Author Topic: royal versions of mechs (Read 2637 times)

nroe03742 · « **on:** 13 March 2019, 18:39:10 »

I have been looking for the royal versions of battle mechs that the star league produced but have not had much luck besides an ONI mech. is anyone willing to help

Sartris · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 March 2019, 18:49:01 »

There isn’t a good definitive list of royal variants but the mechs deployed by royal BattleMech regiments is a good place to start

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Era/FactionEraDetails?FactionId=43&EraId=10

You see a number of models that are fairly pedestrian intermixed with the cutting edge. Variants that end in a small b are definitely royal models. There are also some others like the Marauder 2R that are on par with the royal designs but didn’t get a royal designation. Still others like the Flashman and Guillotine never got a royal variant but are still brutal.

Wrangler · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 March 2019, 18:56:29 »

Most of the Royals are found in TRO3075, some in Field Maunel SLDF, Operation Klondike, and its Record sheet book

CVB · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 March 2019, 08:26:03 »

In addition, there are some to be found in Era Report 2750, and TROs 3039, 3050Upgr., 3058Upgr., 3085 and their respective Record Sheets.

Sartris · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 March 2019, 08:56:00 »

Here's a list i cobbled together. additions welcome

Royal Variants
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Locust LCT-1Vb
Stinger STG-3Gb
Thorn THE-Nb
Mongoose MON-66b
Falcon FLC-4Nb
Hermes HER-1Sb
Hussar HSR-200-Db
Ostscout OTT-7Jb
Sentinel STN-3Lb
Phoenix Hawk PXH-1b "Special"
Wyvern WVE-5Nb
Crab CRB-27b
Kintaro KTO-19b
Shadow Hawk SHD-2Hb
Champion CHP-1Nb
Ostroc OSR-2Cb
Catapult CPLT-C1b
Exterminator EXT-4Db
Ostwar OWR-2Mb
Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb
Archer ARC-2Rb
Excalibur EC-B2b
Warhammer WHM-6Rb
Black Knight BL-6b-KNT
Thug THG-11Eb
BattleMaster BLR-1Gb
BattleMaster BLR-1Gbc
Crockett CRK-5003-1b
Stalker STK-3Fb
Highlander HGN-732b
King Crab KGC-000b

Royal, but not with the official designator
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Spector SPR-4F
Talon TLN-5W
Griffin GRF-2N
Osprey OSP-15
Wolverine II WVR-7H (??)
Crusader CRD-2R
Exterminator EXT-4C
Warhammer WHM-7A
Marauder MAD-2R
Rifleman II RFL-3N-2
Emperor EMP-6A (??)
Atlas II AS7-D-H
Atlas II AS7-D-H2
Stinger LAM Mk I STG-A1

Royal, No Public Stats
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Wyvern WVE-5Nsl
Crab CRB-27sl
Champion CHP-1Nb2
Galahad GLH-2HD
Lancelot LNC25-01sl
Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb2

Royal, not special by 2750
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MAD-1R Marauder

Kidd · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 March 2019, 09:07:27 »

Add the WHM-7A Warhammer

CVB · « **Reply #6 on:** 14 March 2019, 10:12:02 »

Some more:

OSR-2Cb Ostroc listed in TRO 3075 Royal units overview
CRD-2R Crusader listed in TRO 3075 Royal units overview
MAD-1R Marauder listed in TRO 3075 Royal units overview

OSP-15 Osprey text in TRO3075

WVE-5Nsl Wyvern
CRB-27sl Crab
LNC25-01sl Lancelot
mentioned in ER2750, confirmed by author as Royal here: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=64221.msg1478169#msg1478169

STG-A1 Stinger LAM Mk I text in TRO3085

GLH-2HD Galahad (mostly, TRO3075 says "During the Star League’s golden years, the Galahad served in limited numbers with the SLDF’s Heavy and Dragoon Royal regiments. A few made their way into regular commands...")

EMP-6A Emperor (possibly, TRO 3058U text not conclusive)

TigerShark · « **Reply #7 on:** 14 March 2019, 10:31:49 »

Atlas II AS7-D-H2

Also, just about every unit was "Royal" at one point or another. The PLG-3Z was most likely a Hegemony-only unit during the Reunification War, but was disseminated to the SLDF and (post-war) the Member States.

Sartris · « **Reply #8 on:** 14 March 2019, 10:47:28 »

that's true. even the primitive mackie was the king of the hill at one point.

the pillager specifically is one of those "not royal but good enough to be used with them" examples.

Tymers Realm · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 March 2019, 11:55:37 »

Quote from: Sartris on 14 March 2019, 08:56:00

Royal, No Public Stats
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Lancelot LNC25-01sl

I did take a stab at what it could be in my variants/customs thread.
In reality, the 01sl seems like a faster and more fragile Flashman.

TigerShark · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 March 2019, 13:05:00 »

Quote from: Sartris on 14 March 2019, 10:47:28

that's true. even the primitive mackie was the king of the hill at one point.

the pillager specifically is one of those "not royal but good enough to be used with them" examples.

Yeah. I kind of wish "Royal" was associated with the HAF more than the units, to clear up confusion.

Wrangler · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 March 2019, 15:07:21 »

Pillagers are fairly old machines. Little surprised they never updated them. the HAF early one had twin AC/20s.

truetanker · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 March 2019, 21:10:50 »

TBH...

Panther-9R is a "royal".

8Z was the standard model, but realized that the PPC would fit better...

TT

Sartris · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 March 2019, 22:28:05 »

at that point, why even define anything as royal

the panther wasn't even used by the hegemony.

TigerShark · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 March 2019, 22:33:07 »

Quote from: Sartris on 14 March 2019, 22:28:05

at that point, why even define anything as royal

the panther wasn't even used by the hegemony.

I'll report that. It should be TH and SLDF.

Sartris · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 March 2019, 22:52:41 »

i still laugh at calling anything introtech a "royal" variant, especially after the upgrade that rolled off just before the amaris civil war would be next to a spector or talon (or five tons up to a royal sentinel) if placed in that group.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:01:56 »

Quote from: Sartris on 14 March 2019, 08:56:00

Royal, No Public Stats
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Crab CRB-27sl
Champion CHP-1Nb2
Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb2

Where are these from?

I've never heard of them before.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:02:57 »

Quote from: truetanker on 14 March 2019, 21:10:50

TBH...

Panther-9R is a "royal".

8Z was the standard model, but realized that the PPC would fit better...

TT

Quote from: Sartris on 14 March 2019, 22:52:41

i still laugh at calling anything introtech a "royal" variant, especially after the upgrade that rolled off just before the amaris civil war would be next to a spector or talon (or five tons up to a royal sentinel) if placed in that group.

Where is fluff about the 9R being a Royal mech from?

Sartris · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:08:51 »

TRO 3039 talks about the Hegemony upgrading the 8Z to the 9R. It wasn't explicitly called a royal design.

there's the venn diagram of "royal design" and "used by royal regiments"

the 9R would fall in the latter group. as does the Locust 1V.

truetanker · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:15:53 »

Here:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Panther

Specifically, original 3025 TRO stated, and later 3039 TRO, said that the Tronel Large Laser , which had both heat and maintenance problems, was replaced by a Lord's Light PPC. The Mech itself was a League commissioned design to support other light mechs...

It should be considered a Royal variant that became commonly used... after all when the weapon swap happened it was 2759... again when did Kerensky leave again? 2784 I believe... So for almost 35 years it would have been exclusively Royal status...

TT

Sartris · « **Reply #20 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:22:39 »

where does it say it was royal exclusive?

truetanker · « **Reply #21 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:34:24 »

I never said that, the first versions, 8Z, were built from Alshain's New Olson's plant in 2739 with original LL as a SLDF commissioned Mech. Problems with the main weapon prompted a swap for the Lord's Light PPC, it's replacement meant that for the next 35-ish years, it could be considered a " Royal " mod. Up and unto the Exodus, where House Kurita took over and produced this exclusive mech for themselves. The 8Z was upgraded during the many various conflicts that arose, losing the " Royal " name attachment.

Not till the Second SLDF did this mech get that name again... the 12A, built with clanrech... for an IS power.

Those are the facts I've gleaned from my personal pursuit of the game.

What defines a Royal mech? In my eyes it's the ability to dish out damage faster than one can absorb in as little time as possible. The 8Z was a production model, until the weapon swap... then it became common place during the 1-4th SW...

TT

Hellraiser · « **Reply #22 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:49:02 »

Quote from: Sartris on 14 March 2019, 23:08:51

TRO 3039 talks about the Hegemony upgrading the 8Z to the 9R. It wasn't explicitly called a royal design.

there's the venn diagram of "royal design" and "used by royal regiments"

the 9R would fall in the latter group. as does the Locust 1V.

Yeah, not the same thing. Royals used Royal mechs but not ONLY Royal mechs.

I'm not seeing the PNT as a Royal mech, sure, it was commissioned by the SLDF but they commissioned things for regular usage w/o them being exclusive Royal property to start out with.

It doesn't include proprietary tech so I'd say Royals got first dibs at PNTs if they wanted them & were stationed year cities, but they probably didn't go ONLY to Royal units.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #23 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:50:22 »

Quote from: truetanker on 14 March 2019, 23:34:24

Not till the Second SLDF did this mech get that name again... the 12A, built with clanrech... for an IS power.

Sorry, are you saying the 12A uses Clan Tech?

Sartris · « **Reply #24 on:** 14 March 2019, 23:57:12 »

Quote from: Hellraiser on 14 March 2019, 23:49:02

Yeah, not the same thing. Royals used Royal mechs but not ONLY Royal mechs.

I'm not seeing the PNT as a Royal mech, sure, it was commissioned by the SLDF but they commissioned things for regular usage w/o them being exclusive Royal property to start out with.

It doesn't include proprietary tech so I'd say Royals got first dibs at PNTs if they wanted them & were stationed year cities, but they probably didn't go ONLY to Royal units.

yeah, we're on the same page there, though i don't even see the 9R going wholesale even initially going to royal regiments. it's not that special.

Kidd · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 March 2019, 02:34:30 »

A Royal Mech is a Mech design that was only used by Terran Hegemony regiments and not SLDF units, AND features Level 2 tech such as Double Heat Sinks and Endo Steel

The PNT-9R is not a Royal Mech

Sartris · « **Reply #26 on:** 15 March 2019, 06:48:06 »

A number of royal mechs were available to regular sldf units (and some even to memeber states, which I assume has some correlation to factory locations). Hegemony units have their own availability list, which also includes royals.

I do think that a stricter rubric than “was used by royal units” or “got some modest upgrade” is needed and agree that level 2 tech is a minimum qualification. When people ask about royals (like this thread), they’re asking about the designs that started appearing in TRO 3075 and Historical: Op Klondike. Those include the “b” designation and a few select mechs like the Marauder 2R and null sig Spector.

CVB · « **Reply #27 on:** 15 March 2019, 07:09:48 »

Re:
Crab CRB-27sl
Champion CHP-1Nb2
Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb2

Quote from: Hellraiser on 14 March 2019, 23:01:56

Where are these from?

I've never heard of them before.

Crab CRB-27sl is from ER2750

Champion CHP-1Nb2 and Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb2 are intermediate Royal models with standard PPCs instead of the ER PPCs of the final Royal variants. They were probably added (OOC) because the intro dates originally stated for the Royal variants were before ER PPCs were available.
See notes in their respective MUL entries.

edited for clarity

CVB · « **Reply #28 on:** 17 March 2019, 13:58:44 »

And another one with the telltale "b" designator:
Wasp LAM Mk I WSP-100b from RS 3085Unabridged