The Capellan-Kurita War

[Imperium]

If for some reason House Davion proves too weak to really defend itself, and these two Empires collide, face to face, Hidden Lion Regiments against Sword of Light, who comes out on top and how will it play out? How different are their styles of battle? How violent and destructive and ruthless may it get between these two, up until now, never in prolonged contact Successor States?

I see it like this: Liao launches terrorist attacks, Kurita starts mass murdering response, Liao does more terrorist attacks and assassinations, Kurita goes mass destruction, Liao gets even crazier, Kurita goes genocidal, Liao goes genocidal - the War to End All Wars (at least on a Neolithic level. ) So many more mysterious planets lost in war for future conspiracy plots available.

Okay so yes or no.

Will Nukes be used?

Bio-Weapons?

Chemical weapons?

How effective will Human Rights Activists be?

Will Secret Police or Espionage Forces take a role?

Will sides choose to ally with outside factions?

Since the Clans are all going for Terra, and the Republic is on the defensive, what will the Lyrans and Free World's League be doing? I guess with Ghost Bear Buffer, the Lyrans will be less connected to the Capellan-Kurita War then the Mariks.

How crazy and creative and brutal will the mutual atrocities get - most done of course, in the name of "honor" and "duty" to a "Greater Good"?

[Colt Ward]

What point are you postulating this happens?  In SW1 they bumped into each other IIRC . . . and they are close (if not already, I cannot remember) now to bumping into each other as they take Davion & Republic worlds in the 40s.

[VensersRevenge]

What point are you postulating this happens?  In SW1 they bumped into each other IIRC . . . and they are close (if not already, I cannot remember) now to bumping into each other as they take Davion & Republic worlds in the 40s.

They fought on Northwind, but I think that's it in the Dark Age

[Imperium]

What point are you postulating this happens?

How much destruction would ensue? Would WMDs be used?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Both of them are stretched too thin to credibly launch a major war against each other.

[Colt Ward]

How much destruction would ensue? Would WMDs be used?

This depends, are you talking about the 1SW brushes?  Or are you talking about Dark Ages?  1SW has been spelled out in the appropriate sourcebooks, Shattered Fortress spells it out for Dark Age with as MLO4H says both are more concentrated dealing with the Davions and resurgent Republic.

[James Bedford]

I think in all likelihood, the Capellans and Draconis Combine would settle for a border with minor raids, if House Davion was absorbed between the two.  The Capellans would be more interested in their FWL border and the Draconis Combine would have to worry about the Ghost Bear Dominion.  As is often the case with two similar war crimes-friendly powers, they would probably reach a 'détente.

Of course, we have to see what the IlClan Era brings, as having a powerful Clan Military at the center of the Inner Sphere will change a lot of calculations.

[MadCapellan]

Philosophically, The Capellan Confederation is more focused on reclaiming historical territories than fighting the Dracs, & despite the Combine's declared purpose being the conquest of all space they're sharp enough to know mopping up the Davions is a better use of energy than starting a fresh conflict with the largest current Great House military. I have no doubt that an all-out conflict between the Confederation & Combine would be extraordinarily brutal, but it's also one both would most likely kick down the road.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Philosophically, the Capellans regard the entire Inner Sphere as future ex-Capellan worlds that need to be liberated.

[Sharpnel]

Philosophically, the Capellans regard the entire Inner Sphere as future ex-Capellan worlds that need to be liberated.

   :thumbsup: ;D :thumbsup:

[Arkansas Warrior]

Philosophically, The Capellan Confederation is more focused on reclaiming historical territories than fighting the Dracs, & despite the Combine's declared purpose being the conquest of all space they're sharp enough to know mopping up the Davions is a better use of energy than starting a fresh conflict with the largest current Great House military. I have no doubt that an all-out conflict between the Confederation & Combine would be extraordinarily brutal, but it's also one both would most likely kick down the road.

“Historical territories” that were never part of the CC, like New Syrtis.

[MadCapellan]

“Historical territories” that were never part of the CC, like New Syrtis.

When a viper's been threatening your family for years, sometimes you just have to cut off its head in the interest of your own self-preservation. The Federated Suns has re-claimed it now. Maybe they should reflect on how they arrived at needing to do so.

[GreekFire]

Philosophically, The Capellan Confederation is more focused on reclaiming historical territories than fighting the Dracs, & despite the Combine's declared purpose being the conquest of all space they're sharp enough to know mopping up the Davions is a better use of energy than starting a fresh conflict with the largest current Great House military. I have no doubt that an all-out conflict between the Confederation & Combine would be extraordinarily brutal, but it's also one both would most likely kick down the road.

That might have been Sun-Tzu's philosophy, but from what I've read of Daoshen, I don't think that's his major motivator when it comes to warfare and conquest.

[MadCapellan]

That might have been Sun-Tzu's philosophy, but from what I've read of Daoshen, I don't think that's his major motivator when it comes to warfare and conquest.

Is that why Daoshen agreed to a cease-fire with the Federated Suns & nearly agreed to another after the loss of New Syrtis? Is that why he arranged an alliance with the Combine against the Republic? No, the restoration of the Confederation still rests at the heart of everything our current Chancellor does, he is simply more willing in these chaotic times to strike out to eliminate threats beyond our traditional borders.

[GreekFire]

Is that why Daoshen agreed to a cease-fire with the Federated Suns & nearly agreed to another after the loss of New Syrtis? Is that why he arranged an alliance with the Combine against the Republic? No, the restoration of the Confederation still rests at the heart of everything our current Chancellor does, he is simply more willing in these chaotic times to strike out to eliminate threats beyond our traditional borders.

Wait, just to clear things up before we get into this, is this gonna be a LARP-off or an OOU discussion?

[MadCapellan]

B framed as A because I'm silly like that. ;D

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Is that why Daoshen agreed to a cease-fire with the Federated Suns & nearly agreed to another after the loss of New Syrtis? Is that why he arranged an alliance with the Combine against the Republic? No, the restoration of the Confederation still rests at the heart of everything our current Chancellor does, he is simply more willing in these chaotic times to strike out to eliminate threats beyond our traditional borders.

Because while he's a poster child for the way that insanity practically gallops in the Liao family, even he's not crazy enough to keep fighting a war on one front while another one is coming in hard on a different front.

[Minemech]

Is that why Daoshen agreed to a cease-fire with the Federated Suns & nearly agreed to another after the loss of New Syrtis? Is that why he arranged an alliance with the Combine against the Republic? No, the restoration of the Confederation still rests at the heart of everything our current Chancellor does, he is simply more willing in these chaotic times to strike out to eliminate threats beyond our traditional borders.

I have been wondering if it was proof that Daoshen knew of the condition of Caleb, and sought to exploit it to its maximum potential. Julian presented a problem, because he was a competent foe. The failure of the CCAF to eliminate Julian may cause great turmoil for the Confederation in the future.

[Colt Ward]

Daoshen's got a bogeyman problem with Stone and to a lesser extent the Republic- which is where he holds to Sunny's restoration dream- since he wants to restore the Tikonov and Terra-ward Commonalities.

But Shattered Fortress, Greywatch Protocol, and other bits of fiction show that rather than restore the CC to its former boundaries (no matter how imaginary they are like Chesterton) he seeks to claim Terra to be the 'leader' of all mankind.

[Guardsman]

Philosophically, the Capellans regard the entire Inner Sphere as future ex-Capellan worlds that need to be liberated.

   :thumbsup: ;D :thumbsup:

When the Chancellor deems these worlds worthy of entry into the Capellan Confederation, they will be liberated. Until that time has come, they must be patient.

[Kit deSummersville]

Sadly, he's far too focused on the front and not the knife about to plunge into his back.