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BattleTech Game Universe => The Periphery => Topic started by: greatsarcasmo on 15 May 2011, 22:42:22
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Attention all Filtveltians: no longer must we hang our heads in shame, for we now have our own faction thread!
Few in number we may be, but soon the Inner Sphere will feel the bite of our Ripper VTOLS and Boomerang spotter planes! Not to mention the quality wares fabricated on Broken Wheel's Quickscell factory!
Wish to battle cutting edges pirates with centuries old technology? Look no further, we of the Filtvelt Coalition welcome you into our embrace!
I'm sure the other 3 Filtvelt fans on the forums will appreciate this page...
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you lost a few planets between 3075 and 3130, what happened ?
and Quicksell products are not neccessarily a bonus for YOUR side if you have them ;)
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I assumed that the Fedrats took them back by force or through diplomatic means (the threat of force ;) ). By the 3130s, the Coalition is a mere seven worlds that the Feddies really don't seem to care about.
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Stronger we are for those worlds leaving! We need not their poisonous treachery! Better 7 worlds of concrete will then dozens with tepid fortitude! And Quickscell products are sphere renowned for their easy customization! Why, just look at the Hetzer! What other vehicle allows its crew the option of installing their own radio?
you lost a few planets between 3075 and 3130, what happened ?
and Quicksell products are not neccessarily a bonus for YOUR side if you have them ;)
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I'm sure the Protector of the Taurian Concordat would be willing to sell top of the line military hardware to the freedom loving people of the Coalition, after all any enemy of the Davion's is a friend of Taurus.
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I'm sure the Protector of the Taurian Concordat would be willing to sell top of the line military hardware to the freedom loving people of the Coalition, after all any enemy of the Davion's is a friend of Taurus.
Well, it seems Filtvelt is still on somewhat friendly terms with the Suns. As we have partaken in joint maneuvers into the former Malagrotta region. I also seem to remember a few of the Coalitions worlds suffering from Taurian predilections in recent times... Though I'm sure in the name of national security we can overlook certain things...
It was also revealed by Herb in this mornings battlechat that Filtvelt will be getting a unit in the upcoming TRO:3090. My guess? A battle armor VTOL transport. Without knowing what is built at the Quickscell plant of Broken Wheel, the Cal-Boeing line on Filtvelt is the only real factory in the nation. It would also fit well in their TO&E--allowing for quick deployment to defend against pirate raids.
From the 5/28/11 12pm battlechat:
<Habeas2>: Sarcasmo - At least one unit in the next print TRO is hailing from Filtvelt...
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I'm sure the Protector of the Taurian Concordat would be willing to sell top of the line military hardware to the freedom loving people of the Coalition, after all any enemy of the Davion's is a friend of Taurus.
Then again, the Protector of the Caledron Protectorate could very well be willing to trade.
Just saying hi, and free Sherwood and all that.
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I wouldn't mind Filtvelt taking on Tortuga in a mini-war, maybe even expanding Filtvelt into a bigger and more unique power. I for one don't mind having another Periphery Neighbor on that empty border of space.
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Hey it works for me. They can expand that space between Filtvelt and Torturga by colonization. You know get rid of that pirate element down there and turn it into a respectable place.
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Torturga. You know get rid of that pirate element down there and turn it into a respectable place.
Tortuga IS a respectable place. O:-) They have laws against Murder and Theft. :P ::)
I think we need to work on the definition of respectable ;)
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Tortuga IS a respectable place. O:-) They have laws against favoring Murder and Theft. :P ::)
I think we need to work on the definition of respectable ;)
Fixed that for you
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Fixed that for you
no, they actually DO have laws against Murder and Theft. It was mentioned in one of the Battlecorps stories from memory and Herb has stated that the BC stories are canon.
I just cann't find the reference right now
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Iwas being funny
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I actually found it ammusing and ironic that Pirates would have laws against murder and theft in the first place, even on their home planet. Interestingly enough, that was all that was illegal. All other "crimes" were apparently tollerated.
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Actually if they want to fight against tortuga, what they really need are fighters-- a few modified mules and those retrotech fighters from the OA could be very useful.
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Flitvelt is pretty much one of my top
three four fave periphery states, and we know next to nothing about it. Hmm... wonder what that means
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Well it is one of the longer lasting 'break-away' states. It does stick around for almost 60 years, albeit at a 1/3 of its original size.
Of all the things we could trade for, I really would like to get some of those retro-tech SparrowHawks. There perfect for us!
Also considering the number of 'hidden' SLDF bases there are, I wonder if the never-constructed SLDF fleet yard in the Filtvelt system was just just that, or maybe a cover story to keep it hidden... Though I would prefer a 'mech factory to a ship yard. The Suns would come calling in all about 2 seconds flat for a shipyard...
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Unless it was just DropShips that it built, but those can be built on the ground, excepting the Mammoth.
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Though I would prefer a 'mech factory to a ship yard. The Suns would come calling in all about 2 seconds flat for a shipyard...
Yeah, we still need a replacement for Galax....how about we take the shipyard and give you Crofton? ;)
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No one's giving away Crofton especially until we are sure that it survives the Jihad. There is still one more book to release so who knows.
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Yeah, we still need a replacement for Galax....how about we take the shipyard and give you Crofton? ;)
that sounds like a pretty good deal for all concerned. Can you deliver Crofton by say Thursday next week ?
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Sure, only we need the shipyard up front to inspect the goods.
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I've got some photographs I just took yesterday. It looks fabulous.
Trust me. You are getting the deal of a lifetime ;)
Despatch Crofton without fear or hesitation, you can trust us. [neko]
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Shiny....just sign here... [legal]
(1 jump later)
Wait....what? [metalhealth]
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Bar none the best thing they could do, long run woudl be cut some deal where the coalition could start building civilian jumpships-- even the small models. tanks and mechs let you fight-- but jumpships let you become rich enough to pay other people to fight...
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Shiny....just sign here... [legal]
(1 jump later)
Wait....what? [metalhealth]
You do realize Delavan replaced Galax for dropship and jumpship production.
Bar none the best thing they could do, long run woudl be cut some deal where the coalition could start building civilian jumpships-- even the small models. tanks and mechs let you fight-- but jumpships let you become rich enough to pay other people to fight...
If Filtvelt got a shipyard, it would allow them to probably keep going because that would bring investment from a lot of areas considering shipyards capable of building jumpships became a lot rarer during the Jihad.
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Most of the money brought in would go to defending said shipyard. I would prefer a better vehicle production company then Quickscell setting up shop in Coalition space, but...
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You do realize Delavan replaced Galax for dropship and jumpship production.
I thought Delavan just produced Aurora, Avenger and Buccaneer dropships? Did they get a serious upgrade or something?
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I thought Delavan just produced Aurora, Avenger and Buccaneer dropships? Did they get a serious upgrade or something?
No, that's the Dynamico yards at Delavan. Universal Air which merged with Federated Boeing produced Star Lords and Invader Jumpships at their Delavan shipyards along with KF drives for years before the Jihad. Federated Boeing after the merger then upgraded those yards to produce dropships along with pocket warships as well. Plus, it was also to put out more jumpships. Plus, there is the Challenger System yards which may or may not be useable after the Taurians on Panpour did their pout. And the New Syrtis yards probably will get repaired. Eventually. And the Kathil shipyards eventually get repaired as well according to Sword of Sedition. So shipyards aren't a problem. Ones that could produce warships would be nice though.
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I had a lot of respect for Filtvelt, it was featured very early in Miniature Rules...
(http://battletech.cavaliercavalry.com/images/mrules/MiniatureRules0004.jpg)
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Do banjos count as tools of psychological warfare for the Fitveltians?
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I had a lot of respect for Filtvelt, it was featured very early in Miniature Rules...
Doug, we're fighting...
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Do banjos count as tools of psychological warfare for the Fitveltians?
Only when used as a melee weapon. The washboard, on the other hand is a form of psychological torture
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I had a lot of respect for Filtvelt, it was featured very early in Miniature Rules...
(http://battletech.cavaliercavalry.com/images/mrules/MiniatureRules0004.jpg)
You Sir, have won this thread.
It would be interesting to see further development of Fitvelt. That area isn't being used so getting some new colonies or discovering some lostech or making some primitech factories making low end mechs would be intersting.
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Well as of FR: Periphery Filtvelt is turning out some retro-tech mech designs and we get the nLRM carrier in TRO: Prototypes. I can't wait to see what our mechs look like, I assume they will show up in an upcoming XTRO. This also seems to put us on par with the Space Romans who got their retro-tech Centurion.
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So, going on the Filtvelt sections of FM3085, the main thing to note is that the Thumpers has become a part of the Filtvelt Citizens Militia. I also note that there are big dreams about quality and RCTs, but the reality interferes with those.
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Reality can be like that.
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So, going on the Filtvelt sections of FM3085, the main thing to note is that the Thumpers has become a part of the Filtvelt Citizens Militia. I also note that there are big dreams about quality and RCTs, but the reality interferes with those.
Yes iam seriously surprised that the Fed Suns don't try to reabsorb them during the period of peace between Jihad and Dark Age.
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The DA map shows a significant part of Filtvelt having already rejoined the FS proper so I think things are headed in that direction. However, I wouldn't be surprised that some part of Filtvelt stays independent as long as the leadership and military hold up under the pressure.
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Yes, we do lose quite a bit of our nation to the mother country, that being said, most of the worlds left have the industry of the Coalition. We should also be a lot less pressed to defend our smaller nation with our existent military.
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Yes iam seriously surprised that the Fed Suns don't try to reabsorb them during the period of peace between Jihad and Dark Age.
By the Dark Age, Filtvelt has shrun from 23 worlds to just seven. I'm guessing most of them went over peacefully, probably though economic bribery or plain dissatisfaction with the Trempleau regime
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By the Dark Age, Filtvelt has shrun from 23 worlds to just seven. I'm guessing most of them went over peacefully, probably though economic bribery or plain dissatisfaction with the Trempleau regime
And still my question, why didn't the Sun just finish them off if there just 7 worlds left? I seriously doubt they could stand up to Fed Suns.
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T Fed Suns has bigger fish to worry about like the Dracs, Cappies. Ravens and the RotS. I'm guessing that most (if not all) of the worlds that returned the Fed Suns did so rather peacefully. Bribery and extortion in the form of economic and veiled military threats. Also the FC government probvably could not live up to the potenial of their secession.
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It seems to me that the 7 remaining are the "Big 7" the larger, better worlds, and most likely the ones that agitated more for succession. That being said, they really don't have much to offer the Suns so why face a bitter fought war for so little gain?
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It seems to me that the 7 remaining are the "Big 7" the larger, better worlds, and most likely the ones that agitated more for succession. That being said, they really don't have much to offer the Suns so why face a bitter fought war for so little gain?
Because if you don't crush a rebel movement if festers and can lead to other anti-government groups to get "the wrong idea" and cause more sucession.
And as for bitter fought war, I look at Filtvets military they wouldn't stand much against a couple AFFS RCTs with Warship support.
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I would bet most of the worlds in the Suns are still way better off than the seven of the FC remaining in the 3130s. Besides, they have been independent for some 60 years by 3130, so any "encouragement" at this point is likely moot. I also doubt the Suns would bother sending 2 RCTs and their extremely rare Warships. Let economic/social pressures do the job. Besides, maybe the Suns like having a buffer between them and pirates?
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There are very few problems in the battletech universe that CANNOT be solved by the application of warship support.
Simply look at the TH and the SL.
Killing it with a battleship was like their main method of diplomacy. Or the threat thereof.
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since this seems like the best place to ask.. i've taken a liking to what i've heard of Filtvelt. i'm really tempted to build a force for them. do we know what their military colors are? they don't seem to be on camospecs yet.
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Here (http://www.camospecs.org/Unit.asp?ID=298)
The Thumpers joined the Coalition military, so I assume they kept the same paint job.
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Check the Submissions sub-section. The scheme listed for all three Filtvelt Militia units is thus:
The Militia's shortage of supplies often leaves their equipment in locally-produced black primer, but units with the means have adopted a bright orange as their standard color.
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Ha, I can see not just orange but green and yellow as well.
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Because if you don't crush a rebel movement if festers and can lead to other anti-government groups to get "the wrong idea" and cause more sucession.
And as for bitter fought war, I look at Filtvets military they wouldn't stand much against a couple AFFS RCTs with Warship support.
There are very few problems in the battletech universe that CANNOT be solved by the application of warship support.
Simply look at the TH and the SL.
Killing it with a battleship was like their main method of diplomacy. Or the threat thereof.
The unthinking application of force sure ensured the Hegemony and the Star League's long term survival, right? ^-^
The takeaway point here seems to be that, despite folk wisdom to the contrary, sometimes it's just not worth landing in a regiment or tossing around ortillery. What would crushing the FC and dragging them kicking and screaming back into the Suns actually do? The remaining seven worlds are going to be less useful after an intense war, they're not that useful to begin with, and it's actually an outlet for rather than a cause of secessionism, in some ways.
Sure, the inner sphere is often ruled by megalomaniacs, but the Davions have, historically, been less interested in hegemony just for the sake of it - especially when they can't construct an ideological crusade around it. (And I say that despite their tomfoolery in Concordat space centuries ago - unlike, say, the Cappies, they seem less likely to foster a generational sense of revanchism).
At the very least, conquest by war is less desireable than economic, social, or political options. Consider that the FedCom was achieved through marriage, not through hitting the other guys with warships. Or that initially the Davions didn't fall on either Hegemony OR Republic territory until the other spheroids began it.
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Check the Submissions sub-section. The scheme listed for all three Filtvelt Militia units is thus:
<---------- do you mean something like this? I had Shadowraven do this ages ago it seems
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i suspect the proposal was inspired more by this sort of thing:
(http://images.colourbox.com/thumb_COLOURBOX1692145.jpg)
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i suspect the proposal was inspired more by this sort of thing:
(http://images.colourbox.com/thumb_COLOURBOX1692145.jpg)
A paint scheme for a military created due to having lots of paint that was to be used for construction equipment is pretty cool imo.
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I'm thinking more 'Dukes of Hazzard'.
But yes I have a lance ready to paint (If I ever get to paint again...) Chameleon (from the Academy), Toro, Dervish and Sentry/Watchman. I'd like to get a company built at some point using solid FedSun designs: Enforcer, Centurion, Rifleman and the such. Though if you look at the MUL we do get some decidedly higher tech designs.
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The only other faction that gets the Sagittaire, I've noticed.
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personally i plan to go through my box of plastic Unseen's and give them some of the more davion like ones.. like the Rifleman.. and then eventually bulk out the force with some Vee's and infantry.
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The only other faction that gets the Sagittaire, I've noticed.
On their RAT. I do recall the Outworld Alliance was helping make their lasers. I wouldn't be unreasonable for a few to be found in the AMC in the future.
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On their RAT.
Or on the MUL. I just looked.
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looking at the MUL, i'm going t go with the following lance for the Filtvelt force..
CN9-A Centurion, PHX-1D Phoenix Hawk, WHM-6K Warhammer, HD-2F Hound
i have everything but the Hound. if IWM doesn't add a Hound figure before i get this force built and painted, i'll probably swap it for a Rifleman. maybe a -5D. or a Battlemaster -1D.. either would work. might upgrade the centurion to a CN9-D foundtech model if i do the battlemaster. i like the idea of limiting the amount of advanced tech in the militia forces.. helps give that 'backwater' vibe.
i'll probably go with more advanced vee's though.. light T-bolt carriers and Goblin IST's most likely. with foot infantry platoons.
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hmm.. the MUL doesn't seem to show any, but is it too farfetched to assume that FiltVelt has bought some battlearmor for use by some units?
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Yea, I think it was in one of the JHS books that Filtvelt bought a battalion (or two?) of IS standards through mercenary contacts. I'll look at my notes tonight. There is no reason to think they haven't bought more by now.
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Maybe some old Infiltrator's as well? The Mk I's?
BA barely in name but still....probably could get em cheap from AFFS surplus.
Also, what about the MH Ravager? That thing was fluffed as being on the open market though the road trip to get there and back....
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the lack of MUL mention, and the limited numbers in the source referenced earlier, make me think that Battlarmor in Filtvilt service would be more of a special forces/special unit thing for them.
(speaking of which, what would Filtvelt special forces be called?)
edit:
Filtvelt militia reporting: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,30249.0.html
i had a friend of mine color the Hound image from the MotW to match the description of the militia colors.
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glitterboy2098, i like the way the camo shows in the mech. It makes me remember of this work by LKY13 (http://lky13.deviantart.com/), with the adittion of two white bands to emulate the front of the Reise Reise album of Rammstein.
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/130/1/a/warhammer_ballista_solaris_7_champ_by_lky13-d4zb145.jpg)
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Maybe some old Infiltrator's as well? The Mk I's?
BA barely in name but still....probably could get em cheap from AFFS surplus.
Also, what about the MH Ravager? That thing was fluffed as being on the open market though the road trip to get there and back....
one thought on battlearmor..
the Sloth. by the Dark Ages it apparently is still in use in the RotS, the fedsuns, and merc units.. with indications that production resumed (for some reason..)
since the Sloth is hardly a good design, the best explanation i can think of is that the sloth was being made for export/militia.. even the interdictor model is dirt cheap, and if you set those battle Armor ECM's to ghost target mode you can really screw with an enemy (especially since you have 4 of the things in the unit, and all 4 can be doing different things, according to welshman (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,11730.msg284394.html#msg284394))
add to that the fact the suits could, in an RPG/realworld use, be used as improptu medevac/cargo units with the addition of a few simple external attachment points, and the design looks very plausible for a Filtvelt Battle Armor force. plus, since the suits are piloted instead of worn, one would imagine training people to use them would be easier too.
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sorry for the double post, but i just got Era Report 3145, so i figured i could share some of the great info form it.
going by the mechwarrior RPG section, Filtvelt's main languages are Amerindian (Creek), French, and Hindi.
Illiterate is also one of the first traits listed for Filtvelt characters, so i'm guessing that the education system is still Davion Outback standard levels.. :(
our elected Prime Minister is John Joseph Gardner.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/glitterboy2098/games/battletech/PrimeMinisterGardiner_zpsc60bd8ef.png)
a popular career politician originally from Marielund. he was apparently very popular as the governor of his homeworld (rising up from an early career as a district rep), and got elected Prime Minister on a platform of improving the lives of citizens, and on strengthening cultural ties to the Federated Suns, while retaining political independence. Apparently this was popular enough he was able to get public support for the Thumper's regiment of the Filtvelt Militia to be sent to assist the Federated Suns after the Combine's invasion.
the Coalition's worlds lost since the jihad are listed as having gone peacefully, of their own initiative. but the remaining Filtvelt worlds are described as having been afraid of Fedsuns invasion.. presumably right up until the Fedsuns started getting their rear handed to them by the Cappies and combine.
in regards to battle armor.. IIRC Filtvelt can get stuff off the Periphery general lists, right? so that would make the Infiltrator Mk1, Inner Sphere Standard, and Asterion as the main suits available. with the Upgrade (MRR) of the latter being available as well, plus the Ravager, Marauder, and Spectre. some of the TRO Vehicle annex civilian suits are there too.
using the same lists, the introtech LBX equipped -1R Slayers become the most common heavy aerospace fighter available, alongside the Jihad era Eagle and some Chippewa's. i have to wonder where all those slayers are coming from, maybe when the combine started retiring them, most wound up on the black market?
not really a lot about Filtvelt in Era Report 3145, though there might be some extra stuff i missed in the initial skim.
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The Slayers could be coming from the Taurian Concordat (Wingman) of the Raven Alliance (UOC).
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was looking at the MUL and Sarna, and realized the Slayer -1R isn't an introtech design, but the refit model with the LB10X from just before the clan invasion. i suppose that an AC swap is easy enough to do with the basic SL-15 that they could be from anywhere, but i still have to wonder why it is common enough to show up so many times in the Periphery RAT.
looking at the MUL, i also have to wonder why Filtvelt can make the Light T-bolt Carrier, but doesn't make the baseline Light SRM Carrier it is based on. or why despite the fact the Brokenwheel plant for Quikcell makes Pegasus hovertanks, filtvelt doesn't have access to them.
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started a thread in the design section for Filtvelt variants and new mechs..
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,30517.new.html#new
feel free to add your own takes on the options.. i've uploaded two examples of my ideas.. a Toro and a Dervish.
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Has there been any hints on what the coalition's National Symbol looks like?
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Here you go.
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I thought that was the flag for the planet fitvelt, and not the coalition.
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It's both apparently.
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personally i'd have added stars in a circle around the central dot for the coalition flag. to indicate it is more than just one world.
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Does the Filtvelt Coalition use just there own MUL or do they get to use the periphery general list too?
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Yes to Periphery general.
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Yes to Periphery general.
In Era Report: 3145.
They had their own RAT in FM: 3085.
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I would like to see them put back into production some age of war relics. Like the TR-A-6 Toro, BKX-7K Battleaxe & HMH-3D Hammerhands.
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And the Mackie, can't forget the Mackie!
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I'm surprised we didn't see any primitive Mackies reenter production during the Jihad.
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Besides, they need at least a couple of quality assault mechs so the Thumpers can do their thing. That Mackie-9H the TH had in TRO3075 was a solid assault mech in any era.
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Mackie-9H, the Steiner recon mech of choice.
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No no no, Steiner recons with CGR-1A1s.
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I have mixed feelings about the Prime Minister sending military aid to the federation. Why it would make relationships better, wouldn't it put the coalition in the dragon's cross hairs.
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I have mixed feelings about the Prime Minister sending military aid to the federation. Why it would make relationships better, wouldn't it put the coalition in the dragon's cross hairs.
Coalition is in the Dragon's crosshairs regardless. The Combine pretty much as a cultural institution can't really tolerate the existence of any other state, long term.
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Has there been any information on the Militia's organization? Are there regiment's built kinda of like a LCT?
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Has there been any information on the Militia's organization? Are there regiment's built kinda of like a LCT?
well, FM3145 has a bit of info.. 1st Militia has an LCT type organization, but using company sized elements not battalion sized. which i'd guess means they intergrate more, since that unit is regiment sized. they also gain initiative bonuses when using combined arms so i'd guess they practice combined arms intergration quite seriously.
the other units mentioned (2nd and 3rd militia regiments, the Thumpers) aren't described the same way, but i'd imagine an LCT type combined arms regiment using mechs, Vee's, and infantry is probable. Thumpers are very much mech focused still it seems, and have been expanded a lot since their losses in the jihad period. apparently the thumpers have been the go-to expeditionary force of Filtvelt, with the nation hiring them out to their neighbors for anti-pirate work (apparently they get a lot of news coverage around the sphere.. IMO, the wording implied to me they have a TV show of sorts dedicated to them..), and Filtvelt has been funnelling those funds into expanding and upgrading the unit.
Filtvelt itself is descrivbed as a finacinal and industrial 'powerhouse'.. quikcell is now building most of its range at broken wheel (but still no Scorpions or Vedettes.. odd), and the mech factory is described as being able to produce advanced tech units on par with anyone else, just more slowly. i'd guess our Hound mech is the best that could be built rapidly. there is also a facility within the Coalition making Endo-Steel! :o
and Filtvelt has become a staple of trade for house Davion as well.
i get the feeling that a lot of the products in the Fedsuns are labelled 'made in Filtvelt".. O0
the worlds we lost were due to politics, not invasion.. apparently house Davion honored its promise not to attack, and it was economic issues and propaganda stuff that convinced those worlds to leave Filtvelt for the fedsuns.
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Makes sense.
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It does seem Malgrotta is less than happy we've made our independence stick...
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Are filtvelt still poverty stricken and noneducational stereotyped?
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Nope. Think Caiman Islands of the Periphery
I think that sums it up
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Nope. Think Caiman Islands of the Periphery
I think that sums it up
Ohhhh yea!
Welcome ladies and gentleman to the new and improved Coalition!
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"Prime Minister Berko Okeke forced through tax and spending increases that allowed funding of
primary school construction and staffing, as well as small planetary
universities to be opened on each of the Coalition’s worlds"
Read it and weep, ladies and gents :D
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Looks like the enduring alliance with the CP and the FoR is dong wonders for the FC.
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some other interesting bits..
from the Fedcom Periphery march Militia intro on pg 84
Further unrest has come from the decision to shave equipment from each regiment to
better equip the Filtvelt Citizen Battalions that started arriving on Anjin Muerto early this year.
Marshal Nick Hawthorn has raised his concerns to both Field Marshal Carlton and Duke Marsin,
but has been given little more in response than their expectations that he make the best of a
bad situation.
it looks like Filtvelt is sending a lot more than just the Thumper's out to help the Fedcom.. and they're getting the Fedcom to foot the bill. O0
and on pg 189:
Quikscell on Broken Wheel has expanded its production lines—once devoted primarily to producing the
Pegasus Hover Tank—to manufacture LRM Carriers, SRM Carriers,
Manticore battle tanks, and even APCs of all types.
yikes.. i think Filtvelt pulled a Kowloon here... the days of the "under equipped rag tag militia" seem to have been left long behind..
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Since some people say that the CP is the home of the heart of the TC, does that make the FC the home of the heart of the... older FC? O:-)
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Honestly don't quite get the notation in FM: 3145.
Have we gone DOWN in Mech Strength from 3085 (When we had, notionally, 3 Regiments, 1 Battalion)
Filtvelt seems to be the only faction without a "BattleMech Strength" placer.
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Honestly don't quite get the notation in FM: 3145.
Have we gone DOWN in Mech Strength from 3085 (When we had, notionally, 3 Regiments, 1 Battalion)
Filtvelt seems to be the only faction without a "BattleMech Strength" placer.
I'm fairly confident in saying that is an error, i don't see why this would be the only nation without battlemech strength and FM3145 shows that a 4th Filtvelt Citizens Militia with 3 battalions (not all 'mech though) has been added.
Also, the Thumpers are now called a regiment rather than a battalion so they've increased in size too (although i'm not sure if this increase is in 'mechs).
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the Militia is also said to be combined arms, and the limited descriptions we have indicate a heavy vehicle focus for the militia. only the thumpers seem to have a mainly battlemech focus.
this makes sense actually, when you consider that the quiksell plant on broken Wheel has apparently expanded massively and make manticores, LRM and SRM carriers, and APC's as well as the pegasus scout hovercraft.. but the mech facility is described as having a slow rate of production, though it was upgraded to handle regular mechs.
presumably they've built their militia around local products, and that's mainly going to be Vee's.
and the Thumper's are described as having used the money they got from hiring out to other worlds in anti-pirate campaigns to build up their force, that's why they are a regiment now. and their special trait is being able to use Fedsun's mechs in unit building, unlike the militia's which mainly have combined arms based traits. so odds are the Thumpers are still mostly mech users. though during their jaunt helping the fedsuns apparently they brough along a bunch of volunteers from the coalition as part of a expeditionary militia force.
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Except FM: 3085 said they style their units around RCT lines and it describes the 2nd Militia as
Assigned a specialty by the Coalition High Command, the Second has been drilling extensively in urban combat. The infantry regiments have excelled, but the ’Mech units still have far to go.
Regiments... plural.
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right. combined arms. for an RCT thats at minimum..
124 mechs
372+ vehicles (three regiments)
3360+ infantry (three regiments )
40 aerospace fighters (2 wings)
one battalion artillery
with more vee's, fighters, infantry, and artillery being typical.
of course, 1st militia is described as being an LCT type formation, which would make it:
52 mechs
240 vehicles
and since Filtvelt doesn't use battle armor the battle Armor regiment is likely replaced with multiple regiments of conventional infantry.
in both cases, the mech strength of the force is minimal compared to its over all strength.
and notice is says "infantry regiments".. but only "mech units".. this combined with the LCT description of the 1st militia would support an LCT style organization for all the militia. minimal mech forces, very heavy on vehicles and support units.
as i said.. the evidence supports Filtvelt pulling a Kowloon (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,32787.msg761975.html#msg761975), or as close as you can get in canon Btech.
that said, i've posted up a question in the 'ask the lead developers' section in hopes of getting a definitive answer.: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,33275.msg774516.html#msg774516
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Filtvelt does have some BA. They bought... two battalions (?) back right after independence through mercenary fronts. I can't remember an exact source, but it's in one of the JHS books.
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Plus were they not listed as Spectre users? Throw on the 'BA' for third rate factions also includes PA(L) suits, specifically industrial ones, then you have more options . . .
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i just can't see them fielding multiple regiments of it as a standard infantry approach, the way the Davions do. special forces type roles? sure. support formations for regular infantry battalions? maybe. replacing conventional infantry? i doubt it.
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Oh I agree. I would expect it to butress conventional infantry as support formations and attached to specific, special units. Perhaps like Niops as well, where it protects important installations.
Oh And I think it was Inner Sphere Standard for what the purchased.
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and we have an answer to the organizational question.. or at least half of one..
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,33275.msg774516.html#msg774516
looks like Light Combat Teams (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Inner_Sphere_military_structure#Light_Combat_Team) are what the militia organization is similar to..
so probably about a battalion of mechs, a reinforced regiment of Vee's, artillery support, and (by the mention in the FM) a couple regiments of conventional infantry.
if i had to guess, the mech units would be mostly filtvelt built units (Hounds, Toro's, Dervish's) in the militia, with a few of the former Davion units from before independance scattered around.
the Vehicle units would be companies of Manticore MBT's supported by Cavalry units of Pegasus Hovertanks, with fire support provided by LRM and SRM carriers. the exact mix would likely vary.
Infantry i'd imagine would be a blend of foot, motor, and mechanized.. probably using the basic APC's and Heavy APC's quiksell makes, as well as locally made light vehicles. i'd imagine most are rifle or MG platoons, with some SRM support. can't see them being too fancy with infantry, even if they are rich now.
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I get the impression there's quite a bit of trade between the FC, Randis, CP, and Fronc Reaches, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them fielding at least small quantities of anything produced in those states. Maybe the TC, MoC and MH too.
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I could go for some Hawk Wolfs!
But yea, as an emergent power with a seeming good economic base, I could see almost anything not DCMS or CCAF in their forces. I would reject Sea Fox's visiting out of hand either.
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looks like Light Combat Teams (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Inner_Sphere_military_structure#Light_Combat_Team) are what the militia organization is similar to..
so probably about a battalion of mechs, a reinforced regiment of Vee's, artillery support, and (by the mention in the FM) a couple regiments of conventional infantry.
Given FM3085 has Filtvelt at 3 regiments and 1 battalion battlemech strength and FM3145, although not listing battlemech strength at all, seems to portray the nation as improving in wealth and influence despite losing some planets i think a battalion of 'mechs is far too low. It would also seem low compared to other nations like the Fronc Reaches.
edit: or are you just referring to organisation?
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Well, a battalion for each Militia command, plus The Thumpers would give us two and change. I don't think it would be out of bounds for 3 regiments.
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I get the impression there's quite a bit of trade between the FC, Randis, CP, and Fronc Reaches, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them fielding at least small quantities of anything produced in those states. Maybe the TC, MoC and MH too.
so Periphery General is available, with the occasional national specific unit from a generation or two prior being not impossible? sounds like a good idea.
i do think though that the Vehicle units are going to be mostly Quiksell products.. why else mention that the broken wheel plant was upgraded and expanded? plus look at the units mentioned. manticore's are some of the best cheap MBT's in the game, you have LRM and SRM carriers for support, Pegasus hover's for cavalry/scouting, and APC's for shlepping infantry around. about the only types not really covered is VTOL units and long range artillery. and frankly, i would not be surprised ot find out some introtech VTOL's and towed light artillery systems are being made there but not mentioned.
Well, a battalion for each Militia command, plus The Thumpers would give us two and change. I don't think it would be out of bounds for 3 regiments.
reinforced battalions for a fedcom LCT, so close to 3 regiments worth total isn't too hard. especially if you figure the various corporations in the coalition would likely have small merc units for site security that could be seconded/hired into national service.
keep in mind the coalition didn't really inherit many mechs to start with (thus why they hired the Thumpers), and their own mech factory is described by FM3145 as being 'slow' to produce new mechs. odds are attrition would keep them from expanding their mech forces much domestically, and with the Thumpers absorbing most of the funds for buying new ones from outside..
on the otherhand their non-mech forces seem to be much much larger.. and certainly better equipped.
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Well, a battalion for each Militia command, plus The Thumpers would give us two and change. I don't think it would be out of bounds for 3 regiments.
Except that FM3085 says over 3 regiments of 'mechs and FM3145 shows that Filtvelt is now better off. If FM3085 is correct i'd expect the missing battlemech strength in FM3145 to have them at around five regiments of 'mechs which is more than Fronc but still less than the more major periphery states. Just an opinion but i really don't see them having less than three regiments of 'mechs given the information we have.
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Except that FM3085 says over 3 regiments of 'mechs and FM3145 shows that Filtvelt is now better off. If FM3085 is correct i'd expect the missing battlemech strength in FM3145 to have them at around five regiments of 'mechs which is more than Fronc but still less than the more major periphery states. Just an opinion but i really don't see them having less than three regiments of 'mechs given the information we have.
better off finacially.. but remember FASAnomics. plus their armor formations are many orders of magnitude better equipped now.. Tanks (especially really good tanks like manticores) can make a huge difference, even if the mech forces don't expand.
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Given FM3085 has Filtvelt at 3 regiments and 1 battalion battlemech strength and FM3145, although not listing battlemech strength at all, seems to portray the nation as improving in wealth and influence despite losing some planets i think a battalion of 'mechs is far too low. It would also seem low compared to other nations like the Fronc Reaches.
edit: or are you just referring to organisation?
10 battalions, hmm?
subtracting out The Thumpers leaves 7. There's 4 FCM units. That divides out to roughly 5 companies of mechs apiece. There's one extra company to be parted out. Pretty consistent with the LCT scheme, if on the higher end for mechs per unit, which I wouldn't have expected.
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Well, do not forget some of their strength has been leeched for the expeditionary forces to the FedSuns. Some of that could be mech equipped, though definitely not as many as the vehicle units.
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better off finacially.. but remember FASAnomics. plus their armor formations are many orders of magnitude better equipped now.. Tanks (especially really good tanks like manticores) can make a huge difference, even if the mech forces don't expand.
FASAnomics is why i compared Filtvelt to other nations and going by comparison under 3 regiments of 'mechs is far too low, that would put them below the strength of the Fronc Reaches and bottom of 'mech strength for the larger periphery nations. Given the write-ups of the two nations that just doesn't seem to fit. Given battlemech strength seems to have been left out maybe this could be answered in ask the writers?
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keep in mind.. 3 regiments of mechs, but something like 6+ regiments of some very effective combat vehicles. most other nations the size of Filtvelt don't have much in the way of vehicles for frontline use, much less absolute beasts like the Manticore heavy tank or the LRM and SRM carriers. i mean, shoot.. a 3025 era manticore is a grand dragon on treads (just with better armor!).. and the upgrade versions are even nastier.
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Folks of Fitvelt, do we have any information on paint schemes used by the regulars, or by the militia? Many thanks!
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The only thing I could find was the white on purple symbol for the Thumpers Assault unit. Some fan ones have them in tiger stripe orange.
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The Militia‘s shortage of supplies often leaves their equipment in locally-produced black primer, but units with the means have adopted a bright orange as their standard color. - Camospecs
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i copied this from one of the sourcebooks to post in an old thread, but darned if i can find it again right now, IIRC it was a pre-dark age era work so this represents the earlier days of the Militia.
The Militia's shortage of supplies often leaves their equipment in locally-produced black primer, but units with the means have adopted a bright orange as their standard color.
my current Icon is a Hound in Militia colors, TRO art with colors by a friend.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49285639867_d9259384d0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i6cMDv)
kevarin_hound_filtvelt_militia (https://flic.kr/p/2i6cMDv) by Mark Temple (https://www.flickr.com/photos/121965117@N06/), on Flickr
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Thanks! Well, if I do that, it'll be colourful ... the Thumpers favour yellow & black trim.
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Basically, all the Filtvelt military equipment is painted up like like construction machinery and/or firetrucks. ;D
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So I have my battalion planned. Looking for an excuse to buy some Skytrex Action 200 (1:200 scale minis), so a platoon of Chieftans as Rommels, and a platoon of M60A2s (the 'Starship') as Pattons, plus a platoon of Ranger VV1s for the armour. The 'Mechs are already put aside.
I'll be going the 3rd Filtvelt Defenders - a nice little comment to the effect that they're organised for combined arms at the company level. So justifies a nice organisation with lance of 'Mechs, platoon of armour, platoon of vehicles.
Must do some proof of concepts to get the right orange - not sure to go base drab orange with brighter highlights, or base brighter orange with drab highlights.
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What mechs are you using btw?
Right now, I could field a Filtvelt 3145 expeditionary force if I wanted to . . . hmm, and might for a pick up game!
Hound
Hawkwolf
Hetzer
Hetzer
and maybe some J Edgars for giggles . . . unfortunately, they will all be forest camo or primer.
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Since you have a “H” theme going, you could add a Hornet (HNT-182 model) - this was initially a major refit but could possibly be in production (see TRO Republic Vol II)
Filtvelt is at least refitting or even producing Javelins too (JVN-11P model) TRO:3145 NTNU.
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What mechs are you using btw?
I'm using up minis I already have in my strategic reserve - trying to run them down before the KS minis arrive. Old minis look somewhat anaemic next to the new GoAC minis. So I've got:
Charger
Banshee
Archer
Jagermech
Shadow Hawk
Hatchetman
Quickdraw
Whitworth
Locust
Assassin
Cicada
Clint
Filtvelt has all these at Early Republic era, I just need to work out the variants so I can mod the minis. Whitworth, for instance, is going to be the WTH-1H RL carrier version.
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Heh, I LOVE the WTH-1H . . . my mercs managed to salvage a -1S that was pretty chewed up and it was cheaper to put it back together as a -1H, which makes it a good trainer & guard. Any Thunderbolt toting variants of those?
No Hound?
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97Jedi and I were trying for something a bit less “Dukes of Filtvelt” but that didn’t seem to go through. It was Blue-Grey with red trim.