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kato · « **Reply #810 on:** 29 May 2019, 13:01:10 »

The German Navy will be doing another test with a laser weapon for C-RAM purposes mounted operationally on a corvette next year. Testing a competing model this time.

beachhead1985 · « **Reply #811 on:** 29 May 2019, 13:13:42 »

Quote from: kato on 29 May 2019, 13:01:10

The German Navy will be doing another test with a laser weapon for C-RAM purposes mounted operationally on a corvette next year. Testing a competing model this time.

If we get usable air defence lasers up and running, combat airpower is a dead letter, in the peer vs peer sense.

Weirdo · « **Reply #812 on:** 29 May 2019, 13:25:07 »

Only for as long as it takes to develop a countermeasure, or ablative drone airpower.

The big leap is never the end of the arms race, it's just the start of the next round.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #813 on:** 29 May 2019, 14:13:15 »

Didn't they design ICBMs in the 70s or 80s with Laser defense in mind? I seem to recall something about how they wanted the MIRV warheads rotating at a certain speed to defend against expected attacking lasers at the time.

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #814 on:** 29 May 2019, 14:30:08 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 29 May 2019, 14:13:15

Didn't they design ICBMs in the 70s or 80s with Laser defense in mind? I seem to recall something about how they wanted the MIRV warheads rotating at a certain speed to defend against expected attacking lasers at the time.

rotation proved useless against lasers.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #815 on:** 29 May 2019, 14:44:40 »

I know it was a defense intended to prevent burn through, just was using it to point out folks have been thinking about how to defend from lasers before we even have a capable laser weapon. Reflec, abalative, aerosols, chaff, ejecting prisms, and other methods have all been considered.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #816 on:** 29 May 2019, 21:35:43 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 29 May 2019, 14:13:15

Didn't they design ICBMs in the 70s or 80s with Laser defense in mind? I seem to recall something about how they wanted the MIRV warheads rotating at a certain speed to defend against expected attacking lasers at the time.

Opponents of the Star Wars program pointed out what kind of potential defenses could be put on an ICBM to protect it from a laser anti-missile system, but I don't know if there were ever any actual missiles built with such defenses.

Weirdo · « **Reply #817 on:** 04 June 2019, 19:42:55 »

Okay, I cannot find anything anywhere. Can anybody point me in the direction of color reference images for painting HMS Victorious as she appeared during Mediterranean operations, such as the Malta convoys?

chanman · « **Reply #818 on:** 04 June 2019, 20:57:07 »

I found this:

One of these references might have what you're looking for:

http://www.armouredcarriers.com/reference

Wrangler · « **Reply #819 on:** 05 June 2019, 09:32:32 »

Tale of two sisterships, Zumwalt and the Michael Monsoor. Apparently the US Navy has activated a Surface Development Squadron for them exclusively attached, which is intended to experiment with Droneships and manned ships working together. A pair of Sea Hunters (production ones) will join the two behemoth destroyers in San Diego.

Wrangler · « **Reply #820 on:** 10 June 2019, 13:11:28 »

The Philippine Navy final got their very first missile guided frigate. It's big deal since they've been stuck with left overships, including a Destroyer-Escort they've kept going way past its retirement date.

BRP Jose Rizal F-150, she 2,300 ton, 3 inch gun, 8-Cell VLS, pair of twin Simbad anti-air missile launchers, A twin LIGNex1 SSM-700K C-Star Anti Ship Missile launcher, 30mm auto cannons, Anti-sub torpedoes, and a landing pad/hangar for Wildcat Helio.

Garrand · « **Reply #821 on:** 10 June 2019, 14:42:47 »

Quote from: Wrangler on 10 June 2019, 13:11:28

The Philippine Navy final got their very first missile guided frigate. It's big deal since they've been stuck with left overships, including a Destroyer-Escort they've kept going way past its retirement date.

Considering the Phillipines is a nation of over 7000 islands, you would think they'd have a better navy...

Damon.

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #822 on:** 10 June 2019, 14:55:46 »

Quote from: Garrand on 10 June 2019, 14:42:47

Considering the Phillipines is a nation of over 7000 islands, you would think they'd have a better navy...

Damon.

they have the navy they can afford, not the one they want.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #823 on:** 10 June 2019, 15:01:18 »

The one they want left when they took back possession of Subic Bay . . .

Daryk · « **Reply #824 on:** 10 June 2019, 15:12:59 »

That's about as close to Rule 4 as I think we want go there... ::)

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #825 on:** 10 June 2019, 16:50:13 »

The other question, do they need big ships or a truckload of smaller things like PT boats or coastal-patrol ships to cover the area among the islands? Certainly having a few of the former never hurts, but I'd keep focus on the small hulls myself and keep a "swarm" sort of fleet - wherever you go, there's always a squadron or three nearby.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #826 on:** 10 June 2019, 16:53:15 »

Answers get into Rule 4 since its going to deal with geo-politics.

Anyone got a list of WWII ships still actively serving in any of the world's navies?

Wrangler · « **Reply #827 on:** 10 June 2019, 18:39:56 »

Philippines at the moment has couple classes worth still in full commission
Auk-Class Minesweepers which been acting as Patrol Corvettes, both commissioned 1944 & 1943. I suspect one is on verge of retirement since new Frigate being commission has name but full person of the name. BRP Rizal and BRP Quezon. Three PCE(R)-848-class rescue patrol craft escort, a LST-542 class & LST-1-class tank landing ships.

Mexican Navy still has number of Auk-Class Minesweepers as Patrol ships and exUSS Clearwater County, a LST-542-class tank landing ship.

Argentina only as couple of Abnaki-class fleet ocean tugs from WW2 that are active.

There maybe more, but not alot. Not active anyways. Mexico and Taiwan had number of WW2 Destroyers in commission, as the Philippines had last Destroyer Escort still in active service few years ago.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #828 on:** 10 June 2019, 19:21:01 »

Yeah, I figure most of the WWII era ships that were sold to second class navies were decommissioned in the late 80s or early 90s.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #829 on:** 10 June 2019, 19:30:53 »

Oldest one I could find was ARM Netzahualcóyotl, decommissioned in 2014. Not all that long ago, all things considered.

Nightlord01 · « **Reply #830 on:** 11 June 2019, 05:02:37 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 10 June 2019, 16:50:13

The other question, do they need big ships or a truckload of smaller things like PT boats or coastal-patrol ships to cover the area among the islands? Certainly having a few of the former never hurts, but I'd keep focus on the small hulls myself and keep a "swarm" sort of fleet - wherever you go, there's always a squadron or three nearby.

The answer is, it depends!

Navies are not a one size fits all, it's all about what the countries objectives and requirements are, and how they intend to achieve those.

Sometimes a moderate number of big ships is good, other times a large amount of small ships is good, it's all about the threat environment and intended use.

Istal_Devalis · « **Reply #831 on:** 11 June 2019, 09:24:37 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 10 June 2019, 16:53:15

Answers get into Rule 4 since its going to deal with geo-politics.

Anyone got a list of WWII ships still actively serving in any of the world's navies?

One of them:
Technically launched while WWII was still ongoing, the USS Cutlass is currently still in service with Taiwan as the Hai Shih. They expect to keep her going until 2026.

kato · « **Reply #832 on:** 11 June 2019, 11:50:42 »

Other than the ones already named:

Thailand has a Cannon class DE in active service as a salute ship.
Vietnam has a LST-542 that i think they're keeping for Rule 4 reasons.
Ecuador has a Abnaki-class ocean tug in active service.
Madagascar might still have a Chamois class minesweeping sloop in service as a patrol boat (if they do it's the former A10 Chevreuil).

Wrangler · « **Reply #833 on:** 11 June 2019, 12:48:28 »

Here the Cannon-Class HTMS Pinklio, doing some saluting, aka exUSS Hemminger DE-746.

What is cool, is she apparently has her own model in 1/1700 scale.

Daryk · « **Reply #834 on:** 11 June 2019, 15:52:07 »

Didn't the Brazilians still have one from that era in service?

Colt Ward · « **Reply #835 on:** 11 June 2019, 15:56:49 »

They had some river cruiser IIRC, someone posted pictures a half dozen pages or so back. Part of why I asked that question so see what else might be out there now that we have passed the 75th anniversary of D-Day.

hoosierhick · « **Reply #836 on:** 11 June 2019, 16:32:46 »

The USS Pueblo was originally built and in service at the end of WW2 and is still in commission with the US Navy, but I'm sure that's for Rule 4 reasons also.

Kidd · « **Reply #837 on:** 11 June 2019, 17:19:51 »

Quote from: kato on 11 June 2019, 11:50:42

Vietnam has a LST-542 that i think they're keeping for Rule 4 reasons.

Vietnam's LST is not much in the limelight

IINM you're thinking of Philippines' LST-542, and I'd argue that it's no longer functionally a ship.

Wrangler · « **Reply #838 on:** 11 June 2019, 20:28:02 »

Quote from: Daryk on 11 June 2019, 15:52:07

Didn't the Brazilians still have one from that era in service?

They have a Monitor. She from 1930s.

kato · « **Reply #839 on:** 12 June 2019, 00:59:29 »

Quote from: Kidd on 11 June 2019, 17:19:51

Vietnam's LST is not much in the limelight

IINM you're thinking of Philippines' LST-542, and I'd argue that it's no longer functionally a ship.

I'm thinking of Tran Khanh Du, formerly USS Maricopa County with the USN and LST-938 in WW2 (commissioned in 09/44); Da Nang with the Republic of South Vietnam Navy, from whom she was captured.