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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1290 on: 23 April 2019, 06:20:33 »
So, in Calypso, Craft had been fighting a way against a polity called the V'Draysh, who were obsessed with cultural artifacts from "The Long Ago", and Michael Chabon stated on social media that they're 33rd Century's descendents of the Federation, so there's something to speculate on for series 3 there.
From sound of that, the Federation sounds like its in past tence.

I wouldn't not get caught up trying to attach previous series had as future time travelers go. With possibilities of time travel been altered since perhaps since ST: Enterprise, the timelines are properly disconnected from those futures.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1291 on: 23 April 2019, 07:17:48 »
From sound of that, the Federation sounds like in past tence.

I mispoke slightly - chabon cinfirmed that V'Drayesh is a syncope of Federation - a type of linguistic variation.  So they could be a descendent, or just that pronunciation of the name has changed over the intervening centuries.

But Craft is definitely a human from a non-V'Drayesh world that has spent years at war with them.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1292 on: 23 April 2019, 07:33:15 »
Mom Burnham said that 950 years in the future that the planet Terralisyem is thriving. Maybe after 950 years the 11,000 people has turned into millions or billions and have achieved space flight and started their own little Starfeet and met up with other aliens that don't like them. They may of never been a part of the Federation.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1293 on: 23 April 2019, 09:43:55 »
Craft's homeworld is named Alcor IV in Calypso.  It's known to the 23rd Century Federation - Zora says that there was no human settlement there according to her database and Craft says they've been there a while.  It's close enough to Discovery's hiding place in Calypso that the ship could easily get there, but it would be a dangerous trip to make in a shuttlecraft.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1294 on: 23 April 2019, 11:15:28 »
So, in Calypso, Craft had been fighting a way against a polity called the V'Draysh, who were obsessed with cultural artifacts from "The Long Ago", and Michael Chabon stated on social media that they're 33rd Century's descendents of the Federation, so there's something to speculate on for series 3 there.

This sounds familiar... any Goliath Scorpion players on the thread?

I mispoke slightly - chabon cinfirmed that V'Drayesh is a syncope of Federation - a type of linguistic variation.  So they could be a descendent, or just that pronunciation of the name has changed over the intervening centuries.

But Craft is definitely a human from a non-V'Drayesh world that has spent years at war with them.

Why do I get the feeling that this " V'Drayesh" is what's left of the Federation after a resurgent Control gets through with them?

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1295 on: 23 April 2019, 12:31:28 »
Actually, it's NOT totally unknown.  There have been visitors from the future from the 29th Century (in TNG and VOY) and up to the 31st Century (Daniels from ENT).  We know there's time travel by the 29th, and even proto-TARDISes by the 31st.  (Hopefully the writers won't forget about that.)  But Discovery is now 200 years beyond even that, and in a region of the galaxy that hasn't gotten much (any?) previous attention--the Beta Quadrant.

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Along with the couple dozen other means of time travel present in the setting.
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« Reply #1296 on: 23 April 2019, 22:44:07 »
so there's something to speculate on for series 3 there.

I'm not so sure that short will have anything to do with S3.

Zora states that her crew left 1000 years before and that she spent most of that time evolving herself. Clearly, that's not a vessel that jumped 950 years through time to the 33rd century. Also, that the sole remaining warp-capable shuttle had been delivered just before the crew left, which doesn't match anything we know about Discovery as of the end of S2. Despite what Memory Alpha and just about every other Trek site on the web says, there is nothing in the short itself to indicate it takes place in the 33rd century; as far as I can tell, that was an assumption based on the current series being set in the 23rd plus Zora's thousand-year wait.

So, who's to say that Calypso doesn't take place in the 43rd century and we won't actually see any of the events such as the 10-year long war between Craft's people and the V'Draysh?

Hmm, what if, instead, S3 ends with the crew having to abandon Discovery—which has begun incorporating the Sphere data into an evolving consciousness—in the 33rd century, with a promise to come back for it some day, while they return to the 23rd (or whatever) century? That would allow Georgiou to appear in the upcoming Section 31 show without it being set in the far future, which would make little sense. Then S4 could have a newly commissioned Discovery without a spore drive and all the stuff that had to be sent into the future to keep it out of Control's hands.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1297 on: 23 April 2019, 22:57:19 »
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« Reply #1298 on: 24 April 2019, 02:00:04 »
I'm not so sure that short will have anything to do with S3.

Zora states that her crew left 1000 years before and that she spent most of that time evolving herself. Clearly, that's not a vessel that jumped 950 years through time to the 33rd century. Also, that the sole remaining warp-capable shuttle had been delivered just before the crew left, which doesn't match anything we know about Discovery as of the end of S2. Despite what Memory Alpha and just about every other Trek site on the web says, there is nothing in the short itself to indicate it takes place in the 33rd century; as far as I can tell, that was an assumption based on the current series being set in the 23rd plus Zora's thousand-year wait.

So, who's to say that Calypso doesn't take place in the 43rd century and we won't actually see any of the events such as the 10-year long war between Craft's people and the V'Draysh?

Yeah, that's entirely possible, it's worth caveating to say "assuming Calypso takes place in the 33rd century and is the same future DICSO has ended up in"

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Hmm, what if, instead, S3 ends with the crew having to abandon Discovery—which has begun incorporating the Sphere data into an evolving consciousness—in the 33rd century, with a promise to come back for it some day, while they return to the 23rd (or whatever) century? That would allow Georgiou to appear in the upcoming Section 31 show without it being set in the far future, which would make little sense. Then S4 could have a newly commissioned Discovery without a spore drive and all the stuff that had to be sent into the future to keep it out of Control's hands.

That's what I assume is going to happen.  And assuming Calypso is the future of the ship, it could be they left using whatever shuttles were left aboard the ship when she travelled into the future.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1299 on: 24 April 2019, 02:37:46 »

Zora states that her crew left 1000 years before and that she spent most of that time evolving herself. Clearly, that's not a vessel that jumped 950 years through time to the 33rd century. Also, that the sole remaining warp-capable shuttle had been delivered just before the crew left, which doesn't match anything we know about Discovery as of the end of S2. Despite what Memory Alpha and just about every other Trek site on the web says, there is nothing in the short itself to indicate it takes place in the 33rd century; as far as I can tell, that was an assumption based on the current series being set in the 23rd plus Zora's thousand-year wait.

Unless they first jump into the 33rd century, do whatever it is they do for S3 there, then jump BACK to the 23rd century (so Evil Georgiou can join up with Section 31), and abandon the ship somewhere there (having learned of the final defeat of Control), leaving the Sphere data to fully merge with the ship's computer and evolve into Zora by the 33rd century again...?

Let's just wait and see folks.  The speculation is fun but ultimately futile.

Having said that, I'm going to throw out the possibility that, *IF* these V'Drayesh are the 33rd century Federation's descendents, they've evolved into an organization more akin to the Dominion than the quasi-utopian, benevolent Federation we know, and the DISCO crew are disgusted once they learn that.  It would be like the most idealistic pre-Amaris Coup SLDF troopers learning that the ultimate fate of their organization is Comstar and the Clans.

cheers,

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So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1300 on: 24 April 2019, 03:57:07 »
Ended it yesterday. Way better than the previous trek shows, that show their age. Still fairly light on human ****** and optimistic, but more action packed and with interesting secondaries than previous shows. Ymmv. True that ship design looks futuristic compared to previous shows, and that detracts a little bit from the continuity, but it is a minor thing for a good show. And for Mary Sue Burnham, at least she is better than the guy from The Expanse. God, I cannot stand that one.

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« Reply #1301 on: 24 April 2019, 12:41:23 »
Well for those who want their fill for Lorca (Prime), it looks like Cryptic is gonna give it to ya.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1302 on: 26 April 2019, 08:29:43 »
Here is an interview with co-showrunner Michelle Paradise about why some things unfolded as they did in S2 and hints at directions for S3.  Of particular note is the explanation as to why Discovery continued on its future quest even after Control was vanquished.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/04/25/interview-michelle-paradise-on-star-trek-discovery-season-2-finale-and-going-beyond-canon-in-season-3/

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So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1304 on: 29 April 2019, 12:27:54 »
While i'm happy their making 2nd animated television show, the concept ....don't strike me as Star Trek.  Lawless Teenagers finds derelict Federation Starship seems....bit out there.  Not the concept of finding a Starship adrift or something, but teenagers having adventures on a beat up starship.  It don't strike me as Star Trekish.

Hopefully it will be good.  Star Trek: Lower Decks is suppose to come out on All-Access channel done by Rick & Morty's creator, which it will be funny.
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« Reply #1305 on: 29 April 2019, 14:32:55 »

Hopefully it will be good.  Star Trek: Lower Decks is suppose to come out on All-Access channel done by Rick & Morty's creator, which it will be funny.

It's not Justin Roiland or Dan Harmon writing Lower Decks, it's Mike McMahan.  He's a writer on Rick and Morty, and did the TNG S8 twitter, which is hilarious lest anyone question his Trek or comedy bona fides.
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« Reply #1306 on: 29 April 2019, 14:34:55 »
The what twitter?
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« Reply #1307 on: 29 April 2019, 15:18:03 »
While i'm happy their making 2nd animated television show, the concept ....don't strike me as Star Trek.  Lawless Teenagers finds derelict Federation Starship seems....bit out there.  Not the concept of finding a Starship adrift or something, but teenagers having adventures on a beat up starship.  It don't strike me as Star Trekish.

Hopefully it will be good.  Star Trek: Lower Decks is suppose to come out on All-Access channel done by Rick & Morty's creator, which it will be funny.

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« Reply #1308 on: 29 April 2019, 15:25:12 »
The what twitter?

He did episode synopses for a hypothetical 8th series of TNG, which were incredibly funny.  He even did a licensed book based on it.

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« Reply #1309 on: 29 April 2019, 15:27:26 »
Got a code for a free month of all access.

I still stand by Season 1 would have been a lot better if they hadn't made it a prequel and that there was nothing about that story arc that mandated it be a prequel.

Season 2's story.  Well they could have done it in such a way that they didn't need the spore drive but it makes sense why that needed to be a prequel and on it's own merits it wasn't bad.  It also makes me more angry because they showed they could have made a prequel series at least mostly right.

And man was there some serious TARDIS action going on with some of those interior shots.

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« Reply #1310 on: 03 May 2019, 13:34:50 »
Having said that, I'm going to throw out the possibility that, *IF* these V'Drayesh are the 33rd century Federation's descendents, they've evolved into an organization more akin to the Dominion than the quasi-utopian, benevolent Federation we know, and the DISCO crew are disgusted once they learn that.  It would be like the most idealistic pre-Amaris Coup SLDF troopers learning that the ultimate fate of their organization is Comstar and the Clans.

cheers,

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Makes me think of the Federation in Blake's 7.  Even had a similar insignia.  xp
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« Reply #1311 on: 13 May 2019, 09:49:28 »
The Picard show is going to be on Amazon Prime outside the US and Canada instead of Netflix.  This better not be presaging the rest of Trek going elsewhere, I like being able to just put on any episode whenever I want.
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« Reply #1312 on: 13 May 2019, 12:10:20 »
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/new-series.htm?fbclid=IwAR1Ou5qqw8EeFDTmuyBwRUbG5Z_4zO1gR72BEwDJfy6cDKIiDtKIUoJt7BQ#20190513

I read about that today as well... Now I can understand why not Netflix but it does seem... stupid (or potentially similar to other methods of media break up of an IP)?
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« Reply #1313 on: 13 May 2019, 13:11:14 »
Shrug, CBS went with the ones who paid the most probably. Maybe with some kind of other deal on other stuff.

They will air the show on their own streaming in the US, so where it is placed in the rest of the world is wherever the biggest bucks are. They're not into television for charity.

The tone of that "article" (I use the term very loosely) was just stupid - people will do what they do today, subscribe for 1 month, binge-watch and then cancel their subscription unless something else is good on the service (and Amazon Prime has American Gods, Good Omens, Jack Ryan, Man in the High Castle amongst other good shows).

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« Reply #1314 on: 13 May 2019, 16:27:29 »
Dunno in the other side of the pond, but here Amazon prime is included in your well, prime subscription to Amazon. I have it, never used it yet, but certainly would not have a problem with the migration

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« Reply #1315 on: 13 May 2019, 19:34:20 »
What you can get for just being subscribed to Amazon Prime isn't bad(big fan of the Grand Tour and The Tick) so unlike CBS All Access there are other things that can justify actually keeping the service.

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« Reply #1316 on: 14 May 2019, 15:55:49 »
What you can get for just being subscribed to Amazon Prime isn't bad(big fan of the Grand Tour and The Tick) so unlike CBS All Access there are other things that can justify actually keeping the service.

There's more to it, too.  We've got the option to add CBS All Access as a "channel" for its subscription cost on our Amazon Prime streaming here in the US, and I suspect that that's going to be something available internationally, if it's not already.  At that point, I expect Netflix will lost Discovery for international distribution, with viewers instead encouraged to get the CBS All Access through Prime, and get access to all the Trek shows, as well as the rest of CBS' content.
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« Reply #1317 on: 14 May 2019, 21:06:13 »
Didn't Netflix pay part of Discovery's production cost?

I'd expect that they have permanent access to the show.
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« Reply #1318 on: 14 May 2019, 21:30:55 »
Didn't Netflix pay part of Discovery's production cost?

I'd expect that they have permanent access to the show.

No, they paid for the rights to distribute DIS outside the US and the amount they paid was enough to cover a significant chunk of the first season's production budget. Not really the same thing as paying for it.

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« Reply #1319 on: 15 May 2019, 00:09:50 »
Ah, I thought for some reason that they'd partially financed the show.
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