up the Anti mech abilities.

Or a Jump Platoon at 30 men being able to fit into the same bay on say a Karnov to deploy an over sized platoon via air drop.

[DOC_Agren]

right! the copter and microlite guys ... sheesh! I can't imagine flying around a battlefield in a microlite (I am using that correctly, right?)

I'm sure it is perfectly safe, and not at all crying out for a LBX and someone yelling "PULL"

[Daryk]

DOC, was that madness from the 50s or the 60s?  ???

[SteelRaven]

DOC, was that madness from the 50s or the 60s?  ???

Madness is relative, DARPA was talking about making Flying Humvees just ten years ago. 

[RifleMech]

 >:D  Sweet!

[Wrangler]

Isn't one big differences between the Motorized and Mechanized troops that the Motor type can cut through buildings fairly quickly, which later is plain slow but packs firepower and more troops?

[Wolf72]

I'm sure it is perfectly safe, and not at all crying out for a LBX and someone yelling "PULL"

What's the damage when infantry is out in the open ... either way, I think you've found the illustration of 'out in the open'!

yeah, what is gained in mobility is lost in cover.  Microcopter/lite troops can be armored right? (any loss of movement with armor?)

[Weirdo]

Isn't one big differences between the Motorized and Mechanized troops that the Motor type can cut through buildings fairly quickly, which later is plain slow but packs firepower and more troops?

Sorta. Motor troops only pay 1MP to move through a building, while mechinf pay 2MP. Both can usually move through cities a lot faster than almost anything else.

Firepower and troop counts are dependent solely on what guns the platoon is equipped with and how many man's the designer put in there. The generic platoon sizes usually make mechinf smaller, but there's no requirement to do so.

[Hellraiser]

I'm not a fan of "Mechanized" infantry as a whole.

1.  I think due to their weight, they should PURELY be garrison troops.

Also, the above works well since if they run into locals acting up the #1 thing they will face is small arms which they take reduced damage from.

Finally they are a bit faster in most cases when it comes to moving around on their own for short distances.


2.  Motorized on the other hand are easier to transport in APCs for high speed longer distance travel.  They also take reduced damage from heavy weapons which they likely face when attacking another world.




And why on earth do we need a Flying Humvee when we have a Black Hawk ?

[SteelRaven]

And why on earth do we need a Flying Humvee when we have a Black Hawk ?

That was the qestion everyone was asking and I'm sure why we never saw the prototype. Keep in mind, our game has LAMs with a die hard fan base for that particular unit because 'Transformers!'.