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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #1260 on: 13 December 2018, 18:27:48 »
Which ones?  ???
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« Reply #1261 on: 13 December 2018, 18:39:20 »
Not the Civil Wars I was looking for... I'm all about the pre-clan era...

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« Reply #1262 on: 13 December 2018, 19:36:31 »
Not the Civil Wars I was looking for... I'm all about the pre-clan era...

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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #1263 on: 13 December 2018, 19:44:29 »
Era Report 2750 has the most information on the War of Davion Succession, at the very least.
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« Reply #1264 on: 13 December 2018, 20:05:39 »
That one I have, thanks!

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« Reply #1265 on: 13 December 2018, 20:23:46 »
Not a bad theory Wrangler . . . knowing they were on the wrong side of the Civil War and 'given' to the SL to get them out of the FedSuns.  I do not think it would take someone long, if they wanted to, to whip the rumor mill into saying they were being sent on suicide missions to continue the punishment.  Imagine you are a line trooper who followed orders in the Civil War, get effectively exiled for losing, start hearing rumors of other FS units that were on the same side being sent on forlorn hopes and abandoned by the First Prince loving SL command structure, and be told you just got assigned to drop on to a horde of Taurians.  You ask your CO if the rumors are true, they are being sent out to die . . . and get Standard Answer #43.

Honestly, easy to see how one of the Terran March units could have been manipulated into doing exactly what happened.
  Plausible on its face, but the timescale involves gives me pause.  The Davion Civil War ran from 2519 to 2540.  Roger Varnay’s ‘triumphant return from exile to reclaim his rightful throne’ was virtually exterminated when he made it in 2565 — the naval component (and its CapCon ‘support’) was annihilated at Kigamboni, the ground-troops wiped out on Wappingers “nearly to a man” (according to HB:HD).
  Assuming enlistment at age 20 and mandatory retirement at age 65, a line trooper who signed up with the Federated Peacekeeping Forces at the start of the DCW in 2519 and ‘just followed (Varnay/Rostov) orders’ thereafter would be ageing out by the time of Varnay’s failed return and would’ve endured a quarter-century of suspicion and dead-end assignments in the post-DCW AFFS... which is a long time to retain the services of a man whose loyalties are held in question.
  If this hypothetical trooper signed up at the very end of the DCW in 2539 or so, to still be in FedSuns uniform by the time of the Sterope raid in 2588, he’s somehow escaped being jettisoned to the SLDF in 2571 (which Alexander Davion explicitly used to take a ‘new broom’ to his military, sweeping out units and personnel with a history of disloyalty to him and his branch of the Davion family) and been retained years past his pension date.
  I mean, I know BT leaders often practice collective responsibility when it comes to disloyal units, but to keep punishing the children and grandchildren of ‘rebel’ troops two generations after the rebellion ended seems... a tad extreme, for the FedSuns.  I’d half-expect it from the DC or CC (if not a blanket 9mm retirement package for all those involved directly after the Civil War), but as a general rule the Davions have had a relatively lighter hand when it comes to such things.

  Eh.  At this rate, I think I’ll just have to settle on a personal interpretation and call it good.
  For my purposes, I’m going to assume that somewhere between the end of the DCW and the crushing of Roger’s Return in 2565, the Duke of New Syrtis — either founder or heir to one of the short-lived dynasties that replaced the attainted Varnays — assembled a nine-battalion ‘household bodyguard’ unit of ’Mechs and vehicles, the Syrtis Light Cavalry.  (There’s canonical precedent for this — check out Hot Spots or Chaos March for the kind of shenanigans planetary nobles can get up to below the national radar.)  The central AFFS either didn’t notice this formation, or for domestic political reasons chose not to act against it at the time of joining the Star League, but it became... inconvenient to tolerate thereafter*, and the Duke was ‘encouraged’ to ‘downsize’ his bodyguard by, oh, three battalions or so.  The Duke nominated the three unlucky battalions (the 2nd, 3rd and 7th), appointed a regimental commander and staff for the now-237th, and with semi-official sanction dispatched them to shoot up a Taurian planet as proof of New Syrtis’ loyalty to Alexander Davion (the timing being a matter of convoluted domestic politics), never intending to accept them back into the FedSuns.  Unfortunately for the Duke, the troops he used in this ‘demonstration’ realised they were being expended on a one-way operation, simply so the Duke could cover his ass, and they had other ideas....

  Your mileage may vary, of course.

* Hmmm... come to think of it, I’ve got just the historical justification for that, but it’s a spoiler!

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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #1266 on: 13 December 2018, 22:17:26 »
I don't think mandatory retirement at age 65 is a thing in the AFFS at any point and that feels like a pretty major assumption to make when we have MechWarriors taking the field as effective combatants well into their 90s and 100s.
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« Reply #1267 on: 13 December 2018, 23:18:09 »
I don't think mandatory retirement at age 65 is a thing in the AFFS at any point and that feels like a pretty major assumption to make when we have MechWarriors taking the field as effective combatants well into their 90s and 100s.
  The examplars who spring to mind for such aged combatants are usually people like Morgan Kell and Natasha Kerensky, who are, uh, rather outliers — people who have a one-in-billions combination of experience, skill, luck, physical conditioning, genetic predisposition and just plain Divine Favour.  And while Star League medtech might extend lifespans into the 150s by the time of the Amaris Coup (per JHS:Terra), the DCW was more than two centuries before that, and I’d guesstimate that the average lifespan in the 26th century is closer to 100-110 than the number immediately pre-Amaris.
  People who are actually subject to the bell-curve, instead of blowing the roof off of it?  I’d imagine that they’d start falling out of their prime by their 60s and 70s.  Mandatory retirement?  Possibly not a thing in-universe... but even if there’s no formal policy, I can imagine there’d be a lot of ‘encouragement’ to take non-combat postings (or a pension) past a certain age, especially for people who have demonstrated ‘dubious judgement’ in their careers.

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« Reply #1268 on: 13 December 2018, 23:42:11 »
Not the Civil Wars I was looking for... I'm all about the pre-clan era...

For the 26th century one, closest to a historical you're going to get is Handbook House Davion and its 1980s predecessor. If you're after anything on individual units, Field Manual FedSuns mentions it in unit write-ups.
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« Reply #1269 on: 14 December 2018, 00:12:23 »
  The examplars who spring to mind for such aged combatants are usually people like Morgan Kell and Natasha Kerensky, who are, uh, rather outliers — people who have a one-in-billions combination of experience, skill, luck, physical conditioning, genetic predisposition and just plain Divine Favour.  And while Star League medtech might extend lifespans into the 150s by the time of the Amaris Coup (per JHS:Terra), the DCW was more than two centuries before that, and I’d guesstimate that the average lifespan in the 26th century is closer to 100-110 than the number immediately pre-Amaris.
  People who are actually subject to the bell-curve, instead of blowing the roof off of it?  I’d imagine that they’d start falling out of their prime by their 60s and 70s.  Mandatory retirement?  Possibly not a thing in-universe... but even if there’s no formal policy, I can imagine there’d be a lot of ‘encouragement’ to take non-combat postings (or a pension) past a certain age, especially for people who have demonstrated ‘dubious judgement’ in their careers.

We don't actually know one way or another whether those people are actually outliers in a meaningful sense; the age demographics of any faction's military aren't known to us (except that the Clans are predominantly young).  My point was that mandatory retirement based on age isn't an assumption we can rely on being true.  Similarly I don't think there's ever been a concrete declaration of what the age of majority in the Federated Suns is; 20 seems incredibly conservative to enlistment, considering it's entirely possible for someone nowadays to sign their contract the day they turn 17.

I don't actually have anything against your conclusion, just the methodology. ;)
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« Reply #1270 on: 14 December 2018, 00:26:03 »
  Plausible on its face, but the timescale involves gives me pause.  The Davion Civil War ran from 2519 to 2540.  Roger Varnay’s ‘triumphant return from exile to reclaim his rightful throne’ was virtually exterminated when he made it in 2565 — the naval component (and its CapCon ‘support’) was annihilated at Kigamboni, the ground-troops wiped out on Wappingers “nearly to a man” (according to HB:HD).
  Assuming enlistment at age 20 and mandatory retirement at age 65, a line trooper who signed up with the Federated Peacekeeping Forces at the start of the DCW in 2519 and ‘just followed (Varnay/Rostov) orders’ thereafter would be ageing out by the time of Varnay’s failed return and would’ve endured a quarter-century of suspicion and dead-end assignments in the post-DCW AFFS... which is a long time to retain the services of a man whose loyalties are held in question.
  If this hypothetical trooper signed up at the very end of the DCW in 2539 or so, to still be in FedSuns uniform by the time of the Sterope raid in 2588, he’s somehow escaped being jettisoned to the SLDF in 2571 (which Alexander Davion explicitly used to take a ‘new broom’ to his military, sweeping out units and personnel with a history of disloyalty to him and his branch of the Davion family) and been retained years past his pension date.
  I mean, I know BT leaders often practice collective responsibility when it comes to disloyal units, but to keep punishing the children and grandchildren of ‘rebel’ troops two generations after the rebellion ended seems... a tad extreme, for the FedSuns.  I’d half-expect it from the DC or CC (if not a blanket 9mm retirement package for all those involved directly after the Civil War), but as a general rule the Davions have had a relatively lighter hand when it comes to such things.

  Eh.  At this rate, I think I’ll just have to settle on a personal interpretation and call it good.
  For my purposes, I’m going to assume that somewhere between the end of the DCW and the crushing of Roger’s Return in 2565, the Duke of New Syrtis — either founder or heir to one of the short-lived dynasties that replaced the attainted Varnays — assembled a nine-battalion ‘household bodyguard’ unit of ’Mechs and vehicles, the Syrtis Light Cavalry.  (There’s canonical precedent for this — check out Hot Spots or Chaos March for the kind of shenanigans planetary nobles can get up to below the national radar.)  The central AFFS either didn’t notice this formation, or for domestic political reasons chose not to act against it at the time of joining the Star League, but it became... inconvenient to tolerate thereafter*, and the Duke was ‘encouraged’ to ‘downsize’ his bodyguard by, oh, three battalions or so.  The Duke nominated the three unlucky battalions (the 2nd, 3rd and 7th), appointed a regimental commander and staff for the now-237th, and with semi-official sanction dispatched them to shoot up a Taurian planet as proof of New Syrtis’ loyalty to Alexander Davion (the timing being a matter of convoluted domestic politics), never intending to accept them back into the FedSuns.  Unfortunately for the Duke, the troops he used in this ‘demonstration’ realised they were being expended on a one-way operation, simply so the Duke could cover his ass, and they had other ideas....

  Your mileage may vary, of course.

* Hmmm... come to think of it, I’ve got just the historical justification for that, but it’s a spoiler!

My personal headcannon is that the lighthorse were a regiment left over from the Terran Alliance, possibly one that sided with the rebels during the Grain Revolt or had ties to the First Families, leading to the Feds keeping them intact. Over time, their reputation failed and they were only kept on the roles as a dumping ground for personnel nobody else wanted, leading to their poor performance on Sterope and their desertion.
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« Reply #1271 on: 14 December 2018, 05:30:38 »
Would it be possible to square this circle by saying the 237th was not actually a battlemech formation, and rather a conventional unit - of which we know there are a huge number and they don’t show up in OOBs or movement tables. Then we need to explain the presence of Mechs in their formation after going awol. Maybe there was a detached mech formation from another unit that went with them or they stole the mechs (but then, where did the pilots come from?).

That doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch.

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« Reply #1272 on: 14 December 2018, 07:25:42 »
Or it was an ADHOC formation
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« Reply #1273 on: 14 December 2018, 07:38:34 »
Pure battlemech regiments were still relatively new leading up to the Reunification War. Battlemechs had only been around for so long, to the point where primitive mechs still made up a substantial part of the house armies. A composite unit seems likely.
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« Reply #1274 on: 14 December 2018, 09:44:16 »
As interesting as this is, this isn't the thread for it. I hope you'll go create a new thread to continue this discussion while this thread gets back to discussing new releases.
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« Reply #1275 on: 15 December 2018, 12:03:20 »
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« Reply #1276 on: 15 December 2018, 12:16:23 »
Oh that is nice, I have been waiting for that one and a few others to finally make epub.  I know where my Amazon gift card is going!
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« Reply #1277 on: 15 December 2018, 12:32:19 »
Lovely art to go with such nice trilogy.
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« Reply #1278 on: 15 December 2018, 12:38:14 »
For Engarde . . . is that the first art we have gotten with a Classic Phoenix Hawk?
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« Reply #1279 on: 15 December 2018, 12:39:10 »
For Engarde . . . is that the first art we have gotten with a Classic Phoenix Hawk?

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« Reply #1280 on: 15 December 2018, 12:51:20 »
Keep forgetting that it was in the background on that cover- the Wolverine was distracting.
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« Reply #1281 on: 15 December 2018, 13:24:09 »
oh my god that looks amazing. And the updated covers are excellent.

I'll definitely get the whole trilogy printed. Stunning work in resurrecting these books after never being available since their (now) very old print run.

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« Reply #1282 on: 15 December 2018, 14:32:50 »
Do any of these providers sell DRM-free eBooks?
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« Reply #1283 on: 15 December 2018, 15:21:14 »
Never been much for the novels but I recently picked up Embers of War and Betrayal of Ideals to test the waters. I’ll get this if for no other reason than to further encourage more PoD offerings

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« Reply #1284 on: 15 December 2018, 16:50:53 »
Might be worth mentioning these are completely re-edited versions too, not the previous scanned-to-text ones!

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« Reply #1285 on: 15 December 2018, 18:21:01 »
Is that a Shimmy redraw of the Orion?
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« Reply #1286 on: 15 December 2018, 18:27:00 »
Looks a lot like the one on the cover of 2sw

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« Reply #1287 on: 15 December 2018, 19:14:15 »
Do any of these providers sell DRM-free eBooks?

At least kobo does. That’s the one I’ve been using.

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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #1288 on: 15 December 2018, 19:49:06 »
Looks like the Orion has a new look too .

pheonixstorm

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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #1289 on: 15 December 2018, 20:30:03 »
Its had a new look for awhile now.

 

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