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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #360 on: 15 January 2019, 18:36:28 »
I was wondering if they canceled the development.  Its over 4 years old now.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #361 on: 15 January 2019, 19:17:15 »
Probably hoping the AA destroyers attract all the attention, while these little tykes sneak around the side. Like the current Chinese fighters - only really worried about frontal aspect stealth, because that gets you (hopefully) into weapons range.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #362 on: 15 January 2019, 20:52:21 »

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What type of ship is in the background? Freighter... Coast Guard?

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #363 on: 15 January 2019, 21:00:23 »
Looks like a bulk carrier...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #364 on: 15 January 2019, 21:10:11 »
I do have a beautiful pic of her from the rear view... but political pics are hard to show without retaliations...

History and all...

But:

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #365 on: 16 January 2019, 02:08:12 »
One design that gets a lot of stick is the Nelson's.





Obviously the Nelson class wasn't the G3 that many a naval fan always looks at with a wistful sigh.  And because the Nelsons are NOT the G3's they get looked down upon. But really the only difference between the two is the length and engine power (and of course the turret layout) the guns for the G3's would have been the same as the Nelsons, all the way down to their secondaries and AA fit and torps. The armour was very similar in terms of thickness and layout.  So folks should lay off the Nelsons, they were world class ships and for a good long time, were the most powerful ships afloat.

Also I had no idea the Ticho class cruiser's CiC was so large and laid out like this



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It may be a mock up but it looks more like an airport control tower than a warship.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #366 on: 16 January 2019, 02:24:41 »


Nothing looks more French than this French Pre-dreadnought Battleship the Carnot.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #367 on: 16 January 2019, 02:47:18 »
It may be a mock up but it looks more like an airport control tower than a warship.

Which makes sense in that it is effectively a mobile air traffic control tower where instead of trying to keep two metal tubes from occupying the same bit of airspace at the same time, the Ticos were all about making two metal tubes occupy the same bit of airspace at the same time  ^-^
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #368 on: 16 January 2019, 03:01:29 »


Nothing looks more French than this French Pre-dreadnought Battleship the Carnot.

That is so ridiculous it is amazing
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« Reply #369 on: 16 January 2019, 03:08:08 »
That is so ridiculous it is amazing

That's French pre-dreadnoughts for you :D
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #370 on: 16 January 2019, 04:20:57 »
To be fair some of them managed to look quite spiffy for their time:



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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #371 on: 16 January 2019, 08:41:50 »
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #372 on: 16 January 2019, 10:16:35 »
Marauder, one thing to remember for the Tico class's CIC you are going to get crowded.  What you are seeing- or they are letting the picture be taken of- is probably some low level exercise or ops near friendly territory.  When its show time, you are going to have officers hanging out behind the operators looking at the screens.  The TF screen commander is going to be on that ship and will be managing the screen from that CIC.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #373 on: 16 January 2019, 10:19:26 »
Has the recent British documentary about a deployment aboard a Type 45 destroyer been shown on the other side of the Atlantic yet?


They had cameras in the CIC or Ops Room or whatever it is best called when the ship got buzzed by 17 Russian fighters in the Black Sea
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #374 on: 16 January 2019, 11:01:54 »
Has the recent British documentary about a deployment aboard a Type 45 destroyer been shown on the other side of the Atlantic yet?


They had cameras in the CIC or Ops Room or whatever it is best called when the ship got buzzed by 17 Russian fighters in the Black Sea

There is also an art to photographing rooms.  My parents had a professional photographer come in when they were selling their house.  With some very subtle tweaks to furniture, clever lighting, the right lenses and specific angles, these photos added about 5 square to a small bathroom and maybe 15 or 20 square feet to a bedroom.

Caveat: I know they can't exactly move the furniture in the CIC.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #375 on: 17 January 2019, 05:22:40 »
Marauder, one thing to remember for the Tico class's CIC you are going to get crowded.  What you are seeing- or they are letting the picture be taken of- is probably some low level exercise or ops near friendly territory.  When its show time, you are going to have officers hanging out behind the operators looking at the screens.  The TF screen commander is going to be on that ship and will be managing the screen from that CIC.

As an ORS, I'd be telling most of those officers to take a hike. But then again, RAN Ops Rooms don't work the same way as USN CICs do. We still have plenty of officers in our Ops room, but if I find them bugging my operators, they'd better back off right quick. My operators are professionals who've been using those consoles for years, the most console experienced officer will likely not have anywhere near as much time on console.

But now I just hide in the corner, in my own little kingdom and let the other guys deal with that. :)

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #376 on: 17 January 2019, 06:47:46 »
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #377 on: 17 January 2019, 10:49:04 »
As an ORS, I'd be telling most of those officers to take a hike. But then again, RAN Ops Rooms don't work the same way as USN CICs do. We still have plenty of officers in our Ops room, but if I find them bugging my operators, they'd better back off right quick. My operators are professionals who've been using those consoles for years, the most console experienced officer will likely not have anywhere near as much time on console.

But now I just hide in the corner, in my own little kingdom and let the other guys deal with that. :)

I understand that, and worked FDC . . . our senior NCO would stand on the ramp to keep officers from cramming in behind us, but sometimes it happened.  But part of that room, besides being photo'd to appear that way, IS so that NCOs & officers can stand behind.  Its also one of those things someone with experience can look at and assess in a blink- how good is the section?  how confident are the officers?  and how well does the team interact?  One of my FDOs only went into the track when it was live fire, and barely then.  Another, a born micro-managing REMF who got left behind with the newbies and injured (me) when everyone else went to Iraq was constantly trying to get in there to lurk . . . hated dealing with him, got so bad the battery CO (another injured) chewed him out over the radio about sitting in the tent and let us get it done.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #378 on: 17 January 2019, 11:50:38 »
Shouldn't the officers have their own summary screens or board that pulls together the various bits of data from the different sensors and analysis specialists rather than just looking at a single sensor readout?


Unless they are technical experts the officers probably won't understand the granular details


On a different note, I was reading that the Gerald Ford class CVNs will be able to generate 25-33% more sorties from their air group due to improved efficiencies but I'm not sure of an even vague estimate of the number of sorties a Nimitz class CVN can generate


Anyone got any ideas?


I would ask about the Queen Elizabeth class but as it seems they will be carrying a wide variety of air groups from 12 to 40 odd F-35Bs that is rather a moot point
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #379 on: 17 January 2019, 12:11:00 »
Sure, there should be a general plot board that updates from various stations.  But that will not keep some O that 'needs' to know the details from standing behind the enlisted manning the station.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #380 on: 17 January 2019, 19:48:49 »
Sure, there should be a general plot board that updates from various stations.  But that will not keep some O that 'needs' to know the details from standing behind the enlisted manning the station.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #381 on: 17 January 2019, 20:25:02 »
As my Air Force SNCOs used to say to me: "Sir, we do it the right way here in the Air Force, we send the officers off to fight the war, while the airmen and NCOs stay back here at the base." :P



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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #382 on: 18 January 2019, 09:00:02 »


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #383 on: 18 January 2019, 11:15:02 »
Yeah, being legally responsible for things is inconvenient at times.  I'm certain the Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse would have Incompentent/Nosey/Annoying Officer but the short titles worked better.  Tough luck, that. 

Sorry did not mean to sound that negative . . . when I was lower enlisted, I LOVED live fire.  We were not 'responsible' enough to do anything, so we got to sit around the whole day.  I think for my first ones I did not even have to make my own Safety-T.  And yeah, I know the legally responsible . . . my unit has a story from the late 80s or early 90s when they were tube.  They shot a round off post . . .

But yeah, back to the pictures . . .

A ship name that comes up frequently in the USN list-



USS Texas, this one is the 1892 battleship version . . . when she was retired the name was used next for another battleship that served in WWI and WWII, was the flagship of the Atlantic Fleet and carried Wilson to the peace summit ending WWI.  Next it was used for a CGN (39) in the 70s which was a victim of the end of the Cold War.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #384 on: 18 January 2019, 11:17:32 »
With the third Gerald Ford class CVN being called Enterprise (let's hope she doesn't get mistaken for HMS Enterprise), is this going to start a swing back to "classic" names for US aircraft carriers or will they go back to presidents, admirals and the odd general?
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #385 on: 18 January 2019, 11:25:20 »
Enterprise is a bit special . . . I think they will keep up the Nimitz naming tradition, before that they did not have a real system for the carriers that really carried forward.
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #386 on: 18 January 2019, 11:31:28 »
Enterprise is a bit special . . . I think they will keep up the Nimitz naming tradition, before that they did not have a real system for the carriers that really carried forward.


and some of the "good ones" have gone to LHA/LHD/etc which any other country would call aircraft carriers anyway, I guess


Oh, I know it isn't a picture but a video link but this is a nice discussion of the revolutionary vessel Turbinia and also has some nice models featured of other ships. Lindybeige is also generally fab.


https://youtu.be/vrZ5IE-1GJ4


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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #387 on: 18 January 2019, 17:24:41 »
Lindybeige is awesome in general, and that video is cool in particular!  :thumbsup:

As far as naming conventions, I hate to say it, but they're mostly rule 4 territory (looking at you, USS JOHN C. STENNIS, CVN-74)...

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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #388 on: 18 January 2019, 17:53:32 »
I prefer the ones with a bit of historical significance:

USS Enterprise
USS Ranger
USS Hornet
USS Yorktown
USS Lexington
USS Ticonderoga
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Re: Naval Pictures VI: A New Enterprise
« Reply #389 on: 18 January 2019, 18:13:55 »
So do most of us in the Navy...