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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #840 on: 12 March 2019, 06:12:04 »
Cannot find the Battlemaster C 2 on the MUL, wondering if this is an oversight or it just hasn't been added yet.

Thanks!

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #841 on: 12 March 2019, 06:30:26 »
hasn't been added yet.
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« Reply #842 on: 12 March 2019, 07:12:26 »
hasn't been added yet.

Alright, thanks! Do you by chance know if it has a different PV or the same as the Battlemaster (Red Corsair)? Sarna states the C 2 is a production version, dunno if that means carbon copy or not..

Sorry for slightly OT chatter.
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« Reply #843 on: 13 March 2019, 17:42:49 »
These two seem to be missing availability with the listed factions during the Star League era.

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« Reply #844 on: 14 March 2019, 22:39:44 »
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Star League Royal
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This is in reference to TRO:3039 page 114, which states that the Star League solved the problems with the Large Laser and began production of the -9R. The MUL has the -9R as being introduced as 2759, so it should have been in Star League Regular and Star League Royal hands.
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« Reply #845 on: 19 March 2019, 17:47:25 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1319/grigori-c-grg-o-tamiel

this Grigori config is showing up when I search by source for Record Sheets: 3075 Unabridged - Age of War

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #846 on: 20 March 2019, 13:29:38 »
I'd like to expand:

Of all the mechs listed in the new TRO: Succession Wars, the FLE-16 is the only mech not represented for Alpha Strike. While I understand the MUL is an eternal work-in-progress, it might be worth prioritizing addings mechs that have been featured in recently released products over adding others, where time allows...

And here's small list of odd cases I found:

This mech has typo, where a dot was used instead of a comma to seperate abilities:
(Lucian Finn) Wolfhound .Multi-Tasker -> ,Multi-Tasker

These mechs used a zero where a dash should have been used:

STM-R1 Storm Raider AC1/1/0 -> AC1/1/-
AVL-1OC Avalanche AC1/1/0 -> AC/1/1/-
CN9-A Centurion REAR1/1/0 -> REAR/1/1/-

I did find a bunch a cases where it seems parentheses were unnecessarily and inconsistently used, "wasting" the tiny amount of space we have on the unit cards :)

AS7-D (Danielle) Atlas AC(2/2/-) -> AC2/2/-

WVE-5UX Wyvern City SRM(2/2) -> SRM2/2
THG-11ECX (Jose) Thug SRM(2/2) -> SRM2/2

ARC-1A Archer LRM(1/2/2) -> LRM1/2/2

HCT-3F (Austin) Hatchetman FLK(1/1/1) -> FLK1/1/1
ENF-7D Enforcer III FLK(1/1/1) -> FLK1/1/1
A Boreas FLK(1/1/1) -> FLK1/1/1
HMH-3D (Kessem) Hammerhands FLK(1/1/1) -> FLK1/1/1
AS7-D-H (Kerensky) Atlas II FLK(1/1/1) -> FLK1/1/1
MSH-9HKR "Kill-Roy's Little Buddy" Mackie FLK(1/1/1) -> FLK1/1/1

HRC-LS-9000 (Julius) Hercules FLK(1/1/-) -> FLK1/1/-

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #847 on: 24 March 2019, 21:10:22 »
Availability for EXT-4D Exterminator is listed as ComStar only in Late Succession War - Renaissance. It should be ComStar and Draconis Combine as per pg. 112 of Combat Manual: Kurita.

MON-67 Mongoose should also be available to Kurita in Late Succession War - Renaissance as per pg. 111 of Combat Manual: Kurita.

KTO-18 Kintaro is also not listed as available for Kurita in Late Succession War - Renaissance, but should be as per pg. 111 of Combat Manual: Kurita.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #848 on: 07 April 2019, 05:41:42 »
I just noticed the cost of the Heavy Battlemech Recovery Vehicle (618,750) appears to assume use of Ferro Fibrous armor.  Using Solaris Armor Werks, the price for a Standard armor version would only be 585,000 (618,750 appears when I switch the armor to Ferro).  As the entry lists "Age of War" for introduction, availability in all eras, and "Introductory" rules level, I recommend changing the listed price to 585,000.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #849 on: 07 April 2019, 08:02:20 »
No need to assume, it has a TR and RS.  They say what it has.
We put an earlier era because it has so little armor that it’s nearly insignificant to remove it, and unlikely to get an earlier version, so we went ahead and suggested using it earlier.  But the RS and cost are based on it ha jog ferro.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #850 on: 13 April 2019, 22:06:21 »
Is there any particular reason why the Merkava Mark II is listed as 2325 in the MUL when TRO 3075 and XTRO Primitives Vol I say it was introduced in 2294?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #851 on: 06 May 2019, 15:33:52 »
Ferret Light Scout VTOL (Cargo)

Record Sheets 3039 has this unit equipped with 2.5 tons of cargo, while the Alpha Strike card on the MUL lists CT4. Recommend changing the AS card to read CT2.5.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #852 on: 18 May 2019, 17:04:55 »
"Dates Introduced" for Epona Pursuit Tank <Base> and configurations, 5/7 total listings

Links:
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4130/epona-pursuit-tank-base
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/996/epona-pursuit-tank-prime
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/991/epona-pursuit-tank-a
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/992/epona-pursuit-tank-b
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/993/epona-pursuit-tank-c

Technical Readout: 3060, p. 54 (FASA and CGL printings) have this line in "Overview":
"Other Clans consider the pod technology wasted on conventional vehicles, but the Horses, who regularly use vehicles in front-line roles, have enjoyed the benefits of the flexibility of this design for more than seventy years."

The current MUL date listed in all the links above is 2884. While this is technically more than 70 years before the in-universe publication date (2884 is 176 years before 1 November, 3060), the dates would correspond better with either 1 of 2 changes, but not both:

A. Change the "Overview" in TRO:3060, p. 54 to say "...for more than one hundred seventy years." (I prefer this option!!!).

or

B. Change the "Dates Introduced" on all 5 linked pages to 2984, and remove Epona from the RATs in "Turning Points: Tokasha"

If TRO:3060 should be changed, please let us know so we can report the errata. Thank you!

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« Reply #853 on: 20 May 2019, 15:26:01 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/182/axel-heavy-tank-iic-standard

Problem: The Axel IIC is listed as "Technology: Inner Sphere"
Solution: Chnage "Technology: Inner Sphere" to "Technology: Clan"
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« Reply #854 on: 22 May 2019, 20:18:53 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6487/thang-ta-apc-standard

Problem: Date Introduced for the Thang-Ta is 3093. TRO:3145 FWL "Thang-Ta" p. 10 says, "Earthwerks quietly premiered the Thang-Ta before the Jihad."
Solution A: Change the Date Introduced for the Thang-Ta on the MUL.
or
Solution B: Change the description from the Thang-Ta entry in TRO:3145 FWL to say, "Earthwerks quietly premiered the Thang-Ta after the Jihad." (This is likely the more difficult change - the way the article is written, more changes will be required to avoid any implicit earlier introduction dates in the writing.)




http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6313/marten-scout-vtol-standard

Problem: Date Introduced for the Marten Scout VTOL is 3021. TRO:3145 FS "Marten Scout VTOL" p. 12, "Deployment" begins, "In active service for more than a century,..." This places the introduction before the Clan Invasion.
Solution A: Change the Date Introduced for the Marten on the MUL.
or
Solution B: Change "Deployment: In active service for more than twenty years,..."

Please respond and let us know which changes should be made. If TRO:3145 FWL and FS should be changed, I can post the errata on the pages. Thank you!
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« Reply #855 on: 23 May 2019, 06:47:51 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6487/thang-ta-apc-standard

Problem: Date Introduced for the Thang-Ta is 3093. TRO:3145 FWL "Thang-Ta" p. 10 says, "Earthwerks quietly premiered the Thang-Ta before the Jihad."
Solution A: Change the Date Introduced for the Thang-Ta on the MUL.
or
Solution B: Change the description from the Thang-Ta entry in TRO:3145 FWL to say, "Earthwerks quietly premiered the Thang-Ta after the Jihad." (This is likely the more difficult change - the way the article is written, more changes will be required to avoid any implicit earlier introduction dates in the writing.)




http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6313/marten-scout-vtol-standard

Problem: Date Introduced for the Marten Scout VTOL is 3021. TRO:3145 FS "Marten Scout VTOL" p. 12, "Deployment" begins, "In active service for more than a century,..." This places the introduction before the Clan Invasion.
Solution A: Change the Date Introduced for the Marten on the MUL.
or
Solution B: Change "Deployment: In active service for more than twenty years,..."

Please respond and let us know which changes should be made. If TRO:3145 FWL and FS should be changed, I can post the errata on the pages. Thank you!
S.gage

Thang-Ta changed to 3079.  Marten Scout VTOL, 3021 is 124 years before 3145. So that is "more than a century".
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #856 on: 23 May 2019, 06:48:44 »
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/182/axel-heavy-tank-iic-standard

Problem: The Axel IIC is listed as "Technology: Inner Sphere"
Solution: Chnage "Technology: Inner Sphere" to "Technology: Clan"

Yep, thanks.
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« Reply #857 on: 23 May 2019, 07:01:58 »
"Dates Introduced" for Epona Pursuit Tank <Base> and configurations, 5/7 total listings

Links:
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4130/epona-pursuit-tank-base
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/996/epona-pursuit-tank-prime
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/991/epona-pursuit-tank-a
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/992/epona-pursuit-tank-b
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/993/epona-pursuit-tank-c

Technical Readout: 3060, p. 54 (FASA and CGL printings) have this line in "Overview":
"Other Clans consider the pod technology wasted on conventional vehicles, but the Horses, who regularly use vehicles in front-line roles, have enjoyed the benefits of the flexibility of this design for more than seventy years."

The current MUL date listed in all the links above is 2884. While this is technically more than 70 years before the in-universe publication date (2884 is 176 years before 1 November, 3060), the dates would correspond better with either 1 of 2 changes, but not both:

A. Change the "Overview" in TRO:3060, p. 54 to say "...for more than one hundred seventy years." (I prefer this option!!!).

or

B. Change the "Dates Introduced" on all 5 linked pages to 2984, and remove Epona from the RATs in "Turning Points: Tokasha"

If TRO:3060 should be changed, please let us know so we can report the errata. Thank you!

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Yeah, Comstar goofed there.  It also says the Bandit is likely an offshot of the Epona.  Meanwhile the Bandit is stated to be from the Golden Century (which ended more than 70 years before 3060).  So I'm going to leave the Epona as earlier.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #858 on: 23 May 2019, 07:03:43 »
Ferret Light Scout VTOL (Cargo)

Record Sheets 3039 has this unit equipped with 2.5 tons of cargo, while the Alpha Strike card on the MUL lists CT4. Recommend changing the AS card to read CT2.5.

Thanks, fixed.
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« Reply #859 on: 23 May 2019, 07:10:19 »
Is there any particular reason why the Merkava Mark II is listed as 2325 in the MUL when TRO 3075 and XTRO Primitives Vol I say it was introduced in 2294?

When we created the entry in the MUL based on 3075, we had the Merkava Heavy Tank as 2294 and the Merkava Heavy Tank Mk. II coming later (2325).  (The real world Merkava already has a Mk II, Mk III, Mk IV). We didn't notice the later Primitives Vol I went with the "mk I" being the real world tank and the BT Mk II being the 2294.
Updated the Mk II to 2294.
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« Reply #860 on: 23 May 2019, 07:12:38 »
Alright, thanks! Do you by chance know if it has a different PV or the same as the Battlemaster (Red Corsair)? Sarna states the C 2 is a production version, dunno if that means carbon copy or not..

Sorry for slightly OT chatter.

There's no Record Sheet yet, so I don't know what AS stats it will have and therefore what PV it will have.
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« Reply #861 on: 23 May 2019, 09:21:44 »
Availability for EXT-4D Exterminator is listed as ComStar only in Late Succession War - Renaissance. It should be ComStar and Draconis Combine as per pg. 112 of Combat Manual: Kurita.

MON-67 Mongoose should also be available to Kurita in Late Succession War - Renaissance as per pg. 111 of Combat Manual: Kurita.

KTO-18 Kintaro is also not listed as available for Kurita in Late Succession War - Renaissance, but should be as per pg. 111 of Combat Manual: Kurita.

MON-67 and KTO-18 have been updated.   The Kurita Special list that the EXT-4D is on in CM:K is not going to be necessarily added to the MUL for DC. They are not generally available to the DC.
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« Reply #862 on: 23 May 2019, 09:39:30 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1319/grigori-c-grg-o-tamiel

this Grigori config is showing up when I search by source for Record Sheets: 3075 Unabridged - Age of War

It actually took me a while to figure out what you meant the problem was.  I was about to reply "it is in RS:3075u, p160!" before I noticed it was labeled as the age of war instead of cutting edge....

thanks, fixed.
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« Reply #863 on: 23 May 2019, 09:42:24 »
Panther PNT-9R
Star League Royal
Star League Regular

This is in reference to TRO:3039 page 114, which states that the Star League solved the problems with the Large Laser and began production of the -9R. The MUL has the -9R as being introduced as 2759, so it should have been in Star League Regular and Star League Royal hands.

Fixed, thanks.
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« Reply #864 on: 23 May 2019, 09:46:13 »
These two seem to be missing availability with the listed factions during the Star League era.

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The 6 was never made.  "It is unknown if any made it past the planning stages before Kankoku was permanently shut down."
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« Reply #865 on: 23 May 2019, 10:00:49 »
Swift Wind Scout Car should be available to the St. Ives faction for the duration of that faction's existence per TRO 3039, Pg. 12:
"Only a few dozen Swift Winds can be found outside the Capellan Confederation (or the short-lived St. Ives Compact), with most of those “foreign” Swift Winds operated by mercenary units that served House Liao well. With the secession of St. Ives, Swift Winds actually competed against one another as the Confederation mounts raids against its former state."

Added, thanks.

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Apollo APL-1M should not be available to the Fed Com/Fed Suns/Lyrans/St. Ives/Rasalhauge in the Clan Invasion or Civil War era per TRO 3055, Pg. 57
"Earthwerks has been instructed to refuse any Federated Commonwealth, St. Ives Compact, or Rasalhague Orders for the new Mech."

However, it seems that sales to the LAAF, AFFS in the Jihad era per TRO 3055U, Pg. 42:
"The recent* removal of the LAAF and AFFS from the “banned sales list” has led to speculation about new exports; sales to ComStar, the Free Rasalhague Republic and the CCAF remain embargoed." (*The forward of the book states that TRO 3055U is written in 3067, which suggests that these would have been for sale in the Jihad era.)

TRO 3055U also states that the design is embargoed in the CCAF (unclear if this applied in the original TRO 3055). 3050U states the Apollo is also sold to the WOB Militia, but no timeline is given for when it was made available to them.
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« Reply #866 on: 23 May 2019, 10:06:24 »
The Gladiator(Executioner) I should have a movement of 12”/8”j since it has a supercharger and MASC system, not 10”/8”j.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #867 on: 23 May 2019, 10:11:03 »
The Eagle EGL-R6 aerospace fighter does not have a star to indicate it was featured in a TRO - it is found in TRO:3075 (pg 264)

edit: Add the Lightning LTN-G15 (pg 251). I suspect there are more 3075 units lurking as well

edit2: by more I mean every fighter except the Hellcat

The List:
Shade S-HA-O (98)
Rusalka S-RSL-O (100)
Striga S-STR-O (102)
Sabre SB-27 (212)
Centurion CNT-1D (230)
Lightning LTN-G15 (250)
Eagle EGL-R6 (264)
Deathstalker F-77 (266)
Typhoon TFN-2A (284)
Thunderbird TRB-D36 (286)
Vulcan VLC-5N (302)

Yep, thanks, fixed all those.
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #868 on: 23 May 2019, 10:12:28 »
Any chance that there could be a quick start record sheet generator on the MUL as well?  I ask because while it would help me with con/demo games but I think it would also help draw in more players yet not compete with the existing record sheet line.

It would be awesome, but it's been beyond our ability to implement.
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #869 on: 23 May 2019, 10:13:45 »
Fast Recon Cavalry Point, 67th BattleMech Cluster, Iota Galaxy
 
Unit Type Infantry - Conventional Infantry - Wheeled



Hi,  this should be listed as Hover infantry, not wheeled.

Fixed, thanks.
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets