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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #90 on: 28 October 2015, 03:46:05 »
I kills it with my battleships.

Rigas aren't escorts. They're accessories.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #91 on: 28 October 2015, 09:38:29 »
I kills it with my battleships.

Rigas aren't escorts. They're accessories.

My mental image is of a Riga/York mini painted up like an overpriced handbag, with a ginormous Space Chihuahua sitting on the flight deck.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #92 on: 28 October 2015, 22:22:27 »
McKennas outnumber all of the other LF cruisers put together. There were 80 Riga IIs? 20 LF Monsoons and honestly they are badly dated by the time Luxors are serving. 
All true,  but I didn't want 4 McKenna's escorted by 1 Riga & an Aegis.
And really, I figure a lot of McKennas are off being teamed up w/ Texas Class & other big gun boats as Line Squadrons.

Star League answer - I escort my McKennas with more McKennas?
Its kind of disturbing,  and cool,  that the most powerful ship in the fleet is also in the top 5 for sheer #'s produced, IIRC.
I mean, off the top of my head,  larger #'s than the 250-260? McKenna are .......... Vincent, Lola, & SovSoy for sure.  Maybe Essex, Congress, & Quixote as possibles since I don't recall their figures for sure w/o a book.
Other than that, I think everything was in the 2-digit range for production #'s.

You probably had "Groups" of Pure ships for the main 3 above, & maybe the McKenna.  Everyone else was added in 1-2's to fill out rest.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #93 on: 23 August 2019, 21:13:35 »
I have so many questions!


Did Riga 1 and Riga ii both make it to the exodus?

During the wars of reaving the burrocks reactivated a riga which has been cached.

So did all Riga ii get converted to York’s?

Did all Riga block I get mothballed?

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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #94 on: 24 August 2019, 01:32:17 »
The Riga's were given out to member states of the Star League, the Rimworld Navy had 50 odd of them. And replacing the Riga I with the Congress makes NO sense, as the Congress is an inferior ship.

The Riga II appears to be a new built design, probably because of the Lithium Fusion battery which the ship would need to be built round rather than having it installed. You'd also have to sort out the internals to fit the larger aerospace group etc.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #95 on: 24 August 2019, 01:48:27 »
The Riga's were given out to member states of the Star League, the Rimworld Navy had 50 odd of them. And replacing the Riga I with the Congress makes NO sense, as the Congress is an inferior ship.

The Riga I was actually retired in favor of the Soyuz.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #96 on: 24 August 2019, 02:41:12 »
Rigas are a pre Reunification War frigate.

Congress are a post Reunification War frigate which hadn't absorbed the lessons of the war yet. It was the last SLDF frigate. It replaces the Quixote. There was also a better armed Davion version.

The Sov Soy was a 2700s cruiser that ignored the existing SLDF cruiser doctrine. It replaces the Riga.

The Riga II was a 2700s destroyer. It was the only SLDF destroyer with a LF battery docking collars and reversed the usual SLDF destroyer doctrine by having armour in favour of weapons and short ranged combat. The speculation is that they are affordable escorts to keep McKennas at extreme ranges.

Yorks are modified Riga IIs. Later new ones were built.

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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #97 on: 24 August 2019, 04:51:07 »
Congress are a post Reunification War frigate which hadn't absorbed the lessons of the war yet. It was the last SLDF frigate. It replaces the Quixote. There was also a better armed Davion version.

The Congress was introduced in 2542, a good 30 years before the Reunification War.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #98 on: 24 August 2019, 06:25:38 »
Rigas are a pre Reunification War frigate.

Congress are a post Reunification War frigate which hadn't absorbed the lessons of the war yet. It was the last SLDF frigate. It replaces the Quixote. There was also a better armed Davion version.

The Sov Soy was a 2700s cruiser that ignored the existing SLDF cruiser doctrine. It replaces the Riga.


The ship which started my questions was the Hetherington  which you can read about here: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hetherington

So how did that Riga stay a riga all the way till the current era?

It seemed to be in fine working order

Also had the ship survived is it a no brainer to convert it to the York?


The Riga II was a 2700s destroyer. It was the only SLDF destroyer with a LF battery docking collars and reversed the usual SLDF destroyer doctrine by having armour in favour of weapons and short ranged combat. The speculation is that they are affordable escorts to keep McKennas at extreme ranges.

Yorks are modified Riga IIs. Later new ones were built.

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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #99 on: 24 August 2019, 08:24:47 »
The Congress was introduced in 2542, a good 30 years before the Reunification War.

Well there you go. Pre Reunification War so even more conceptually suspect.


The ship which started my questions was the Hetherington  which you can read about here: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hetherington

So how did that Riga stay a riga all the way till the current era?

It seemed to be in fine working order

Also had the ship survived is it a no brainer to convert it to the York?



Totally different ship. Hetherington is a Riga Class Frigate.

The York class is based on the Riga II class destroyer.

The only connection between the two is the name.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Riga_(WarShip_class)

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Riga_II

Note Sarna is using the wrong art for the Riga II because Field Report 2765: Periphery stuffed up.

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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #100 on: 24 August 2019, 09:13:51 »
Well there you go. Pre Reunification War so even more conceptually suspect.

Totally different ship. Hetherington is a Riga Class Frigate.

The York class is based on the Riga II class destroyer.

The only connection between the two is the name.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Riga_(WarShip_class)

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Riga_II

Note Sarna is using the wrong art for the Riga II because Field Report 2765: Periphery stuffed up.

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Ah ha!  Thank you!!! So more Riga 1 could be kicking around?

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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #101 on: 24 August 2019, 14:29:18 »
Ah ha!  Thank you!!! So more Riga 1 could be kicking around?

Kicking around would probably be the wrong term, but there may be other Riga Is in clan naval caches.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #102 on: 24 August 2019, 17:38:34 »
Ah ha!  Thank you!!! So more Riga 1 could be kicking around?
The last sign of a Riga I Class ship, was Word of Blake was using one if i'm not mistaken was in Jihad Turning Points: New Avalon.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #103 on: 24 August 2019, 18:22:07 »
Kicking around would probably be the wrong term, but there may be other Riga Is in clan naval caches.

Right. From
What I can gather the Riga’s were very useful ships why cache them? Aren’t they superior to an Essex or Vincent ?

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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #104 on: 24 August 2019, 18:36:49 »
Right. From
What I can gather the Riga’s were very useful ships why cache them? Aren’t they superior to an Essex or Vincent ?
Maybe Essex I and Mk39 Vincents.

Problem is that they simply didn't exist in canon (written) until later, so writers had come up for reason why they weren't in use.  Faulty design, etc.
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #105 on: 24 August 2019, 18:36:56 »
Right. From
What I can gather the Riga’s were very useful ships why cache them? Aren’t they superior to an Essex or Vincent ?

Rigas were already out of service when the Amaris Coup began (any examples in the Exodus would have been either captured vessels originally sold to the Rim Worlds Fleet or reactivated from the SLDF's massive reserve fleet).

And the rules don't really address this, but age is a factor. Ships wear out. Even if they're properly cared for in long terms storage, there's going to be problems. Ultimately, the Rigas were older than most of the rest of the ships in the fleet, that means putting them back into service would take a lot more work than a more modern hull.

In a way, even the Aegis was a younger ship, having been extensively rebuilt before the Reunification War and in continuous service with additional refits afterwards. Even if the stats aren't changed, bringing the Rigas up to full snuff would probably be on that level. It would be a major project given the Clans' relatively limited naval infrastructure. And the clans had alternatives lying around, far more than they could properly utilize. Hence the naval caches.

(there's also something to be said for standardizing to a smaller number of different hulls to reduce your logistical tail)

For the Word of Blake, they needed a lot of ships quickly, so they couldn't really pick and choose, they had to put in the extra work to get the old relics up to snuff.  Hence, the Rigas got to come back along with many other classic designs.

For a Clan to bust out an old Riga, they'd need to have a pressing need to justify the expense of restoring it, along with a lack of alternatives that could do the job (if not as well, then at least well enough without requiring as much work). Since the naval caches are almost empty now, this might be a pretty good time for it. 
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #106 on: 26 August 2019, 09:04:43 »
And the rules don't really address this, but age is a factor. Ships wear out. Even if they're properly cared for in long terms storage, there's going to be problems. Ultimately, the Rigas were older than most of the rest of the ships in the fleet, that means putting them back into service would take a lot more work than a more modern hull.

In a way, even the Aegis was a younger ship, having been extensively rebuilt before the Reunification War and in continuous service with additional refits afterwards. Even if the stats aren't changed, bringing the Rigas up to full snuff would probably be on that level. It would be a major project given the Clans' relatively limited naval infrastructure. And the clans had alternatives lying around, far more than they could properly utilize. Hence the naval caches.

(there's also something to be said for standardizing to a smaller number of different hulls to reduce your logistical tail)

For the Word of Blake, they needed a lot of ships quickly, so they couldn't really pick and choose, they had to put in the extra work to get the old relics up to snuff.  Hence, the Rigas got to come back along with many other classic designs.

Building on the first comment it's also possible that the SLDF Navy treated their Ghost Fleet as a source of spare parts. If an Aegis needed seventeen new hatchways that were also present on retired Rigas, it makes sense for the Quartermaster Corps to pull the parts off of the Rigas to get the hatchways out there ASAP.

If you want to see a possible real world example of what Liam's Ghost is talking about, look into the history of the USS Midway. That aircraft carrier was laid down in WW2 and served until 1992. It had several Service Life Extension Programs run on it to increase its useful life. Or look into the U.S. Army's RESET programs that rebuild M1 Abrams. That's an even more extreme example that basically disassembles the tank and rebuilds it from scratch. A SLEP isn't quite that intense, usually, but the size of the ship and the fact that you're working on older gear, makes for a long overhaul process.


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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #107 on: 27 August 2019, 05:31:38 »
The Hegemony/SLDF fleet is a mess, the 3057 designs tend to make little sense, the Sov Soy forgets the ships that came before it (because they didn't exist) and is a morbidly obesce frigate that bribed Admirals into saying it was a cruiser. The Congress is an inferior vessel to the Riga I, the Farragut was retired for no good reason whilst they kept the Aegis around for centuries (the survivors in the current era will be getting on for 800 years old at this rate).
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Re: WSotW - Riga II / York
« Reply #108 on: 27 August 2019, 11:30:38 »
The Hegemony/SLDF fleet is a mess, the 3057 designs tend to make little sense, the Sov Soy forgets the ships that came before it (because they didn't exist) and is a morbidly obesce frigate that bribed Admirals into saying it was a cruiser. The Congress is an inferior vessel to the Riga I, the Farragut was retired for no good reason whilst they kept the Aegis around for centuries (the survivors in the current era will be getting on for 800 years old at this rate).

I love the Farragut!! Here is hoping that more examples will be “ found” in the homeworlds

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