RecGuide Index and WYSIWYG Variants

[Sartris]

RECGUIDE DIRECTORY
Alphabetical listing of all mechs found in the RecGuides, the size of their coverage, and the number of record sheets included.

For a complete list of variants, go here

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MECH VOL PG RS
Adder / Puma 03 1 5
Archer 10 4 10
Awesome 04 1/3 1
Axman 12 1/3 1
BattleMaster 03 4 7
Black Knight 12 1/3 1
Blackjack 04 1/3 1
Bushwacker 02 1/3 1
Carrion Crow 12 2 5
Catapult 05 1/3 1
Cataphract 06 1/3 1
Centurion 10 1/3 1
Commando 01 1/3 1
Conjurer / Hellhound 05 2 3
Crab 05 1/3 1
Cricket 06 2 1
Crucible 10 2 3
Devil 08 2 1
Dominator 01 2 2
Executioner 09 1 6
Fire Moth / Dasher 08 2 7
Gargoyle (Man O' War) 11 1 6
Goliath C 01 2 1
Grasshopper 01 1/3 1
Grendel 02 1 6
Griffin 01 4 5
Hammerhead 05 2 1
Hatchetman 12 1/3 1
Hellbringer / Loki 01 1 4
Hermit Crab 10 2 3
Hierofalcon 03 2 5
Highlander 10 1/3 1
Horned Owl (Peregrine) 11 2 5
Howler / Baboon 08 2 4
Huntsman 12 1 4
Inferno 09 2 5
Ice Ferret / Fenris 04 1 6
Ion Sparrow 11 2 5
Incubus / Vixen 07 2 6
King Crab 05 1/3 1
Kit Fox (Uller) 11 1 6
Linebacker 06 1 4
Mad Dog / Vulture 10 1 5
Marauder 06 4 15
Marauder II 05 4 7
Maurader IIC 06 2 4
Mongoose 10 1/3 1
Mist Lynx / Koshi 07 2 7
Nightstar 06 1/3 1
OstScout 02 4 3
Pack Hunter 01 1/3 1
Phoenix Hawk 11 4 9
Raven 06 1/3 1
Rifleman 08 4 7
Shadow Cat 09 1 6
Shadow Cat III 03 2 4
Shadow Hawk 12 4 9
Sojurner 02 2 5
Stone Rhino / Behemoth 02 2 6
Summoner / Thor 03 1 5
Stormcrow / Ryoken 07 2 5
Thresher II 04 2 1
Timber Wolf / Mad Cat 05 2 4
Trebuchet 04 1/3 1
UrbanMech 02 1/3 1
Valkyrie 09 4 4
Vapor Eagle / Goshawk 09 2 5
Viper / Dragonfly 08 1 6
War Crow 07 2 4
Warhammer 07 4 11
Warhammer IIC 04 2 3
Wasp 04 4 6
White Raven 12 2 5
Zeus 02 1/3 1

The Classics/Nuseen
So far, each RecGuide has reintroduced one of the classic IS mechs, formerly classified as Unseen.

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Griffin 01
OstScout 02
BattleMaster 03
Wasp 04
Marauder II 05
Marauder 06
Warhammer 07
Rifleman 08
Valkyire 09
Archer 10
Phoenix Hawk 11
Shadow Hawk 12

THE NEW GUYS
Each RecGuide introduces at least one brand new, never seen before mech

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Dominator 01
Sojurner 02
Hierofalcon 03
Shadow Cat III 03
Thresher II 04
Hammerhead 05
Cricket 06
War Crow 07
Devil 08
Inferno 09
Crucible 10
Hermit Crab 10
Ion Sparrow 11
Carrion Crow 12
White Raven 12

WYSIWYG VARIANTS
List of Mech Variants that match the outward appearance of the mini included in the GoAC box, Clan Invasion box, or other KickStarter Mech pack.

INNER SPHERE

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MECH NEW VARIANT MINI VARIANT GUIDE
Wasp WSP-5A WSP-1A 04
Commando COM-9S COM-2D 01
UrbanMech UM-R96 UM-R60 02
OstScout OST-8J OST-7J 02
OstScout OST-12R OST-7J 02
Valkyrie VLK-QD VLK-QA 09
Valkyrie VLK-QD6 VLK-QA 09
Valkyrie VLK-QDD VLK-QA 09
Blackjack BJ-5 BJ-1 04
Phoenix Hawk PXH-3D PXH-1 11
Phoenix Hawk PXH-3S PXH-1 11
Phoenix Hawk PXH-9 PXH-1 11
Centurion CN10-D CN9-A 10
Crab CRB-54 CRB-20 05
Trebuchet TRB-9N TRB-5N 04
Bushwacker BSW-X4 BSW-X1 02
Griffin GRF-3N GRF-1N 01
Shadow Hawk SHD-5R SHD-2H 12
Shadow Hawk SHD-6D SHD-2H 12
Shadow Hawk SHD-7H SHD-2H 12
Rifleman RFL-5M RFL-1N 08
Rifleman RFL-7N RFL-1N 08
Rifleman RFL-7N2 RFL-1N 08
Catapult CPLT-K6 CPLT-C1 05
Axman AXM-5N AXM-1N 12
Archer ARC-4M ARC-2R 10
Archer ARC-4M2 ARC-2R 10
Archer ARC-7C ARC-2R 10
Cataphract CTF-5L CTF-1X 06
Grasshopper GHR-8K GHR-5H 01
Warhammer WHM-7A WHM-6R 07
Warhammer WHM-8R WHM-6R 07
Warhammer WHM-10K WHM-8R 07
Black Knight BL-18-KNT BL-7-KNT 12
Marauder MAD-2T MAD-3R 06
Maruader MAD-5D-DC MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-5M MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-5S MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-7C MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-7M MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-7R MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-7S MAD-3R 06
Marauder MAD-11D MAD-3R 06
Marauder BH 3138 MAD-3R 06
Marauder RH 3146 MAD-3R 06
Awesome AWS-11H AWS-8Q 04
Zeus ZEU-11S ZEU-6S 02
BattleMaster BLR-6G BLR-1G 03
Nightstar NSR-10D NSR-9J 06
King Crab KGC-011 KGC-001 05
Marauder II MAD-5A MAD-4A 05
Marauder II MAD-5B MAD-4A 05
Marauder II MAD-5C MAD-4A 05
Marauder II MAD-6A MAD-4A 05
Marauder II MAD-6C MAD-4A 05
Marauder II MAD-8K MAD-4A 05
Marauder II MAD-10D MAD-4A 05

CLAN

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MECH NEW VARIANT MINI VARIANT GUIDE
Fire Moth / Dasher T Prime 08
Wasp C WSP-1A 04
Mist Lynx / Koshi T Prime 07
Pack Hunter 5 (Standard) 01
Incubus / Vixen 2 (Standard) 07
Incubus / Vixen 7 (Standard) 07
Kit Fox (Uller) T Prime 11
Valkyrie C VLK-QA 09
Horned Owl (Peregrine) 6 (Standard) 11
Puma / Adder T Prime 03
Shadow Cat T Prime 09
Viper / Dragonfly T Prime 08
Grendel T Prime 02
Ice Ferret / Fenris T Prime 04
Phoenix Hawk C 2 PXH-1 11
Griffin C GRF-1N 01
Shadow Hawk C SHD-2H 12
Stormcrow / Ryoken T Prime 07
Mad Dog / Vulture T Prime 10
Rifleman C 3 RFL-1N 08
Linebacker T Prime 06
Hellbringer / Loki T Prime 01
Archer C ARC-2R 10
Thor / Summoner T Prime 03
Warhammer C WHM-6R 07
Warhammer C 2 WHM-6R 07
Marauder C MAD-3R 06
Timber Wolf / Mad Cat T Prime 05
White Raven (Standard) Black Python 12
Gargoyle (Man O' War) T Prime 11
Warhammer IIC 13 (Standard) 04
Battlemaster C 3 BLR-1G 03
Marauder IIC 10 (Standard) 06
Executioner / Gladiator T Prime 09
Stone Rhino / Behemoth 8 (Standard) 02


[ANS Kamas P81]

I suppose it'd be likely to continue, considering the very clear effort they went into to visually match the miniatures for the first book.

[Two Guns Blazing]

There is a mention at the start of the PDF (shown below) that kinda sorta eludes to these new Mechs TRO entries being linked with the Clan Invasion Mechs (and I guess you could loosely infer from that, also other newer Mechs like those in the Beginner Box and AGOAC Box). Not to say that it is strictly WYSIWYG, but perhaps some care is taken to make the new designs at least look a little like the models...

Special attention has been given to ’Mechs which were redesigned as part of the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter, to ensure that these brand-new miniatures have a
place in games set in the Dark Age. Many of these units have torn apart battlefields of the Inner Sphere for hundreds of years. With these guides, they will continue to do so
for hundreds more.

[ActionButler]

I will now patiently wait for a Stone Rhino variant with a Long Tom mounted just above the cockpit.

[Empyrus]

I will now patiently wait for a Stone Rhino variant with a Long Tom mounted just above the cockpit.

New Stone Rhino has two big guns clearly above side torsos.

[Ruger]

New Stone Rhino has two big guns clearly above side torsos.

Perfect for a pair of variable small pulse lasers.

 ;)

Ruger

[ActionButler]

New Stone Rhino has two big guns clearly above side torsos.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[MarauderCH IIC]

I'm waiting for the WYSIWYG Dire Wolf madness.

[Empyrus]

I'm waiting for the WYSIWYG Dire Wolf madness.

I suspect that is done already, sorta. 3145 NTNU Dire Wolf config matches the Prime's layout and is pretty nifty.

[MarauderD]

I suspect that is done already, sorta. 3145 NTNU Dire Wolf config matches the Prime's layout and is pretty nifty.

I'm concerned about mechs that have a limited number of weapon ports: WYSIWYG won't be very fun with the Wasp or Valkyrie, for example.

[Stormy]

It seems more like the hard point system from various computer games. It’s not terrible at all.

[Scotty]

A Valkyrie with a Light PPC and Streak LRM-10 would match just fine and turn it into a Griffin C that shrunk in the wash so I would absolutely not be disappointed by that.

[Sartris]

I'm concerned about mechs that have a limited number of weapon ports: WYSIWYG won't be very fun with the Wasp or Valkyrie, for example.

improved heavy medium laser?

[Scotty]

improved heavy medium laser?

Or Medium VSPL and two MML-5s.

"One energy weapon and ten missile tubes" is still a pretty flexible arrangement when it comes right down to it.

[Weirdo]

Superheavy Valkyrie with a RISC Hyperlaser and ten T-bolt-10s.

[Sharpnel]

A Valkyrie with a Light PPC and Streak LRM-10 would match just fine and turn it into a Griffin C that shrunk in the wash so I would absolutely not be disappointed by that.

pr an ER Large laser and a RL-10 in the Valkyrie

[Fat Guy]

Who says it even has to be an energy weapon? Just so long as it's a gun. Seeing how we're talking about a Davion 'Mech, a light AC or even a magshot would be perfectly acceptable. As the Commando proved, they're willing to go unoptimized (trying to be charitable  ;)) to be different.

[Empyrus]

Who says it even has to be an energy weapon? Just so long as it's a gun. Seeing how we're talking about a Davion 'Mech, a light AC or even a magshot would be perfectly acceptable.

Just about any energy weapon would be better.

[Sartris]

Who says it even has to be an energy weapon? Just so long as it's a gun. Seeing how we're talking about a Davion 'Mech, a light AC or even a magshot

the davions are more than welcome to explore this variety of upgrade whenever they choose

[Fat Guy]

Just about any energy weapon would be better.

But why would we want a Davion 'Mech to be better?  :D

[MarauderD]

I think we’ve explored sub optimal flavor designs aplenty.  For the lighter mechs, I’m hoping to see viability.  In 3150’s, that’s a tall order (see Wulfen or Gunsmith).

[Empyrus]

But why would we want a Davion 'Mech to be better?  :D

I'd rather avoid outright trash. Magshot is pretty much that, as are light ACs on lights with some exceptions.

[worktroll]

Battletech is not, has never been, and I doubt it ever will be WYSIWIG.

I strongly suspect this is more about giving new people who aren't into modding and customising a way to play the AGoAC/KS 'Mechs in Dark Age games without having to worry about what they look like vs the record sheet.

[Flaresnake]

I strongly suspect this is more about giving new people who aren't into modding and customising a way to play the AGoAC/KS 'Mechs in Dark Age games without having to worry about what they look like vs the record sheet.

what does AGoAC/KS mean?

[GreekFire]

what does AGoAC/KS mean?

A Game of Armored Combat / Kickstarter

But yeah, entirely agree with you, worktroll. It's not a bad move considering the number of new players entering the franchise from actual WYSIWYG games like 40k.

And as one of the people who wants to use a single Wolverine model for all of the variants in existence, BattleTech turning into a hardcore WYSIWYG game would be a massive turn off for me.

[Kles]

I’ve run into some people that while a game system doesn’t require WYSIWYG, they prefer it just because they are less likely to forget what their model is armed with. I do like where a game system doesn’t force people to do that, but it’s easy enough for people to do that if they want to play that way.

[CJC070]

I am interested in seeing what they will do to light support/striker mechs to make them more viable as a unit.  And the way I play it, I use common variants and as long as you are upfront with your opponents it shouldn't matter.  I do hope they make AC a more viable weapon just to make things interesting, however to each his own.  And remember the most important rule of the battletech is to have fun otherwise why are you playing. 

[Asgo]

I think it is a good strategy to think about choosing variants and use cases when designing the new models and not just from a "what would look cool" or favourite variant perspective, in particular if you redesign a whole range.
That alone doesn't makes it WYSIWYG, just a synchronized approach with some planning, which is never a bad idea. ;)

Besides even if they would go WYSIWYG, you are always free to ignore it - it doesn't have any game mechanical consequence aside from mech/variant selection.
Besides, it would only be true WYSIWYG if destroyed components would be detachable (I won't push for single use/life mechs and the use of fireworks although it would be fun). ;)

let me use this occasion to suggest the creation of forms of the new designs to be used with chocolate for example. A bit of food color and you can even get some paint schemes going. Every destroyed mech shall be eaten! If you use strong enough lasers you even can melt your opponent's mechs - so many options and calories...

[Sartris]

The title was more tongue in cheek than anything.

It’s more a running record for another thing I’ve got simmering than anything

[glitterboy2098]

they seem to have forgotten the ammo for the ATM6 on the Hellbringer T. at least in the TRo entry. the record sheet shows 2 tons.