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Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« on: 29 February 2024, 09:57:13 »
Out of curiosity, and in regards to a few potential possible fan design opportunities (don't bring those here), what is the status of the Silver Bullet Gauss Rifle?

Has it been Standardized, and if so, at what point?
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #1 on: 29 February 2024, 10:04:23 »
standard, common tech as of 3080. still rare on canon designs but that will increase over time

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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #2 on: 29 February 2024, 11:08:31 »
Interesting.  Where can I find when something changes its rules status?
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #3 on: 29 February 2024, 11:18:59 »
RS: 3145 New Tech New Upgrades has a short version. IO: Alternate Eras has the big ole table.
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #4 on: 29 February 2024, 11:32:24 »
Ah.

Off hand, it would be nice if that was listed in the book the rules for the equipment were in.  But I guess that's for when the next reformat happens.
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #5 on: 29 February 2024, 12:34:06 »
standard, common tech as of 3080. still rare on canon designs but that will increase over time

Off the top of my head I can only think of the Carronade and the Marauder 11D.  Must be a couple more that I'm fogetting.....

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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #6 on: 29 February 2024, 13:45:06 »
Standard (post 3080)
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Challenger XV
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #7 on: 29 February 2024, 15:12:03 »
Bear in mind that the rules as written have it deliver damage in five point groups instead of single point like LB-X autocannons. Combined with its weigh, that makes the SB Gauss less useful than an LRM 15. Or pair of them.

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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #8 on: 29 February 2024, 16:50:33 »
Bear in mind that the rules as written have it deliver damage in five point groups instead of single point like LB-X autocannons.

Tac Ops page 127 says otherwise.
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #9 on: 29 February 2024, 17:57:21 »
That's TacOps:AUE for those following along at home... ;)

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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #10 on: 29 February 2024, 18:35:52 »
Bear in mind that the rules as written have it deliver damage in five point groups instead of single point like LB-X autocannons. Combined with its weigh, that makes the SB Gauss less useful than an LRM 15. Or pair of them.

SB Gauss deals damage exactly the same way as LB-X cluster munitions.  You're probably thinking of HAGs.
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #11 on: 29 February 2024, 23:00:31 »
I wish the silver bullet was written as an alternate ammunition type for the regular Gauss rifle instead of a whole separate weapon system.  That it's a separate weapon at all never made sense to me  :smilie_confused_dontknow:
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« Reply #12 on: 29 February 2024, 23:08:06 »
According to Cray, he designed it as a different ammo type for standard Gauss Rifles, but it was rejected and turned into a unique weapon instead.
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« Reply #13 on: 29 February 2024, 23:50:25 »
SB Gauss deals damage exactly the same way as LB-X cluster munitions.  You're probably thinking of HAGs.

No, I'm just remembering its original rule set from Unbound, probably as a result of having gone through that book recently. I forgot it had changed, due to not ever having used it in a game. I need top play more. Carry on, then!

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« Reply #14 on: 01 March 2024, 01:25:21 »
Unbound introduced alot of stuff just making it into mainstream use now.   All very much changed from how it was originally presented.

According to Cray, he designed it as a different ammo type for standard Gauss Rifles, but it was rejected and turned into a unique weapon instead.

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« Reply #15 on: 01 March 2024, 01:39:22 »
Unbound is one of the books that I know exists but have never actually had a chance to read.  I guess Cray was talking about updating it for TacOps.
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« Reply #16 on: 01 March 2024, 09:09:14 »
Unbound is one of the books that I know exists but have never actually had a chance to read.

It's pretty straightforward. No real twists or surprises as an adventure. I liked it because it was more high tech than BattleTech had ever been at the time, and I like how some of its more far out stuff was tied back into the narrative in the Jihad. It's worth checking out.

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« Reply #17 on: 01 March 2024, 10:25:58 »
If I ever find a copy.
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« Reply #18 on: 01 March 2024, 11:28:47 »
It’s one of the reasonably priced items on the secondary market

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« Reply #19 on: 01 March 2024, 11:58:03 »
There is also Techmanual and Maximum Tech that have the base Unbound rulesets as well.

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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #20 on: 01 March 2024, 14:04:53 »
It is a nice niche weapon before 3095 . Tends to slowly get replaced HAG afterwards. 

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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #21 on: 06 March 2024, 09:26:10 »
I wish the silver bullet was written as an alternate ammunition type for the regular Gauss rifle instead of a whole separate weapon system.  That it's a separate weapon at all never made sense to me  :smilie_confused_dontknow:

Speaking of Unbound, that's exactly how it was presented in that product. SB gauss rifle rounds were just "cluster rounds" for the Gauss Rifle. I think there was a small chance of the round exploding in the gun, but it's been a while since I read Unbound so I'm probably wrong.
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Re: Silver Bullet Gauss status?
« Reply #22 on: 06 March 2024, 20:54:19 »
The Silver Bullet Gauss, or as I like to call it the LB-15X, is a great weapon. I'd love to see an Alacorn or Thunder Hawk variant with three of them...

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« Reply #23 on: 06 March 2024, 21:17:27 »
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« Reply #24 on: 06 March 2024, 22:32:15 »
I've seen people refit Clan 'Mechs with SBGRs, even with access to HAGs, simply due to its ability to project a sheer quantity of LB-X pellets at long range.  It fills a niche even Clan stuff can't quite fill.

Yeah, it's a bit of a shame that the Silver Bullet ammo option was scrapped for regular gauss rifles, but then again autocannons get a rough enough time already without a weapon crowding out the only truly good autocannon type (LB-X's).