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Shipping a horse across the stars
« on: 13 June 2018, 12:45:08 »
So…, like the title indicates, I need to figure out the cost of shipping a horse across the Inner Sphere.
More specifically, I need a thoroughbred racehorse transported from Yeguas to Borgan’s Rift. It’s a trip that consists of 31 jumps, but I have no idea what the costs for transporting an ‘item’ like this are, and could use some help, if anyone is well versed in interstellar shipping costs.

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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #1 on: 13 June 2018, 13:01:04 »
I'm not sure there's a standard cost as that usually applies to bulk cargo. You might have to negotiate each jump plus cost if you need to change drop ships along the way. Either way that's the better part of a year in space with very delicate cargo. Its not going to be cheep. I'd bet it will run into the billions.

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« Reply #2 on: 13 June 2018, 13:17:13 »
There's also the cost of bringing the horse down to almost every other world you pass by. After all, you probably want the animal to have the use of its legs when you arrive, which means it needs regular exercise in gravity...and I highly doubt most JumpShip grav decks will have the needed room.

If the planet's too far(or otherwise not a solution), your other option is to detach the DropShip, and have it fly away from and then back towards the Jumper while it recharges, giving everyone aboard a week or so of gravity, horse included.

At this point, you might as well ship a whole herd at once, since so many of these costs stay the same no matter how many horses are on your ship. I'm not sure if even a major noble would go through all this trouble for a single horse. Well, maybe Leonard Kurita or someone similar. Either way, we're talking about someone whose wallet and sense of entitlement is notably higher than your average House Lord. Are we talking about the secret sole owner of Irian or something?
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #3 on: 13 June 2018, 13:18:43 »
I never really gave it any thought before, but yeah, anything like this, livestock, etc. are going to be nightmares to actually transport. Carrying food and such for them is easy, and waste disposal is an unpleasant trip to the airlock away, but zero-G probably isn't good for them- in terms of physical health or in terms of stress levels. You'd pretty much need a constant 1G environment somehow- or at the very least, magnetic horseshoes might help.

Intriguing. Not just in terms of Battletech but any sci-fi setting that doesn't settle on artificial gravity (like Trek) to get things done.
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #4 on: 13 June 2018, 13:28:37 »
My advice for new colony planners? Think really, REALLY big. Shipping large critters is going to be such a pain that you want to be able to breed an entire planetary population from what you bring in a very few number of trips. Take into account the fact that the sheer stress of space travel means heavy losses en route. If you have access to any remotely decent cryogenic stasis technology, USE IT.
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #5 on: 13 June 2018, 13:29:17 »
Does Battletech have any notion of cryogenic transport for large animals?

If not, the most practical option might be to locate a specialty merchant that can offer a jumpship-based grav deck dedicated to extreme high-value livestock to handle the duration of the trip. I could easily imagine such a thing existing in the pre-Succession Wars era.

Failing both of those, it seems to me that it would be far more practical to ship the "ingredients" for a horse, rather than the horse itself. (i.e. frozen horse embryos, or similar)

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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #6 on: 13 June 2018, 13:31:15 »
(klarg1 beat me to it)

Since the destination is Canopian, perhaps cryogenic stasis is an option (depending on the era you're doing the transshipping in).  While Handbook: Major Periphery States notes that cryo-stasis units are LosTech and can have an unacceptably high failure rate, "The Sword and the Dagger" noted that it's standard operating procedure for the AFFS to use them to move wounded soldiers back to other worlds for medical treatment.  Ardan Sortek rides one all the way to Tharkad.

Alternatively, if you're not amenable to going the horsesicle route, you might want to do it colony style - ship a horse embryo instead of the adult horse, and gestate it once you reach the destination.
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #7 on: 13 June 2018, 13:39:20 »
Wish I'd thought of that. Yeah, frozen horse-in-a-can sounds like your best bet.

Now for shipping a single prize, live horse? Get paid in advance, with a contract that doesn't penalize you if the horse dies anyway.
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #8 on: 13 June 2018, 13:45:27 »
Probably good to check on whether or not gravity is a factor when you arrive, too. A horse running in 1.2Gs is going to probably suffer some leg problems due to the increased weight pushing down on its leg bones as it runs. 0.8Gs might be even worse in that regard. So... see if your critter will do okay on its new world. (Things like biological issues- viruses and such- obviously as well, but that's more of an in-general thing)
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #9 on: 13 June 2018, 13:48:44 »
Yeguas is .98 Gs, Borgan's Rift is .91 Gs, so it's not a major variance.
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #10 on: 13 June 2018, 13:54:02 »
There has to be a standard way to transport livestock.  I don't imagine they do well in weightless environments.  I bet the animal freaks out.  And if a horse loses bone density in zero-g the same way humans do, it'll be in danger of snapping its legs when returns planetside.  My guess is that there won't be many interstellar racehorse competitions.  A lot of that stuff is gonna be limited to a single system.

I'm also of the belief that there would be some kind of interstellar travel agency on most worlds.  They'd have info on regular shipping routes, and would be able to save you money and time by setting up a mini-command circuit, or a series of them.  Understand that these ships aren't waiting on you, you're just hitching a ride on vessels that happen to be in the same system at the same time.  Just like an airline today, where you want to go from Santa Fe to New York City.  You might have to go to Atlanta or Dallas, and then you've got a 3 hour layover before your next flight leaves.

Maybe you go to an interstellar tourist company a year before you make your trip, and they can tell you that in 8 months, there'll be a series of dropships where their schedules synch up.  A jumpship will be leaving your system, going 30 light years to a neighboring system.  Two days later, a different jumpship is scheduled to jump out, headed to star system #3.  The next day, another jumpship is supposed to go from system #3 to system #4.  From there, you'll layover in system #4 for three weeks.  And after that you'll go to system #5, wait for four days, and catch another ship to your destination of system #6.

A service like that would be expensive, but nothing compared to the overall costs of travel.  Who cares if you pay them 2,000 C-bills to plan your trip, if it's saving you hundreds of thousands.  Travel would still be an affair of the rich, but you wouldn't have to set aside years to go from one end of the Inner Sphere to the other.  Maybe on some of these dropships you're just sleeping in a converted utility closet, but you're not going to be there too long anyway.

Livestock are probably transported like this.  While the dropship is accelerating at 1G, the animal doesn't know any different from normal.  You've got a couple handlers there to calm them down during weightlessness (or some vets to sedate them), and you stick them in a padded room/tie them down so they don't hurt themselves.  The livestock dropship has timed its journey so that multiple jumpships are synched up, and it travels 3 or 4 jumps before a layover on some planet somewhere.  Then you wait for the next jumpship alignment, so your animals don't spend too much time weightless.

As long as you're willing to wait relatively long periods, it shouldn't cost too much.  For many animals (like cows and things), if you want to introduce them to a new world, it may make sense to establish a herd on your layover planet with a local farmer, and then take the next generation of animals to your destination.  Especially if there aren't good "connecting flights" and you're just going to have to wait for months.

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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #11 on: 13 June 2018, 13:58:29 »
Speaking of weightlessness during turnover....barf bags. Big ones, in large quantities. I've never seen a horse hork, and I hope never to, but your characters are gonna see a lot of it.
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« Reply #12 on: 13 June 2018, 13:59:25 »
Massey, that's a remarkably well-thought-out post. Well done!
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #13 on: 13 June 2018, 14:00:37 »
Can it be done? yes, has it been done? also yes, read up on the 2nd liao Guards in Field Report 2765 CCAF
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« Reply #14 on: 13 June 2018, 14:05:04 »
(klarg1 beat me to it)

It's OK. Weirdo beat me to the Cryogenic thing too.   :D

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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #15 on: 13 June 2018, 14:05:35 »
My advice for new colony planners? Think really, REALLY big. Shipping large critters is going to be such a pain that you want to be able to breed an entire planetary population from what you bring in a very few number of trips. Take into account the fact that the sheer stress of space travel means heavy losses en route. If you have access to any remotely decent cryogenic stasis technology, USE IT.
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« Reply #16 on: 13 June 2018, 14:17:29 »
Yup. I'll bet ranchers, colony planners, and others in the interstellar livestock business cannot wait until that tech spreads beyond the Clans. Same for conservationists(imagine what today's panda breeders would give for even a single Iron Womb), mad scientists, and rich would-be mothers who don't want to deal with pregnancy.

I wonder if the SharkFoxes have any idea what kind of gold mine they're sitting on?
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« Reply #17 on: 13 June 2018, 14:22:26 »
Not to mention the potential for genetically-perfect trueborn race horses/greyhounds/dachshunds/etc.


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« Reply #18 on: 13 June 2018, 14:41:23 »
Not to mention player characters getting involved in attempts to protect or disrupt that kind of stuff...
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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #19 on: 13 June 2018, 14:46:21 »
Yeguas is .98 Gs, Borgan's Rift is .91 Gs, so it's not a major variance.

Maybe.

My understanding is that champion thoroughbred horses (on Earth) ride right on the razor's edge between "runs like greased lightning" and "legs shatter after three strides".

Sure, there are plenty of other breeds with different traits and trade-offs, but the owner better know ahead of time.

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« Reply #20 on: 13 June 2018, 15:25:45 »
Not to mention player characters getting involved in attempts to protect or disrupt that kind of stuff...

That would be a hell of an ATOW operation, actually.
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« Reply #21 on: 13 June 2018, 15:28:28 »
I think Massey is on the right track, but if this is truly a prize race horse, you'll want to hire a JumpShip with a grav deck to take you the whole way.  Sedation for the transfers between DropShip and JumpShip, and any other zero-G or maneuvering periods.

And with regard to iron wombs, there were a few news stories either late last year or early this year talking about exactly that (experimenting on sheep).

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« Reply #22 on: 13 June 2018, 16:50:51 »
Massey, that's a remarkably well-thought-out post. Well done!

Thanks!  I've spent far too much time thinking about subjects like this. :D

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« Reply #23 on: 13 June 2018, 18:23:40 »
I suspect that the Inner Sphere *could* use iron wombs, they just choose not to. I would not be surprised if the standard way to transport livestock is via embryos.

But this does sound like a neat adventure!
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« Reply #24 on: 13 June 2018, 18:50:40 »
Guys, it's perfect.  Clan Hell's Horses want to bring in their totem animal from the Homeworlds, to introduce them to Inner Sphere worlds.  Players could be anything from Horse guards to another Clan trying to screw with them up to and including a bandit force hired to grab biological material for some super-rich horse fancier who wants the rarest of the rare and have orders to blow up the transport and kill the others after they get their horse/material.

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« Reply #25 on: 13 June 2018, 19:04:33 »
With all aminals that would be transported it would probably be very expensive to send a horse accros the stars.
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« Reply #26 on: 13 June 2018, 19:29:51 »
I want to say there's a canonical variant on a dropship specifically meant for shipping cattle and other agricultural critters.  Maybe of the Princess class?

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« Reply #27 on: 13 June 2018, 20:36:40 »
Just because I'm surprised that no one mentioned this...

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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #28 on: 13 June 2018, 23:51:01 »
Thank you all for the input; it has been very enlightening to read. I think Massey’s answer may be the most practical for transporting a single animal. It’d take quite a while, certainly. Now I just need to figure out a ballpark number for the cost.

To give a bit more background: It would be set around 3055 or so. The issue arose in the Mechwarrior RPG group I’m running, as I had a noble on Yeguas award the player’s mercenary team a horse as a bonus reward. Well, and since they have some minor holdings in on Borgan’s Rift (A reward for helping clear out pirates earlier), they figure they’d ship the horse there…across most of the Inner Sphere.

I knew it had to be possible to move livestock across space, otherwise how would the horses have come to Yeguas in the first place, which is known for breeding them.  Likewise, for various other planets transport of livestock show up in their backstory at some point.

I wonder if it would be possible to rent space on something like a trading dropship, going from planet to planet, often touching down to either pick something up or unload something. That would give time for the horse to have some time outside of the dropship every now and then. Of course, the last leg of the trip to Borgan’s Rift would be fairly difficult to schedule, seeing as there are likely fewer jumpships travelling to a planet like that, than from planet to planet in the Inner Sphere.

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Re: Shipping a horse across the stars
« Reply #29 on: 14 June 2018, 00:09:27 »
I pictured a harness system like what they use when a horse hurts it legs. Now I wonder what veterinary needs might be needed for Zero G. Wonder if twisted gut etc might be an issue. Is this horse special to the PC or would any horse do?
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