WSotW: Kimagure

[Luciora]

Part of my idea was to bulk up the underside and add a prow to the exit barrel, hence my thought of taking off the hatchet, but what you guys say makes sense to just integrate the hatchet into the added parts.

I also considered using a Conqueror as the base mini to represent some of the other modifications done to the ship,  as in the larger cargo and added flight decks.  I did think of integrating some side paneling for the launch bays instead of forward facing.

I'm putting in alot of RL:Leviathan and anime ideas into the mod thought.  ;D

A semi-external mount like that would certainly explain why the single shot fired did so much damage to Surprise's frame.

For a mass driver you intend to use more than once, you really want that gun as close to the keel as possible, preferably integrated into it.

[Sjhernan3060]

Just got mine it’s sharp looking

[gyedid]

Kimagure Pursuit Cruiser


Once the fighting actually starts, the Kimagure is in good hands. 878 points of ferro-carbide is an extremely tough shell, only beaten in the cruiser class by the Luxor 145 years later.

Are you sure it was ferro-carbide, and not lamellor?  I seem to remember the latter, the implication being that it was a proprietary technology used by only a single shipbuilder (Krester) even during the Star League era--the only other Warship that used it was the Texas--and its use didn't become widepsread until the modern era.

cheers,

Gabe

[Weirdo]

Confirmed, ferro-carbide. 3057r is clear on it.

[gyedid]

Confirmed, ferro-carbide. 3057r is clear on it.

So then the Texas was the ONLY Star League-era Warship class to use lamellor.  Makes you wonder why it didn't become more widespread; as late as the 2720s other shipbuilders were still using improved ferro-aluminum.

cheers,

Gabe

[Ruger]

So then the Texas was the ONLY Star League-era Warship class to use lamellor.  Makes you wonder why it didn't become more widespread; as late as the 2720s other shipbuilders were still using improved ferro-aluminum.

cheers,

Gabe

Possibly very hard to make, or required very rare materials, thus helping to explain the limited numbers of Texas-class battleships constructed...

But such discussions have nothing to do with the Kimagure as it doesn't have it...

Ruger

[marauder648]

I love the Kimmy, she's got her flaws (namely massive heat issues) but she's an ideal cruiser and unlike many SLDF designs (like 99% of them) has a weapon battery that's more than capable of making fighters think twice.  This kind of weapons fit is more in line with a House WarShip design which tended to feature large numbers of mech scale weapons for anti-fighter defence.  But the Kim can also use her PPC's against fighters at long range as she's got bracket firing, something the House ships don't have.

[Sjhernan3060]

I love the Kimmy, she's got her flaws (namely massive heat issues) but she's an ideal cruiser and unlike many SLDF designs (like 99% of them) has a weapon battery that's more than capable of making fighters think twice.  This kind of weapons fit is more in line with a House WarShip design which tended to feature large numbers of mech scale weapons for anti-fighter defence.  But the Kim can also use her PPC's against fighters at long range as she's got bracket firing, something the House ships don't have.

Right!?

So since a few of these cool ships are still floating around is it a no brainer to convert them to conqueror class? Seems that in the post readings era the original would be a better fit.

[Sjhernan3060]

The fighter bay problem can be solved by the application of a Titan or two as escorts.  They have enough cargo space that they wouldn't be heavily reliant on the cruiser's internal space (and can carry fighter supplies for it!) and another couple of wings and two solid, capable DropShips will take the starch out of a lot of fighter strikes.

As someone who is building fleets for two very minor naval powers ( mandrills and spirits ) is the titan something that poor clans would have?

[AlphaMirage]

The Titan is Star League vintage, they might have been able to hold onto one long enough.  The Carrier is the standard in Clan space after all.

[Sjhernan3060]

The Titan is Star League vintage, they might have been able to hold onto one long enough.  The Carrier is the standard in Clan space after all.

Thanks I will add those to the fleet and will have them roll w the Kim

[Colt Ward]

The Kimmi has some excellent advantages depending on which advanced rules you are using.  The ability to fire weapons w/o having to cool that whole arc will let them use their range on more facings.  The high thrust factor also works for them in the vector rule.

[Wrangler]

I love this ship, i'm glad they're upgraded version Conqueror-Class has survived to the Dark Ages.

Too bad were not getting more XTROs, i'd love to see the SLS Surprise in it, so we could have had stats to play a canon version in game or MegaMek.

[Weirdo]

Why not look in the XTRO it's already published in?

[Wrangler]

Why not look in the XTRO it's already published in?

Oof. I forgot about it.  xp

[I am Belch II]

Liked it becuase it was fast with the speed of a heavy fighter

[UnLimiTeD]

I doubt a massdriver will ever be a good choice no matter the platform, situation, or what you do with it.

[Weirdo]

It'll never be a good idea. But you only have to connect once for it to be a really fun idea. >:D

[Jellico]

I am not sure that you can ever justify a LIGHT mass driver.

[Sjhernan3060]

I am building up my small clan navy’s ( kindraa mick kreese, blood spirit and horses ) so a few questions:

Could the Kim function as the lead ship of a small flotilla or as an independent operator?

 

[marauder648]

I am building up my small clan navy’s ( kindraa mick kreese, blood spirit and horses ) so a few questions:

Could the Kim function as the lead ship of a small flotilla or as an independent operator?

She's an independent operator. You'd need her to carry one Cargo dropship loaded with supplies as she's got VERY short cargo legs herself which would limit her range. And her speed means that she can outrun anything in service save small craft, which she then massively out guns.  The Kimmy would probably make a terrifying raiding ship, drop your Mule class Dropship off somewhere  out of the way, jump away mess up a convoy, strike at an orbital facility, jump out (LF battery after all) and meet up with your cargo ship to restock as needed. Rinse and repeat. With her speed, she can decline any battle she wants, or use it to control a battle and the range, sticking at long range where her weapons do best.

[Sjhernan3060]

She's an independent operator. You'd need her to carry one Cargo dropship loaded with supplies as she's got VERY short cargo legs herself which would limit her range. And her speed means that she can outrun anything in service save small craft, which she then massively out guns.  The Kimmy would probably make a terrifying raiding ship, drop your Mule class Dropship off somewhere  out of the way, jump away mess up a convoy, strike at an orbital facility, jump out (LF battery after all) and meet up with your cargo ship to restock as needed. Rinse and repeat. With her speed, she can decline any battle she wants, or use it to control a battle and the range, sticking at long range where her weapons do best.

That is great info but Pre wars of reaving especially in the homeworlds did the clans do those kind of operations?

[Liam's Ghost]

Given the composition of most clan fleets, one or more of those numerous star league destroyers with their big holds would do great for carrying her luggage.

It's worth noting that outside of major conflicts like the wars of reaving, clan warships tend to operate independently by default. The clans tend to break up their warship fleet into single ship groups to support their other forces, rather than using them in fleets. Going back to the "carrying her luggage" note, that might partly be so that they can be used as mobile supply bases for ground forces, which the Kimagure wouldn't do well at. Beyond operating as part of a fleet of warships for those times when things have gone wrong, the Kimagure might likely spend most of its time guarding the home front.

[Colt Ward]

That is great info but Pre wars of reaving especially in the homeworlds did the clans do those kind of operations?

Well . . . yes, the Diamond Sharks recovered some of their strength raiding the supply lines of the Invader Clans- more than likely SELLING what they won by Trial to the same or another Clan.  I would imagine the best prey for them were the Jaguars- you can fluff it as part of the reason they were the least recovered in the IS.  They might have also been successful against the Vipers with their understrength Aero points, the Viper need to protect their territory from the Ravens tying down a lot of naval support, and again inferred from their weakness in the IS.

[Sjhernan3060]

So I am understanding the Kim with her very fast speed and pretty tough profile she would work great as a fast responder to conflicts?

[Weirdo]

Fast responder status comes from the L-F battery, not the main engines. High sublight thrust means nothing if you need a week just to get to the system. And even in system, remember that 90-odd percent of your flight will be at 1G like everyone else, because nobody surrenders to a cruiser whose crew can only moan painfully at their controls.

[Sjhernan3060]

Fast responder status comes from the L-F battery, not the main engines. High sublight thrust means nothing if you need a week just to get to the system. And even in system, remember that 90-odd percent of your flight will be at 1G like everyone else, because nobody surrenders to a cruiser whose crew can only moan painfully at their controls.

Thanks for clarification

[I am Belch II]

Nice write up of the ship. It and the Clan modified Conqueror are my favorite ships in Battletech.
I just wish they had the heat sinks to fire everything.

[Wrangler]

Nice both ships of conqueror variants still exists. It would be scary if a Dark Age era world had to face force multiplier like that backing invasionforce.

[Sjhernan3060]

We know that the blood spirits traded 3 warships to the ravens for mechs I wonder if they were the two Kim’s which eventually became the conquerors?