Author Topic: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition (Read 202656 times)

Tai Dai Cultist · « **Reply #990 on:** 27 November 2018, 10:26:39 »

I had to double-check the given release date.

I still am not completely convinced it's not an April Fool's joke somehow.

Cubby · « **Reply #991 on:** 27 November 2018, 10:27:13 »

Quote from: Tai Dai Cultist on 27 November 2018, 10:26:39

I still am not completely convinced it's not an April Fool's joke somehow.

No joke!

Colt Ward · « **Reply #992 on:** 27 November 2018, 10:35:55 »

Quote from: Tai Dai Cultist on 27 November 2018, 10:26:39

I had to double-check the given release date.

I still am not completely convinced it's not an April Fool's joke somehow.

Lol, my first reaction too . . . and the release is well timed with the new HBS expansion coming out and something to talk about at MechCon. For all those who complained about CGL's product placement timing regarding HBS release, here's a PDF in your eye!

Cubby · « **Reply #993 on:** 27 November 2018, 10:48:41 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 27 November 2018, 10:35:55

Lol, my first reaction too . . . and the release is well timed with the new HBS expansion coming out and something to talk about at MechCon. For all those who complained about CGL's product placement timing regarding HBS release, here's a PDF in your eye!

It won't be out for MechCon. March 1. I wanted to time the announcement to the release of Flashpoint today.

Dulahan · « **Reply #994 on:** 27 November 2018, 11:44:40 »

Like many have said. I am throwing my money at my screen, why is it not in my hands already? ;)

Seriously though, super excited about this one!

Colt Ward · « **Reply #995 on:** 27 November 2018, 11:49:08 »

Lol, to use your answer from the other thread-

Quote from: Cubby on 27 November 2018, 10:49:45

Definitely. With Flashpoint coming out today and MechCon this weekend, I absolutely could not let the week pass without at least announcing this product.

Frabby · « **Reply #996 on:** 27 November 2018, 11:49:46 »

Very excited about this one - and happy to see the BattleTech family is staying together.

NeonKnight · « **Reply #997 on:** 27 November 2018, 11:53:43 »

Question:

Is this a PDF only, Hardcopy? just curious to know.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #998 on:** 27 November 2018, 11:56:01 »

Quote from: NeonKnight on 27 November 2018, 11:53:43

Question:

Is this a PDF only, Hardcopy? just curious to know.

The text says Print on Demand

Cubby · « **Reply #999 on:** 27 November 2018, 11:57:12 »

Right, just updated that bit with some additional info. PDF and print-on-demand.

klarg1 · « **Reply #1000 on:** 27 November 2018, 12:12:27 »

Quote from: Cubby on 27 November 2018, 10:27:13

No joke!

I have to admit, it took me a few minutes to realize you were serious about the product too, with all the hubub about how (or if) this material might be incorporated into the board game canon.

Very interesting.

Adrian Gideon · « **Reply #1001 on:** 27 November 2018, 12:25:17 »

Quote from: Frabby on 27 November 2018, 11:49:46

Very excited about this one - and happy to see the BattleTech family is staying together.

More like neighbors sharing a lawn than family.

Pat Payne · « **Reply #1002 on:** 27 November 2018, 12:29:55 »

Quote from: Adrian Gideon on 27 November 2018, 12:25:17

More like neighbors sharing a lawn than family.

Even so, with all the fractured franchises out there, where the entities that own different fragments seem completely incapable of talking to each other, it's nice to see people who want to come together for the betterment of a franchise.

One question about this Aurigan Reach sourcebook -- I love the retro cover, is the interior going to have the matching retro layout like the original House books?

Adrian Gideon · « **Reply #1003 on:** 27 November 2018, 13:07:10 »

That’s not finalized yet, but that is a possibility.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1004 on:** 27 November 2018, 14:13:19 »

So, does that canonize the Aurigans or is it just a sourcebook for the videogame-verse version of BattleTech?

Cubby · « **Reply #1005 on:** 27 November 2018, 14:21:04 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 27 November 2018, 14:13:19

So, does that canonize the Aurigans or is it just a sourcebook for the videogame-verse version of BattleTech?

I'm not sure I see the distinction.

It's a sourcebook "snapshot" for the period just after the game takes place.

The intent is that it is a canon BattleTech sourcebook.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1006 on:** 27 November 2018, 14:42:05 »

Quote from: Cubby on 27 November 2018, 14:21:04

I'm not sure I see the distinction.

If Auriga is canon, then it is retcon for normal BattleTech, because it hasn't been there before. If it is not canon, then the video game is just alternate version where Auriga does exist but not in tabletop BattleTech.

For example, contrast to Marvel comics and Marvel cinematic universe. Pretty sure they are separate. And i've so far thought that BattleTech video games and tabletop setting are separate as well.

Paul · « **Reply #1007 on:** 27 November 2018, 14:43:54 »

It’s a retcon.
It was always intended to be a retcon.

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #1008 on:** 27 November 2018, 14:44:48 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 27 November 2018, 14:42:05

If Auriga is canon, then it is retcon for normal BattleTech, because it hasn't been there before.

There's a lot that's in the Periphery that isn't mentioned until...it is.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1009 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:00:59 »

Quote from: Paul on 27 November 2018, 14:43:54

It’s a retcon.
It was always intended to be a retcon.

There we go.

For the record, i disagree with this and wish it hadn't happened as i think this kinds of retcons are pretty ugly, but whatever, seen far worse retcons, so i can live with this.

Hope there's something that's gonna explain why Auriga never has caused anything around it though...

Weirdo · « **Reply #1010 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:04:43 »

I can imagine pretty ugly retcons, but how does this one qualify as such? ???

Adrian Gideon · « **Reply #1011 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:11:11 »

1) It’s a retcon
2) They are seperate universes

Paul · « **Reply #1012 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:14:57 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 27 November 2018, 15:00:59

.i disagree with this

I’m sorry you feel that way.

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Hope there's something that's gonna explain why Auriga never has caused anything around it though...

Nope. See also what Kit said. No silly fasa 2step this time.
It’s a retcon. There is no being cute about ridiculous reasons why they were never mentioned before.
They were never mentioned because they didn’t exist until HBS made them. And we like em enough to also want them in print. Nothing more to it.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1013 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:18:37 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 27 November 2018, 15:04:43

I can imagine pretty ugly retcons, but how does this one qualify as such? ???

Because a nation state affects geo-, err, stellar politics around itself. It has concentrated forces and economy, unlike scattered independent planets, thus a threat but also potential ally or subject. Its culture may affect nearby planets part of other nations (we've seen that before).
Quite a bit of effects that need to be explained, i think. Like during the Fourth Succession War, the Auriga would be a potential ally for the Federated Suns.

A lot of potential there, hence ugly. Now, move it 50 ly (or more) from the borders and it becomes less influential and important, perhaps, this would not be so ugly.

For something worse: try timeline compression or outright ignoring or forgetting things, or rewriting history but still referencing original events...

Reckon i'll read the sourcebook once it is out and then make judgement about just how ugly retcon this is, who knows, maybe it is done well actually. But for now, it looks ugly at least to my mind.

Adrian Gideon · « **Reply #1014 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:25:51 »

I appreciate you’re being open minded about it.
I know I’ve never gotten over the massive retcon of 3025 revised.
Is what it is.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1015 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:27:03 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 27 November 2018, 15:18:37

Because a nation state affects geo-, err, stellar politics around itself. It has concentrated forces and economy, unlike scattered independent planets, thus a threat but also potential ally or subject. Its culture may affect nearby planets part of other nations (we've seen that before).
Quite a bit of effects that need to be explained, i think. Like during the Fourth Succession War, the Auriga would be a potential ally for the Federated Suns.

A lot of potential there, hence ugly. Now, move it 50 ly (or more) from the borders and it becomes less influential and important, perhaps, this would not be so ugly.

For something worse: try timeline compression or outright ignoring or forgetting things, or rewriting history but still referencing original events...

Reckon i'll read the sourcebook once it is out and then make judgement about just how ugly retcon this is, who knows, maybe it is done well actually. But for now, it looks ugly at least to my mind.

Sorry you feel that way, I thought it was a interesting micro-faction that I wish we had more of in the game- I wish the micro-factions of the Republic's break up had survived since IMO they offer more options for play.

I look forward to buying this PDF since I am already invested in my HBS merc's headcanon (already started them off in a 3030s MM campaign). Any way to pre-order this PDF yet so I can put it on my Christmas list?

Cache · « **Reply #1016 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:29:24 »

Quote from: Paul on 27 November 2018, 15:14:57

No silly fasa 2step this time.
It’s a retcon. There is no being cute about ridiculous reasons why they were never mentioned before.

I have no real opinion of the addition (until I read it), but going about it honestly like this makes me happy.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1017 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:30:18 »

Quote from: Paul on 27 November 2018, 15:14:57

It’s a retcon. There is no being cute about ridiculous reasons why they were never mentioned before.

Is the intent to refer to the place in the future (if applicable), and possibly retcon events it might have affected?

One reason i disagree with retcons of this size is because i fear they end up not getting integrated well into main universe. I mean, if you go and rewrite or adjust all events that might be affected by Aurigans, that would be good IMO (no comment on where and how that might be done, would be quite a bit of work). It is that Auriga getting ignored later on would be a mistake, assuming it is still around.

Quote from: Colt Ward on 27 November 2018, 15:27:03

Sorry you feel that way, I thought it was a interesting micro-faction that I wish we had more of in the game- I wish the micro-factions of the Republic's break up had survived since IMO they offer more options for play.

I don't disagree with the concept. Indeed, since it has been mentioned that there are various Periphery minor kingdoms, i feel they should've been made up long ago. I'm not the sort to keep headcanon universe around so i don't care about leaving space for players to make their own, they'll do that anyway i think.

It is just that if you add additional factions that may affect things, then they need to appear too, not just be "one and done". Old books getting outdated is OK as far as i'm concerned.

Adrian Gideon · « **Reply #1018 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:32:55 »

It’s worth noting we haven’t touched on the Fourth Succession War yet.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1019 on:** 27 November 2018, 15:35:06 »

Quote from: Adrian Gideon on 27 November 2018, 15:32:55

It’s worth noting we haven’t touched on the Fourth Succession War yet.

Ah, yes, the natural place to kill a small nation ;D

Hope you actually have something planned for that conflict. The current sourcebooks for it tend to be rather old, not counting mentions in the housebooks etc.