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Seen the f117 at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo. Always a shock to see how much of the ground the plane is on its gear
 Looks like it's on stilts
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I really need to get up to McMinnville and see the air and space museum some time.
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Except the Museum of Flight has a Concorde, Blackbird, Space Shuttle trainer, prototype 747, and a whole bunch more. On one visit, I looked up at the F-5 hanging behind the LearFan. You can really see the area-rule coke bottle shape from below.

I mean, some of them have to be over-achievers  :grin:

Museum of Flight does try hard to give Intrepid, Le Bourget, Duxford, and Smithsonian/Udvar-Hazy a run for their money. Although for size, Le Bourget has a frelling A380 on display.

I had tentative plans to visit Museum of Flight this week, that unfortunately fell through

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I mean, some of them have to be over-achievers  :grin:

Museum of Flight does try hard to give Intrepid, Le Bourget, Duxford, and Smithsonian/Udvar-Hazy a run for their money. Although for size, Le Bourget has a frelling A380 on display.

I had tentative plans to visit Museum of Flight this week, that unfortunately fell through

i need to go back to the Pima air museum. since i was there last they've added an F-117, and finally got their B-36 onto display. last time i was there they'd just gotten the SR-71, and the B-36 was still in pieces as they rebuilt it.



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i need to go back to the Pima air museum. since i was there last they've added an F-117, and finally got ...
 last time i was there they'd just gotten the SR-71, and the B-36 was still in pieces as they rebuilt it.

I really need to go there when the weather is nice.
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Some old footage of the Su-15 'Flagon'. One of the old Soviet PVO interceptors that were never exported, and are mostly forgotten (aside from, in this case, the KAL007 shootdown), like the Su-9/11 'Fishpot'/'Fishpot-C', Tu-128/28 'Fiddler', MiG-31 'Foxhound', and the Yak-25/27/28 'Flashlight'/'Firebar'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grMKsBAXEXY

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Those are some nice shots of the SU-15. Boy, I'm a sucker for that polished metal look of Cold War fighters. I'll have to try it on a miniature one of these days.
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Those are some nice shots of the SU-15. Boy, I'm a sucker for that polished metal look of Cold War fighters. I'll have to try it on a miniature one of these days.

I've only ever seen one picture of an Su-15 in camouflage and in my old aircraft books, it was mostly noted due to the weird conical radome early versions had before they designed an ogival radome instead.

The metal finish of Cold War interceptors was something. Although you also saw it with a lot of bombers too. Most photos I've seen of the B-58 and B-47 and many older photos of Tu-16 and Tu-95/142 are bare metal as well.

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Some old footage of the Su-15 'Flagon'. One of the old Soviet PVO interceptors that were never exported, and are mostly forgotten (aside from, in this case, the KAL007 shootdown), like the Su-9/11 'Fishpot'/'Fishpot-C', Tu-128/28 'Fiddler', MiG-31 'Foxhound', and the Yak-25/27/28 'Flashlight'/'Firebar'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grMKsBAXEXY

Don't forget the Su-7. Actually have a model sitting in my Amazon cart, waiting for me to buy it (in 1/48 scale of course...)

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Don't forget the Su-7. Actually have a model sitting in my Amazon cart, waiting for me to buy it (in 1/48 scale of course...)

Damon.

Su-7 got the Frontal Aviation role though, so it's just as likely to show up in tactical camo as in bare metal. This does make me wonder if they ever conducted Su-7 vs. MiG-21 mock dogfights though. Also, now that I think about it, it's interesting that Constant Peg didn't fly Su-7s. I think there might have been some they could gotten from Egypt with the rest of the MiGs.

Edit: Seems like they just didn't have enough of them to put them to use with the Red Eagles, and there was some evaluation of ex-Egyptian Su-17/20/22 with other units (6513th Test Squadron, Have Up program). Air Force Systems Command seems to have had a wider selection of foreign equipment for research and exploitation in non-mock air combat fashion.
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Göppingen Gö 3 single-seat glider from 1935. Set an altitude record in 1938 for just shy of 22,000 ft. But mostly it looks amazing with the fabric gull wings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ppingen_G%C3%B6_3


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTAWTclKcEc

Oshkosh departures. Highlight is definitely the Lancaster with both still-flying B-29s, but there's also an A-26 in there ;)

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I really need to get up to McMinnville and see the air and space museum some time.
It's definitely worth the trip, definitely. I had a blast when I went in '21
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Better still photos of the B-29s and Lancaster over Oshkosh

https://avgeekery.com/historic-air-to-air-photoshoot-wwii-bombers-over-oshkosh/












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Indeed!  When the angle's right, you can even see the paint on the blade tips!

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Bunch of J-10 pics

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J-10AS 2-seater with a J-11 Flanker in the back


The FBW/canard delta combo is usually good for some high AoA displays



New J-10C with dummy PL-10 and PL-15 missiles


Lots of photos out of Pakistan of their new J-10Cs. I dig their heritage Mirage III grey/green paint scheme






Flying with one of their newer F-16Ds. I hadn't realized the PAF had gotten conformal shoulder tanks fitted


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They make us take an annual ethics course that mostly focuses on actions none of hte people I work with, will ever be in a position to do.  Nobody is ever going to bribe a guy who beats metal into airplane parts (or shapes) over a procurement contract, I'm never going to be at risk of overcharging the company on a business trip.  (not even if I get into AOG), I will never have the ability to hire a relative who is unqualified, because I don't have access to that level.

Why do we have those classes? because executives have been caught doing all those things.  They act unethically, we get to take a class telling us why it's wrong.

Well someone needs to have that class what you want them to take the time to sit though those boring meeting!!!

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OTOH, falsifying a rework document, doing unauthorized rework or modifications, claiming to have done a process and not doing it? those come with ACTUAL LEGAL CONSEQUENCES.  Not just 'fired' but "Hello mister federal marshall please don't break my wrists as you arrest me".

See, that production paperwork? and the rework documents? those are LEGAL documents.  You put your stamp on it and it wasn't done, they can toss your ass in LEAVENWORTH.

The prison, in Kansas, not the charming german-theme tourist town with the cool Octoberfest in Washington.

so, y'know, multiple failures and there's a good chance that if DoJ wanted to, people would be under arrest, under indictment, and facing a judge over this, but it won't be the guy who didn't claim the work was finished, at least, if anything happens at all beyond some fines and embarrassment.
Trust me I remember my days of having to fill out Production Paperwork that got turned into a Government Agency, and reading the warning on them and when my employer wanted me to "rush" them.  I was like I will either do them correctly or you can move me from this postition.

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Later we have Extensive Enterprises which is a 'totally legit' business, although the cartoon doesnt really go into details about what they actually do. Whatever plot demands usually. But probably finance, legal, and merchandising.

Destro isnt TECHNICALLY Cobra, although the cartoon kinda glosses over that. He's the owner of MARS Industries, which is an independant weapons manufacture. IE, he's who Cobra is handing over all their money too.
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More Polish Su-22 Fitters. You can see how the main gear retract into the wing glove instead of the fuselage, and some examples have the unpainted metal plate blast deflector next to the cannon (also seen on many Flankers)












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They make us take an annual ethics course that mostly focuses on actions none of hte people I work with, will ever be in a position to do.  Nobody is ever going to bribe a guy who beats metal into airplane parts (or shapes) over a procurement contract, I'm never going to be at risk of overcharging the company on a business trip.  (not even if I get into AOG), I will never have the ability to hire a relative who is unqualified, because I don't have access to that level.

About 15 years ago, when I was doing Tier II Tech for T-mobile, I had a customer offer me $10K because I fixed his Blackberry while he was roaming in Europe. So stuff like that CAN happen even to the least expecting person...

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About 15 years ago, when I was doing Tier II Tech for T-mobile, I had a customer offer me $10K because I fixed his Blackberry while he was roaming in Europe. So stuff like that CAN happen even to the least expecting person...

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The difference here, is that you were interacting directly with the customer.  We see Customer reps maybe in final assembly or over certain critical repair or modification work, but there's nothing for them to influence at my level, that can't be better handled by a word to the liaison who doesn't come down where we are.

to put this into perspective for you, I'm vanishingly unlikely to see or be offered a ten thousand dollar tip for what I do-the customers are unlikely to ever look at the heavy structure under the panels and go "Yeah, wow, that blend and rotopeen is ****** amazing, it's really going to help prevent stress cracks..."

much more likely, is if they're looking that deep, "Who is the dumb jackass who let a rivet-die mis-strike generate stress cracks in my airplane? how was this not caught by your quality control people? we're going to Airbus!"

see the difference?  If I do MY work right, or well, nobody should be able to tell, because everything works correctly.  what you did, is specialty correction of someone else's mistake (possibly even the customer himself) on something he looks at and uses every day for both business and personal use.

given the dollars you cite in your post, that ten grand was to that customer about like me giving five bucks to the coffee girl as a tip-something done off-hand and off-the-books and not thought about real hard, you see?
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I always had a soft spot for the Su-22.  Something about that nose intake and the wing gloves and the overall proportions just feels right to me.
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I always had a soft spot for the Su-22.  Something about that nose intake and the wing gloves and the overall proportions just feels right to me.

It's got interesting proportions. The long skinny fuselage of its fighter roots, the massive engine and inlet, and then the broad wing gloves, that look about the size of an Su-9/11's wings just by itself, and then the much thinner swing portion. Plus, you know, absolutely gigantic wing fences and greebles and bulges all over the place where they've grafted on successive additions of chaff/flares and other systems.

It definitely looks like a contemporary of the Phantom or Buccaneer, but coupled with the skinny fuselage of a 50's single-engine fighter like the F-8 or F-104.

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Another F-35A/F-22A side-by-side


For size comparison: F-15E Strike Eagle at the back, F/A-18F Super Hornet immediately in front. 2-seat F-16 on the left tip, single-seat F-16 on the right tip, Classic F/A-18A/C Hornet in the lead, Mirage 2000 and Saab Gripen. You can see how the Super Hornet is about as long as the Eagle, but without the broad fuselage or wing area, how much larger they (and even the Classic Hornet) are than the others, and just how petite the Gripen is.


The F-15 and F-22 are very comparable in size:

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I had never seen the aft of an F-14 up close and wow, it was a lot thinner than I imagined.  (Of course only working with Valkyries and not actual F-14s would do that to you.

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That broad, flat area acted as an additional wing surface, and it carried four missile hardpoints.
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It's hard to describe just how big and draggy the Phoenix is too. About as long as a Mk. 84 2000lb bomb. Smaller diameter (15" for AIM-54 to 18" for the bomb), but on the flip side, the Phoenix does have those gigantic fins too.

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That broad, flat area acted as an additional wing surface, and it carried four missile hardpoints.

technically 6 hard points. two centerline and a 2x2 array. they just couldn't be used at the same time.
if you went with full AIM-54, you used the 2x2 array



if you went full Sparrow, you could use the forwards 2 of the array and the two centerline.



and if you went mixed you could use the two forward of the array and one of the centerline.



usually it tended to be either all sparrow or the mixed.

there was also experiments early on in using the 2x2 array for bomb carrying using special ejector racks






this ability wasn't pursued originally, but was ressurected in the 90's, using LGB's and LANTIRN

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I'm pretty sure the OTHER user of the F-14 figured that one out too... ;)

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JASDF F-2s arriving in Singapore after exercises in India with their always striking intense blue colour scheme. I hadn't realized that their tanks are painted the same way, but since modern tanks are expected to be jettisoned only in an emergency, it makes sense for a reusable item. Other differences I hadn't noticed before was how different the shape of the 2-seater's canopy is.

F-2s



Polish F-16D for comparison