Exterminator stealth variants

[Empyrus]

The quintessential stealth 'Mech Exterminator never got a variant sporting Stealth Armor or Void Signature System. So i made some.
These are very quick variants patterned after the original EXT-4D, and the ComStar's EXT-4F and EXT-6CS.

First, the Stealth Armor variant, EXT-5L: Armor is replaced with Stealth Armor, AMS and its ammo are replaced with the Guardian ECM. Done. It is not special but it is extremely logical variant... or would've been, had the Capellans fielded the Exterminators in 3060s (no other faction had Stealth Armor at that time).

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Exterminator EXT-5L

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3065
Cost: 16 657 823 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 448

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 390 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64,8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97,2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Stealth Armor
Armament:
    1  LRM-10
    4  Medium Lasers
    1  Small Laser
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

Additional:


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6,50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             390                      23,00
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT                                         6,00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Stealth Armor                AV - 168                 10,50
    Armor Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           21       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           20       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           18       
                                             L/R Leg     15           19       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Lasers                              RA        6         2         2,00
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2,00
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1,50
LRM-10                                       LT        4         2         5,00
Small Laser                                  HD        1         1         0,50
@LRM-10 (12)                                 CT        -         1         1,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 13

The Word of Blake gets a Void Signature System-equipped variant. The EXT-5W is based on the EXT-4F. The MASC is replaced with Angel ECM suite and each arm has a Medium VSPL. The loss of mobility is an issue with such an over-engined unit but since this isn't an extensive rework, well... Should be deadly enough in ambushes anyhow.

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Exterminator EXT-5W

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 3075
Cost: 19 975 560 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 511

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 390 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64,8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97,2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  MML-7
    2  Medium VSPLs
    1  Angel ECM
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

Additional:


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3,50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 4 LT, 4 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             390                      23,00
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             12(24)                    2,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 208                 13,00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           29       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     15           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20       
                                             L/R Leg     15           30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium VSPL                                  RA        7         2         4,00
Medium VSPL                                  LA        7         2         4,00
Angel ECM                                    RT        0         2         2,00
MML-7                                        LT        4         4         4,50
@MML-7 (LRM) (17)                            RT        -         1         1,00
@MML-7 (SRM) (14)                            RT        -         1         1,00
Void Signature System                        *         10        7         0,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 8

* The Void Signature System occupies 1 slot in every location except the HD.


[Hellraiser]

Isn't the basic SLDF model "supposed" to have the Void Sig on it?? 

We didn't have stats for it back then but I thought the 4D was actually fluffed as using that model so I'd just add that directly to it.

[Empyrus]

Don't mix Null Sig and Void Sig. The EXT-4C had NSS and CLPS. The VSS functions differently despite being based on the former systems.

[Sabelkatten]

You could of course redesign it since, with the stealth systems now having actual rules, there's no reason for it to be overweight:

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Exterminator EXT-TRW

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/F-X-X-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 14 983 928 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 639

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64,8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97,2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    4  Medium Lasers
    2  LRM-5s
    1  Small Laser
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
    1  TAG
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      91 points                5,50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12,50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT                                         3,00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4,00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 176                 11,00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           27       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           22       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Small Laser                                  CT        1         1         0,50
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1,50
2 LRM-5s                                     RT        4         2         4,00
TAG                                          LT        0         1         1,00
2 Medium Lasers                              RA        6         2         2,00
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2,00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  HD        -         1         1,00
Null Signature System                        *         10        7         0,00
Chameleon LPS                                *         6         6         0,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 8

* The Null Signature System occupies 1 slot in every location except the HD.
* The Chameleon LPS occupies 1 slot in every location except the HD and CT.

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 16
6j         3       3       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ECM, STL, TAG, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

[Cyk0]

Talking about 55t exterminators... I never really liked the exterminator load-out for behind the enemy lines work.

Sure I get the LRM because long range would be useful (especially with the long range hit modifiers for your enemy) but with only one ton of ammo you would be running out on longer missions. ERPPC tenchology was top of the line back in those days and certainly something you would equip your royal commando units with

No TAG is also a really strange, calling in indirect fire is exactly how you want to destroy targets when you are outnumbered.

A small laser for close up work? Why not a flamer so you can fry infantry and create diversions.

Whats with the lack of fancy sensors or jammers, its supposed to be high tech and it should be useful behind enemy lines... so a BAP and ECM it is.

To top it op with the high tech theme I went with (for the time) fancy pulse lasers which will also be useful when using the jumpjets up close with the enemies

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Proper exterminator

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/F-X-X-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 13,695,929 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,711

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  ER PPC
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  Flamer
    1  TAG
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
    1  Beagle Active Probe
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      91 points                5.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             275                       8.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT                                   2.50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 2 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 176                 11.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           28       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           19       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     9            17       
                                             L/R Leg     13           23       

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Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flamer                                       HD        3         1         1.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1.50
Beagle Active Probe                          LT        0         2         1.50
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        RA        8         2         4.00
TAG                                          LA        0         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        3         7.00
Null Signature System                        *         10        7         0.00
Chameleon LPS                                *         6         6         0.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

* The Null Signature System occupies 1 slot in every location except the HD.
* The Chameleon LPS occupies 1 slot in every location except the HD and CT.

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 17
5j         3       3       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ECM, STL, TAG, PRB, RCN, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


[Empyrus]

Note that the Exterminator dates from 2630, and the Royal version something like 2735. The ER PPC was invented in 2750 pretty exactly, so it was never an option for earlier Exterminators.

[Cyk0]

Note that the Exterminator dates from 2630, and the Royal version something like 2735. The ER PPC was invented in 2750 pretty exactly, so it was never an option for earlier Exterminators.

Good observation consider it an upgrade for when they became available.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Trying this two separate ways. First, an EXT-4A that Kallon somehow managed to keep the Chameleon LPS system on (Null Signal is far too heat intensive for single heat sinks):

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 Exterminator EXT-4Ac
 3025 IS Heavy

Source: My Own Custom /
Type/Model: Exterminator EXT-4Ac
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3025
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 4, Experimental design

Mass: 65 tons
Chassis: Kallon X Standard
Power Plant: 325 Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Running Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 Standard Jump Jet
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Jump Jet Manufacturer: Northrup Nova Leap 30a Standard Jump Jets
Armor Type: Valiant Lamellor Standard Standard
Armament:
 1 Small Laser
 2 Medium Laser
 1 Medium Laser
 2 Medium Laser
 1 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Kallon Industries
 Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: System: Tek BattleCom
Targeting and Tracking System: Tek LOR T13d

   
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Type/Model:  Exterminator EXT-4Ac
Mass: 65 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.: 104 pts Standard               0      6.50
Engine:        325 Fusion                    6     23.50
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   5
Heat Sinks:     16 Single                    5      6.00
Gyro:                                        4      4.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H               8      0.00
Armor Factor:  168 Standard                  0     10.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9
   Center Torso:             21         21
   Center Torso (Rear):                  8
   L/R Side Torso:           15      20/20
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              8/8
   L/R Arm:                  10      18/18
   L/R Leg:                  15      19/19
 
Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits     Mass
---------------------------------------------------------
1 Small Laser            HD       1           1      0.50
2 Medium Laser           LA       6           2      2.00
1 Medium Laser           LT       3           1      1.00
2 Medium Laser           RA       6           2      2.00
1 Medium Laser           RT       3           1      1.00
1 Chameleon LPS          -        6           6         
5 Standard Jump Jets:    -        0           5      5.00
   (Jump Jet Loc: 1 CT,2 LT,2 RT)
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TOTALS:                          25           5     11.50
Crits and Tons Left:                         24             
 
Calculated Factors
Total Cost:        7,446,422 C-Bill
Battle Value (BV1):1318
Battle Value (BV2):1521 

[Giovanni Blasini]

OK, hear me out on these next two.

When Kallon revisited the Exterminator in 3007, there were no stealth systems in production, really.  Sure, they could try to recreate the Null Sig or Chameleon LPS, but the odds of success weren't good, as that would still be considered a near impossible task 50 years later.

What you could do in 3007, though, was use communications equipment, which give initiative bonuses, ECCM capability, ghost targeting, etc.  Not perfect, but not bad, right?  Yes, you lose the LRM-10 and machine gun to do it, but that actually helps in some ways with your durability, and you gain back a half-ton you can use to upgrade the small laser to a medium.  Just...watch your heat.

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Exterminator EXT-4Ae
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3007+
Tech Rating: D/C-E-D-D

Weight: 65 tons
BV: 1,296
Cost: 6,360,310 C-bills
Source: TRO 3050 - Succession Wars

Movement: 5/8/5
Engine: 325
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 104
Armor: 176/211
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               21     23   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                15     22   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 15     22   
Left Torso (rear)                  8   
Right Arm                  10     19   
Left Arm                   10     19   
Right Leg                  15     19   
Left Leg                   15     19   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   
Medium Laser   HD    3   

Equipment                         Loc 
---------------------------------------
Communications Equipment (7 ton)   LT 



Quirks
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Difficult to Maintain

Let's say, for sake of argument, that the communications gear gave the EXT-4A enough of a reason to continue to exist, despite the existence of the Wolverine it competed with, that it's still in production in 3025, when the Capellans debut EW equipment on the Raven and Cataphract.  You've been working on similar for the last 18 years, and judicious use of industrial espionage (it was the FWL Kallon branch that revisited the EXT-4A) got you samples you were able to reproduce and use on your Exterminator two years later.  EW equipment gives you continued ECM/ECCM capabilities, but also gets you active probe abilities that could be handy for your headhunting role, right?  Too bad that shiny new medium laser had to get dropped back to a small laser to get the required mass, right?

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Exterminator EXT-4Aew
Base Tech Level: Experimental (IS)
Level          Era
-------------------
Experimental    - 
Advanced      3027+
Standard        - 
Extinct       3046+
Tech Rating: D/X-F(F*)-E-F

Weight: 65 tons
BV: 1,314
Cost: 7,137,872 C-bills
Source: TRO 3050 - Succession Wars

Movement: 5/8/5
Engine: 325
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 104
Armor: 176/211
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               21     23   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                15     22   
Right Torso (rear)                 8   
Left Torso                 15     22   
Left Torso (rear)                  8   
Right Arm                  10     19   
Left Arm                   10     19   
Right Leg                  15     19   
Left Leg                   15     19   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   LA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   
Medium Laser   RA    3   
Small Laser    HD    1   

Equipment                          Loc 
----------------------------------------
Electronic Warfare (EW) Equipment   LT 



Quirks
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Difficult to Maintain

I know that neither of these are truly stealth but, for their era, they're really as close as you're going to get.

[Black_Knyght]

Isn't the basic SLDF model "supposed" to have the Void Sig on it?? 

We didn't have stats for it back then but I thought the 4D was actually fluffed as using that model so I'd just add that directly to it.

Fluff text read as the Exterminator originally having the Null Signature System, but there has never actually been an "official/canon" representation of THAT actually published. Only the "downgraded" and later ComStar & Wobblies refitted/variant versions, but no true version of what the fluff text claims.

[TigerShark]

Fluff text read as the Exterminator originally having the Null Signature System, but there has never actually been an "official/canon" representation of THAT actually published. Only the "downgraded" and later ComStar & Wobblies refitted/variant versions, but no true version of what the fluff text claims.

The EXT-4C record sheet was published in Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrade Unabridged: Clan/Star League. It's really no different than the EXT-4D, except the Null-Signature System and Chameleon Light Polarization Shield are inserted. All other systems are in the same placement.

[TigerShark]

Made this one as a "duh!" version of what the EXT-4D should have been. The original claims to have had some stealth capabilities, and there was never a mention of the downgraded, featureless -4D in the original text. So I subbed out the worthless AMS and ammo for a Guardian ECM suite, which could be set to ghost targets or ECM, hiding its presence. This would be useful as an SLDF model, while the true -4C would be for the HAF exclusively. The generic -4D, a stripped-down model, would be sold to the Member States after 2690 as part of the "trickle-down" agreement.

EXT-4C: HAF (2630)
EXT-4D: SLDF/Member States (2690)
EXT-4Db: HAF upgrade made after enhancement program
EXT-4E: SLDF (2630)

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Exterminator EXT-4E

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E-A
Production Year: 2630
Cost: 15,964,823 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,428

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 390 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  LRM-10
    4  Medium Lasers
    1  Small Laser
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

Additional:


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             390                      23.00
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT                                         6.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 168                 10.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           21       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           20       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           18       
                                             L/R Leg     15           19       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Lasers                              RA        6         2         2.00
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1.50
LRM-10                                       LT        4         2         5.00
Small Laser                                  HD        1         1         0.50
@LRM-10 (12)                                 CT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 25

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 14
6j         3       3       1       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ECM, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1