Author Topic: Top Gun: Mavrick (Read 8154 times)

Daryk · « **Reply #30 on:** 20 July 2019, 10:42:15 »

I'm sure there will be some hand waving about a time in service waiver.

Øystein · « **Reply #31 on:** 20 July 2019, 11:12:09 »

Gods, who gives a crap about how long Maverick has been in service? It's a MOVIE, they can make up anything they want.

The only realism I expect in the movie is the flight scenes (as they're real, and not CGI). And I intent to enjoy the ****** out of it, and don't give a shit about how realistic Maverick being active duty is or not.

Scotty · « **Reply #32 on:** 20 July 2019, 11:13:08 »

Quote from: Øystein on 20 July 2019, 11:12:09

Gods, who gives a crap about how long Maverick has been in service?

This is the correct response.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #33 on:** 20 July 2019, 11:24:55 »

Oh, I meant it a bit as a joke. I look forward to seeing what reasons they come up with it.

Heck, Top Gun is part of the reason I love the F-14. GI Joe's Striker jet is another- and I got THAT b/c it was the available Joe plane.

Wonder if they rented the Blue Angels team for some of the flying?

Scotty · « **Reply #34 on:** 20 July 2019, 11:26:06 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 20 July 2019, 11:24:55

I look forward to seeing what reasons they come up with it.

They shouldn't. It's a meaningless detail.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #35 on:** 20 July 2019, 11:39:01 »

Really? b/c that 50+ year old pilot is not going to have the reflexes or cardio-vascular system to push the performance of a fighter jet to the edge like a younger pilot.

Its also a trope I expect them to include- tired old warrior fighting one last time because it matters.

Scotty · « **Reply #36 on:** 20 July 2019, 11:43:31 »

Of course that part is important.

The part that doesn't matter is literally anything about a Time in Service waiver.

Ruger · « **Reply #37 on:** 20 July 2019, 12:01:42 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 20 July 2019, 11:39:01

Really? b/c that 50+ year old pilot is not going to have the reflexes or cardio-vascular system to push the performance of a fighter jet to the edge like a younger pilot.

Its also a trope I expect them to include- tired old warrior fighting one last time because it matters.

I submit Commander Tim “Scorch” Kurtz:

https://fightersweep.com/1370/us-navys-oldest-active-fighter-pilot-retires/

And Squadron Leader Phillip Frawley:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/07/19/australia/australia-oldest-fighter-pilot-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Ruger

GreyWolfActual · « **Reply #38 on:** 20 July 2019, 12:01:53 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 20 July 2019, 11:39:01

tired old warrior fighting one last time because it matters.

No, it doesn’t. If they decided to make a Top Gun 3 with Mav in it even after showing his plane blow up, ejector sheet catch on fire, and his body sink into the Marianas Trench, then they would. Nobody is truly dead in fiction.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #39 on:** 20 July 2019, 12:11:15 »

You misunderstood that . . . the trope is that he is going to fight one more time, because this time it matters more than ever before. We get that messaging in a lot of things, but . . . its like the Rocky movies . . . no matter how old Rocky/Sly has gotten, you go to Rocky VI knowing he is going to fight. Heck, after 4 IIRC there were all sorts of jokes about 'Rocky XX- Even in a wheelchair Rocky can be dangerous in the ring.'

Ruger · « **Reply #40 on:** 20 July 2019, 14:31:33 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 20 July 2019, 12:11:15

You misunderstood that . . . the trope is that he is going to fight one more time, because this time it matters more than ever before. We get that messaging in a lot of things, but . . . its like the Rocky movies . . . no matter how old Rocky/Sly has gotten, you go to Rocky VI knowing he is going to fight. Heck, after 4 IIRC there were all sorts of jokes about 'Rocky XX- Even in a wheelchair Rocky can be dangerous in the ring.'

Don't forget about "Rocky Five...THOUSAND" in Spaceballs...

Ruger

I am Belch II · « **Reply #41 on:** 20 July 2019, 16:56:29 »

That aft shot of Tom Cruise launching off the carrier, that was him in the shot probably sitting in the 2nd seat on a FA18. He does like doing all of his own stunts, and he is a pilot, and there was some shenanigans going on during the filming on the carrier.

garhkal · « **Reply #42 on:** 21 July 2019, 01:13:57 »

Quote from: Colt Ward on 20 July 2019, 10:04:38

Up Or Out . . .

Maverick would be piloting a desk or a lawn chair by now since its over 30 years since he was a carrier pilot.

Yup. As a navy guy, he'd have had to make admiral to have stayed in.. At least IMO 2 star.

Quote from: Øystein on 20 July 2019, 11:12:09

Gods, who gives a crap about how long Maverick has been in service? It's a MOVIE, they can make up anything they want.

You may not, but for many of us who WERE in the military, things like that do matter..

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #43 on:** 21 July 2019, 03:43:05 »

I'm personally a little annoyed at "the only person to make three kills in 40 years" because it completely ignores several pilots in 1991 that also reached that score during the first Gulf War. If it were "the only Navy flier" or "in one engagement" or other qualifiers it'd be accurate, but as it is it feels a little...eh, I dunno, ignoring real accomplishments to make your characters sound cooler always itched me wrong.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #44 on:** 21 July 2019, 04:05:22 »

I'm assuming he is referencing doing it in a single dog-fight.

It is a trailer after all, we don't see the entire scene.

Either way, we know he's talking about the end of TG1 where he took out 3 Migs in 1 a couple minutes.

Ruger · « **Reply #45 on:** 21 July 2019, 05:23:12 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 21 July 2019, 03:43:05

I'm personally a little annoyed at "the only person to make three kills in 40 years" because it completely ignores several pilots in 1991 that also reached that score during the first Gulf War. If it were "the only Navy flier" or "in one engagement" or other qualifiers it'd be accurate, but as it is it feels a little...eh, I dunno, ignoring real accomplishments to make your characters sound cooler always itched me wrong.

Who says the Gulf Wars ever happened in the Top Gun universe?

Ruger

Cache · « **Reply #46 on:** 21 July 2019, 11:08:05 »

Quote from: Scotty on 20 July 2019, 11:26:06

They shouldn't. It's a meaningless detail.

Could be hilarious, though.

Found a meme for this but won't post because I don't want a warning. But the gist of it is...

"You should be a two-star admiral by now. Yet here you are a captain. Why is that?"
*picture of male genitalia written in sky by navy pilots*

Scotty · « **Reply #47 on:** 21 July 2019, 12:55:39 »

Quote from: garhkal on 21 July 2019, 01:13:57

You may not, but for many of us who WERE in the military, things like that do matter..

This is a work of fiction. I served too; this detail is utterly meaningless in every scope or interpretation. That's not how it works in the real military, we get it. If you want an accurate recreation of the Navy's bureaucratic process I don't think a blockbuster is where you're going to get it.

You may as well complain about not seeing morning PRT because no one said anything about having a profile.

dgorsman · « **Reply #48 on:** 21 July 2019, 13:54:17 »

I suspect that the inconsistencies are not just for the sake of the story, but also something for the veterans to chuckle about with their friends.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #49 on:** 21 July 2019, 20:01:46 »

The Top Gun Universe......never heard that on until now.
So many universes.

Daryk · « **Reply #50 on:** 23 July 2019, 04:11:12 »

Apparently, the Navy thought the question was interesting enough to actually answer: https://news.usni.org/2019/07/22/navy-answers-how-a-57-year-old-maverick-could-still-feel-the-need-for-speed

Ursus Maior · « **Reply #51 on:** 23 July 2019, 05:44:46 »

Well, it's free PR and I bet a couple of USN aviators would actually like to know. ;)

Fat Guy · « **Reply #52 on:** 23 July 2019, 07:56:32 »

Quote from: Daryk on 23 July 2019, 04:11:12

Apparently, the Navy thought the question was interesting enough to actually answer: https://news.usni.org/2019/07/22/navy-answers-how-a-57-year-old-maverick-could-still-feel-the-need-for-speed

The real question is how did his career survive Tailhook? :D

I am Belch II · « **Reply #53 on:** 23 July 2019, 09:05:53 »

It seems like shows and movies like to keep people where they are at and never promote them.

With a look a Picard with his show coming out....he was a captain for 20 years before TNG, and was a Captain well after that for another 20 years.
Some people just like to be where they are at.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #54 on:** 23 July 2019, 09:16:39 »

Quote from: Fat Guy on 23 July 2019, 07:56:32

The real question is how did his career survive Tailhook? :D

Mostly intact, but he did lose that lovin' feelin'.

Daryk · « **Reply #55 on:** 23 July 2019, 15:53:47 »

Heck, I had to sign a page 2 that I wasn't there, and I wasn't even out of college yet!

Ogra_Chief · « **Reply #56 on:** 23 July 2019, 17:32:01 »

I'm actually looking forward to this, because the cinematography looks to be well done. Too much CGI makes for lazy movie making these days.

Bosefius · « **Reply #57 on:** 23 July 2019, 21:01:56 »

Quote from: Ursus Maior on 23 July 2019, 05:44:46

Well, it's free PR and I bet a couple of USN aviators would actually like to know. ;)

The Navy assisted in making the movie, they had people on set and had final cut on the rough final approval.

It's explained here, shipping with why Maverick is still in the Navy as a Captain. One explanation is that he has a separation from service, such as flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong.

https://taskandpurpose.com/why-maverick-is-still-a-captain-30-years-after-top-gun-according-to-the-navy

Bren · « **Reply #58 on:** 23 July 2019, 21:26:13 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 23 July 2019, 09:05:53

It seems like shows and movies like to keep people where they are at and never promote them.

With a look a Picard with his show coming out....he was a captain for 20 years before TNG, and was a Captain well after that for another 20 years.
Some people just like to be where they are at.

Maggie Simpson lovin' them diapers.

Ogra_Chief · « **Reply #59 on:** 23 July 2019, 21:37:19 »

Given the fallout from Arya Stark's grownup moment, even though the character and actor had aged commensurately, people don't like to have drastic changes to established expectations. Thus Maverick is still a Captain, safer choice, all things considered.