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Weight Budget Challenge
« on: 01 April 2024, 20:55:38 »
You have fifteen tons to spend, may use any SINGLE tech base, the unit needs to be 'balanced' across three axes:

Firepower
Speed
Protection

That is, you either have to average out across those three axes, or you have to sacrifice one or two to support the third.

It also needs to be useful.

good luck.
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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #1 on: 01 April 2024, 21:08:33 »
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Light Attack VTOL (ERML)
Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 85 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 129.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 194.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 ER Medium Laser
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 633,750 C-bills
Type: Light Attack VTOL
Technology Base: Clan (Advanced)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 869
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 1.5
Engine 85 Fusion 4
     Cruising MP: 12
     Flanking MP: 18
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 1
Lift Equipment: 1.5
Power Amplifier: 0
Turret: 0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro): 86 4.5
Internal
Structure Armor
Value
Front 2 20
R/L Side 2/2 20/20
Rear 2 10
Rotor 2 2
Turret 2 14
Weapons
and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
2 ER Medium Laser Turret 2 2

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #2 on: 01 April 2024, 21:28:34 »
I was toying with my own "Inner Sphere and Periphery collapse after the Star league does" timeline and this is one of the seeral designs I've done for it.

The Yari is one of the most prolific of the Luthien Empire's Combat Vehicles, able to be found in considerable numbers in any planetary garrison with the tech level to produce it.

With the Empire greatly reduced in size from the bygone days of the Combine of the Star League, the post-Shattering Combine Successor has attempted many times to develop its many worlds to agreeable levels to lessen the strain on the Black Pearl which was both the Bureaucratic Capital as well as the EMpire's primary manufacturing center.

The Yari can best be described as a Light PPC attached to a housing, wheels, engine and cockpit. Needing only one Operator, the Yari can be deployed by the numbers in defensive actions where it excels in supporting the Empire's Samurai when the perfidious enemies of the Dragon bring the fight to it's shores. Many yari Operators do not make it back to their families, but without them many worlds would have fallen.

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Yari Wheeled LPPC Carrier

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: 40 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Light PPC
     1 Vehicular Grenade Launcher
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: XXXX
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E
Cost: 280,575 C-bills

Type: Yari Wheeled LPPC Carrier
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 250

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        40 Fuel Cell          1.5
Cruising MP: 4
Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   5                       4
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.5
Armor Factor                  48                      3

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         15   
     R/L Side               2/2      12/12   
     Rear                    2         9     


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
Vehicular Grenade Launcher    Front        0.5     
Light PPC                     Front        3.0     


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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #3 on: 02 April 2024, 03:25:30 »
I like my fusion "Light Scorpion" for this one: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=79328.msg1892246#msg1892246

It's 5/8, has 4 tons of armor, mounts a Light PPC and Small Pulse Laser in the turret, AND carries a squad of infantry.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #4 on: 02 April 2024, 03:51:09 »
The Honey Badger is the epitome of single person tank warfare.  Admittedly the 120XL fusionengine pushes the price tag of this mini myrmidon up to nearly match the price of it's big brother but as a one man fast attack track it has few peers.  Able to easily outpace most walkers and other tracks, keeping pace with the iconic Locust battlemech whilst fully 1/3rd high tech HFF armour the Honey Badger is a tough little cookie with an LPPC giving it a nasty nip for it's size.  Should infantry or warcrimes be the flavour of the day, the ER Flamer takes plasma right from the fusion reactor and sprinkles it over the offending fleshy bits or flammable items until they are nice and crispy.  Coming fully assembled in a single, stackable, quick open crate these little beasts can fit in relatively small cargo bays.  The Mark VII Landing Craft can almost perfectly fit 2 Honey Badgers in it's 31T cargo bay allowing for effective armour deployment from deceptively small vehicles.

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Honey Badger DGAF-001

Mass: 15 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 1,060,875 C-Bills
Total Cost: 1,060,875 C-Bills
Battle Value: 519

Power Plant:  120 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 86.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 129.6 km/h
Armor:  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Light PPC
    1  ER Flamer
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                1.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             120                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  8
    Flank MP:   12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV -  92                  5.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     22       
                                          Left/Right   18/18       
                                              Turret     20       
                                                Rear     14       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Light PPC                                    T         5         1         3.00
ER Flamer                                    T         4         1         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 5
8t         1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/1)


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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #5 on: 02 April 2024, 04:48:13 »
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Polistes Light VTOL (Prototype)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 55 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Ferro-Lamellor
Armament:
     2 ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-E
Cost: 768,750 C-bills

Type: Polistes Light VTOL
Technology Base: Clan (Advanced)
Movement Type: VTOL
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 798

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        55 Fusion             2.5
Cruising MP: 10
Flank MP: 15
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Lift Equipment:                                     1.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro-Lamellor) 84                      6

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         18   
     R/L Side               2/2      16/16   
     Rear                    2         16   
     Turret                  2         16   
     Rotor                   2         2     


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
2 ER Medium Laser      Turret       2.0     


The principle of design is simple - to survives against an AC/20 shot. While you will know that rotor hit on the rotor with Ferro-Lamellor does reduces the cruising MP, but I did not choose ferro-lamellor because I was intended to protect rotor part; I want each of its part to be withstand an AC/20, or two AC/10 or PPC shots and keep its internal undamaged, for it is impossible to put at least 20 armor point on all five parts other than rotor, that needs at least 102 maximum armor point which is unlocked on 17 tons.


I expect this to be harrassing the enemy from medium distance, keep aim for the rear thanks to its mobility and turret on it, as well as good speed that grants high to hit modifier against its attacker. Also since it is not possible to end it directly by an AC/20 hit, to end it easily the opponent needs to bring the pulse lasers to punch through the armor, or keep shooting the LB-X shots to reduce its cruising speed and end it on the next turn. Perhaps it would be fallen, eventually. But I expect that it would buying enough time for its cheap cost, and make it the annoyance that always think twice before attempt to attack it first.

Note that it only needs the Standard Fusion Engine. If you want slightly more coins, you can swap its engine to the XL variant, and also add it a Targeting Computer for more accurated shots.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #6 on: 02 April 2024, 08:28:57 »
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Polistes Light VTOL (Casemate)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 40 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 97.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 151.2 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Large Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 555,000 C-bills

Type: Polistes Light VTOL
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Movement Type: VTOL
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 780

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        40 Fusion             1.5
Cruising MP: 9
Flank MP: 14
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Lift Equipment:                                     1.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          67                    3.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         20   
     R/L Side               2/2      20/20   
     Rear                    2         5     
     Rotor                   2         2     


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
Large Pulse Laser      Front        6.0     


An alternative, that is resemble Yellow Jacket. It removes the turret and changed the guns to the fixed LPL, the only weapon it has, while change the armor to FF and plate it with 20 armor on every parts except for rotor and rear. Its supposed role is same as Yellow Jacket - to engage the enemy afar and provide support fire. I suppose that it should face the enemy all the times and always needs to move backward if the enemy is near, so I sacrifice the rear armor for this although it would be its weak spot. If I could put a XL engine then it would be covered, though, but I was wanted to going it cheap as I could although I think that a standard fusion engine would be fine.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #7 on: 02 April 2024, 08:33:41 »
Like the ancient Roman unit it's named after, the Velites is meant to circle enemy formations to whittle them down and harass outlier forces.
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Velites VTOL

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: VTOL
Power Plant: 70 Light
Cruising Speed: 118.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 183.6 kph
Armor: Reflective
Armament:
     1 Light PPC
     2 ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3075
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-F-E
Cost: 855,000 C-bills

Type: Velites VTOL
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: VTOL
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 621

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        70 Light              2.5
Cruising MP: 11
Flank MP: 17
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Lift Equipment:                                     1.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Reflective)     48                      3

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         11   
     R/L Side               2/2       9/9   
     Rear                    2         8     
     Turret                  2         9     
     Rotor                   2         2     


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
Targeting Computer       BD         1.0     
2 ER Small Laser       Turret       1.0     
Light PPC              Turret       3.0     




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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #8 on: 02 April 2024, 14:53:12 »
Started playing around with this before looking at the other designs…and basically recreated the Yari and Light Scorpion with minor variations.  Gonna need to think on this.
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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #9 on: 02 April 2024, 17:08:48 »
I like the Honey Badger, but I can get two Light Scorpions for the price and have enough left over to buy the embarked Infantry units... ;)

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #10 on: 02 April 2024, 22:03:42 »
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LVT-11 IFV
Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Medium X-Pulse Laser
     1 Small X-Pulse Laser
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 397,900 C-bills
Type: LVT-11
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 404
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 1.5
Engine 75 Fusion 3
     Cruising MP: 5
     Flanking MP: 8
Heat Sinks: 10 0
Control Equipment: 1
Power Amplifier: 0
Turret: 0.5
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro): 69 3.5
Internal
Structure Armor
Value
Front 2 15
R/L Side 2/2 15/15
Rear 2 10
Turret 2 14
Weapons
and Ammo Location Critical Tonnage
Combat Vehicle Chassis (Fully Amphibious) Mod Body 0 1.5
Small X-Pulse Laser Turret 1 1
Medium X-Pulse Laser Turret 1 2
Infantry Body 1 1
Since everyone's doing VTOLs and tankettes now I'll mix it up.  Here's an IFV, decent (for its size) firepower and capacity for a squad.  Daryk's Scorpion tank handily outranges it, so this thing's main distinguishing feature is its Fully Amphibious chassis mod, which makes it deceptively mobile and one of the rare vehicles that can traverse rivers.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #11 on: 03 April 2024, 03:05:08 »
And now for something completely different.

Edit: couple things got cut off, like the chassis mod is a flotation hull.  XPL-S handles anti armor and antipersonnel duties, torps for subs and ships, sprayer for fighting fires.  Infantry is a boarding party.  Still needs a searchlight, though.

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Puffin GEV Cutter

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Wing in Ground Effect
Power Plant: 60 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Small X-Pulse Laser
     1 SRT 2
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3100
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 523,000 C-bills

Type: Puffin GEV
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Wing in Ground Effect
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 230

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        60 Fusion             2.5
Cruising MP: 7
Flank MP: 11
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Lift Equipment:                                     1.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  40                    2.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         8     
     R/L Side               2/2       8/8   
     Rear                    2         8     
     Turret                  2         8     


Weapons
and Ammo                     Location    Tonnage   
SRT 2                         Front        1.0     
Small X-Pulse Laser           Turret       1.0     
Sprayer                       Turret      0.015   
SRT 2 Ammo (50)                Body        1.0     
CASE                           Body        0.5     
Liquid Storage (0.5 tons)      Body        0.5     
Combat Vehicle Chassis Mod     Body        0.0     
Infantry                       Body        1.0     

« Last Edit: 03 April 2024, 03:24:56 by Giovanni Blasini »
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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #12 on: 03 April 2024, 03:15:37 »
When the Star League decided they didn't have enough tanks...

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LT-39A Light battle tank

Mass: 15 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/E-F-E-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 613,525 C-Bills
Battle Value: 447

Power Plant:  75 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor:  Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Large Laser
    1  Small Pulse Laser
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                1.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine              75                       1.50
    Cruise MP:  5
    Flank MP:   8
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV -  80                  4.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     20       
                                          Left/Right   17/17       
                                              Turret     16       
                                                Rear     10       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Small Pulse Laser                            FR        2         1         1.00
Large Laser                                  T         8         1         5.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 4
5t         2       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/0)

PuppyLikesLaserPointers

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #13 on: 03 April 2024, 03:36:59 »
But it can't be helped. On this ultralight level, the only thing that even attempt to fulfill at least two roles while make it cheap is VTOL. Regardless how good it is, non-VTOL are expected be inferior to VTOLs at this level. To compare with 15 tons VTOLs those ground vehicles are should be at least 25 to 40 tons, I think. Only after then they may compete with VTOLs by its speed.


That said, although it's obvious that OP wants the VTOL, but if other than VTOL then what I think are;

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Diabolicus Line Tank (Prototype)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Hardened
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     1 Small Pulse Laser
     1 Small X-Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E
Cost: 367,425 C-bills

Type: Diabolicus Line Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 439

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fusion               3
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Hardened)       48                      6

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         11   
     R/L Side               2/2      10/10   
     Rear                    2         6     
     Turret                  2         11   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret       1.0     
Small Pulse Laser      Turret       1.0     
ER Medium Laser        Turret       1.0     


Unlike VTOLs, which can enjoy its speed and able to fly over the terrain, tracked vehicles have lesser demand for the same level of protection on its back. Also it can take hardened armor too. Although it is not fast, but that's all I could without choose a VTOL instead. And it can withstand an AC/20 hit, which is not bad. All the weapons are energy based so it never fear for the ammunition explosion.

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Diabolicus Line Tank (Production)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     1 Small Pulse Laser
     1 Small X-Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 416,300 C-bills

Type: Diabolicus Line Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 451

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fusion               3
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    89                    4.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         20   
     R/L Side               2/2      20/20   
     Rear                    2         9     
     Turret                  2         20   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch           Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch          Front        0.0     
Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret       1.0     
Recon Camera           Turret       0.5     
Small Pulse Laser      Turret       1.0     
ER Medium Laser        Turret       1.0     
Targeting Computer       BD         1.0     


But, if you could leave the rear armor weak, it does not have to be hardened, is it?

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Diabolicus Line Tank (Insulated)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 ER Medium Laser
     1 Small X-Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 477,250 C-bills

Type: Diabolicus Line Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 487

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fusion               3
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    89                    4.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         20   
     R/L Side               2/2      20/20   
     Rear                    2         9     
     Turret                  2         20   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch           Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch          Front        0.0     
Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret       1.0     
3 Laser Insulator      Turret       1.5     
2 ER Medium Laser      Turret       2.0     


If you want two ER medium lasers but don't want to give up the anti infantry weapon then it's the option. Since laser insulator have very small chance to malfunction, it won't be a problem for the most times.

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Diabolicus Line Tank (Ram)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Hardened
Armament:
     3 Small X-Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E
Cost: 328,325 C-bills

Type: Diabolicus Line Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 395

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fusion               3
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Hardened)       48                      6

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         10   
     R/L Side               2/2      10/10   
     Rear                    2         8     
     Turret                  2         10   


Weapons
and Ammo                Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch             Rear        0.0     
Trailer Hitch            Front        0.0     
3 Small X-Pulse Laser    Turret       3.0     


That is a variant for the fight in the urban area, largely based on prototype.



Cavgunner

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #14 on: 06 April 2024, 23:42:32 »
"Armadillo" Light Tank (Scorpion Empire)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 Machine Gun
     1 Large Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 719,325 C-bills

Overview
The Armadillo is a new ultra-light tank currently being evaluated by the Scorpion Empire. It is envisioned as a replacement for the variety of light Spheroid garrison tanks still lingering in the Empire's motor pools. This includes the Scorpion light tank itself, which is, ironically, widely considered to be unworthy of bearing the name of the Goliath Scorpion totem animal.

Capabilities
The Armadillo utilizes Clan technologies to squeeze as much capability as possible out of an exceptionally tiny (and thus, in theory, economical) combat vehicle.

The Armadillo is first and foremost a delivery system for a clantech Large Pulse Laser. Accounting for over 1/3 of the tank's tonnage, this weapon dominates the Armadillo's tiny frame. On the other hand, the laser makes the Armadillo a substantial threat at almost any range and against almost any target. A pair of machine guns with a half-ton of ammunition serve as the vehicle's only secondary weapons.

Protection is limited by the vehicle's size; it bears 3 tons of ferro-fibrous armor, which is modest for this size range. Top speed is 86 kph; this is also rather modest compared to other vehicles in this size range, especially considering the use of an XL powerplant. However, it's worth emphasizing that the Armadillo is designed to lean towards firepower. The lower-rated engine also keeps the per-unit production cost down.

A single crewman controls the Armadillo. A sophisticated virtual environment automates many crew tasks, but the crewman must still be highly adept at multitasking. On the other hand, the opportunity to achieve solo honor in the same way as a Mechwarrior might be an important consideration if this vehicle is ever put into service. Furthermore the tracked design allows the Armadillo to navigate difficult terrain as any tank would be expected to, and due to its light tonnage the tank is capable of crossing all but the most ramshackle of bridges.

Deployment
A few Armadillo prototypes are undergoing trials on Valencia. It has not yet been decided if this vehicle will be selected for full production.

Although currency is not necessarily a concern for the Clan-based society of the Empire, resources still are. It is therefore estimated that one Armadillo could be fielded for approximately the cost of two Scorpion light tanks. Given the Armadillo's vastly improved level of capability, this is seen as a highly acceptable tradeoff.

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Type: Armadillo
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 572

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 XL                 1.5
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          57                      3

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         15   
     R/L Side               2/2      11/11   
     Rear                    2         9     
     Turret                  2         11   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Large Pulse Laser              Turret       6.0     
2 Machine Gun                  Turret       0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
« Last Edit: 06 April 2024, 23:51:31 by Cavgunner »

Cannonshop

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #15 on: 07 April 2024, 03:19:26 »
"Armadillo" Light Tank (Scorpion Empire)

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 Machine Gun
     1 Large Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 719,325 C-bills

Overview
The Armadillo is a new ultra-light tank currently being evaluated by the Scorpion Empire. It is envisioned as a replacement for the variety of light Spheroid garrison tanks still lingering in the Empire's motor pools. This includes the Scorpion light tank itself, which is, ironically, widely considered to be unworthy of bearing the name of the Goliath Scorpion totem animal.

Capabilities
The Armadillo utilizes Clan technologies to squeeze as much capability as possible out of an exceptionally tiny (and thus, in theory, economical) combat vehicle.

The Armadillo is first and foremost a delivery system for a clantech Large Pulse Laser. Accounting for over 1/3 of the tank's tonnage, this weapon dominates the Armadillo's tiny frame. On the other hand, the laser makes the Armadillo a substantial threat at almost any range and against almost any target. A pair of machine guns with a half-ton of ammunition serve as the vehicle's only secondary weapons.

Protection is limited by the vehicle's size; it bears 3 tons of ferro-fibrous armor, which is modest for this size range. Top speed is 86 kph; this is also rather modest compared to other vehicles in this size range, especially considering the use of an XL powerplant. However, it's worth emphasizing that the Armadillo is designed to lean towards firepower. The lower-rated engine also keeps the per-unit production cost down.

A single crewman controls the Armadillo. A sophisticated virtual environment automates many crew tasks, but the crewman must still be highly adept at multitasking. On the other hand, the opportunity to achieve solo honor in the same way as a Mechwarrior might be an important consideration if this vehicle is ever put into service. Furthermore the tracked design allows the Armadillo to navigate difficult terrain as any tank would be expected to, and due to its light tonnage the tank is capable of crossing all but the most ramshackle of bridges.

Deployment
A few Armadillo prototypes are undergoing trials on Valencia. It has not yet been decided if this vehicle will be selected for full production.

Although currency is not necessarily a concern for the Clan-based society of the Empire, resources still are. It is therefore estimated that one Armadillo could be fielded for approximately the cost of two Scorpion light tanks. Given the Armadillo's vastly improved level of capability, this is seen as a highly acceptable tradeoff.

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Type: Armadillo
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 572

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 XL                 1.5
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             1.0
Armor Factor (Ferro)          57                      3

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         15   
     R/L Side               2/2      11/11   
     Rear                    2         9     
     Turret                  2         11   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Large Pulse Laser              Turret       6.0     
2 Machine Gun                  Turret       0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     

I like this.  I'd even USE it...
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Daryk

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #16 on: 07 April 2024, 03:47:40 »
Hmmm... SAW thinks it only costs 661,750... no idea why...

Ruger

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #17 on: 07 April 2024, 07:28:10 »
Going for something a little different from the other stuff shown so far:

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Combat Vehicle Technical Readout

Name/Model:         Wespe
Designer:           Ruger
Source(s):          Custom Mordel.Net Units
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Technology Rating:  D
Tonnage:            15
Configuration:      Combat Vehicle
Era/Year:           Succession Wars / 3010
Rules (Current):    Introductory
Rules (Era):        Introductory
Rules (Year):       Introductory
Total Cost:         245,625 C-Bills
Battle Value:       279

Movement Type:        VTOL
Power Plant:          55 Internal Combustion
Cruising Speed:       108 kph   
Maximum Speed:        162 kph   
Armor:                Standard
Armament:             
    1 LRM 5
    2 Machine Guns
Manufacturer:         Unknown
    Primary Factory:  Unknown
Communications:       Unknown
Targeting & Tracking: Unknown

================================================================================================
Equipment                                                             Mass                     
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure:                          Standard                  1.50                     
Engine:                               55 Internal Combustion           3.00                     
    Cruising MP:                                10                                             
    Flanking MP:                                15                                             
Heat Sinks (Single):                            0                      0.00                     
Control Equipment:                                                     1.00                     
Lift Equipment:                                                        1.50                     
Power Amplifier:                                                       0.00                     
Turret:                                                                0.00                     
Armor Factor:                                   40                     2.50                     
    Type:                                    Standard                                           

                                              Armor                                             
                                              Value                                             
    Front:                                      10                                             
    R/L Side:                                   10                                             
    Rear:                                       8                                               
    Rotor:                                      2                                               

================================================================================================
Weapons and Ammo                                            Location              Tonnage       
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LRM 5                                                         Front                2.00         
2 Machine Guns                                                Front                1.00         
Compartment, Infantry (1 ton)                                 Body                 1.00         
LRM 5 (Ammo 24)                                               Body                 1.00         
Machine Gun (Ammo 100)                                        Body                 0.50         

================================================================================================
Alpha Strike Statistics                                                   
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Point Value (PV): 13
TP: CV,  SZ: 1,  TMM: 4,  MV: 20"v
Damage: (S) 1 / (M) 0* / (L) 0*
Armor (A): 1,  Structure (S): 1
Specials: ATMO, EE, IF0*, IT1, SRCH

Ruger
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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #18 on: 07 April 2024, 08:03:17 »
Going for something a little different from the other stuff shown so far:

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Combat Vehicle Technical Readout

Name/Model:         Wespe
Designer:           Ruger
Source(s):          Custom Mordel.Net Units
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Technology Rating:  D
Tonnage:            15
Configuration:      Combat Vehicle
Era/Year:           Succession Wars / 3010
Rules (Current):    Introductory
Rules (Era):        Introductory
Rules (Year):       Introductory
Total Cost:         245,625 C-Bills
Battle Value:       279

Movement Type:        VTOL
Power Plant:          55 Internal Combustion
Cruising Speed:       108 kph   
Maximum Speed:        162 kph   
Armor:                Standard
Armament:             
    1 LRM 5
    2 Machine Guns
Manufacturer:         Unknown
    Primary Factory:  Unknown
Communications:       Unknown
Targeting & Tracking: Unknown

================================================================================================
Equipment                                                             Mass                     
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Internal Structure:                          Standard                  1.50                     
Engine:                               55 Internal Combustion           3.00                     
    Cruising MP:                                10                                             
    Flanking MP:                                15                                             
Heat Sinks (Single):                            0                      0.00                     
Control Equipment:                                                     1.00                     
Lift Equipment:                                                        1.50                     
Power Amplifier:                                                       0.00                     
Turret:                                                                0.00                     
Armor Factor:                                   40                     2.50                     
    Type:                                    Standard                                           

                                              Armor                                             
                                              Value                                             
    Front:                                      10                                             
    R/L Side:                                   10                                             
    Rear:                                       8                                               
    Rotor:                                      2                                               

================================================================================================
Weapons and Ammo                                            Location              Tonnage       
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LRM 5                                                         Front                2.00         
2 Machine Guns                                                Front                1.00         
Compartment, Infantry (1 ton)                                 Body                 1.00         
LRM 5 (Ammo 24)                                               Body                 1.00         
Machine Gun (Ammo 100)                                        Body                 0.50         

================================================================================================
Alpha Strike Statistics                                                   
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Point Value (PV): 13
TP: CV,  SZ: 1,  TMM: 4,  MV: 20"v
Damage: (S) 1 / (M) 0* / (L) 0*
Armor (A): 1,  Structure (S): 1
Specials: ATMO, EE, IF0*, IT1, SRCH

Ruger

I could see a militia using this.
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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #19 on: 07 April 2024, 08:22:14 »
Slightly different from the other options, the Anteater Mine Clearer Drone

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Anteater Mine Remoal Drone

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: 40 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Reactive
Armament:
     1 SRM 4
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 362,813 C-bills

Type: Anteater Mine Remoal Drone
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 274

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        40 Fuel Cell          1.5
Cruising MP: 4
Flank MP: 6
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Reactive)       48                      3

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         13   
     R/L Side               2/2       9/9   
     Rear                    2         7     
     Turret                  2         10   


Weapons
and Ammo                         Location    Tonnage   
Trailer Hitch                      Rear        0.0     
Mine Sweeper                      Front        3.0     
CASE                               Body        0.5     
SRM 4 Mine Clearance Ammo (25)     Body        1.0     
Smart Robotic Control System       Body        1.0     
SRM 4                             Turret       2.0     



Cavgunner

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #20 on: 07 April 2024, 15:37:24 »
I like this.  I'd even USE it...

Thanks! :)

Hmmm... SAW thinks it only costs 661,750... no idea why...

I have no idea, but here's the MegaMekLab cost breakdown.

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Cost Calculations For Armadillo Light Tank
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   Engine                                               300,000
   Armor                                                 60,000
   Internal Structure                                    15,000
   Control Systems                                       10,000
   Power Amplifiers                                         N/A
   Heat Sinks                                               N/A
   Turret                                                 5,000
   2 Machine Gun                                         10,000
   1 Large Pulse Laser                                  175,000
   CASE                                                  50,000
   Lift Equipment                                           N/A
   Omni Multiplier                                          N/A
   Tonnage Multiplier                                    x 1.15
   Flotation Hull/Environmental Sealing multiplier          N/A
   Off-Road Multiplier                                      N/A
                                                        -------
   Total Cost:                                          718,750

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #21 on: 08 April 2024, 19:44:54 »
Auster Scout Car

Weighs in at 15 tons.  Has a fuel cell and a top speed of 118.8 kph.  3 tons of Heavy FF.  Turret-mounted MML-5 with 2 tons of ammo, and a rear-mounted sensor dispenser.

I always had trouble with fluff.  I'd say this is out on the open market, aimed at mercenaries and maybe richer planetary militias.  Typical missile loadouts may include Thunder LRMs to prepare battlefields in advance and Smoke SRMs to assist in evading enemy scouts and hunter units.

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Auster Scout Car A1

Mass: 15 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 423,550 C-Bills
Total Cost: 480,550 C-Bills
Battle Value: 296

Power Plant:  85 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 75.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 118.8 km/h
Armor:  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  MML-5
    1  Remote Sensor Dispenser
    1 Unknown CASE
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                1.50
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine              85                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  7
    Flank MP:   11
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV -  59                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     16       
                                          Left/Right   11/11       
                                              Turret     12       
                                                Rear     9         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(R) Remote Sensor Dispenser                  RR        0         1         0.50
MML-5                                        T         3         1         3.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@MML-5 (LRM) (24)                            BD        -         0         1.00
@MML-5 (SRM) (20)                            BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 3
7w         1       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: CASE, EE, TUR(1/1/1)

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #22 on: 08 April 2024, 20:09:02 »
Gentlemen... BEHOLD! The Stonefish!

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Stonefish Kamikaz Drone Sub

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Submarine
Power Plant: 75 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: D/X-X-X-F
Cost: 338,000 C-bills

Type: Stonefish Kamikaz Drone Sub
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Submarine
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 141

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fuel Cell          2.5
Cruising MP: 7
Flank MP: 11
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Lift Equipment:                                     1.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  56                    3.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         14   
     R/L Side               2/2      14/14   
     Rear                    2         14   


Weapons
and Ammo                       Location    Tonnage   
Machine Gun Ammo (400)           Body        2.0     
Booby Trap                       Body        1.5     
Smart Robotic Control System     Body        1.0     
Machine Gun Ammo (100)           Body        0.5     



For when you want to destroy maritime infrastructure but don't have Nukes on hand.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #23 on: 09 April 2024, 03:19:24 »

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #24 on: 09 April 2024, 05:04:09 »
I see the reason on the ammuntions.... Why we cannot use those bullets by such a smart way?

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #25 on: 09 April 2024, 07:10:42 »
The Fire-ant flame track is a one man anti-infantry vehicle often attached to a company expected to meet heavy infantry resistance.  Fast and agile this little beast can annihilate entire platoons of infantry in minutes.  Many Regiments will hold a lance or more of these little beasties at a regimental level to be attached as required for an incredibly minimal cost, both financially and in manpower.  The primary drive motors on each Fire-Ant is designed to emit a distinct high pitched whine when at flank speed which has inspired the surrender of more than one infantry commander.

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Fire Ant

Mass: 10 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 0
Dry Cost: 268,583 C-Bills
Total Cost: 268,583 C-Bills
Battle Value: 260

Power Plant:  70 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 75.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 118.8 km/h
Armor:  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Flamers
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                       5 points                1.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 70                       3.00
    Cruise MP:  7
    Flank MP:   11
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         0.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV -  59                  3.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     17       
                                          Left/Right   10/10       
                                              Turret     12       
                                                Rear     10       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 ER Flamers                                 T         8         2         2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 3
7t         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: ENE, TUR(1/1/0)


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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #26 on: 09 April 2024, 17:38:53 »
If you're going to undershoot the tonnage like that, a Savannah Master with an ER Flamer probably wins... ;D

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #27 on: 10 April 2024, 04:36:22 »
If you're going to undershoot the tonnage like that, a Savannah Master with an ER Flamer probably wins... ;D

Maybe, both vehicles have their merit as a fast attack anti infantry platform.  If you want to ferret infantry out of woods then the savannah master isn't going to do it.  The lack of a turret on the SM is a minor issue.  Similarly the SM can take a lot less return fire if they do get hit and the SM requires twice the crew for the same number of ERF (as you need two of them to deploy 2 ER Flamers).   

But yeah, in a lot of cases 2 SMs would outperform 1 Fire Ant thanks to the superior speed.  Cost a little less and cope with water a whole lot better.  The manoeuvring speeds are pretty close though as the SM needs to worry about side slipping when they flank.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #28 on: 10 April 2024, 20:14:33 »
I went with a set of eight introductory level (but fusion powered) fifteen ton light tanks. Basically two sets of four variants, one with tracks, and a slightly faster one with wheels.

I named them the Montgomery because I happened to have a video about the SS Richard Montgomery playing in the background.

The basic combat vehicle would be the Large Laser version, and it manages to be faster than a scorpion, roughly as well armored, and somehow cheaper. I also made an infantry carrier that has two medium lasers in the turret and space for a platoon of infantry, an SRM carrier that mounts an SRM 6 and has extra ammo to give you some variety, and an LRM version that just has 2 LRM 5s. Regrettably I couldn't get away with adding a dedicated anti-infantry weapon without sacrificing something, so I didn't. 


Montgomery Light Tank (Tracked - Large Laser)
Type: Montgomery Light Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 384

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fusion               3
   Cruising MP: 5
   Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  64                      4

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         15   
     R/L Side               2/2      12/12   
     Rear                    2         10   
     Turret                  2         15   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage      
Large Laser            Turret       5.0     


(Record sheets for the full range of variants are attached)
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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #29 on: 12 April 2024, 21:18:50 »
The Clipeus (named for a type of shield from Greek Antiquity) was an experimental Tank developed by RISC to create a cheap, mobile platform for their RISC APDS.

The Clipeus was meant to operate near slower Vehicles providing them support as needed.

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Clipeus

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Light Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 ER Medium Laser
     1 RISC Advanced Point Defense System
     1 Small X-Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3136
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E
Cost: 863,075 C-bills

Type: Clipeus
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 438

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 XL                 1.5
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Light Ferro)    67                      4

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         16   
     R/L Side               2/2      12/12   
     Rear                    2         12   
     Turret                  2         15   


Weapons
and Ammo                                       Location    Tonnage   
RISC Advanced Point Defense System              Turret       3.0     
Small X-Pulse Laser                             Turret       1.0     
ER Medium Laser                                 Turret       1.0     
CASE                                             Body        0.5     
RISC Advanced Point Defense System Ammo (12)     Body        1.0     



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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #30 on: 12 April 2024, 23:41:32 »
It's shame that it lacks a space for the normal AMS, that would gives more protection against missiles toward it(you know, APDS can be combined with AMS and makes up to -8 total). That said, its cheap cost and small weight will justify the absence of that. Just for full defense role it is possible to replace an ER medium laser for a LAMS too, but it reduces its own combat prowess too much - that is not a good news for the topic, that requires speed, firepower and durability.


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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #31 on: 27 April 2024, 22:24:04 »
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Mayfly Swarm Tank

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: 85 ICE
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 SRM 4
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3000
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-C-C-C
Cost: 188,931 C-bills

Type: Mayfly
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 287

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        85 ICE                  5
Cruising MP: 7
Flank MP: 11
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  64                      4

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         15   
     R/L Side               2/2      12/12   
     Rear                    2         10   
     Turret                  2         15   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
SRM 4                  Turret       2.0     
SRM 4 Ammo (25)         Body        1.0     
I've adapted my old Mayfly swarm tank to be 15 tons. It's a bit slower but it carries an SRM4 now which is a decent enough punch I suppose. It has as much armor as a scorpion. It's about half the cost of a scorpion.
Perfect for giving to those drafted from portions of the population that that nobody gives a damn about. Orphans, homeless, debtors, working class drug addicts, neurodivergent, imprisoned persons, etc.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #32 on: 28 April 2024, 06:49:53 »
Nice!  If an SRM-4 fits, so will a mortar... ;)

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #33 on: 28 April 2024, 10:38:27 »
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Mayfly Swarm Tank

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Wheeled
Power Plant: 100 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 86.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 129.6 kph
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 Machine Gun
     1 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3000
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-E-D-D
Cost: 363,350 C-bills

Type: Mayfly
Technology Base: Clan (Standard)
Movement Type: Wheeled
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 501

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        100 Fusion            4.5
Cruising MP: 8
Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor (Ferro)          86                    4.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         20   
     R/L Side               2/2      16/16   
     Rear                    2         14   
     Turret                  2         20   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
Medium Pulse Laser             Turret       2.0     
2 Machine Gun                  Turret       0.5     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
This is a clan version.
I said it was "Essentially a machine that gives those who fail their trial of position one last chance before they wash out permanently. They can either die with glory, or prove that they deserve to at least be placed in a solhama unit." in my original post, it's no less true for this one.

Original one had a fuel cell engine, which is also good, but this one has a fusion engine to mount the Medium Pulse Laser. The clans basically don't have any problems with fusion engine production so skimping on a fusion engine is mostly pointless penny pinching.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #34 on: 28 April 2024, 10:48:37 »
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Flying Fish

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Wing in Ground Effect
Power Plant: 75 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 86.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 129.6 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2650
Tech Rating/Availability: D/C-E-D-D
Cost: 520,000 C-bills

Type: Flying Fish
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Movement Type: Wing in Ground Effect
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 405

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fusion               3
Cruising MP: 8
Flank MP: 12
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Lift Equipment:                                     1.5
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor                  48                      3

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         15   
     R/L Side               2/2      12/12   
     Rear                    2         9     


Weapons
and Ammo              Location    Tonnage   
Large Laser            Front        5.0     



No real idea about this one, I imagine it only existign thanks to SLDF procurement.

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #35 on: 28 April 2024, 11:02:14 »
It's like a bigger, slower Savannah Master... I like it! ;D

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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #36 on: 28 April 2024, 23:49:01 »
I wanted to build a mine resistant infantry transport.  Goal is to be able to drive this 15 ton vehicle quickly through mine infested territory without the troops inside getting destroyed or transport stuck.
To that end, the side mounted machine guns do a better job keeping the crew safe then a more useful turret, by providing a thing to hit instead of the explosive fuel or infantry bay.  The 2.5 tons in armored motive systems is a lot of weight in this 15 ton challenge, but that's what's needed to give the most mobility survivability to mine hits.  Armor is slanted front, cause driving through mines hits the front and causes an auto motive check.

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MRAP Mine Resistant Transport

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 75 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     3 Light Machine Gun
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-E
Cost: 523,537 C-bills

Type: MRAP
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 336

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        75 Fuel Cell          2.5
Cruising MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks:                   1                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    89                    4.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         35   
     R/L Side               2/2      20/20   
     Rear                    2         14   


Weapons
and Ammo                       Location    Tonnage   
Light Machine Gun                Left        0.5     
Light Machine Gun               Front        0.5     
Light Machine Gun               Right        0.5     
Light Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
Infantry                         Body        1.0     


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Re: Weight Budget Challenge
« Reply #37 on: 29 April 2024, 00:03:19 »
The Caiman is a river monitor for the cost conscious buyer on a budget. Much cheaper to construct, operate and maintain, Caimans are a common site across the Inner Sphere and Periphery with sufficient waterways in need of policing.

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Caiman

Mass: 15 tons
Movement Type: Naval
Power Plant: 60 ICE
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Machine Gun
     1 SRM 4
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: D/X-X-X-C
Cost: 198,875 C-bills

Type: Caiman
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Naval
Tonnage: 15
Battle Value: 245

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  1.5
Engine                        60 ICE                  3
Cruising MP: 6
Flank MP: 9
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Control Equipment:                                  1.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             0.5
Armor Factor                  72                    4.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   2         18   
     R/L Side               2/2      14/14   
     Rear                    2         11   
     Turret                  2         15   


Weapons
and Ammo                 Location    Tonnage   
Machine Gun                Left        0.5     
Machine Gun               Right        0.5     
SRM 4 Ammo (25)            Body        1.0     
Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     
SRM 4                     Turret       2.0     






 

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