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Identify this ASF...
« on: 17 March 2018, 16:32:22 »
I was perusing an old copy of TRO:3057 and ran across this image (by Duane Loose). I'm drawing a blank on the name. I did a quick look through TRO:3075 but did not find updated (Chaffee) artwork. Can anyone help me out?


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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #2 on: 17 March 2018, 16:48:45 »
My first thought was Centurion, but that's not the case. This one may have never gotten a name or stats.

Thunderbird I think

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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #3 on: 17 March 2018, 17:02:13 »
Thunderbird is the Bug-eyed looking bird.

I thought Centurion, too, but a quick run-through sarna shows that while close, it's no the same. Even took a moment to thumb through my copy to see if it wasn't a dropship, since some of those look like fighters.

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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #4 on: 17 March 2018, 17:16:38 »
i've got a full folder of RS art for virtually every design with an RS and it matches no known design I have (the aforementioned centurion is the closest)

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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #5 on: 17 March 2018, 17:39:52 »
The 3057 fighter art is pretty weird though. Not just in how it looks (I'm looking at you Thunderbird). Some of it was definitely for fighters that already had art (The art now used for the Eagle was originally supposed to be the Hammerhead), and a lot of it appears to have been thrown in with no regard for what it was supposed to be. The images weren't specifically identified with specific fighters until the Aerotech 2 rules came out.

It could be the art in question was drawn with no fighter at all in mind. Alternately, it could be intended to represent another Star League era fighter that already had different art, like a spad or some such.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #6 on: 17 March 2018, 17:52:53 »
The new fighter drawings in TR3057 were for the designs found in the original AeroTech boxed set. Some were updated for TR3075, others were completely redesigned. This image was meant to be the Sabre.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #7 on: 17 March 2018, 17:57:27 »
Interesting. Honestly, I'm glad they went with the image from Aerotech 2 instead.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #8 on: 17 March 2018, 22:23:51 »
Interesting, looks like it was inspired by a WWII era sea plane.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #9 on: 18 March 2018, 16:00:33 »
The new fighter drawings in TR3057 were for the designs found in the original AeroTech boxed set. Some were updated for TR3075, others were completely redesigned. This image was meant to be the Sabre.
Thank you. The Sabre was my initial guess but I didn't know whether or not the image was assigned to another unit in a newer product.

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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #10 on: 19 March 2018, 18:26:06 »
I think it was orginally supoposed to be the lightning.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #11 on: 19 March 2018, 18:27:48 »
I'm taking ColBosch's word on this one...

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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #12 on: 20 March 2018, 01:35:31 »
I didn't pull it out of thin air. The Lightning's picture is on page 183 of TR3057, in the Medium Fighter section, near its stat block (as with all the fighter images, aside from the Vulcan, which is on the very last page of the book). As TR3075, pg. 251, shows, Doug barely changed it.

Here's the complete list:
TR3057, pg. 179 / TR3075, pg. 212: Sabre (completely redesigned)
TR3057, pg. 181 / TR3075, pg. 231: Centurion (identical)
TR3057, pg. 183 / TR3075, pg. 251: Lightning (identical)
TR3057, pg. 185 / TR3075, pg. 189: Hellcat (identical)
TR3057, pg. 187 / TR3075, pg. 265: Eagle (identical)
TR3057, pg. 189 / TR3075, pg. 287: Thunderbird (identical)
TR3057, pg. 224 / TR3075, pg. 303: Vulcan (completely redesigned, thank God)

Keep in mind that AeroTech was originally going to use the fighter visuals from the Crusher Joe anime. Only one design carried that over, the SL-25 Samurai from Sorenson's Sabres, as pictured on the cover of the original AeroTech boxed set. When that plan fell through, either because 21st Century Imports couldn't supply enough model kits or because FASA started getting cold feet about using licensed images, all of the fighters were redesigned by David Deitrick. Go back and look through the old sourcebooks, and you'll see that every picture of a given fighter shows it from the exact same angle. For years, FASA treated Mr. Deitrick's drawings as clip art, barely modifying them from product to product. This wasn't uncommon, even with Duana Loose's 'Mechs, but it was especially pronounced with the aerospace fighters. I don't think Mr. Deitrick ever worked with FASA again, which also explains oddities like the Stuka miniature's weird, tiny cockpit. The artwork shows it from below, and without the original artist's feedback, the sculptor had to make his best guess.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #13 on: 20 March 2018, 02:20:38 »
Man, now I'm going to be up all night trying to find my old TRO 3057 so I can see what the vulcan used to look like. I don't even know if it still has a last page.

EDIT: Though I will pedantically point out that the eagle art was actually identified as the Hammerhead in the original TRO3057 on the intro page of the Fighter section, complete with the schematic layout and an arrow pointing to the autocannon. I remember that much clearly enough because after Aerotech 2 came out, there was someone on the board complaining that the Hammerhead had been switched back to it's original art.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #14 on: 20 March 2018, 02:39:57 »
Man, now I'm going to be up all night trying to find my old TRO 3057 so I can see what the vulcan used to look like. I don't even know if it still has a last page.

EDIT: Though I will pedantically point out that the eagle art was actually identified as the Hammerhead in the original TRO3057 on the intro page of the Fighter section, complete with the schematic layout and an arrow pointing to the autocannon. I remember that much clearly enough because after Aerotech 2 came out, there was someone on the board complaining that the Hammerhead had been switched back to it's original art.

Yup, I saw that. I laughed.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #15 on: 20 March 2018, 02:44:10 »
Here, I'll save you all the trouble of digging up your copies of 3057. Enjoy!
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #16 on: 20 March 2018, 03:27:22 »
I'd completely forgotten that image. Lol... squashed version of the Redtail from Cowboy Bebop.

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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #17 on: 20 March 2018, 03:33:53 »
Here, I'll save you all the trouble of digging up your copies of 3057. Enjoy!
OMG, that thing is just horrible to look at.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #18 on: 20 March 2018, 03:57:37 »
I dunno, I think it has a certain charm...no, I'm sorry, that thing is just awful. TR3057 has problems. ;D
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« Reply #19 on: 20 March 2018, 07:34:32 »
Clearly it's a MiG-28. It's just hard to tell because it's in an inverted dive.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #20 on: 20 March 2018, 11:44:10 »
Here, I'll save you all the trouble of digging up your copies of 3057. Enjoy!

Wow. That's... wow. Who needs aerodynamics when you've got a fusion torch?
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #21 on: 20 March 2018, 11:58:50 »
Images in TRO3057 are causing troubles all the time. With the warships we have two valid artworks for each design - and even miniatures for both. I remember my confusion when all the artwork changed from BattleSpace to TRO3057.

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« Reply #22 on: 20 March 2018, 12:22:14 »
Images in TRO3057 are causing troubles all the time. With the warships we have two valid artworks for each design - and even miniatures for both. I remember my confusion when all the artwork changed from BattleSpace to TRO3057.

BattleSpace used the TR3057 art. Do you mean Technical Readout 2750?
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #23 on: 20 March 2018, 12:27:39 »
a colour image of this ASF is on the frontispiece of HMP Aero I think

I always thought it wasn't bad looking.

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« Reply #24 on: 20 March 2018, 15:23:23 »
And I thought I knew all the ASF designs.....nope.
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« Reply #25 on: 20 March 2018, 16:10:29 »
BattleSpace used the TR3057 art. Do you mean Technical Readout 2750?

My version of BattleSpace has all the TRO2750 art and the good old ASF like the Samurai.

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« Reply #26 on: 20 March 2018, 16:21:22 »
My version of BattleSpace has all the TRO2750 art and the good old ASF like the Samurai.

Yep. It predates TRO 3057 and the art changes.
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #27 on: 20 March 2018, 17:13:32 »
a colour image of this ASF is on the frontispiece of HMP Aero I think
So it is. Thank you for that, it led me to FM: Periphery where it is labeled as a First Alliance Air Wing (Centurion).

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« Reply #28 on: 20 March 2018, 17:43:52 »
Yep. It predates TRO 3057 and the art changes.

Huh. First, I am surprised I misremembered that. Second, my BattleSpace rulebook turns out to be a bad misprint and has over a dozen completely blank pages. *sighs*
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Re: Identify this ASF...
« Reply #29 on: 22 March 2018, 07:52:41 »
Huh. First, I am surprised I misremembered that. Second, my BattleSpace rulebook turns out to be a bad misprint and has over a dozen completely blank pages. *sighs*

I had that happen with my old Record Sheets: Light Mechs book. Always figured I'd just get another copy next time I saw one... never did find another, so the bad one is still on my shelf. (Of course, between using printing programs for sheets and not having played in a long time now, it's never been an issue.)
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