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BattleTech Miniatures and Terrain => Iron Wind Metals News and Announcements => Fan Financing 2.0 => Topic started by: speck on 13 June 2015, 22:31:23
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This is the Funding thread for Flashman FLS-8K Resculpt / variant parts and it needs $1000.00 to be Funded.
Current Funds total $1000.00 and have been fully funded
Current images below are the ones that Savage Coyote posted to Question thread.
(http://camospecs.com/images/schemes/60_ogre_gencon_diorama_2010_LOM_flashman_left.jpg)
(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3039/Flashman%203039.jpg)
(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/69/Flashman_3025.jpg)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/a/a9/Flashman.jpg/191px-Flashman.jpg)
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I could put in $25 and pay June 19th.
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I agree with what Weirdo said in the question thread: "My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up". I'm in for $300.
Edit: Now that I think about it, just chop the projections at the top of the leg so that the mech can run, and the bottom from the third pic is fine too.
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You guys are doing a lot to shake me up. During the poling I was like; Highlander? Justice demands that, but Meh. Flashman? WHy I have four already. but now it's like; "Well, I'll only have to replace two highlanders...and four Flashmen."
Flash*mans*...Uses the same plural, right? Flash*men*?
Anyhoo, put me down for $50
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Ah, excellent timing! I'll front $150.
The current mini is awful, with unreasonable arms and those ridiculous things extending off the top of the legs. The middle art pic has reasonable legs and arms. All it needs is a laser for the center torso and maybe something to suggest the AMS and.
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I agree with what Weirdo said in the question thread: "My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up". I'm in for $300.
Agree with this. I'm in for $75. Maybe more if I things work out this week.
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Updated first post with current total of 600 if I did my math right.
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I'd be happy from the middle art from TRO:3025 Revisited. But if IAMCLANWOLF and B3 do what they did for the Highlander and use a mix of inspirational sources to achieve and awesome end piece, then I would be happy with that as well. Put me down for $25 since I will also be funding the Red Reaper when that one finally comes up.
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Isn't the middle one for the 7K? The other two are the 8K.
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I am in for $25.
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I'd like to chip in 25.
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In all honesty I have never been a fan of the flash man. So I will skip this one sorry guys
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I like the torso, arms, upper legs (minus the widgets that stick out the back), lower legs (minus the back bell bottom Jump Jet looking things) and feet of art #2 and hips of art #3 (nicer details and no weird phallic box on the front). However, I'd like to suggest a departure from the boxy shapes that only occur in the legs on #3 and do the legs with rounded surfaces like the rest of the Mech. I'll do a quick sketch to illustrate later today.
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I note that #2 does not include the CT large laser, clearly visible in #3. Is it showing a different model?
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#2 is the 7K I believe, which only has LL's in each arm
I'm looking into what I can toss at this baby. Probably won't be a ton but I'll check things out tonight and see
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Just like the Highlander, the Flashman orthos will be a combination of the best elements from all current [canon] art.
The legs are going to be a challenge, but should be a fun one.
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Wadayathink of this? Just a rough draft of course.
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/Battletech/Flashman%20curvy.jpg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/Battletech/Flashman%20curvy.jpg.html)
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Just like the Highlander, the Flashman orthos will be a combination of the best elements from all current [canon] art.
The legs are going to be a challenge, but should be a fun one.
Those fins off the hip have to be one of the most annoying things (to me) on the miniature next to maybe how the current miniature's arms work (or don't)
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Just like the Highlander, the Flashman orthos will be a combination of the best elements from all current [canon] art.
The legs are going to be a challenge, but should be a fun one.
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At first B-3, I was gonna say I didn't mind the boxy legs but now that I see your rendering I do like the rounded legs better.
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OstFlash! awesome!
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(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/69/Flashman_3025.jpg)
Of all the artwork; I think this leg looks the most capable of actual RL locomotion.
Digitigrade, but still needs some refining.
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I didn't expect it, but I really dig the new legs. Nice work, man! O0
(1000 "thank you"s for fixing the stupid stick-ankles from pictures 1 & 3.)
I'm going to throw out another plug to keep the cockpit windows packed close together, as in picture 3.
Please also include the CT laser from picture 3 (or an easy way to add it), so we can field the classic SLDF version.
Do these things for me, and you'll be my hero all over again. :D
ETA: Actually, another minor detail is the hole for the zippo flamer that appears in the SLDF model. I think it's above the cockpit in pic 3.
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I can put in $50. Maybe more if we stall on funding.
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I'd like to add the possibility of variant bits to this discussion. I can put together a price for parts if I can get a solid list of what is needed to do these:
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/Battletech/all_flashman_versions_by_masterofcaps-d30gscn.jpg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/Battletech/all_flashman_versions_by_masterofcaps-d30gscn.jpg.html)
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So... looks like various torso bits for lasers, an AMS mount, and alternate arms for the Heavy PPCs?
I don't think I'd change the ferro glass for the small cockpit on the 9B (if it were up to me).
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I'll have to see if the wife can free up a few bucks.
B-3 the alternate parts look great. I'm not sure about the legs in that pic though. I would prefer the ones from your rough draft.
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Yep, the rounded legs are a go.
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The torso sure blossomed out and became more bulbous in Lewis' renderings there ???
Also agree with IAMCLANWOLF that the cockpit should be broken up a little more
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Personally I prefer the blocky legs. I suspect for variant, just having the four port AMS being a separate piece would be sufficient. I am assuming recessed (AKA drilled) lasers. If not, maybe simple glue on like the Pariah's jump jets.
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Maybe just a chest insert similar to the Pariah's shoulder weapons. Would only need 3 really, 1 for 7K/9B, 1 for 8K/9C/C and 1 for the 9M. Then with an AMS bit and 1 set of arms with different tips (tips + under bits for the 9M HPPCs - similar to Dolaire LPLs)
Heavyguard
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I'm concerned that it looks like the arms are like the original sculpt. I'd like a ball and socket joint where the main part of the arm plugs into the shoulder assembly (see attachment). Specifically, the black circled part should be where the socket is.
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The Variant graphic was posted only to show the location of the different parts on each variant not as an design we are using. We are going with orthos based on the graphic I rounded the legs on.
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This thread is getting way ahead of itself...
Jim, that artwork is not a representation of what we are going to use for the final miniature.
Orthos are still a work in progress. I will post as soon as I am finished.
Yeesh, ya'll are real task masters, I tell ya... I just finished up the Griffin orthos... :D [whipit]
JK... ;)
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This thread is getting way ahead of itself...
Jim, that artwork is not a representation of what we are going to use for the final miniature.
Orthos are still a work in progress. I will post as soon as I am finished.
Yeesh, ya'll are real task masters, I tell ya... I just finished up the Griffin orthos... :D [whipit]
JK... ;)
Less typing more Ortho drawing! [whipit] [whipit] [whipit] :D
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Phaha!
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I know, shudup n sculpt, right! :D
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It's hard to tell who's the dominant one in this relationship. ^-^
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Not the one who say ''apple'' ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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There can be only one. [skull]
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Honestly, I would prefer not to switch the thing to pronounced digitigrade locomotion. It would be nice to see a cleaned up and improved version of the canon artwork, rather than a whole new battlemech. (I'll admit that pic #3 looks like it is probably supposed to be digitigrade, but with a much shallower knee angle, kind of like the Thug.)
I see where the odd, two-part structure of the upper leg in B-3's sketch, and in canon image #2 could be interpreted as a digitigrade joint, but there is also a knee-looking joint for normal locomotion right below it.
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I was looking at that odd leg setup in CA #2 and decided the piece between the upper and lower thigh pieces is a shock absorber not an extra joint. That leaves it a hip, knee and ankle leg setup.
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I'd like to put down $25 towards this.
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I was looking at that odd leg setup in CA #2 and decided the piece between the upper and lower thigh pieces is a shock absorber not an extra joint. That leaves it a hip, knee and ankle leg setup.
"Shock Absorber" is as good a guess as anybody is going to make, even if it is kind of an odd place to put one.
Perhaps we can relegate needless extra leg joints to TRO 3060, where they belong. (I wince just trying to imagine what a Kabuto's walking motion must look like #P )
(btw, B-3, your 2nd round concept sketches looked cool, just not what I expect from a Flashman O0 )
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The Variant graphic was posted only to show the location of the different parts on each variant not as an design we are using. We are going with orthos based on the graphic I rounded the legs on.
Based on that statement, and your excellent concept sketch, I'll chip in for $50.
To progress! [cheers]
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put me down for 25. I can't pay till the first week of July since I'll be out of town and out of service for awhile
By my count that puts us as 775?
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I count 825
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Using a calculator to total up all the pledges, I got $800 on the dot. I'm interested to see about variant bits.
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Maybe just a chest insert similar to the Pariah's shoulder weapons. Would only need 3 really, 1 for 7K/9B, 1 for 8K/9C/C and 1 for the 9M. Then with an AMS bit and 1 set of arms with different tips (tips + under bits for the 9M HPPCs - similar to Dolaire LPLs)
Heavyguard
If we all agree that this list will cover the Variant bits then I will do them all for another $200.00.
I'm thinking of a bit that attaches under the original arm that has an end plate with the HPPC tip.
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When should we start sending in money? Instructions will be needed again.
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If no one wants to step up for this one, you can send your Fundications directly to me. PM me and I'll provide my Paypal info if you don't already have it.
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PM sent.
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I will send my payment on July 1st. Might be a few days earlier, just waiting for some things to finish processing.
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B-3 - Apologies, I would volunteer to lead for you again so that you can concentrate on the sculpting, but I have a few things all happening at the same time at work and at home. I am worried that I am at risk of dropping the ball somewhere. :-[
Hopefully, I will be in a position to lead the next fun funding effort for you, if everybody is willing to put up with me again.
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B-3 - Apologies, I would volunteer to lead for you again so that you can concentrate on the sculpting, but I have a few things all happening at the same time at work and at home. I am worried that I am at risk of dropping the ball somewhere. :-[
Hopefully, I will be in a position to lead the next fun funding effort for you, if everybody is willing to put up with me again.
No worries Feenix, I can handle this one. Any help is appreciated!
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If we all agree that this list will cover the Variant bits then I will do them all for another $200.00.
I'm thinking of a bit that attaches under the original arm that has an end plate with the HPPC tip.
The pulse laser variant parts seem like very subtle changes from the regular laser parts. I don't mind funding the sculpting for them, but I would like to know how much they would add to the final mold cost before we include them. Speck, B-3, any idea?
The bigger variant parts seem pretty cool. (Sending a PM momentarily.)
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The Pulse laser details are so subtle, little X's over the laser ports. I can do additional plates that plug into the ones that are in the arms. If that's all, add another $50.
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So what is the final target funding total? Its looks like we're still only funded up to 800. Just my personal opinion, but I don't think the sculpt needs to distinguish between pulse and regular laser lenses specially if the difference is a subtle x over the port. I feel like that would just increase the parts count, amount of material used, as well as the final price point for each mini.
Maybe just a chest insert similar to the Pariah's shoulder weapons. Would only need 3 really, 1 for 7K/9B, 1 for 8K/9C/C and 1 for the 9M. Then with an AMS bit and 1 set of arms with different tips (tips + under bits for the 9M HPPCs - similar to Dolaire LPLs)
Heavyguard
I like this idea since it makes efficient use of variant bits and give you more variants for your money. Also, more bits to sculpt means more time B-3 has to spend sculpting which means longer I have to wait for me to get this product in my hands. ;)
We have time to discuss it since B-3 is still working on the Griffin.
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if B-3 is doing the resculpt, I'll throw $50 at this! O0
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The Pulse laser details are so subtle, little X's over the laser ports. I can do additional plates that plug into the ones that are in the arms. If that's all, add another $50.
Sorry, I may not have been clear:
My question is not what would it cost to sculpt.
My question is: How would the extra parts affect the cost of the final mini.
(Extra molds, extra metal, etc.)
More parts and complexity (to say nothing of extra metal) add manufacturing cost. I'm wondering how much.
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Idano man I just sculpt 'em. :D
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Payment sent.
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The total for the Flashman and variants is $1000 ($800 Mech $200 Variant bits).
So far the following Fundicators have Fundicated:
jimdigris - $300.00
Haku - $75.00
klarg1 - $50.00
Abou - $50.00
Mdauben - $50.00
Jal Phoenix - $150.00
ph234r - $25.00
Probable Koz - $25.00
Stormnion1 - $50.00
Spaceman - $25.00
Savage Coyote - $25.00
Flech - $100.00
Beachhead1985 - $50.00
Total so far - $975.00
Left to Fundicate - $25.00
Please be sure to include your forum name with your Paypal payment, it makes this a lot easier to keep straight.
Thanks! :D
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Sent payment.
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If your still looking for people for the extra variants I can put in $50.
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If your still looking for people for the extra variants I can put in $50.
Yep, still need Fundication of the variant bits.
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Yep, still need Fundication of the variant bits.
Well keep me updated. PM me if you have to. For some reason I completely missed this thread...
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Put me in for $100 for varient bits. Gotta get that free shipping ^-^
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So Fletch now puts us at the $200 for the additional variant bits. I will be able to send my funds soon. I'm really looking forward to this mini.
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Same here, Flashman has always been a favorite mech, but the current mini makes me not want to field it.
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Fundy money is sent O0
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Money has been sent.
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Money sent!
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Money sent.
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Is there anyone left who hasn't sent in their pledge?
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I have not sent my $25. I will not be able to send it till this Friday. If someone needs to take my spot to keep things moving that is fine.
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I will send in my $25 once I get paid on Wednesday.
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Haven't got the email for where to send my money.
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Haven't got the email for where to send my money.
PM B-3!
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sent!
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Payment sent.
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Are we fully fundicated yet for the rescupt and varient bits? If we are coming up short I can probably throw a little more money at the Flashman. ;)
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(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u287/LKY13_WRC/Flashman_zpszanlnsj5.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/LKY13_WRC/media/Flashman_zpszanlnsj5.jpg.html)
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Will I get yelled at if I asked for upper & lower legs in one piece, with separate feet?
The arms would in this case work well with separate upper & lower pieces, given good post-and-hole attachments.
My personal obsessions aside, that looks extremely sharp.
W.
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Wow, I really like that!
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You know, at the beginning of this thread I was wondering why we were resculpting the Flashman. Having now seen the orthos of this, I am glad it has been done. Looking Damn good.
Edited due to autocorrect
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You know, at the beginning of this thread I was wondering why we werer resulting the Flashman. Having now seen the of this, I am glad it has been done. Looking Damon good.
THIS!
is exactly what I have been going through with this entire fan funding process!
From "meh, I'll kick in and support the community..." to "how many of the inferior sculpt will I have to replace now?"
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(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u287/LKY13_WRC/Flashman_zpszanlnsj5.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/LKY13_WRC/media/Flashman_zpszanlnsj5.jpg.html)
This looks fantastic. I am especially a fan of how the legs are turning out.
My one suggestion would be to make the connector between the shoulders and gun pods a little bit less squared off. The original illustration makes it look like they are ball jointed, allowing for a lot of flexibility in how it holds the guns. The arrangement in your (excellent) ortho looks like it would hold them pretty rigidly at right angles to the body.
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Looks good to me as is. I'm supper pumped to see this completed. Is Speck back from vacation yet? I'm missing his presence on the boards.
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I'm guessing were looking at Upper Legs, Lower legs and Feet, Body, shoulders and arms. Maybe about nine parts? This is going on the various shades of the drawing of course. I do like how it will look. I like the Parade Ground look or the stand and fire look myself. To many pieces just means to many weak points to be broken when someone picks it up to look at it.
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Looks good to me as is. I'm supper pumped to see this completed. Is Speck back from vacation yet? I'm missing his presence on the boards.
speck is back from his summer vacation (I still get the image of the Griswolds driving across America ;D ) but I think that IWM might be a little bit snowed at the moment preparing for GenCon . . .
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Feels like it needs to be "wider" from the side view. The top is very thin in proportion to the legs.
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The orthos make it look very wasp-waisted. Lower torso is only as wide as a leg whereas the existing art shows it wider. With the arms as the are, there's plenty of room to expand.
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Is this paid for or do we still need some funding?
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The total for the Flashman and variants is $1000 ($800 Mech $200 Variant bits).
The following Fundicators have Fundicated:
jimdigris - $300.00
Haku - $75.00
Klarg1 - $50.00
Abou - $50.00
Mdauben - $50.00
Jal Phoenix - $150.00
ph234r - $25.00
Probable Koz - $25.00
Stormlion1 - $50.00
Spaceman - $25.00
Savage Coyote - $25.00
Flech - $100.00
Beachhead1985 - $50.00
Baron Redskull - $25..00
Fundication is complete!
I'll compile everything and get it over to Speck ASAP!
Thanks! :D
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Stormnion1, heh I kind of like that. Stormneon would be hilarious. I may have to name a Dropship that for the campaign I'm running.
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How about Stormonion, they kinda look like onions. :D
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How about Stormonion, they kinda look like onions. :D
I would have to paint it just right... ;)
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Yep lotsa layers... :D
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Flashman Fundicator list has been sent to Speck!
Thanks everyone! O0
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Flashman Fundicator list has been sent to Speck!
Thanks everyone! O0
I will get the credit vouchers sent out by this weekend.
I am back from vacation, just been busy with getting ready for Historicon next week and then Gen Con not long after that. Hoping to post some announcements here soon........
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I will get the credit vouchers sent out by this weekend.
Did the credit vouchers go out yet? No rush, I just want to be sure mine didn't get caught in my spam filter or something. 8)
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Did the credit vouchers go out yet? No rush, I just want to be sure mine didn't get caught in my spam filter or something. 8)
Not yet, got tied up with other work and getting ready for Historicon. Going to send out the vouchers next week.
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Thanks, Speck! :)
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Thanks, Speck! :)
Speck is the man, he will get it done.
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Vouchers go out yet? I delayed my June order to put the funds here. Going to have to wait until after Gencon now, but then I can just combine it with my August order. I'd like to get the voucher before I order, though.
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Vouchers go out yet? I delayed my June order to put the funds here. Going to have to wait until after Gencon now, but then I can just combine it with my August order. I'd like to get the voucher before I order, though.
I tried to get them out before I left for Cincinnati but just did not happen. Will send them when I am home after gencon.
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(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_image3_1.jpeg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/image3_1.jpeg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_image3.jpeg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/image3.jpeg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_image2_1.jpeg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/image2_1.jpeg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_photo6_1.jpg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/photo6_1.jpg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_photo6.jpg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/photo6.jpg.html) This is what I have so far, all that's left is the variant parts.
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That looks really good!
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I think it's looking good. I just wish I could make out some of the details on the black section better. Still looks 1000 times better than the previous sculpt. (No disrespect to the maker of the previous sculpt)
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I like it! Only thing that seems off is the arms look almost too bulbous. Maybe some detail to smooth it out. But like Baron said. Heads and tails above the original.
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2 questions.
1. credit vouchers?
2. I was looking over the preview pics again and I feel like the arms are splayed out to the side instead of pointing straight forward? I can't tell from the picture, but do the lower arms attach to the upper arms with a ball and socket joint?
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(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_image3_1.jpeg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/image3_1.jpeg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_image3.jpeg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/image3.jpeg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_image2_1.jpeg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/image2_1.jpeg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_photo6_1.jpg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/photo6_1.jpg.html)(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy11/ysgryphon/th_photo6.jpg) (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/ysgryphon/media/photo6.jpg.html) This is what I have so far, all that's left is the variant parts.
Dang! I like that!
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B-3, what materials do you use in your sculpts?
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Depends on the design. Mostly styrene, brown and green putties and force of will. :D
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Do you milliput or some other brand? What brand of putty do you find works best?
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Do you milliput or some other brand? What brand of putty do you find works best?
Based on his description, I'm guessing B-3 means "Brown Stuff" and "Green Stuff", which are both two part putties, ultimately made by Polymeric Systems, but sold under a ton of other brands, at various prices. Green stuff, especially, is very common in the miniatures industry.
I usually hear Milliput referred to by it's brand name, rather than a color nickname. It seems to be less common. I am told, by reliable sources, that it has very different texture and working properties compared to green stuff. (I think Milliput is more crumbly, whereas GS tends to stick together and stretch or deform.)
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Yep, Polymeric G/B.
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Yep, Polymeric G/B.
...and just a hint of Magic! :D
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BLACK Magic of course. O0 I use the green for filling since it tends to expand a bit after application and brown for embossed details, corners and flat surfaces since it files really crisply with a fine file.
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Thank you! That's exactly the kind of information I am looking for.
Have you considered doing a couple of sculpting tutorials?
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Happy to help! I don't have time to teach others to sculpt, too busy learning how myself. :D
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Well, your work is inspiring and if you ever decide to do a tutorial it would be most welcome.
Do you print the orthos at scale and use those as your template?
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Yes, I do print the orthos at scale and use them as my template, easiest most precise way to do it.
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However you do it, it's amazing.
I frankly went into this one just thinking I'll help out the community and be done with it; totally happy with the current sculpt and now, well I'll just have to replace and sell off the four Flashmen I have now.
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Variant Parts! :D I will get these and the main parts molded and cast for delivery to IWM early next week.
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Glad I was a part of the funding for this. O0
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@B-3; Are you just doing insert plates or completely different Torsos?
Heavyguard
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Insert plates. O0
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My biggest dislike of the original Flashman sculpt was the lack of elbow articulation on the arms. The pics showing the new arms look fantastic and I can't wait to pick up a couple of these new Flashman.
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Articulatus maximus! :D
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just checking - did the vouchers for this get sent out?
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If they have, I haven't received mine yet.
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just checking - did the vouchers for this get sent out?
Still waiting, although in all fairness Speck has been super busy the last couple weeks.
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I am finally caught up from my backlog of emails and side projects. So tomorrow I will finally send out the Flashman credit vouchers, I thought I could have done it while I was at my in-laws over the weekend but that did not happen.
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Consider yourself lucky! My inlaws are staying with US for a MONTH!!! There's no escaping them!
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Credit Vouchers have been sent, sorry about the delay
Consider yourself lucky! My inlaws are staying with US for a MONTH!!! There's no escaping them!
Have fun with that...LOL
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Credit Vouchers have been sent, sorry about the delay
Thanks, Speck. I've already gone and used mine!
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Credit Vouchers have been sent, sorry about the delay
Thanks, Speck! Got mine. O0
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OK molded, cast n heading for IWM. 10 pieces: Torso, left leg with hips attached, right leg, R/L shoulders, R/L lower Arms, Upper Arm Part/Weapon Sprue x2 and Variant Parts Sprue.
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Yeah I know there are two different Arm weapons... :D
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Voucher *tick*
Sweet mini *tick*
Mini release [watch]
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Wow! That looks amazing! I've never been a fan of the original design, but that is beautiful! Bravo, sir, bravo!!!
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That pose is fantastic. I like how it looks like it's wading into battle. Now I really can't wait to get one. Between the Highlander, Flashman, and Gun, 4th quarter releases can't get here soon enough.
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Behrle, can you tell us what kind of joints the elbows are? I'm curious how posable the lower arm positions will be.
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It looks leaps and bounds better than the original! O0
As a closet WYSIWYG player from other mini games, this model is awesome! :D
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Arms are three pieces: Shoulder, Upper Arm and Lower Arm. The shoulder has a ball and socket joint that fits into the torso and will rotate 360*. It has a socket that the Upper arm fits into that will allow at least 180* or more of rotation depending on the shoulder position. The Lower Arm has a pin and socket joint in it that will allow 360* of rotation depending on the position of the two other Arm pieces. In other words LOTS of range of motion throughout. O0
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This is a massive success. I'm really looking forward to grabbing a few!
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Showed the pic to the group today. They were very impressed at the new Flashman.
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Looking really good Berhle O0
I look forward to get one for myself and to being able to stock it for sale.
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BLACK Magic of course. O0
Every new sculpt requires the ritual sacrifice of a 3rd Ed plastic Unseen ...
W :D
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Every new sculpt requires the ritual sacrifice of a 3rd Ed plastic Unseen ...
W :D
suddenly, though, it doesn't seem like to much of a sacrifice considering what is in the works :P
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Arms are three pieces: Shoulder, Upper Arm and Lower Arm. The shoulder has a ball and socket joint that fits into the torso and will rotate 360*. It has a socket that the Upper arm fits into that will allow at least 180* or more of rotation depending on the shoulder position. The Lower Arm has a pin and socket joint in it that will allow 360* of rotation depending on the position of the two other Arm pieces. In other words LOTS of range of motion throughout. O0
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Thanks! O0
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Is it scary that I can see potential for magnetized arms with the new Flashman?
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You can do the waist too! O0
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While I'm STILL against Resculpting ANY existing mini, and I'll never Vote for OR help fund one, I have to admit that I LOVE what Behrle has done with the Flashman and Highlander! [drool] I'll be buying a pair of each once they hit release! ;)
AMAZING work sir! O0 [applause] [applause] [applause]
Now get busy sculpting the Reimaged Classics, ESPECIALLY the Thunderbolt! [whipit] [whipit] :Jumpy:
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Thanks! So much to do SO little time. I seriously doubt the T-bolt will get a resculpt. Whatsamatter with it anyhow???
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There are currently EIGHT Thunderbolt minis of various variants. I don't care to see another.
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Thanks! So much to do SO little time. I seriously doubt the T-bolt will get a resculpt. Whatsamatter with it anyhow???
NOTHING! Especially the Primitive! O0
I'm talking about the Reimaged Classics, aka the Formerly Unseen! NOT resculpting a Project Phoenix/Reseen T-Bolt! I LOVE the Primitive T-Bolt, but I fell in Love with the "Unseen" T-Bolt back in '86, and it is STILL my Favorite! {>{> I can't wait to see how they Reimage it like they have the WHM, MAD and GRF! [drool]
There are currently EIGHT Thunderbolt minis of various variants. I don't care to see another.
Counting 3 Fan Sculpts and the T IIC, I currently have 11 different T-Bolt mini sculpts. I also own the -9NAIS Prototype that was painted (and maybe Created by?) CaptainoftheWatch. All combined, I own 49+ T-Bolt minis!
You can NEVER have "Too Many" T-Bolt sculpts!! [drool]
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Seyla! O0
I am looking forward to the arrival of the "classic" replacement for the unseen Thud. This will help me to be able to field a company of T-bolts with an individual sculpt for each unit with minimal doubling up (may have to draft in a couple of Thor/Summoners as proxies).
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There are currently EIGHT Thunderbolt minis of various variants. I don't care to see another.
Four more, and you can field an entire company of different, yet hauntingly familiar T-Bolts. :D
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We have a few other mechs that need sculpts before we get another rehash of the T-Bolt I think.
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Incredible work!
I Got my voucher too!
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Thanks! So much to do SO little time. I seriously doubt the T-bolt will get a resculpt. Whatsamatter with it anyhow???
Sorry B3, the Reseen Thud is, IMHO, sub-optimal in terms of assembly by "average Joes". The quality of the parts if great, but ... not for the faint-hearted.
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Sorry B3, the Reseen Thud is, IMHO, sub-optimal in terms of assembly by "average Joes". The quality of the parts if great, but ... not for the faint-hearted.
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This is my issue with some of the newer sculpts, to many parts. Not saying they do not look nice when put together but it is the putting together that is the issue.
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To many parts equal too many weak points.
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Sorry B3, the Reseen Thud is, IMHO, sub-optimal in terms of assembly by "average Joes". The quality of the parts if great, but ... not for the faint-hearted.
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I gotta get me one of these things, just for the challenge!
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We have a few other mechs that need sculpts before we get another rehash of the T-Bolt I think.
I take it you DON'T want a mini of the newly Reimaged Warhammer or Marauder either? ???
Fine. More for ME then! O0 [cheers]
The Formerly Unseen Classics ARE coming back, and they WILL be making minis of them. Complain all you want, but a LOT of us won't. {>{> :Jumpy:
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I take it you DON'T want a mini of the newly Reimaged Warhammer or Marauder either? ???
Fine. More for ME then! O0 [cheers]
The Formerly Unseen Classics ARE coming back, and they WILL be making minis of them. Complain all you want, but a LOT of us won't. {>{> :Jumpy:
I do, but there not priority. We do have plenty of designs that need there sculpts though and we have quite a few 'doubles' that we really don't need. I mean really, how many T-Bolts again? Eight? But I think its time to get all the designs that need sculpts done first. We can squeeze a resculpt Unseen in every now and then.
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I do, but there not priority. We do have plenty of designs that need there sculpts though and we have quite a few 'doubles' that we really don't need. I mean really, how many T-Bolts again? Eight? But I think its time to get all the designs that need sculpts done first. We can squeeze a resculpt Unseen in every now and then.
I agree with you Mostly. I neither voted for NOR helped fund the Resculpt Flashman or Highlander, for example. While I DO like what's been done with them (and WILL be buying 2 of each eventually), I didn't see the Need for either one to be resculpted. Someone here (I want to say Jal Phoenix?) has a list of all the various BT products ever made, including Fan-made items, and it has NUMEROUS resculpted 'Mechs listed. Among the worst offenders are the Atlas and Blood Asp, with TWO "Resculpts" apiece! :o Then again, we've also got the "Orion Series", Orion (20-848), Orion MW3 (10-845), Orion Resculpt (20-397), and Orion Resculpt w/Kerensky (BC-002), though I'm wondering if the last 2 are the same mini, but 1 comes with the tiny Kerensky figure? ???
Of those 8 T-Bolts, 1 is the "Unseen", and another is the IIC sculpt, which you could slap any other name on for all that it resembles a T-Bolt. #P However, I'm sure I'm not the only "Old Fart" on this site that started with the old "Unseen" designs, and is ECSTATIC to have them back. The recent teaser pic before Gen Con, of the Wolf's Dragoons/Black Widow Warhammer, Marauder and Griffin generated a LOT of "Buzz" on this site alone. While I'm sure there are a few people that don't care about them, I'm equally sure they are VASTLY outnumbered by the rest of us. Having the reimaged Classics back is something a LOT of us have wanted for YEARS, and we're not going to stop bugging CGL and IWM for minis now that CGL has got the ball rolling on the new images. [whipit] [whipit]
To all those that have been telling us Old Farts to "Just Let Go" of the Unseens, and "Just Move On", I can say, "OK. NOW I will.". :D
Oh, and also: "Nyah! I got them back!" ;D {>{>
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OK molded, cast n heading for IWM. 10 pieces: Torso, left leg with hips attached, right leg, R/L shoulders, R/L lower Arms, Upper Arm Part/Weapon Sprue x2 and Variant Parts Sprue.
Yes! Loving the new sculpt. The arms look 100% better than the old stiff-arm miniature. Now, I just need to figure out how many to order... ;)
However, I'm sure I'm not the only "Old Fart" on this site that started with the old "Unseen" designs, and is ECSTATIC to have them back. The recent teaser pic before Gen Con, of the Wolf's Dragoons/Black Widow Warhammer, Marauder and Griffin generated a LOT of "Buzz" on this site alone. While I'm sure there are a few people that don't care about them, I'm equally sure they are VASTLY outnumbered by the rest of us. Having the reimaged Classics back is something a LOT of us have wanted for YEARS, and we're not going to stop bugging CGL and IWM for minis now that CGL has got the ball rolling on the new images. [whipit] [whipit]
Another "Old Fart" here! I love many of the new miniatures coming out of IWM, and there are certainly a number of new designs that I am really looking forward to buying once IWM can get them sculpted.
However, my love will always belong to the old, original "unseen". I've got at least one each of the original unseen sculpts, likewise the newer Operation Phoenix sculpts, and of course there are all the updated and "primative" versions that have come out since. However the teaser we've seen of these new "reimagined" original 3025 mechs has blown me away and I'll be waiting very impatiently to throw large fistfull's of money at Catalyst for multiple sets of these new versions of the old mechs and I won't be satisfied until I get them!!! ;D
(Likewise, I won't be satisfied until I can buy the new LAM miniatures, either. Nudge-nudge, wink-wink!) [whipit]
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I do want a new Maruader myself for my Comstar unit. But we do have sculpts of older stuff that needs doing.
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Thanks everyone! I'm glad you like what we came up with. The legs were originally three pieces each with a separate hip piece. IWM asked me to combine them into two pieces to make production easier on their end. Expect future Mechs to have similar leg arrangements and fewer parts where possible. O0
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Where can I see these new "unreseen" 3025 designs?
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Here you go:
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Great Thanks! O0
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I get that the sculpts with multiple parts are difficult to pose, but that's part of the fun. Poseability allows you to field a couple of the same mech and not look ridiculous. Also makes kitbashing easier. I don't agree (though I respect your right to think) that simpler is better.
A pin vice and some paperclips may be essential, but the sense of achievement is always worth those purchases...
As for the Resculpt issue. I think the 'reimagined classics' are a special case... As some of the other old fogeys above said, these models (of their progenitors) were the beating heart of the Battletech universe. They can't come back soon enough for me!
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I get that the sculpts with multiple parts are difficult to pose, but that's part of the fun. Poseability allows you to field a couple of the same mech and not look ridiculous. Also makes kitbashing easier. I don't agree (though I respect your right to think) that simpler is better.
A pin vice and some paperclips may be essential, but the sense of achievement is always worth those purchases...
As for the Resculpt issue. I think the 'reimagined classics' are a special case... As some of the other old fogeys above said, these models (of their progenitors) were the beating heart of the Battletech universe. They can't come back soon enough for me!
I can see this if you want to do any of that. I do not, I want simple easy to do, to get on the table. But that may just be me, I like one piece and have no issue with every one looking the same.
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I started out building model kits as a kid, so the more pieces the better for me. I was asked to simplify the design by IWM to help speed production of molds and production of copies. More pieces slows everything down.
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I can see the case for both - one piece minis so that you can field a mini almost straight out of the blister and multi-piece for poseability and customising/configuring.
It is why I think that CGL/IWM are onto a winner with plastic alpha strike lance boxes and the new IWM pewter releases.
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I'm in the less piece the better camp myself. I don't own a pin vice, nor do I want one. What I want is to open it up, clean it up, paint it and use it. The KISS Method here.
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I'm for whichever will sell better. Let's face it, there are more amateurs than professionals and amateurs want simplicity. A professional would love more pieces, yet it's the professional who has the skills to just cut his mini up and reassemble it as he chooses. I find that to be a better option than intimidating all the amateurs from buying because they pick up a blister and see not a mini but a pile of metal parts.
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I can see the case for both - one piece minis so that you can field a mini almost straight out of the blister and multi-piece for poseability and customising/configuring.
It is why I think that CGL/IWM are onto a winner with plastic alpha strike lance boxes and the new IWM pewter releases.
I can see the Logic here :)
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I'm for whichever will sell better. Let's face it, there are more amateurs than professionals and amateurs want simplicity. A professional would love more pieces, yet it's the professional who has the skills to just cut his mini up and reassemble it as he chooses. I find that to be a better option than intimidating all the amateurs from buying because they pick up a blister and see not a mini but a pile of metal parts.
Same here.
Some time a year or so ago, someone suggested IWM should make 2 of every 'Mech, one multi-piece for the people with more "Advanced" assembly skills, then a simpler version for the rest of us. Except for that doubling the cost of the Master, as well as the required storage space, that sounds like a "Good Idea" on paper. ::) In practice though? Not Happening.
For now, the Sculpting Artists like Behrle will just have to stick to giving us a "Semi-Happy Medium". ;D
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Let's face it, there are more amateurs than professionals and amateurs want simplicity.
I think this is a bit of an oversimplification, and honestly I think a vanishingly small percentage of miniatures are sold to true "professionals" (that is, people who assemble and paint miniatures for money). I don't doubt there are plenty of advanced "amateurs" who want the posability of multi-part castings, of course. The talk on the forums makes that clear. On the other hand, there are some "amateurs" both beginners and experienced who are not that bothered about posability, as long as the original sculpt isn't produced in some goofy pose (which was more a problem with some of the older RP era stuff than the newer sculpts).
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All I know is for every piece that's added it's one more point of failure for a miniature.
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All I know is for every piece that's added it's one more point of failure for a miniature.
If you really feel that way, you should be arguing for all of them to be smaller, like Battleforce scale.
Regardless of poseability, it is much easier to make a one-piece casting for a smaller mini than for a bigger one, because the undercuts in the mold are proportionately smaller, and there is less chance of cracks or pitting during the cooling of a large chunk of metal.
As a bonus, they'd be cheaper too.
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If you really feel that way, you should be arguing for all of them to be smaller, like Battleforce scale.
Regardless of poseability, it is much easier to make a one-piece casting for a smaller mini than for a bigger one, because the undercuts in the mold are proportionately smaller, and there is less chance of cracks or pitting during the cooling of a large chunk of metal.
As a bonus, they'd be cheaper too.
Well yes. But I like bigger mini's. But honestly a figure needs to be at least seven pieces or less. If it takes four pieces just to make a single leg there is a problem. I mean seriously, how many mini's do we have where the body needs like five pieces to assemble?
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something needed to happen to the Flashman's arms for a LONG time, this new sculpt is PERFECT
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Being ambitious is fine, the real problem is that multi-component miniatures become more and more annoying to work with when they're cast in metal. They're too heavy to stand on their own so they have to be pinned together, which is an exhaustive process with, for example, the Dragon II. If the same model was cast in a lighter material like resin it would no longer be an issue. More advanced models and greater detail is a good thing but there's only so much you can do and so far you can go with pewter before you start hitting the point where it is no longer worth the effort or cost compared to just shifting over to something else.
Also, this isn't a new phenomenon. Try putting an Owens together straight out of the blister. The whole mold is bent and really annoying to work with.
On topic, I never liked the Flashman but I am almost tempted by this rework. I'll consider it for my Blakists once I see a few painted examples.
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Interestingly enough, the Owens is one of the few minis with feet molded into the base that I would be willing to buy a second one. It was very easy to put together and I didn't have any problems with mine. Most others of that feet/base type I avoid like the plague. Maybe I got a strange one but I found that gluing the front leg and letting it sit overnight allowed the rest of the mini to go together very easily the next night. (I just put mine together three weeks ago. Black Lanners and Mad Cat IIIs are the other end of that spectrum.)
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I wasn't a part of this effort, but I have to tip my hat to B3, and everyone else who was a part of this effort. I picked up a Flashman yesterday, and it is absolutely gorgeous! I'm already checking my minis collection against all the SLDF RATs I can find, so I can build a full cavalry group around this bad boy!
(Also, I'm really tempted to find some Polish cavalry wings to put on it...)
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:)
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I wasn't a part of this effort, but I have to tip my hat to B3, and everyone else who was a part of this effort. I picked up a Flashman yesterday, and it is absolutely gorgeous! I'm already checking my minis collection against all the SLDF RATs I can find, so I can build a full cavalry group around this bad boy!
(Also, I'm really tempted to find some Polish cavalry wings to put on it...)
Wait? What? The resculpt is out?
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I don't mind if a mini has a lot of pieces, particularly for BattleTech. The game is so small scale that having one more 'mech is a big deal. I will grant that to build up a few options quickly the plastics are good, but once you have about a battalion ready you don't need to add more mechs all that quickly.
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Wait? What? The resculpt is out?
Both it and the Highlander. :)
(Remember, things go to physical stores a while before they get to the online store.)
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Both it and the Highlander. :)
(Remember, things go to physical stores a while before they get to the online store.)
Yeah I remember. Its frustrating. Not exactly a lot of Brick & Mortar stores in South Jersey left.
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Brick and mortar stores with an online presence also have 'em. For example, I've seen the new Highlander on Amazon. :)
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Brick and mortar stores with an online presence also have 'em. For example, I've seen the new Highlander on Amazon. :)
True, but they murder you with S+H.
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Really? I like to support IWM directly whenever possible, but shipping is exactly what makes me contemplate going other routes. After all, I like to buy minis more often than placing a bulk order once every few years allows for...
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Really? I like to support IWM directly whenever possible, but shipping is exactly what makes me contemplate going other routes. After all, I like to buy minis more often than placing a bulk order once every few years allows for...
Generally I find IWM's easier on the shipping long term. I generally order about 4-5 mini's at a time every few months. At most shipping is about 10 bucks. Amazon tends to hit you four bucks shipping each mini. Especially if from different sellers.
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I am going to have to find some money and buy a bunch of the old highlanders before the go to archive.
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I just buy US$250+ each order to get the free shipping internationally ^-^ Annoys the wife no end and then does my head in when it arrives and I look at everything I have to paint. Need more painting time...
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I ordered the old AND new Highlanders from Derek a while back, along with a pair of the new Flashman minis, for 20% off each one. O0 He's always got decent shipping also. Well, to SE Missouri anyway. :D Try him at Aries Games and Miniatures and see what you think. He's planning on doing a "Remodel" of his site, but I don't know that he's implemented it yet, so there shouldn't be any problems. I can't access his store because of my pokey dialup, so we handle everything via email. :D Not perfect, but it works.
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I ordered the old AND new Highlanders from Derek a while back, along with a pair of the new Flashman minis, for 20% off each one. O0 He's always got decent shipping also. Well, to SE Missouri anyway. :D Try him at Aries Games and Miniatures and see what you think. He's planning on doing a "Remodel" of his site, but I don't know that he's implemented it yet, so there shouldn't be any problems. I can't access his store because of my pokey dialup, so we handle everything via email. :D Not perfect, but it works.
Thank you bud! I always appreciate referrals.
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Locked thread since Flashman has been released. Variants to follow soon.