Canon Warship List

[HavocTheWarDog]

What are the sources for the Hesperus II warship losses in battle? Can that info be shared?

[Frabby]

What are the sources for the Hesperus II warship losses in battle? Can that info be shared?

Scenarios for the battle and the ship profile for the DCS Galedon II, as published on BattleCorps.

[HavocTheWarDog]

Thankyou Frabby!

[BigDuke66]

Just a minor point but is the entry for the Arthur Steiner-Davion correct stating 3065?
Seems to me it was 3063, check "Jihad Secrets Blakes Documents" p. 66.

Status entry for the "Great Bear" is Lost, at least according to the info from the notes row.
Status entry for the "Fire Fang" is  Captured/Lost, at least according to the info from the notes row.

[DarthRads]

I don't know if you're tracking ancient warships, but there is a complete list of the Combine warships destroyed by the Invincible at Hespersus.

• Galedon II, Samarkand-class
• Yedo, Baron-class
• Georgia, Bonaventure-class
• Tamura, Bonaventure-class
• Pacheco, Vigilant-class
• Wyrm, Vigilant-class

I see what the fluff meant about the Invincible being a whale among minows...she was atleast twice the size of anything in this list!

[Takiro]

Well, all Successor States had  a dozen+ of the older model Aegis-class Heavy Cruiser. Some, if not all, also used the Baron-class Destroyer, and apparently the Vigilant-class Corvette.

We know the Lyran Commonwealth had at least one Potemkin-class Troop Cruiser, in addition to their Mako-class Corvettes and Tharkad-class Battlecruisers.

The Federated Suns had access to the Congress-class Frigate, in addition to their Robinson-class Transports and Davion-class Destroyers (and a homegrown Battleship class IIRC).

The Capellan Confederation had the Du Shi Wang-class Battleship.

The Free Worlds League had the Atreus-class Battleship.

The Draconis Combine had the Samarkand-class Carrier.

The Taurian Concordant used Wagon Wheel-clas Frigates, Winchester-class Cruisers, and the Dart-class Light Cruiser, IIRC.

All the houses were likely to have additional classes of ships, but these are ones that are easily confirmed by a review of the House books and TRO's.

Ruger

Don't forget about the New Syrtis class mentioned in the Robinson's fluff for the Federated Suns. Canon stats not published but they are part of the warship universe.

[DarthRads]

actually, based on number of hulls, how many were upgraded for the SLN, and assuming it was an equal division the houses would have had 6 AEGIS of the 2300s vintage...there wer two lefy over, which I tend to give of the RWRN as a reward for Amaris' loyalty during the Reunifacation War.

[Ruger]

actually, based on number of hulls, how many were upgraded for the SLN, and assuming it was an equal division the houses would have had 6 AEGIS of the 2300s vintage...there wer two lefy over, which I tend to give of the RWRN as a reward for Amaris' loyalty during the Reunifacation War.

Correct for the Aegis-class ships given to the great houses...don't know how my math came out like it did...  :-[

Ruger

[DarthRads]

Correct for the Aegis-class ships given to the great houses...don't know how my math came out like it did...  :-[

Ruger

Happens to everyone :)

[Wrangler]

I don't have it but, does the MUL have the WarShips listed too?

[Marwynn]

Nope, the MUL doesn't have Warships.

Do we have a partial list of all the mentioned classes for each Great House?

[ds9guy]

Hey Gang,

Has anyone done a canon warship update for the DA time period?  Last time I read through the novels and online material I started doing one but I seem to have lost the file. 

Thanks,

ds9guy :)

[Moonsword]

We're still getting information on the immediate post-Dark Age status of various fleets through the Field Reports series.  The MUL, as the rest of it's released, may well have some other facts to consider.

[JAY241]

The thing with a DA navy listings is that its only gonna be slightly longer than the pre clan era navy listings.I know its not that bad but darn near . Come on, the FSN from 15 hulls to 5(1 still in WOB hands,2 crips rebuilding) and even worse for almost everyone else.Cant wait to see whats left clanner wise.

[DarthRads]

The thing with a DA navy listings is that its only gonna be slightly longer than the pre clan era navy listings.I know its not that bad but darn near . Come on, the FSN from 15 hulls to 5(1 still in WOB hands,2 crips rebuilding) and even worse for almost everyone else.Cant wait to see whats left clanner wise.

Well, I think the Snow Ravens have lost between 10-15 ships as of the Terra Campaign...

[DarthRads]

Well, I think the Snow Ravens have lost between 10-15 ships as of the Terra Campaign...

<Quick Look at list> Ah, some were salvaged, still 8 are gone, thats close to 25% of the fleet!

[Alan Grant]

Hey, I just noticed a tidbit of information that I don't think is on the Master List.

Aerotech 2 Revised, in the Warship Fleet Color Schemes that start on page 32, says this about the Wolf's Dragoons warships.

Bringing six ships captured during the Absorption of Clan Widowmaker out of mothballs, Clan Wolf outfitted the Wolf's Dragoons for their fateful covert reconnaissance mission. The Warships use the classic Dragoon Black with red trim-which fortuitously matches the Widowmaker's colors.

I don't think we have those ships listed for Clan Widowmaker. Or their origins mentioned in the Wolf Dragoon section.

[GreyWolfActual]

But we can't be sure of their names.  Indeed, I would be suspicious that a ship named the Beowulf would be in the service of the Widowmakers.

[Alan Grant]

Perhaps it could be added with that notation in the notes section "Previous name as Clan Widowmaker warship unknown". Or something to that effect. Acknowledging that Clan Wolf probably changed their names, either after the absorption or before they joined Wolf's Dragoons as part of their cover story.

I think it would be useful information, I've seen numerous debates on these forums over where Wolf's Dragoons equipment came from. It also fills out the Clan Widowmaker section a little.

[BlackAce]

Well I suppose thats an easy enough change to make. I'll append the Wolf Dragoons fleet list to the widowmaker collum and add brakets next to the names.

[Weirdo]

Just because the Dragoons used the Widowmaker paint scheme tells us nothing about whether their ships kept the same names as the Widowmaker hulls. To my knowledge, the only known name-and-class Widowmaker ship is the Potemkin-class Egg Sac, seen in the Wolverine stories.

[jimdigris]

The Ravens only contributed two stars, and there were survivors.  Assuming no losses in the Homeworlds, that leaves 28 warships.

[DarthRads]

The Ravens only contributed two stars, and there were survivors.  Assuming no losses in the Homeworlds, that leaves 28 warships.

based on the few chatterweb snippets we've gotten, I think the Raven's were high-tailing it under fire, so there probably were losses. Still even if they were reduced to just 10 vessels, they would significantly out number anyone else in the DA era.

[BlackAce]

Just because the Dragoons used the Widowmaker paint scheme tells us nothing about whether their ships kept the same names as the Widowmaker hulls. To my knowledge, the only known name-and-class Widowmaker ship is the Potemkin-class Egg Sac, seen in the Wolverine stories.

TBH, I highly doubt they did. But even if we don't know their SL or Widowmaker names, we do know they were Widowmaker vessels.

[The Hawk]

I see that the list asserts that SLS Michigan, which features prominently in Betrayal of Ideals, is a Texas-class.  However, after an extensive review, I can't find any reference in any of the parts of that story to support this assertion, or indeed to support that Michigan belongs to any other class or is even a battleship (certainly, other Clans have used cruisers as flagships).  The only thing that BoI appears to establish is that it's the Wolverine flagship and that it has capital missiles.

Can anyone provide more details, or fill in where the Texas suggestion comes from?

[Wrangler]

I see that the list asserts that SLS Michigan, which features prominently in Betrayal of Ideals, is a Texas-class.  However, after an extensive review, I can't find any reference in any of the parts of that story to support this assertion, or indeed to support that Michigan belongs to any other class or is even a battleship (certainly, other Clans have used cruisers as flagships).  The only thing that BoI appears to establish is that it's the Wolverine flagship and that it has capital missiles.

Can anyone provide more details, or fill in where the Texas suggestion comes from?

Well, the Michigan first shows up in the Star League Sourcebook, on p. 74 as the ship that General Kerensky and Richard Cameron are observing in the wargame being conducted by League forces.  Later mentioned as 2nd winner of the Martial Olympiad, on p. 135.  None of it mentions what the ship's Class was though.  Historical: Operation Klondike fails to mention the ship as well.

All honestly as risk being criticized, i think it was generally assumed that it was Texas Class ship because it was generally believed that those ships were named after the US States and 52 ship were product somewhat supporting it.  It was possible that American gained few states before the Terra Alliance formed.

[The Hawk]

All honestly as risk being criticized, i think it was generally assumed that it was Texas Class ship because it was generally believed that those ships were named after the US States and 52 ship were product somewhat supporting it.  It was possible that American gained few states before the Terra Alliance formed.

Your assumption is not unreasonable, but of all the Texas-class ships we know of, none of them are named after U.S. states.  There is an SLS Nebraska that is a battleship, but its class is unknown.  Also, the only ship I know of that has both a state name and a known class is Iowa, a Smoke Jag Essex.

Sorry, I don't mean to be the one doing the criticizing.  I appreciate the clarification.

[Stormlion1]

I don't think the Texas class were named after US States but ocean going battleships. Look at the SLS Prinz Eugen and the SLS Bismark and if there ever was one, the SLS Texas as examples.

[The Hawk]

I don't think the Texas class were named after US States but ocean going battleships. Look at the SLS Prinz Eugen and the SLS Bismark and if there ever was one, the SLS Texas as examples.

Well, and that would support Michigan being among that class (as well as a huge number of other vessels.)  However, as far as I know there's never been a battleship named Mountbatten.

To date, the only thing that seems consistent about the Star League's ship naming conventions is that they completely lack consistency. ;)

[Stormlion1]

Mountbatten was the name of a class of commercial Hovercraft though that was built in the mid 1960's.