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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #180 on: 20 January 2023, 00:31:32 »
i went to change it had already been taken care of with no record in the changelog. spooky.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #181 on: 20 January 2023, 22:29:47 »
Grizzly 3 has a ‘Reinforced’ crit in the head.

Pg13. Fluff for Hoplite; dispossessed is capitalized in the 4th line
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #182 on: 21 January 2023, 00:31:11 »
Recognition Guide 18 (second printing)

Error: Record Sheet for Kingfisher T is included twice.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #183 on: 21 January 2023, 00:45:02 »
Recognition Guide 18 (second printing)

Error: Record Sheet for Kingfisher T is included twice.

The second Kingfisher T has also bodysnatched the X config

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #184 on: 21 January 2023, 02:38:00 »
Pg13. Fluff for Hoplite; dispossessed is capitalized in the 4th line

It's supposed to be capitalized.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #185 on: 21 January 2023, 07:23:15 »
Rec Guide Vol 30

stat block for Hellcat (Hellhound II), page 9

mass of extra heat sinks is incorrect,
should be 4 tons not 3
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #186 on: 21 January 2023, 19:02:55 »
ilClan Rec Guide Vol 30

Record Sheet for Conjurer (Hellhound) 6

Problem: The Rules Level for the record sheet is listed as Standard. Since the Conjurer 6 mounts an ER Medium Pulse Laser, and was introduced in the 3060s, the tech level should be experimental upon introduction (and Advanced by 3082 according to TRO: Prototypes, p. 207).

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #187 on: 22 January 2023, 18:43:01 »
ilClan Recognition Guide 11 Updated:

Ion Sparrow (Butcherbird) A Record Sheet.

Problem: BV (2.0) for the Ion Sparrow A is listed as 477. The original printing of ilClan Rec Guide 11, MUL, as well as Solaris Skunk Werks 0.7.6 reports the Ion Sparrow A should be BV (2.0) = 501.

Solution: 1. There is no problem, 477 is correct
2. change BV (2.0) back to 501.

For reference, here is the BV (2.0) calculation.

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Mech Name:   Ion Sparrow (Butcherbird)                 Tonnage:    20
Rules Level: Experimental Tech                         Total Cost: 3,820,750
Tech Base:   Mixed                                     Total BV:   501

Item                                            DefBV     OffBV             Cost
Internal Structure - Endo Steel                 37         0           32,000.00
Engine - XL Fusion Engine                        0         0          853,333.33
Gyro - Gyro                                     10         0          600,000.00
Cockpit - Small                                  0         0          265,000.00
Heat Sinks - Double Heat Sink                    0         0           60,000.00
Musculature - Standard                           0        20           40,000.00
Actuators                                        0         0           18,000.00
Jump Jets - Standard Jump Jet                    0         0          256,000.00
Armor - Ferro-Fibrous                          143         0           60,000.00

MG Array (4 MG)                                     0        33        21,250.00
MG Array (4 MG)                                     0        33        21,250.00
@ MG (1/2)                                          0         1           500.00
Active Probe                                       12         0       200,000.00
Partial Wing                                        0         0        70,000.00

Cost Multiplier                                                            1.500
Dry Cost                                                               3,820,250
Total Cost                                                             3,820,750


Defensive BV Calculation Breakdown
(Note: BV Calculations include defensive BV for armored components.)
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Total Armor Factor (57) * Armor Type Modifier (1.0) * 2.5                 142.50
Total Structure Points (33) * Structure Type Modifier (1.0)
    * Engine Type Modifier (0.75) * 1.5                                    37.13
Mech Tonnage (20) * Gyro Type Modifer (0.5)                                10.00
Total Defensive BV of all Equipment                                        12.00
Excessive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Explosive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Explosive Item Penalty                                                      0.00
Subtotal                                                                  201.63
Defensive Speed Factor Breakdown:
    Maximum Ground Movement Modifier: 1.40
    Maximum Jump Movement Modifier:   1.50
    Defensive Speed Factor Bonus from Equipment: 0.00
    Minimum Defensive Speed Factor:   0.00
    (Max of Run or Jump) + DSF Bonus = 1.50
Total DBV (Subtotal * Defensive Speed Factor (1.50))                      302.44


Offensive BV Calculation Breakdown
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Heat Efficiency (6 + 23 (Dissipation) - 8 (Movement Heat)) = 21.0
Adjusted Weapon BV Total WBV                                               66.80
    -> MG Array (4 MG)                                                     33.40
    -> MG Array (4 MG)                                                     33.40
Non-Heat Equipment Total NHBV                                               0.50
    -> @ MG (1/2)                                                           0.50
    -> Active Probe                                                         0.00
Excessive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Mech Tonnage Bonus                                                         20.00
Subtotal (WBV + NHBV - Excessive Ammo + Tonnage Bonus)                     87.30
Offensive Speed Factor Breakdown:
    Adjusted Running MP (12) + ( Adjusted Jumping MP (10) / 2 ) - 5 = 12.00
    12.00 / 10 + 1 = 2.200
    2.20 ^ 1.2 = 2.58 (rounded off to two digits)
Total OBV (Subtotal * Offensive Speed Factor (2.58))                      225.23


Small Cockpit modifier                                                      0.95
Total Battle Value ((DBV + OBV) * cockpit modifier, round off)               501

EDIT: Forgot to mention the MUL still lists the Ion Sparrow A at BV (2.0) = 501
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #188 on: 23 January 2023, 06:45:51 »
RG26, page 19
Maxim Heavy Hover Tank record sheet does not have ferro-fibrous armor marked even though it must have that in order to fit all the equipment (and it seems to share its armor layout and type with the Maxim 3052 upgrade model).

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #189 on: 24 January 2023, 05:00:23 »
RG30, page 26

The SRM Carrier shouldn't qualify for the Missile Boat role since it can't deliver indirect damage.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #190 on: 24 January 2023, 14:33:14 »
Vol 2 (January 2023 update) p 13, UrbanMech, Notable Pilot section, UrbanMech needs to be italicized.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #191 on: 24 January 2023, 16:38:07 »
Vol 8 (January 2023 update) p. 6, second column, last sentence before Capabilities: Touman needs to be in lowercase and italicized.

Incorrect. "Snow Raven Touman" (capitalized, non-italics) is correct.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #192 on: 26 January 2023, 14:03:48 »
ilClan Rec Guide Vol 12 (updated only)

Record Sheet, Huntsman (Nobori-Nin) G:

Problem: Tech Base is listed as "Mixed". It appears the only piece of equipment listed as Inner Sphere is the Retractable Blade, but this equipment is considered both Inner Sphere and Clan, according to TechManual, p. 237.

Solution: Change the Tech Base for the Huntsman (Nobori-Nin) G to Clan
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #193 on: 26 January 2023, 14:26:59 »
ilClan Rec Guides 12 and 12 updated:

Record Sheet, Shadow Hawk C:

Problem: Record sheets for the Shadow Hawk C in both the original and updated ilClan Rec Guide 12 have a "Clan Invasion" icon. MUL indicates the Shadow Hawk C dates to the Early Succession Wars, 2826.

Solution: Change the icon on the record sheet to "Succession Wars" icon.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #194 on: 26 January 2023, 14:47:54 »
Cosmetic observation for ilClan Rec Guides 13 and 13 updated

Record sheets for STG-5G Stinger

Problem: If it is preferred to place Double Heat Sinks above weapons, the right arm Light PPC + Capacitor is above the right arm DHS.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #195 on: 28 January 2023, 10:49:25 »
Problem: If it is preferred to place Double Heat Sinks above weapons, the right arm Light PPC + Capacitor is above the right arm DHS.

"Preferred" by who?

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #196 on: 28 January 2023, 19:43:28 »
"Preferred" by who?

I just saw the trend in recent the Rec Guides, so I figured I would bring it to your attention. I’m sorry if “preferred” is the wrong word. You’re doing an awesome job!

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #197 on: 29 January 2023, 09:31:36 »
RG vol 28, page 6.
The Long Tom's battle history erroneously states that the Second MAC artillery attacked Julian Davion's forces in 3147. Judging by Shattered Fortress page 57, this actually happened in 3148.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #198 on: 30 January 2023, 16:51:21 »
ilClan Recognition Guide 14

Record Sheet, Ostsol C

Problem: While it has no effect on gameplay (and construction is still legal), there are only 5 designated criticals for Clan Reflec armor. TO, p. 280, Clan laser reflective armor should have 7 criticals.

Solution: Add 2 Reflec criticals to locations with open criticals, for instance 1 each to the arms or side torsos.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #199 on: 30 January 2023, 20:05:06 »
ilClan Rec Guide 15 updated:

Record Sheet, Fire Falcon F:

Problem: The reported BV (2.0) = 1,430 for the Fire Falcon F. Using Solaris Skunk Werks, the calculated BV (2.0) = 1,135. This matches the original published version of ilClan Rec Guide 15, as well as the MUL.

Solutions: 1. There is no problem, SSW is wrong (maybe MG arrays are not calculated correctly, etc.). 1,430 is the correct BV.
2. The BV is not 1,430, and needs to be corrected.

Here is the report on BV value:

Code: [Select]
Mech Name:   Fire Falcon                               Tonnage:    25
Rules Level: Tournament Legal                          Total Cost: 4,721,052
Tech Base:   Clan                                      Total BV:   1,135

Item                                            DefBV     OffBV             Cost
Internal Structure - Endo Steel                 48         0           40,000.00
Engine - XL Fusion Engine                        0         0        1,333,333.33
Gyro - Gyro                                     13         0          600,000.00
Cockpit - Standard                               0         0          300,000.00
Heat Sinks - Double Heat Sink                    0         0           60,000.00
Musculature - Standard                           0        25           50,000.00
Actuators                                        0         0           22,500.00
Armor - Ferro-Fibrous                          190         0           80,000.00

Active Probe                                       12         0       200,000.00
ER Large Laser                                      0       248       200,000.00
ER Small Laser                                      0        31        11,250.00
ER Micro Laser                                      0         7        10,000.00
ER Small Laser                                      0        31        11,250.00
ER Micro Laser                                      0         7        10,000.00
MG Array (4 MG)                                     0        33        21,250.00
MG Array (4 MG)                                     0        33        21,250.00
@ MG                                                0         1         1,000.00

Cost Multiplier                                                            1.563
Dry Cost                                                               4,720,052
Total Cost                                                             4,721,052


Defensive BV Calculation Breakdown
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Total Armor Factor (76) * Armor Type Modifier (1.0) * 2.5                 190.00
Total Structure Points (43) * Structure Type Modifier (1.0)
    * Engine Type Modifier (0.75) * 1.5                                    48.38
Mech Tonnage (25) * Gyro Type Modifer (0.5)                                12.50
Total Defensive BV of all Equipment                                        12.00
Excessive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Explosive Ammunition Penalty                                              -15.00
Explosive Item Penalty                                                      0.00
Subtotal                                                                  247.88
Defensive Speed Factor Breakdown:
    Maximum Ground Movement Modifier: 1.40
    Maximum Jump Movement Modifier:   0.00
    Defensive Speed Factor Bonus from Equipment: 0.00
    Minimum Defensive Speed Factor:   0.00
    (Max of Run or Jump) + DSF Bonus = 1.40
Total DBV (Subtotal * Defensive Speed Factor (1.40))                      347.03


Offensive BV Calculation Breakdown
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Heat Efficiency (6 + 20 (Dissipation) - 2 (Movement Heat)) = 24.0
Adjusted Weapon BV Total WBV                                              390.80
    -> ER Large Laser                                                     248.00
    -> ER Small Laser                                                      31.00
    -> ER Micro Laser                                                       7.00
    -> ER Small Laser                                                      31.00
    -> ER Micro Laser                                                       7.00
    -> MG Array (4 MG)                                                     33.40
    -> MG Array (4 MG)                                                     33.40
Non-Heat Equipment Total NHBV                                               1.00
    -> Active Probe                                                         0.00
    -> @ MG                                                                 1.00
Excessive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Mech Tonnage Bonus                                                         25.00
Subtotal (WBV + NHBV - Excessive Ammo + Tonnage Bonus)                    416.80
Offensive Speed Factor Breakdown:
    Adjusted Running MP (12) + ( Adjusted Jumping MP (0) / 2 ) - 5 = 7.00
    7.00 / 10 + 1 = 1.700
    1.70 ^ 1.2 = 1.89 (rounded off to two digits)
Total OBV (Subtotal * Offensive Speed Factor (1.89))                      787.75


Total Battle Value (DBV + OBV, round off)                                  1,135
« Last Edit: 30 January 2023, 20:07:08 by S.gage »
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #200 on: 03 February 2023, 16:06:55 »
RG31, page 30 Behemoth (Refit) record sheet
Issues:
-has wrong era icon (should be Civil War probably judging by unit description)
-lacks MG ammo completely, probable amount half a ton (100 shots) in order to fit everything else.
-SAW and MML both report BV as 1246 with half a ton of machine gun ammo.
« Last Edit: 03 February 2023, 16:11:44 by Empyrus »

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #201 on: 03 February 2023, 16:10:45 »
RG31, page 29 Behemoth (Laio) record sheet

Issue:
Record sheet lacks ammunition for the Gauss Rifle.

Solution: Add Gauss Ammo
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #202 on: 03 February 2023, 16:12:42 »
-SAW reports BV as 1246 but i'm uncertain about that.

Please copy and paste the BV report so we can take a look to see if/where SAW (or, inversely, MML) is goofing up the calcs

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #203 on: 03 February 2023, 16:23:14 »
Hey in Rec Guide 29 page 13 the Charger C blurb says

‘A fully clan tech version of the mech’ (or something to that effect)

While the record sheet later shows it using a IS 400XL (3 crits per torso)

Either the description or the record sheet needs to change. (Also if the record sheet changes you’ll have to get the MUL team on a new card, the card reflects the IS engine)

Might have put this in the wrong spot.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #204 on: 03 February 2023, 16:36:57 »
Please copy and paste the BV report so we can take a look to see if/where SAW (or, inversely, MML) is goofing up the calcs
MML report:
Code: [Select]
Battle Value Calculations For
-----------------------------
Behemoth Heavy Tank
--------------------
Defensive Battle Rating Calculation:
   Total Armor FR (46) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          46.0
   Total Armor RS (38) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          38.0
   Total Armor LS (38) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          38.0
   Total Armor RR (40) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          40.0
   Total Armor TU (46) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          46.0
   Total modified armor BV x 2.5                                           = 520.0
   Total I.S. Points x 1.5 x Blue Shield Multipler   50 x 1.5 x 1.0         = 75.0
                                                                         ---------
   Defensive Equipment                                                           
                                                                             = 0.0
   x Body Type Modifier                              x 0.9                       
   x Target Movement modifier                        x 1.1                       
                                                                         ---------
                                                                             589.1
   Weapons                                                                       
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Front                 5.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Front                 5.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Front               21.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Front               21.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Side/Turret           5.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Side/Turret         21.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Side/Turret           5.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Side/Turret         21.0
   SRM 6                                             59.0 Side/Turret         59.0
   SRM 6                                             59.0 Side/Turret         59.0
   LB 10-X AC                                        148.0 Side/Turret       148.0
   LB 10-X AC                                        148.0 Side/Turret       148.0
                                                                           = 698.0
   Ammo BV                                                                       
   LRM 5 Ammo                                                              BV: 6.0
   LRM 5 Ammo                                                              BV: 6.0
   SRM 6 Ammo                                                              BV: 7.0
   SRM 6 Ammo                                                              BV: 7.0
   SRM 2 Ammo                                                              BV: 3.0
   Half Machine Gun Ammo                                                   BV: 0.5
   LB 10-X AC Ammo                                                        BV: 19.0
   LB 10-X AC Ammo                                                        BV: 19.0
   LB 10-X Cluster Ammo                                                   BV: 19.0
   LB 10-X Cluster Ammo                                                   BV: 19.0
                                                                           = 105.5
   Offensive Equipment                                                           
   CASE                                              0.0                         
                                                                             = 0.0
                                                                         ---------
   + weight / 2                                      100.0 / 2              = 50.0
   + weapons bv * speed factor                       853.5 * 0.77          = 657.2
                                                                         ---------
   Final BV                                                                1,246.2
                                                                         ---------
   Final Adjusted BV                                                     = 1,246.0

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #205 on: 03 February 2023, 18:16:39 »
MML report:
Code: [Select]
Battle Value Calculations For
-----------------------------
Behemoth Heavy Tank
--------------------
Defensive Battle Rating Calculation:
   Total Armor FR (46) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          46.0
   Total Armor RS (38) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          38.0
   Total Armor LS (38) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          38.0
   Total Armor RR (40) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          40.0
   Total Armor TU (46) x 1.0 x 10/10                                          46.0
   Total modified armor BV x 2.5                                           = 520.0
   Total I.S. Points x 1.5 x Blue Shield Multipler   50 x 1.5 x 1.0         = 75.0
                                                                         ---------
   Defensive Equipment                                                           
                                                                             = 0.0
   x Body Type Modifier                              x 0.9                       
   x Target Movement modifier                        x 1.1                       
                                                                         ---------
                                                                             589.1
   Weapons                                                                       
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   LRM 5                                             45.0 Front               45.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Front                 5.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Front                 5.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Front               21.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Front               21.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Side/Turret           5.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Side/Turret         21.0
   Machine Gun                                       5.0 Side/Turret           5.0
   SRM 2                                             21.0 Side/Turret         21.0
   SRM 6                                             59.0 Side/Turret         59.0
   SRM 6                                             59.0 Side/Turret         59.0
   LB 10-X AC                                        148.0 Side/Turret       148.0
   LB 10-X AC                                        148.0 Side/Turret       148.0
                                                                           = 698.0
   Ammo BV                                                                       
   LRM 5 Ammo                                                              BV: 6.0
   LRM 5 Ammo                                                              BV: 6.0
   SRM 6 Ammo                                                              BV: 7.0
   SRM 6 Ammo                                                              BV: 7.0
   SRM 2 Ammo                                                              BV: 3.0
   Half Machine Gun Ammo                                                   BV: 0.5
   LB 10-X AC Ammo                                                        BV: 19.0
   LB 10-X AC Ammo                                                        BV: 19.0
   LB 10-X Cluster Ammo                                                   BV: 19.0
   LB 10-X Cluster Ammo                                                   BV: 19.0
                                                                           = 105.5
   Offensive Equipment                                                           
   CASE                                              0.0                         
                                                                             = 0.0
                                                                         ---------
   + weight / 2                                      100.0 / 2              = 50.0
   + weapons bv * speed factor                       853.5 * 0.77          = 657.2
                                                                         ---------
   Final BV                                                                1,246.2
                                                                         ---------
   Final Adjusted BV                                                     = 1,246.0

I also had problems with the Behemoth Heavy Tank (Refit). The BV (2.0) matched the published value with the CASE installed, 1266, and the mass is already 100 tons without MG ammo.

Solutions to the problem: 1. Replace armor, ammo, or weapons for MG ammo.
2 (my preferred solution). In order to add 1/2 ton of MG ammo, I removed the case. The BV is unchanged, 1266. Here is the cost breakdown:

Code: [Select]
Vehicle Name:   Behemoth Heavy Tank (Refit)               Tonnage:    100
Rules Level: Tournament Legal                          Total Cost:    3,752,167
Tech Base:   Inner Sphere                                Total BV:    1,266

Item                                            DefBV     OffBV             Cost
Internal Structure - Standard                   75         0          100,000.00
Controls                                         0         0           50,000.00
Lift Equipment                                   0         0                0.00
Engine - I.C.E. Engine                           0         0          333,333.33
Heat Sinks - Single Heat Sink                    0         0                0.00
Power Amplifiers                                 0         0                0.00
Armor - Standard Armor                         540         0          135,000.00
Turret                                           0         0           15,000.00

LRM-5                                               0        45        30,000.00
LRM-5                                               0        45        30,000.00
LRM-5                                               0        45        30,000.00
LRM-5                                               0        45        30,000.00
Machine Gun                                         0         5         5,000.00
Machine Gun                                         0         5         5,000.00
SRM-2                                               0        21        10,000.00
SRM-2                                               0        21        10,000.00
SRM-2                                               0        21        10,000.00
Machine Gun                                         0         5         5,000.00
SRM-2                                               0        21        10,000.00
Machine Gun                                         0         5         5,000.00
LB 10-X AC                                          0       148       400,000.00
LB 10-X AC                                          0       148       400,000.00
SRM-6                                               0        59        80,000.00
SRM-6                                               0        59        80,000.00
@ LB 10-X (Cluster)                                 0        19        20,000.00
@ LB 10-X (Cluster)                                 0        19        20,000.00
@ LB 10-X (Slug)                                    0        19        12,000.00
@ LB 10-X (Slug)                                    0        19        12,000.00
@ LRM-5                                             0         6        30,000.00
@ LRM-5                                             0         6        30,000.00
@ SRM-2                                             0         3        27,000.00
@ SRM-6                                             0         7        27,000.00
@ SRM-6                                             0         7        27,000.00
@ MG (1/2)                                          0         1           500.00

Cost Multiplier                                                            1.000
Chassis Modifier                                                           2.000
Dry Cost                                                               3,546,667
Total Cost                                                             3,752,167


Defensive BV Calculation Breakdown
________________________________________________________________________________
Total Armor Factor (216) * Armor Type Modifier (1.0) * 2.5                540.00
Total Structure Points (50) * Structure Type Modifier (1.0)
    * 1.5                                                                  75.00
Total Defensive BV of all Equipment                                         0.00
Excessive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Subtotal                                                                  615.00
Vehicle Type Modifier                                                       0.90
Total DBV (Subtotal * Vehicle Type Modifier * Defensive Factor (1.10))    608.85


Offensive BV Calculation Breakdown
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Weapon BV Total WBV                                                       698.00
    -> LRM-5                                                               45.00
    -> LRM-5                                                               45.00
    -> LRM-5                                                               45.00
    -> LRM-5                                                               45.00
    -> Machine Gun                                                          5.00
    -> Machine Gun                                                          5.00
    -> SRM-2                                                               21.00
    -> SRM-2                                                               21.00
    -> SRM-2                                                               21.00
    -> Machine Gun                                                          5.00
    -> SRM-2                                                               21.00
    -> Machine Gun                                                          5.00
    -> LB 10-X AC                                                         148.00
    -> LB 10-X AC                                                         148.00
    -> SRM-6                                                               59.00
    -> SRM-6                                                               59.00
Non-Heat Equipment Total NHBV                                             105.50
    -> @ LB 10-X (Cluster)                                                 19.00
    -> @ LB 10-X (Cluster)                                                 19.00
    -> @ LB 10-X (Slug)                                                    19.00
    -> @ LB 10-X (Slug)                                                    19.00
    -> @ LRM-5                                                              6.00
    -> @ LRM-5                                                              6.00
    -> @ SRM-2                                                              3.00
    -> @ SRM-6                                                              7.00
    -> @ SRM-6                                                              7.00
    -> @ MG (1/2)                                                           0.50
Excessive Ammunition Penalty                                                0.00
Vehicle Tonnage Bonus                                                      50.00
Subtotal (WBV + NHBV + Tonnage Bonus)                                     853.50
Offensive Speed Factor Breakdown:
    Adjusted Flank MP (3) + ( Adjusted Jumping MP (0) / 2 ) - 5 = -2.00
    -2.00 / 10 + 1 = 0.800
    0.80 ^ 1.2 = 0.77 (rounded off to two digits)
Total OBV (Subtotal * Offensive Speed Factor (0.77))                      657.20


Total Battle Value (DBV + OBV, round off)                                  1,266

EDIT: My reply was written as a response, and was a bit unclear. Now it is written with more clarification, and potential alternate fixes.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #206 on: 04 February 2023, 08:18:52 »
Dev errata:

#31, p. 3, Credits

Writing - delete Edward McEneely
also add following line:
Additional Writing: John Haward, Agustín Sieiro Barja

Apologies for the inconvenience.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #207 on: 04 February 2023, 18:26:13 »
Dev Level Errata:

Rec Guide #31

Behemoth Heavy Tank (Refit)

Replace armor with following values.
Front: 46
R/L Side: 38
Rear: 40
Turret: 46

Add half ton of Machine gun ammo - (Machine Gun) 100

BV will change to 1246

Era Icon should be Clan Invasion.

Behemoth Heavy Tank (Liao)

Reduce MML Ammo to (MML 5/LRM) 72, (MML 5/SRM) 60

add (Gauss) 16

BV will change to 1324
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #208 on: 09 February 2023, 00:14:12 »
RecGuide 19 and 20.
The Rime Otter and Mastodon use RUFM engines. Should be RFMU like the Grizzly.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #209 on: 12 February 2023, 16:09:01 »
VERSION: Updated Recognition Guide volume 1

LOCATION: Griffin 3N (pg20) and Griffin C (pg23) record sheets

THE ERROR: The record sheets are missing right hand actuators.
Considering the Griffin C originally had this issue and it was noted to be an error here, it seems the error has multiplied.

THE CORRECTION: Add right hand actuator to both sheets.

 

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