Existing Warships in ilclan era?

[Mole]

So in order to avoid a thread necro. Is there a list of warships that have not been destroyed by the ilclan era?  I am looking at making some fleets for fun of what was still available in different factions.

Edit: Also was the Exodus Farragut ever found/used?

[Templar87]

So in order to avoid a thread necro. Is there a list of warships that have not been destroyed by the ilclan era?  I am looking at making some fleets for fun of what was still available in different factions.

Checking the lists in FM 3145, we have, ;


DCA: DCS Draconis Wind (Kyushu-class frigate), DCS Winds of Heaven (Inuzama-class corvette)
CCN: CCS Aleisha Kris (Feng Huang-class cruiser; the Ilsa Hyung was destroyed over Marlette by the Sea Foxes and FSN c. 3146)
FWLN: FWLS Menelaus (Agamemmnon-class), FWLS Lancelot (Eagle-class)
LCN: LCS Yggdrasil (Mjolnir-class; possibly, we don't know where she was during the Falcon assault on Hesperus, and may have been destroyed there)
FSN: FSS Admiral Michael Salle (Fox-class; again, possibly, but  at last information she was stationed at New Avalon and so quite probably lost during the Kuritan invasion)
CHH: CHH Bucephalus (Congress-class), CHH Stampede (York-class), CHH Armageddon (Potemkin-class)
Raven Alliance: Ice Storm (Cameron-class), Ark Royal (Conqueror-class), Magpie (Congress-class), Drake (Whirlwind-class), Munnin (Vincent Mk.42-class), Conqueror (Conqueror-class), Raven’s Nest (Thera-class), Kerensky’s Hope (Cameron-class), Storm Crow (Sovetskii Soyuz-class), Lord Death (Aegis-class), Lynn McKenna (Nightlord-class), Marshal Ney and Mulhacén (Essex-class), Kutkh (Fredasa-class), William Adams (Whirlwind-class), Bonaventure and Eden Rose (Potemkin-class)
Rasalhague Dominions: Rasalhague (Leviathan II-class), Yggdrasil (Carrack-class)


I'd have to go through ilClan in detail to figure out what's left of the Wolf and Falcon fleets (I don't have Hour of the Wolf, which may have something easier to grab the info from).

[tassa_kay]

LCN: LCS Yggdrasil (Mjolnir-class; possibly, we don't know where she was during the Falcon assault on Hesperus, and may have been destroyed there)

Happy to report that she was not destroyed there, actually. She's still stationed at Hesperus; FM3145 refers to the Falcon/Wolf/Horse assault on Hesperus as occurring "earlier in the year", and specifically notes that the Yggdrasil is currently defending Hesperus at the time of FM3145's in-universe publication.

[VensersRevenge]

FSN: FSS Admiral Michael Salle (Fox-class; again, possibly, but  at last information she was stationed at New Avalon and so quite probably lost during the Kuritan invasion)

The fact that this was not cleared up in either Shattered Fortress or Dominions Divided is shocking to me, especially because it has potential effects on the DCA as well. It's not impossible that neither the Fedsuns or the Combine have any warships, and that would not be great when a Leviathan invades you.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

The RD now has the RDS Alshain, most likely a Leviathan III. Dominions Divided was a bit unclear and so were the admins last time I asked: Weirdo or Jellico confirmed it but I’ll ask again.

[Jellico]

The RD now has the RDS Alshain, most likely a Leviathan III. Dominions Divided was a bit unclear and so were the admins last time I asked: Weirdo or Jellico confirmed it but I’ll ask again.

Yes.

[Minemech]

 Maybe I missed something, but isn't the FWLS Delos still around?

[Mole]

Most of my research has been on sarna for what I have.  Besides FM3145 what would be the sources to check?  Currently my knowledge has the FSS Brest (Fox class) still active, as well as the RDS Den Mother (Carrack class).

Now I also have the Taurian Vandenberg/Albatross as still in existence (albeit in bad shape).  Same with the LCS Invincible as still existing.

[Templar87]

Maybe I missed something, but isn't the FWLS Delos still around?

Technically, yes, but she's essentially a space station, with her transit and K-F drives apparently permanently offline.

[Minemech]

There are now 2 Theras without KF drives over Oriente?

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Most of my research has been on sarna for what I have.  Besides FM3145 what would be the sources to check?  Currently my knowledge has the FSS Brest (Fox class) still active, as well as the RDS Den Mother (Carrack class).

Now I also have the Taurian Vandenberg/Albatross as still in existence (albeit in bad shape).  Same with the LCS Invincible as still existing.

Den Mother is gone IIRC. The Bears only have the three Warships. Can’t remember offhand when it ‘died’, I want to say during the Second Combine/Cat War.

Shattered Fortress, IlClan, Hour of the Wolf for the Clan Jade Falcon/ Clan Wolf/ RotS fleets. They also mention the Redemption, the Taurian vessel they somehow got.

Wars of Reaving shows the Goliath Scorpion Fleet (IDR offhand if any of the subsequent Scorpion Empire products update this). It obviously also shows the Homeworld Clans fleets but those are eighty IG years out of date at this point.

[Templar87]

There are now 2 Theras without KF drives over Oriente?

Just the Delos according to FM 3145 (pg. 101);

Thera-class Delos remains stranded in orbit around Oriente; though incapable of jumps or in-system maneuvers, Delos still houses an aerospace wing used for system defense.

[Minemech]

 I read that as an erratum. The Santorini was the warship whose drive was crippled during closing phases of the jihad when Blakists posed as the surviving crews of League warships. The Delos was a Regulan ship that was even supported by a fully functional shipyard. 

[Mole]

Den Mother is gone IIRC. The Bears only have the three Warships. Can’t remember offhand when it ‘died’, I want to say during the Second Combine/Cat War.

Shattered Fortress, IlClan, Hour of the Wolf for the Clan Jade Falcon/ Clan Wolf/ RotS fleets. They also mention the Redemption, the Taurian vessel they somehow got.

Wars of Reaving shows the Goliath Scorpion Fleet (IDR offhand if any of the subsequent Scorpion Empire products update this). It obviously also shows the Homeworld Clans fleets but those are eighty IG years out of date at this point.

The TCS Redemption is still floating around somewhere I believe in the Calderon Protecterate. 

I have RDS Rasalhague, RDS Yggdrasil, and RDS Den Mother as the three warships in Rasalhague Dominion before leviathan III launch.

Scorpion empire I believe has one of the few remaining McKenna’s in service.

[VensersRevenge]

There was a Redemption at Terra. I don't know if it's been confirmed to be the Taurian one or if the Republic used the same name.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

There was a Redemption at Terra. I don't know if it's been confirmed to be the Taurian one or if the Republic used the same name.

IIRC it’s the same ship that the RotS somehow acquired: I can’t remember the source.


I’ll check my sourcebooks when I get home regarding the GBD ships.

[Jellico]

The TCS Redemption is still floating around somewhere I believe in the Calderon Protecterate. 

I have RDS Rasalhague, RDS Yggdrasil, and RDS Den Mother as the three warships in Rasalhague Dominion before leviathan III launch.

Scorpion empire I believe has one of the few remaining McKenna’s in service.

Is there a source for Den Mother because it was specifically left out of TRO3145? For some reason people keep thinking it still exists.

[tassa_kay]

Is there a source for Den Mother because it was specifically left out of TRO3145? For some reason people keep thinking it still exists.

There is not, and FM3145 implies pretty heavily that it did not survive the Second Combine-Dominion War.

[Mole]

Is there a source for Den Mother because it was specifically left out of TRO3145? For some reason people keep thinking it still exists.

There is not, and FM3145 implies pretty heavily that it did not survive the Second Combine-Dominion War.

This is because sarna has it listed as one of three naval vessels available to the Dominion in 3145.  Sarna also has it as one of only four vessels post 3085 and lists the Ursa Major as being destroyed in 3100 during the Second Combine-Dominion War. 

Most of my information is currently from Sarna as I don't have all the books.

[Minemech]

 Sarna tries on the whole to be good, but there is simply too much work for their editors to go through.

[CJC070]

Sarna tries on the whole to be good, but there is simply too much work for their editors to go through.

And the fact that there is a grace period before they can input new information. 

Not knocking the rules just acknowledging the challenges sarna.net has to face.

[Jellico]

This is more a typical Sarna position. They only remove things if it is specifically mentioned. In this case Ursa Major is mentioned in Wars of the Republic. Den Mother isn't, but it is implied because FM3145 explicitly only mentions active ships.

You see it in factory data all the time. OZ factories listed as building Succession War junk despite being refurbished to Clantech a century before.

[Minemech]

This is more a typical Sarna position. They only remove things if it is specifically mentioned. In this case Ursa Major is mentioned in Wars of the Republic. Den Mother isn't, but it is implied because FM3145 explicitly only mentions active ships.

You see it in factory data all the time. OZ factories listed as building Succession War junk despite being refurbished to Clantech a century before.

That data is useful to a sizeable section of the fanbase, so it needs to stay there. Perhaps it needs to be demarcated.

[Minemech]

Delos the Thera-class WarShip is still operational as of 3148.

It appears that the Santorini and Delos are both still around. The Santorini needs a yard repair, but the Delos should still be able to jump. Albeit we are past the 3140s.

[marcussmythe]

Do we have anything like a headcount on PWS/Assault Droppers in this era?  With warships being so scant and (to my eyes) running more to heavy ships and light on escorts, there seems to be a large role for the upgunned dropships, either to escort or to counter the few, but powerful, warships that remain.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Do we have anything like a headcount on PWS/Assault Droppers in this era?  With warships being so scant and (to my eyes) running more to heavy ships and light on escorts, there seems to be a large role for the upgunned dropships, either to escort or to counter the few, but powerful, warships that remain.

I highly doubt it BUT I would like to know what happened to the RotS’s Castrums

[Mole]

Does anyone have a link to the most recent updated canon warship list file? 

[Weirdo]

It appears that the Santorini and Delos are both still around. The Santorini needs a yard repair, but the Delos should still be able to jump. Albeit we are past the 3140s.

Might be worth it to ask for confirmation on the specific condition of both ships. For one thing, being operational and being able to jump are two EXTREMELY different things, as the spacers who had to take down Blake's Sword and Immortal Spirit will tell you.

[Wrangler]

Clan Jade Falcon's post-Trial of Possession of Terra / Invasion Fleet - Cameron-class battlecruiser CJF Turkina’s Pride,  Black Lion Class Battlecruiser CJF White Aerie, and Fredessa Class Corvette/Raider CJF Jade Tornado.

Clan Wolf's post-Trial of Possession of Terra / Invasion Fleet - Liberator Class Cruisers - CWS Victoria Ward & CWS Jerome Winson, and Sovetskii Soyuz Heavy Cruiser CWS Dire Wolf, not counting McKenna Class Battleship SLS McKenna's Pride.

[Oriffel]

It appears under the clan section in the TRO, so wouldn't that mean its just clan? otherwise wouldnt it be with the I and II at the end since there were no IS Lola IIIs for the era listed.

[Wrangler]

It appears under the clan section in the TRO, so wouldn't that mean its just clan? otherwise wouldnt it be with the I and II at the end since there were no IS Lola IIIs for the era listed.

None, anything that was a Star League ship is with Clans.  The Inner Sphere didn't much access to them but oldest of ships.   Taurian Concordat had some Lola IIs.  TRO: 3057 Revised will list some ships.  Best source for Succession Wars era ships is the Field Reports 2750 Series, it series of PDFs which notes entire fleet prior to First Succession War breaking out per faction.   Additional ships were added, you can see in Field Manual: SLDF.  However, I recall correctly no Lola IIIs were ever added to Inner Sphere Houses.

[Weirdo]

It appears under the clan section in the TRO, so wouldn't that mean its just clan? otherwise wouldnt it be with the I and II at the end since there were no IS Lola IIIs for the era listed.

No, because that section provides stats for both Clan and IS tech versions of those ships. Going from memory, only the Fredasa, Liberator, and Nightlord are purely Clan.

Also, the Devs have made it very clear that the 3057 art does NOT depict solely Clan vessels, but both Clan and Star League ships can have that look.

[Hellraiser]

However, I recall correctly no Lola IIIs were ever added to Inner Sphere Houses.

Correct, they have "decommissioned" ships, but the Lola-III was still the current destroyer, along with the Essex-II, so I don't think either of them make it to the Houses.

[truetanker]

Also, wouldn't the ilClan have the last SLDF known report from when the SLDF/RWR fight somewhere?

Would be an easy thing to have, finding any of course is the challenge, what the R-Teams of the Outward Alliance are searching their neck of the woods... 

TT

[mikecj]

Also, wouldn't the ilClan have the last SLDF known report from when the SLDF/RWR fight somewhere?

Would be an easy thing to have, finding any of course is the challenge, what the R-Teams of the Outward Alliance are searching their neck of the woods... 

TT

Sure... but the SLDF data index was terrible... the iLClan researchers have located the Boot depository, the Kanga axle stockpile, and the expired MREs but they haven't found the right search string for "WarShips lost in the Territorial States".

[Cannonshop]

Sure... but the SLDF data index was terrible... the iLClan researchers have located the Boot depository, the Kanga axle stockpile, and the expired MREs but they haven't found the right search string for "WarShips lost in the Territorial States".

That Search String led to "caution, item not in inventory, please deposit your right arm and first born for the location nearest you where you'll find your pile of radioactive razor blades"

followed by a laughing skull, because everyone knows the most effective viruses in science fictio come with a laughing skull.

[Nerroth]

Wars of Reaving shows the Goliath Scorpion Fleet (IDR offhand if any of the subsequent Scorpion Empire products update this).

Per Operational Turning Points: Hanseatic Crusade, the Scorpions had all three WarShips still in service as of 3140, yet decided to keep them at home for the duration of that conflict.

Since then, the Advanced Aerospace section of the IlClan Era Scorpion Empire MUL listings has entries for all three classes of WarShip included.