Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST

[Xotl]

This thread is for all error reports and suggestions for the MUL online database, as found at:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/

Some notes - read before posting:

 - How do I log in to the MUL?  You can't.  The login is only for site administrators.
 - As this covers suggestions as well as errors, some discussion is allowed in this thread.  However, we want to limit it to between the people giving feedback and the MUL team responding to them, not general discussion among fans.  Please make your own feedback, not reply to others.
 - Virtually all units now have Dark Age availability except the Homeworld Clans, some units we know little about, and "fate unknown" units like the Black Widow mechs from Wolf and Blake.  Note that a RAT review is currently in progress.
 - Corrections not touching on the above are welcome.  However, please provide a page number and/or direct quote to support your case.  "Faction X should have this because I said so" is less than helpful and will likely be ignored.
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https://bg.battletech.com/forums/errata/master-unit-list-mul-announcement-thread/

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Previous Threads:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/errata/master-unit-list-mul-feedback-thread-iii-read-the-first-post/
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/errata/master-unit-list-(mul)-feedback-thread-ii-read-the-first-post/

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Just cause it’s the newest RAT

The Corax (both Omni and standard C variant) as well as the Wusun appear multiple times on the RasDom aerospace RATs in DD. Any chance of them getting added

[CJKeys]

Buraq Battle Armor mix up

I was looking at Buraq BA today, and noticed something.
4 man squad lists as 18 points, damage of 2/0/0, and A/S of 1/2
5 man squad lists as 16 points, Damage of 1/0/0, and A/S of 1/2

I feel like these are backwards.

[danilapal]

Units:
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3210/thumper-artillery-vehicle
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3212/thumper-artillery-vehicle-tav-1

To Do: swap their BV cost (source: Record Sheets: 3075 Unabridged - The Cutting Edge)

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Is there a reason the Wusun was not given to the RasDom in the ilClan era? It’s ~20% of all rolls

[Sartris]

because we considered the Corax and not the Wusun yet. stay tuned

[Haveatya]

Will we see the Ares Apollo added to MUL? It was released before the last few Rec Guides but hasn't shown up yet.

[GreekFire]

Will we see the Ares Apollo added to MUL? It was released before the last few Rec Guides but hasn't shown up yet.

Ah, that slipped through. Expect to see it added today.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would it be possible to add a filter that brings up just the units in a particular CGL miniatures Lance or Star Pack?

[pokefan548]

While it would be a fair amount of work, a Box Set/ForcePack category would be nice. Rather convenient for me as well, if only because I already steer newbies to the MUL as is. The one downside I see is that if it does in fact work like existing TRO/RS categories, the system won't work with models that exist in multiple boxes.

Honestly, even if it's hidden having an "Other TROs" category or the ability to define multiple TRO/RS sources for single models would be great, but I know that in itself would be a lot of work and risks breaking things.

[Sartris]

Honestly, even if it's hidden having an "Other TROs"

while this is something that would be useful, it's not in our structural capabilities

[pokefan548]

On a more immediately-resolvable note, the Raptor II RPT-2X and RPT-2X1 both point to TRO: Jihad. TRO: Jihad (rather bafflingly) only covers the Republic-era RPT-3X. The 2X and 2X1 should still point to JS:BD.

[Karasu]

There is an entry in the MUL for Star Dagger (Unknown) based on the reference in TRO 3039.  Since then, an actual TRO spread and Record Sheet for the Star Dagger S-2 was produced in XTRO Retrotech, for which there is a separate entry in the MUL.  I reckon that the Star Dagger (Unknown) entry is now obsolete.

[Daryk]

Re: Sartris' latest post in the announcement thread:

So... who DOES have access to the Hastati V infantry? ???

[GreekFire]

On a more immediately-resolvable note, the Raptor II RPT-2X and RPT-2X1 both point to TRO: Jihad. TRO: Jihad (rather bafflingly) only covers the Republic-era RPT-3X. The 2X and 2X1 should still point to JS:BD.

TRO: Jihad does have blurbs on both the RPT-2X and 2X1 as well; for the sake of concentrating sources, we've chosen to leave things as-is.

Re: Sartris' latest post in the announcement thread:

So... who DOES have access to the Hastati V infantry? ???

Every faction that uses the standard IS infantry platoon formation. Normally, this should be every faction that the MUL currently lists for them. If you believe you've spotted an omission/error, please let us know.

[Daryk]

Ah, they're a RotS formation despite their Roman name.

[Sartris]

The RotS uses a lot of Latin in their nomenclature

The specific unit names aren’t really considered for distributions. If their gear and organization are generic, we assume there are other factions that use the same setup to keep availability from being super limited

[Daryk]

That makes sense, thank you for the explanation!  :thumbsup:

[Firepigeon]

Battle Cobra BTL-C-2OJ
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9495/battle-cobra-btl-c-2oj
It has:
Date Introduced: 3144
Era: Early Republic (3081 - 3100)

I believe Era is incorrect taking into account the Faction Availability starts in Dark Age.

[GreekFire]

There is an entry in the MUL for Star Dagger (Unknown) based on the reference in TRO 3039.  Since then, an actual TRO spread and Record Sheet for the Star Dagger S-2 was produced in XTRO Retrotech, for which there is a separate entry in the MUL.  I reckon that the Star Dagger (Unknown) entry is now obsolete.

Adjusted.

[Alfaryn]

Rules Levels of both Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede) and Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede II) are listed as "Experimental" in MUL. In Record Sheets – Snord’s Irregulars pdf in the download's section it is "Introductory" Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede), and "Standard" for Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede II). Not sure which source is correct, but I suspect that it would be pdf unless just being "FrankenMechs" makes these Riflemans "Experimental" somehow despite not using any tech outside of Introductory and Dark Age Standard (as defined in TRO 3145) respectively.

[GreekFire]

Rules Levels of both Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede) and Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede II) are listed as "Experimental" in MUL. In Record Sheets – Snord’s Irregulars pdf in the download's section it is "Introductory" Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede), and "Standard" for Hybrid Rifleman RFL-3N (Sneede II). Not sure which source is correct, but I suspect that it would be pdf unless just being "FrankenMechs" makes these Riflemans "Experimental" somehow despite not using any tech outside of Introductory and Dark Age Standard (as defined in TRO 3145) respectively.

The Downloadable Record Sheets will be updated in the future. Experimental is accurate.

[Starfury]

The Viper VP 7 shows as an IS Standard tech mech. In RG 32 the Viper VP 7 mounts Clan ER Mediums. Shouldn't this be Mixed Standard instead?

[Sartris]

yes, thanks. fixed

[pokefan548]

The entry for the Mobile Long Tom LT-MOB-25 seems to instead point to the stats for the LT-MOD-25, while still pointing to RS:3039U for the record sheet. Should the name and record sheet source be changed accordingly?

[Richard S.]

The Hellhound (Conjurer) doesn't have any faction availability before the clan invasion, despite being an early succession wars design.

[GreekFire]

The Hellhound (Conjurer) doesn't have any faction availability before the clan invasion, despite being an early succession wars design.

Planned for the future are the completion of Early Succession War faction availability and a corresponding expansion of the Homeworld Clans.

[Khylon]

Question: Is it intended that the MAD-5B Marauder II be exclusive to Wolf's Dragoons while both the MAD-5A and MAD-5C also have Mercenary availability?

[cavingjan]

Yes it is.

[Khylon]

I see it now, I should've read the Notables section in the Rec Guide. It does seem odd that a refit like this wouldn't be more wide-spread by the Clan Invasion, none of the equipment used is hard to come by in 3050 and it doesn't use an XL engine. I'd definitely understand the Dragoons keeping these in-house prior to 3050.