Chicagoland Tukayyid Saturday February 19th

[lordgoober]

Ok.  We are VERY lucky I ended up pulling the force orgs for this game off the boards a week before the hacking otherwise we're probably be out at a pirate point with a blown KF drive.

That being said,  could those who were going to show up and help me with minis on either side give me a PM on this board so I can give you my email to coordinate for this one?  Also.  If anyone has clan medium Omnis of the 3050 era,  give me a pm of your list of what you have.  I'm not looking for people to repaint to GB colors or C* colors for stuff. 

[Wolf Reaper]

I now have a sentinel also.

[lordgoober]

Cool.  I think that actually finishes off the C* mechs at this point but I have to check.  Vehicles I'll be relooking into but I think we need another 8-10.  If we end up short then I'll substitute more mechs.  Infantry we'll be able to muddle through one way or another.

[Dark_Falcon]

Cool.  I think that actually finishes off the C* mechs at this point but I have to check.  Vehicles I'll be relooking into but I think we need another 8-10.  If we end up short then I'll substitute more mechs.  Infantry we'll be able to muddle through one way or another.

PM me one more time with what you need me to bring.  I'm going to request the day before off to allow me to paint the Comstar units.

[Wolf Reaper]

Cool.  I think that actually finishes off the C* mechs at this point but I have to check.  Vehicles I'll be relooking into but I think we need another 8-10.  If we end up short then I'll substitute more mechs.  Infantry we'll be able to muddle through one way or another.

Well I have  a demon or 2, a fury, alacorn, von luckner, and 2 shrieks, all on c* paint.

[NotSoSilentBob]

I am glad to find out I still have over a week to get minis ready.  I was recalled back to work so I might not be able to finish my comguards that I talked about.  I am still planing to bring most of the Ghost Bear Omegas but my Elementals might not be painted.

[lordgoober]

NSSB,  you have about 3 weeks.  Patrick,  When I get downstairs I'll go through the stuff again and then post again.

[Wolf Reaper]

I have a list of what I said I would bring if you need it.

[lordgoober]

Ok.  Here are the potential force orgs as I have them set at this point.

I'll start with the Ghost Bear stuff as I have a test set of QS cards made for the mechs with them all skilled at 2 each. I'll be tweaking that giving a few mechs better gunners and a few worse for the final breakdown.

15 Elemental points (am willing to use other Clan BA as proxies if need be)
Light Omnis:
Fire Moth/Dasher Prime
Mist Lynx/Koshi B
3 Adders/Puma:  Prime, A, C
Medium Omnis:  I am prepared to swap out some Vipers for other other 3050 mediums if we don't have enough available.
11 Viper/Dragonfly:  4 Prime,  2 A, 1 B,  1 C,  3 D
2 Ice Ferret/Fenris:  Prime, A
5 Nova/Black Hawk:  2 Prime, 1 A, 1 B, 1 C
7 Stormcrow/Ryoken:  2 Prime, 2 A, 1 B, 1 C,  1 D
Heavy Omnis: 
10 Mad Dog/Vulture:  4 Prime,  2 A,  2 B,  2 C
1 Hellbringer/Loki:  Prime
10 Summoner/Thor:  3 Prime,  2 A,  2 B,  1 C,  2 D
3 Timber Wolf/Mad Cat:  1 Prime, 1 A,  1 C
Assault Omnis:
1 Gargoyle/Man-o-war: Prime
1 Warhawk/Masakari:  Prime
1 Kingfisher:  Prime
3 Executioner/Gladiator:  1 Prime, 1 A, 1 B

On the clan stuff I was supplying one Ryoken, all 3 Timber Wolves, 2 Mad Dogs and all the Assaults except for the Kingfisher. 

Next Post C*

[lordgoober]

Ok.  C* side.

There will be 30 Infantry units in the game (6 per level 3)  I have never used infantry before so I have no idea how I should make these for the game.  I will need help doing them.  We probably only NEED 18-20 infantry units in miniature form as 2 of the Level 3s are reinforcements if needed and we can recycle minis.

Between Kurt and Patrick, I believe they were the ones who ponied up vehicles in the PM list before the hacking, we have these vehicles available.  According to the way I have the TOE setup for C* there are 18 mechs, 12 vehicles and 6 infantry per level 3.  3 level 3s are starting on the field with 2 in reserve. 

8 Gabriels (5)
1 Ripper (10)
2 Beagles (15)
2 Rotundas (2)
2 J. Edgars (25)
2 Galleons (30)
2 Karnovs (30, can also be used as Cobras if desired)
6 Lightnings (35)
1 Zephyr (40)
1 Kanga (50)
2 LRM carriers (60)
2 Marksmen (65, artillery)
1 Magi (70)
1 Burke (75)
2 Zhukovs (75, Comstar did use these as they were produced on Terra)
1 Demolisher (80, TRO:3039 listed Comstar as a user of this tank)
2 Fury (80)
1 Rhino (80)
2 Ontos (95)
2 Pumas (95)
2 Demon
5 Alacorn,
2 heavy hover apc
2 von luckner

Here is the Mech Breakdown:  I will put what I am able to supply next to the mechs.

Assaults

2 Thugs 2 x THG-11E
3 Highlander 3 x HGN-732:  1 Lordgoober
2 Zeus 2 x ZEU-6S:    Both Lordgoober
1 Victor VTR-9B:  Lordgoober
1 Crockett CRK-5003-1
2 King Crab 2 x KGC-001
1 Stalker STK-5M:  Lordgoober
1 Atlas II  AS7-D-H:   Wolf Reaper
1 Battlemaster BLR-3M:  Lordgoober
1 Awesome AWS-8Q:  Lordgoober

Heavies

2 Exterminator 2 x EXT-4D: 1 Lordgoober
2 Black Knight 2 x BL9-KNT
2 Bombadier 2 x BMB-12D
2 Guillotine 2 x GLT-5M:  1 Lordgoober
2 Shootist  2 x ST-8A
2 Archer ARC-2R, ARC-4M: 2 Lordgoober
1 Flashman FLS-8K
2 Warhammer WHM-6R,  Warhammer-7M: 2 Lordgoober (Unless someone offering minis already has some painted in C* colors.  these old plastics don't like to take primer well.)
2 Crusader CRD-3R, CRD-5M: 2 Lordgoober
2 Rifleman RFL-3N, RFL-4D: 2 Lordgoober
1 Thunderbolt TDR-7M: Lordgoober
2 Lancelot 2 x LNC25-01
1 Marauder 1 MAD-5M: Lordgoober (Got my battledroids one fixed.  will prime it soon)
1 Quickdraw QKD-4G Lordgoober
2 Champion 1 CHP-3N, 1 CHP-1N
1 Galahad GLH-2D: Wolf Reaper
1 Cestus-6Y:

Mediums

2 Trebuchet 2 x TBT-5N: 1 Lordgoober
2 Lynx LNX-9Q
2 Starslayer 2 x STY-3C
1 Sentinel STN-3L: Wolf Reaper
2 Hunchback 2 x HBK-4G: 1 Lordgoober
3 Kintaro 1 KTO-19, 2 KTO-20
2 Wyvern WVE-5N,  WVE-9N: 1 Lordgoober
2 Shadowhawk SHD-2N, SHD-5M: 2 Lordgoober
2 Wolverine 1 WVR-7M,  WVR-6R: 2 Lordgoober
2 Griffon GRF-1N, GRF-3M: 2 Lordgoober
3 Phoenix Hawk 2 x PHX-1, PHX-3M:  1 Lordgoober
2 Clint CLNT-2-3T, CLNT-2-3U: 1 Lordgoober
2 Whitworth 2 x WTH-1: 1 Lordgoober
3 Crab 3 x CRB-27

Light Mechs

1 Mercury MCY-99
1 Falcon FLC-4N 
1 Ostscout OTT-7J
1 Locust LCT-3M 
1 Thorn THE-N 
1 Mongoose MON-70 
2 Hussar HSR 400-D,  MSR 200-D
2 Talon 2 x TLN-5W
2 Wasp WSP-1A,  WSP-3M: 1 Lordgoober
1 Valkyrie VLK -QA
1 Spector SPR-5F
1 Hermes HER-1S: 1 Lordgoober

Thanks to all who were going to help me with minis.  PM me please.

[Wolf Reaper]

I will pm my whole list later, but I can cover all 15 elementals.  Almost all of them will be on 1 cent hex bases, but they will be painted and good to go.  Let me know.

[lordgoober]

cool.  having 1 supplier of elementals will make things work better. 

I'll be doing the repairs on my clan stuff (a couple of the heavies need to be rebuilt and I need to build the plastic loki period) today and giving that stuff a prime today.

[Elengil]

I would love to attend this if that is still open!

I will also attempt to rally the Michigan crew.

[lordgoober]

This is still on as far as I know.  I'm currently trying to reorganize the miniatures supplies for this as that part of the data was nuked in the forum crash.   The force ORG was intact as far as I took it, still figuring out the vehicles and infantry fo the C* force.

[Fatebringer]

I'll have to check and see which weekend this is before I can commit. :P

[Elengil]

ooops, mixed up dates. I will BE IN Michigan for another event that day!

Man, I would love to see this one... can someone take and post pictures?

[GreyWolfActual]

Hopefully I'll be able to take lots of pictures on my new Verizon iPhone. [drool]

[Peter Smith]

Hopefully I'll be able to take lots of pictures on my new Verizon iPhone.

Take as many as you want, you won't be able to upload them while you're on the phone bragging about it. ;)

[Wolf Reaper]

I try to remeber to use my camera.  Only used once at the commando game.  ;D

[Fatebringer]

I'm pretty sure D-F got some though.

[lordgoober]

I'm happy right now.  The example they give for converting Battle Armor to Battleforce stats in SO is the Basic Elemental point.  That will make things nice and easy to print out basic cards for them since I haven't figured out how to print out vehicle and infantry cards in SSW.  Or I can just go and grab the stats off of PRI right now.

[lordgoober]

Ok.  I have another idea here which I definitely want opinions on as this could save us trying to find 6 vehicles :)

I'm thinking after asking and getting some decent answers from people in the strategic area of this forums of trying a little off board artillery with this game.  Fairly simple rules here.  This will be a level 2 of artillery (6 pieces firing as one volley at one point)  I'm debating on what type,  it's either going to be Thumpers or Long Toms. I have to check to see how the damage is on the two in battleforce scale.

Rules for OBA for this game since there are no rules for OBA in quick strike as I saw.

One corner of the map on the C* home edge will be designated 0,0

3 turn cycles.  Starting turn 1.

Turn 1 Shooting Phase.  Person in charge of Artillery L2 will give GM (Me) on a piece of paper x,y coordinates of the target point which at least one unit in the C* force must have LOS to when the target is designated.

Turn 3 Shooting Phase.  Artillery Strike lands.  TN 8 to hit direct point.  If missed,  scatter is 2xMoE inches in random direction as dictated by GW scatter die (provided by me).

Artillery damage will be full for direct spot only,  each 2 inches = 1 hex for damage spread for the AOE of the artillery type.  Damage will be based on the artillery piece which is why I need to check the damages.  I don't want the artillery to be too overbalancing.

[Peter Smith]

Snipers and Thumpers are both 3, Long Tom is 5/1.

[Dark_Falcon]

I've got two Marksmen and two Padillas if you need them, LG.

[lordgoober]

If I try the OBA schtick,  then we won't need the models for them.  That being said,  get me that PM of the mechs and vehicles you got :P

[Dark_Falcon]

If I try the OBA schtick,  then we won't need the models for them.  That being said,  get me that PM of the mechs and vehicles you got :P

First one just sent.  I should also have added to it a chrome painted Shootist.

[Dark_Falcon]

BUMP!

i don't want this one to be forgotten.

[NotSoSilentBob]

I am still down for this one.  Now since I am out of work I know for sure I will be there.

[Wolf Reaper]

I am still down for this one.  Now since I am out of work I know for sure I will be there.

No more saturdays or no more work period?

[NotSoSilentBob]

No more saturdays or no more work period?

No more work.  My boss sent me a Txt message about not being able to stay overtime when I was given less then 2 minutes notice.  Next day I reported and showed the Human resources the txt message and I got fired the next Monday when my boss returned to work.

[Dark_Falcon]

No more work.  My boss sent me a Txt message about not being able to stay overtime when I was given less then 2 minutes notice.  Next day I reported and showed the Human resources the txt message and I got fired the next Monday when my boss returned to work.

PM me if you need a labor lawyer.  I know a good one.

[mgctch]

How are all these units going to fit on one table?

[lordgoober]

Not everything is starting on the board.

Right now I'm thinking starting 3 trinaries and 3 level 3s on the board.  With the rest in reserve.  If it's too crowded I might shrink it to 2 and 2 with earlier reserves.

[GreyWolfActual]

If it's too crowded I might shrink it to 2 and 2 with earlier reserves.

Too crowded?  That board is going to be empty real quick.  Back in November we started with 90 units on the board.  We were down to 37 by the end, and for most of the turns we were losing 8 plus mechs each turn.  We even hit 14 kills on one turn.  Starting with that many units is going to see kills real quick and real often.  Starting with 72 vs 30 units on the board is about where I started.  108 vs. 45 will almost certainly be fine.

[lordgoober]

What would you recommend for deployment zones?  As this is a Tukayyid battle and knowing the way it runs in fluff,  I'm thinking this.  Clans will have a 6 inch deployment from their board edge.  For the C* side,  this.  12 inches for the Mechs,  then for infantry/vehicles up to a 1/3 of the way in from C* home edge representing the dug in stuff.

[NotSoSilentBob]

PM me if you need a labor lawyer.  I know a good one.

Sadly I was employed threw a Temp Service so the Temp Service Has to go to bat for me.  But since I was only working for just about 4 months they could careless.  But I will still take the name of that Labor Lawyer  Is he Wisconsin or Ill?


Edit:  Is the Terran all ready?  Or do we need to get that decided?  I have a 4x6 hexed map and the Grox bloxs.

[lordgoober]

Since this is miniatures rules based (no hexes here) all we pretty much need is one of the green mats that I know a bunch of people have and then we'll probably end up using G+ hills and forests unless some other people have terrain.  I know I'm begging for so much help here ^_^.

[Dark_Falcon]

Sadly I was employed threw a Temp Service so the Temp Service Has to go to bat for me.  But since I was only working for just about 4 months they could careless.  But I will still take the name of that Labor Lawyer  Is he Wisconsin or Ill?


Edit:  Is the Terran all ready?  Or do we need to get that decided?  I have a 4x6 hexed map and the Grox bloxs.

He's from Illinois.  I'll get the info to you this week.  if he isn't licensed in Wisconsin, he'll know someone who is.

[lordgoober]

I'm in the final prep of the QS cards at this point and we should be ready to go with this.  That being said if anyone decides to make me angry,  they will be attacked by my Mighty Blue Plushy Slime.   ;)

Also,  on GWA's recommendation,  the artillery will be split into 2 barrages so they won't instantly wipe out units.  Because I am the one who will be officially holding the artillery targeting locations,  I will be playing on the C* side for this. 

[Gleep]

I have a cold, and will not be attending.

[Fatebringer]

Aaaw, come on, you have 48 hrs to get better. Make some soup! [brew]

[lordgoober]

Kurt's just pmed me mentioning that he's going to need a lift to the game.  I'm way out of the way.  Is there anyone closer to him that can give him a lift on saturday?

[Fatebringer]

I'm not known for being punctual and my phone is dead so I'll probably have a stop to make before heading out there. So I expect to be a little late. :P

[Fatebringer]

Is Wolf_Reaper gonna be at this game, he wanted to swap books.

[lordgoober]

He's dropping off minis and then is having someone pick them up at 6:30.  He got called into work at the last minute.

I'll be trying to get there around store open which I believe is 10am.  Looks like I might be having to go and pick up Kurt if nobody else steps up.  Patrick will be dropping off minis at about 11:15 so we should hopefully be getting dice to drop around 11:45ish.  last turn will be called around 6-6:15 pm.  If possible if people could grab lunch before hand (I'm bringing sandwiches myself) so we could paly through that would be cool.

As a note,  I'm about 55 minutes away from G+ these days and Kurt's about 20 minutes beyond G+ in a direction I wouldn't normally go so if anyone else can pick him up that would be a VERY good thing.

[Lionheart]

I will be unable to attend.  I wish everyone at least one 12.

[Wolf Reaper]

The minis case is there already, just ask for my case at the desk.  They are listed for "CBT or Greywolf if he is there".  I will stop by for about 5-10 minutes at about 12:15 to check in on stuff.  I will bring my book to trade Fate.

Sorry for the condition of some of the minis.  There are some that I could not rebuild completely before the game.

[lordgoober]

that[s fine. 

[lordgoober]

The game was as brutal as expected.  With a bunch of new to QS players from down south I decided to not use the Off Board Artillery.  Needless to say,  Comstar didn't need that bonus.

Due to the number of players and the fairly annoying fiasco of some pages of my quick strike cards being duplicates we ended up having smaller base forces.  In this case,  the Command Trinary and Supernova Trinary for the GB forces and 2 Level IIIs of Comguard 1st division forces (with some of the vehicles being shuffled around from other parts of the TOE due to other communication fiascos and forgetfulness). 

The Ghost Bear forces needed to call in reinforcements about 5 turns in due to them being getting mauled so they got another trinary in at that point. 

The game ended at turn 9 I believe and the Comguard hadn't called in reinforcements yet but were very close to.

In the end here were the tallies of Kills for this game.

Comstar Dead:  409 Battleforce Points.
Ghost Bear Dead:  979 Battleforce Points

And the tallies of the amounts of forces used.

Comstar Forces Used:  1041 Battleforce Points worth of units deployed.
Ghost Bear Forces Used:  1932 Battleforce Points worth of units deployed.

A Decisive Victory for the Comguard.

All Hail Precentor Martial Focht.

[Dark_Falcon]

The game was as brutal as expected.  With a bunch of new to QS players from down south I decided to not use the Off Board Artillery.  Needless to say,  Comstar didn't need that bonus.

Due to the number of players and the fairly annoying fiasco of some pages of my quick strike cards being duplicates we ended up having smaller base forces.  In this case,  the Command Trinary and Supernova Trinary for the GB forces and 2 Level IIIs of Comguard 1st division forces (with some of the vehicles being shuffled around from other parts of the TOE due to other communication fiascos and forgetfulness). 

The Ghost Bear forces needed to call in reinforcements about 5 turns in due to them being getting mauled so they got another trinary in at that point. 

The game ended at turn 9 I believe and the Comguard hadn't called in reinforcements yet but were very close to.

In the end here were the tallies of Kills for this game.

Comstar Dead:  409 Battleforce Points.
Ghost Bear Dead:  979 Battleforce Points

And the tallies of the amounts of forces used.

Comstar Forces Used:  1041 Battleforce Points worth of units deployed.
Ghost Bear Forces Used:  1932 Battleforce Points worth of units deployed.

A Decisive Victory for the Comguard.

All Hail Precentor Martial Focht.

And the ComGuard victory exceeds the historical result.  Fine show by the CG.

[Fatebringer]

I think dropping those Gunneries on the Clan Side made a huge difference.

Example: My lance of lightings were worth 36 pts all together. Potential damage at Medium or Short = 12 Due to the number of units I had, my speed, and the fact that units can not mulit-target, the numbers had a huge effect.

So in summation, maybe they need to adjust overheat so it can target a second unit or perhaps use the "Force Size Battle Value Modifiers" for this version of the game?

[GreyWolfActual]

Improved skills really do not matter as much in QS because of the absence of the AMM.  On average your shots should, roughly, be two easier to hit, and that really throws off the math for improved skills.

[Fatebringer]

I'm not exactly sure what the AMM abreviation means.

I have no idea what the point values of some of our other units were, but mine were low cause I grabbed the lights. My highest Point Total was the Spector at 16.

My gunneries were mostly 3's and 4's, but I had a couple of two's. Most of the mechs I faced were 0's or 1's with some two's and very few three's. I know we had some better gunneries on our side, it was just that I didn't have them :P

The fact that our movement (Walk/Run/Jump) wasn't added in made it easier for me to shoot, and be shot at. With a Mod of 4 and getting a +1 or +2 from woods cover, I expected a little more of a challenge to be shot, but the guys that were at short to these units needed on average 6's to hit me.

My commander should have warned me about that ;), but still I had a role to perform and as people said, you're gonna lose mechs. I saw the devastation of the Overheat ability in the last turn when the Dire Wolf did 10 to some poor soul. Anywho, I don't know what was potential for the fight overall, what I do know is that numbers make a difference when your limited to shooting one unit at a time.

[Peter Smith]

I'm not exactly sure what the AMM abreviation means.

Attacker Movement Modifier. Your Stood Still/Walk/Run/Jump.