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KaiserDunk

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Donnerkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« on: 19 August 2018, 10:57:52 »
                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Donnerkugel
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3025
Vessel Type:       Conventional Fighter
Rules:             Level 1, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              30 tons
Frame:             Daimler FzGDk
Power Plant:       Maybach 180 Ducted-Fan Turbine
Safe Thrust:            6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        Longanecker PlastiSteel Standard
Armament:         
    2 Diverse Optics Type 18 Medium Laser
Manufacturer:   Daimler FlugzeugWerks
  Location:     Stampfer
Communications System:  Siemens SAComm
Targeting & Tracking System:  Siemens SAGTrac
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== Overview:==
     As the numbers of serviceable Aerspace assets dwindled, those remaining
were needed more and more to establish space superiority.     This left fewer
AeroSpace assets to support ground units.     Even as Daimler engineers worked
on a new AeroSpace fighter design, other Daimler engineers were working on a
less-expensive conventional fighter that could perform as a ground-attack
unit, freeing up valuable AeroSpace fighters.     In 3004, Daimler
FlugzeugWerks rolled out their first design, the Donnerkugel (Thunderball).

== Capabilities:==
    The Donnerkugel is designed to operate from rough airstrips or roads with
little support besides maintenance and fuel.     With its all-energy weapon
loadout the fighter does not need ammunition, and its V/STOL capability frees
the fighter from the need for a long runway.     The nature of its airframe and
avionics makes the fighter relatively simple to maintain, and the
modular nature of the avionics and powerplants makes it easy to stock spare
parts.
     The Donnerkugel is powered by the Maybach 180 ducted-fan turbine.   
Specially designed outlets on either side of the bottom of the fighter can
be opened downwards to redirect the thrust of the turbine downwards and achieve
vertical take-off, or angled back to provide STOVL performance or vectoring 
in forward flight.    The Maybach 180 is a new design, but it was designed
to be reliable and fuel-efficient in the crudest of field conditions.     The turbine
is placed in the fighter in order to ease the task of maintaining and removing
the powerplant if necessary.
     The Donnerkugel is armed with two Diverse Optice Type 18 medium lasers.
   While the lasers require extra heat-sinks and complex power amplifiers, the
lasers do not require ammunition, freeing a Donnerkugel pilot from worrying
about running dry in combat.     The lasers also make the fighter a highly
effective strafer and a decent dogfighter.   The laser emitters themselves are
placed under the pilot and to either side of the nose of the fighter, with the
power amplifiers back behind the pilot.     This was done to make the job of
field maintenance easier, as the laser systems are easily the most complex
part of the fighter.
     While the avionics on the Donnerkugel won't win any awards for power or
accuracy, they are simple and rugged.     A side-effect of this is that a new
pilot can be trained on a Donnerkugel in a short period of time.     The
communications system in particular is serviceable but it was felt that an
atmospheric craft did not need a communications system with near-system range.
    The Siemens SAGTrac targeting system was designed primarily to aid the
pilot in attacking ground targets, though it has tolerable performance in a
dog-fight.

== Deployment==
    The Donnerkugel can be found on most planets that are well away from any
front lines as garrison fighters, and in some smaller merc units that lack any
AeroSpace fighters of their own.     Some Davion units in the Chaos March have
purchased Donnerkugels to use as guerrilla fighters.

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Class/Model/Name:  Donnerkugel
Mass:              30 tons

Equipment:                                                                                       Mass
Power Plant:  180 Turbine                                                                 14.00
Power Amplifiers:                                                                                 .50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust:  6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 6                                                                           .00
VSTOL Equipment:                                                                              1.50
Total Heat Sinks:    4 Single                                                                 4.00
Fuel:                                                                                                  3.00
Cockpit, Avionics & Attitude Thrusters:                                                  3.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (30 total armor pts)                                          2.00
                                 Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                               L / R
   Nose:                                      11
   Left/Right Wings:                     7/7
   Aft:                                          5

Weapons and Equipment         Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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2 Medium Laser                     Nose         5        --      --        --      6       2.00
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TOTALS:                                                     Heat: 6     30.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        319,010 C-Bills
Battle Value:      238
Cost per BV:       1,340.38
Weapon Value:      453 (Ratio = 1.90)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 6;  MRV = 0;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 6,  Armor/Structure: 1 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FL;  Point Value: 2

« Last Edit: 23 August 2018, 14:10:12 by KaiserDunk »

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #1 on: 19 August 2018, 13:04:58 »
Isn't it short two heat sinks?

KaiserDunk

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #2 on: 19 August 2018, 13:39:55 »
It's designed using Heavy Metal Aero, which allows for more heat than heat sinks for conventional fighters.   

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #3 on: 19 August 2018, 14:08:35 »
Ah, didn't know HMA deviated from RAW like that...

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #4 on: 19 August 2018, 14:12:37 »
I could use an aero-fusion turbine instead to avoid the heat sink issues, but the cost doubles and you lose the major reason for the fighter existing in the first place.   At that point, you might as well just get a light AeroSpace fighter instead.

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #5 on: 19 August 2018, 14:18:55 »
Hmm... maybe one Medium Laser, a Small Laser, and a Recon Camera?

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #6 on: 19 August 2018, 21:27:16 »
Why?

Add it as a Bomb Slot on a hardpoint.

Sure you'll lose a MP, but now your faster after they find you... might lose the camera, but the signal was recorded.

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #7 on: 20 August 2018, 03:19:44 »
Just a way to use the existing heat sinks...

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #8 on: 20 August 2018, 09:38:55 »
Quad small lasers. They're the same range as MLs in AT2, right?

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #9 on: 20 August 2018, 09:49:03 »
I could use an aero-fusion turbine instead to avoid the heat sink issues, but the cost doubles and you lose the major reason for the fighter existing in the first place.   At that point, you might as well just get a light AeroSpace fighter instead.
Something would have to change anyways since it's illegal as-is.  Weight saved from the 6 heat sinks, power amplifiers, and with a lighter Fusion engine would allow you to downsize the craft substantially, so you can in fact make it cheaper than the original, if you don't mind the loss in armor.  (ConvFighter maximum armor allotment is so low it's a joke anyways while Aerospace Fighter maximum armor allotment is so ludicrously high no one uses it)  This approach also gives simple upgrade paths for the design for future variants: like switching the mediums for ER mediums for a slight cost increase.

(This especially applies to many canon ICE vees with substantial energy weaponry like the Bulldog: You can make the same thing cheaper by switching the powerplants to fusion and downsizing the design as much as possible)

Ex:
Donnerkugel II Prototype
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level   Era
Experimental   -
Advanced   -
Standard   3145+
Tech Rating: D/C-E-D-D

Weight: 10 tons
BV: 256
Cost: 256,060 C-bills

Movement: 10/15
Engine: 100 Fusion
Fuel Points: 0/480 (3.0 tons)

Structural Integrity: 10
Armor: 8
Armor   
Nose   3   
Left Wing   2   
Right Wing   2   
Aft   1   

Weapons   Loc   Heat   
Medium Laser   NOS   3   
Medium Laser   NOS   3   

VSTOL

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #10 on: 20 August 2018, 15:21:27 »
10 tons is not large enough for what I was looking for; 15 tons was just small enough to make the cost comparable.   Here's my updated Donnerkugel.

                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                  VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name:  Donnerkugel
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 3025
Vessel Type:       Conventional Fighter
Rules:             Level 1, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              15 tons
Frame:             Daimler FzGDk
Power Plant:       Maybach 120 Ducted-Fan Aero-Fusion
Safe Thrust:             8
Maximum Thrust:    12
Armor Type:        Longanecker PlastiSteel Standard
Armament:         
    2 Diverse Optics Type 18 Medium Laser
    1 Maxell Small Laser
Manufacturer:   Daimler FlugzeugWerks
  Location:     Stampfer
Communications System:  Siemens SAComm
Targeting & Tracking System:  Siemens SAGTrac
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
    As the numbers of serviceable Aerspace assets dwindled, those remaining
were needed more and more to establish space superiority.     This left fewer
AeroSpace assets to support ground units.     Even as Daimler engineers
worked on a new AeroSpace fighter design, other Daimler engineers were working on a
less-expensive conventional fighter that could perform as a ground-attack
unit, freeing up valuable AeroSpace fighters.     In 3004, Daimler
FlugzeugWerks rolled out their first design, the Donnerkugel (Thunderball).


==Capabilities:==
    The Donnerkugel is designed to operate from rough airstrips or roads with
little support besides maintenance and fuel.     With its all-energy weapon
loadout the fighter does not need ammunition, and its V/STOL capability frees
the fighter from the need for a long runway.     The nature of its airframe
and avionics makes the fighter relatively simple to maintain, and the modular
nature of the avionics and powerplants makes it easy to stock spare parts.
     The Donnerkugel is powered by the Maybach 120 ducted-fan aero-fusion
turbine, which provides the energy needed for the lasers but lacks the thrust
necessary to reach orbit..    Specially designed outlets on either side of the
bottom of the fighter can be opened downwards to redirect the thrust of the
turbine downwards and achieve vertical take-off, or angled back to provide
STOVL performance or vectoring in forward flight.    The Maybach 120 is a
new design, but it is intended to be reliable and fuel-efficient in the crudest
of field conditions.     The turbine is placed in the fighter in order to ease the
task of maintaining and removing the powerplant if necessary.
     The Donnerkugel is armed with two Diverse Optics Type 18 medium lasers,
and a single Maxell small laser.    While the lasers require extra heat-sinks
and complex power amplifiers, the lasers do not require ammunition, freeing a
Donnernkugel pilot from worrying about running dry in combat.     The lasers
also make the fighter a highly effective strafer and a decent dogfighter. 
The medium laser emitters themselves are placed under the pilot and to either
side of the nose of the fighter, with the power amplifiers back behind the pilot.     
This was done to make the job of field maintenance easier, as the laser systems
are easily the most complex part of the fighter. The small laser is more conventional
in design, and is compact enough to be located just ahead of the nose landing
gear and directly under the cockpit.
     While the avionics on the Donnerkugel won't win any awards for power or
accuracy, they are simple and rugged.     A side-effect of this is that a new
pilot can be trained on a Donnerkugel in a short period of time.     The
communications system in particular is serviceable but it was felt that an
atmospheric craft did not need a communications system with near-system
range.
    The Siemens SAGTrac targeting system was designed primarily to aid the
pilot in attacking ground targets, though it has tolerable performance in a
dog-fight.

==Variants:==
   The very design of the medium lasers and the emitters makes any variation
difficult to implement.   One variant involves replacing the medium lasers and
a ton of fuel with a single Daimler Type 5 LRM launcher using a long launcher
setupthat folows the laser emitter channels past the cockpit.   While this
gives the little fighter a longer range, it does so at the endurance over the
battlefield.   The variant also needs more maintenance than the laser-armed
version due to the launch tubes for the missles.

==Deployment==
    The Donnerkugel can be found on most planets that are well away from any
front lines as garrison fighters, and in some smaller merc units that lack any
AeroSpace fighters of their own.     Some Davion units in the Chaos March
have purchased Donnerkugels to use as guerrilla fighters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Donnerkugel
Mass:              15 tons

Equipment:                                                                                     Mass
Power Plant:  120 Fusion                                                                  4.00
Engine Shielding:                                                                             2.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust:    8
      Maximum Thrust: 12
Structural Integrity: 8                                                                        .00
VSTOL Equipment:                                                                           1.00
Total Heat Sinks:    10 Single                                                              .00
Fuel:                                                                                               3.00
Cockpit, Avionics & Attitude Thrusters:                                               1.50
Armor Type:  Standard  (15 total armor pts)                                       1.00
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                   7
   Left/Right Wings:                 3/3
   Aft:                                      2

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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2 Medium Laser                 Nose         5        --       --        --      6       2.00
1 Small Laser                    Nose         3        --       --        --      1         .50
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                                        Heat: 7      15.00
Tons Left:                                                                                           .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        333,250 C-Bills
Battle Value:      276
Cost per BV:       1,207.43
Weapon Value:      362 (Ratio = 1.31)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 12;  MRV = 0;  LRV = 0;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 8,  Armor/Structure: 0 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 1/-/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FL;  Point Value: 3
« Last Edit: 23 August 2018, 14:15:12 by KaiserDunk »

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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #11 on: 23 August 2018, 12:41:31 »
In German, the name would be Donnerkugel, without the "n" between the nouns "Donner" and "Kugel".
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Re: Donnernkugel Conventional Fighter Steiner
« Reply #12 on: 23 August 2018, 14:15:57 »
In German, the name would be Donnerkugel, without the "n" between the nouns "Donner" and "Kugel".

Noted and edited; thanks.

 

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