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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #210 on: 20 May 2021, 19:51:53 »
Herb, can we go back to a simpler time? When everyone was angry at you/TPTB for killing factions?

Nope! Once upon a time, maybe, I'd take the job back, but now? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!


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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #211 on: 21 May 2021, 07:19:55 »
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAH!

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Or is that a “yeah, you’re stuck with Alaric ‘AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA’”?

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #212 on: 21 May 2021, 07:21:40 »
Any character can be fixed. (with enough explosives)

We've seen Anastasia change personalities at least half dozen times per author writing her. 
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #213 on: 21 May 2021, 07:22:25 »
I'm not sayin' Clan Mongoose is due for a comeback, but I'm not saying it ain't, either...
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #214 on: 21 May 2021, 09:41:09 »
I sometimes write things. Sometimes they're spelled right. Not often.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #215 on: 21 May 2021, 09:52:22 »
Without otherwise commenting...  do mine next. :)


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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #216 on: 21 May 2021, 10:07:16 »
Oh boy, now we have authors asking for this treatment.  I'm looking forward to reading this one, by the way!

I was actually going to ask for it, once Failings in Teaching drops in August. ;)
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #217 on: 21 May 2021, 10:54:59 »
Without otherwise commenting...  do mine next. :)


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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #218 on: 21 May 2021, 11:46:49 »
Without otherwise commenting...  do mine next. :)


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I see what you did there! Just for the record, which # Jason is Schmetzer?
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #219 on: 21 May 2021, 12:17:30 »
Just to be fair.

I don't read a lot. I don't expect a a lot when reading BattleTech novels. I'm not expecting Frank Herbert or JRR Tolkien. BattleTech novels are easy reads, which isn't a bad thing at all the franchise has good writers.

I'm holding a book like Hour of the Wolf on a much higher pedestal, though. Far Country should not be a better BattleTech novel than Hour of the Wolf, but indeed it is.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #220 on: 21 May 2021, 12:21:32 »
Tucker? Emo whiney Tucker?

Admit it, if any of us were isekai'ed into Hour of the Wolf we would probably spend the time complaining about how stupid this all is, just like Tucker.

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« Reply #221 on: 21 May 2021, 12:22:18 »
Just to be fair.

I don't read a lot. I don't expect a a lot when reading BattleTech novels. I'm not expecting Frank Herbert or JRR Tolkien. BattleTech novels are easy reads, which isn't a bad thing at all the franchise has good writers.

I'm holding a book like Hour of the Wolf on a much higher pedestal, though. Far Country should not be a better BattleTech novel than Hour of the Wolf, but indeed it is.

The really sad thing is that while everyone will scoff at that remark, it is objectively true.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #222 on: 21 May 2021, 12:23:44 »
I'm holding a book like Hour of the Wolf on a much higher pedestal, though. Far Country should not be a better BattleTech novel than Hour of the Wolf, but indeed it is.

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« Reply #223 on: 21 May 2021, 12:32:06 »
BIRDS!!!!

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #224 on: 21 May 2021, 13:05:24 »
The really sad thing is that while everyone will scoff at that remark, it is objectively true.

You'd be surprised.  ^-^

Far Country has much better characters. I like Dakodo, a damn alien bird, much more than any single character in Hour of the Wolf. The Tetatae are more useful and defined than the "lovable" tanker crew in Hour. Takuda, Seagroves, Vost... all somehow have more personality than any character in Hour. These characters are pretty cut and dry and accomplish so much more.

I stand by it. I challenge anyone to read Far Country and find out. Peter Rice did a better job with a quirky one-off book.

Ugh. I'm tempted to read Star Lord and find out if it's worse than Hour.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #225 on: 21 May 2021, 13:22:04 »
You'd be surprised.  ^-^

Far Country has much better characters. I like Dakodo, a damn alien bird, much more than any single character in Hour of the Wolf. The Tetatae are more useful and defined than the "lovable" tanker crew in Hour. Takuda, Seagroves, Vost... all somehow have more personality than any character in Hour. These characters are pretty cut and dry and accomplish so much more.

I stand by it. I challenge anyone to read Far Country and find out. Peter Rice did a better job with a quirky one-off book.

Ugh. I'm tempted to read Star Lord and find out if it's worse than Hour.

I don't disagree, that's why I'm saying, it's rather sad. There have been a few apologetics for Hour, but not many. And it might be the cool thing to bash on Far Country, because it was bad as a BattleTech book, but on the literary merits, if you were a teacher grading the writing, Far Country would come in at probably a solid B, maybe an A-, while HotW would be covered in red marks and get an F.

As for Star Lord, remember who has "additional writing credits" on that one. I haven't read it in a long time, but I can't imagine that as lampooned as it is, that certain people "editing" it would have made it any more palatable as a novel. Although, it was 25 years ago, so the slide into...whatever hadn't quite begun yet. I have a physical copy of it that I snagged about 6 months back, but haven't managed to actually force myself to read it.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #226 on: 21 May 2021, 13:26:51 »
Far Country is a terrible book, and the idea that the characters in it have realistic motivations is just laughable.
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« Reply #227 on: 21 May 2021, 13:37:06 »
Far Country is a terrible book, and the idea that the characters in it have realistic motivations is just laughable.

I thought the motivation of the primary merc character in it was “all your women belong to me”?

At least that’s what I remember from this side of the two+ decades since I last read it.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #228 on: 21 May 2021, 13:48:05 »
Faith, star lord is someone's teenage RPG story with his friends in a basement. Not worth it.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #229 on: 21 May 2021, 13:48:18 »
Far Country is a terrible book, and the idea that the characters in it have realistic motivations is just laughable.

Yeah, because Hour of the Wolf really did a better job? The motivations were weird, but they were still defined and fit the world that Peter wrote. And, the characters grew from it.

I thought the motivation of the primary merc character in it was “all your women belong to me”?

At least that’s what I remember from this side of the two+ decades since I last read it.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #230 on: 21 May 2021, 13:48:45 »
Far Country is a terrible book, and the idea that the characters in it have realistic motivations is just laughable.

I haven't read Far Country in a while, but I've seen several reviews of it lately, and like I said, while it might be bad BattleTech, there's a good case for it being good as a novel. There is not a good case for HotW being good at either of those things.
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« Reply #231 on: 21 May 2021, 13:49:39 »
I haven't read Far Country in a while, but I've seen several reviews of it lately, and like I said, while it might be bad BattleTech, there's a good case for it being good as a novel. There is not a good case for HotW being good at either of those things.

This. Took the words right from my mouth.
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« Reply #232 on: 21 May 2021, 13:50:00 »
Faith, star lord is someone's teenage RPG story with his friends in a basement. Not worth it.

But it was edited and fixed by the greatest author to ever put words to page, so that must count for something, right?  ::)
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« Reply #233 on: 21 May 2021, 13:51:49 »
But it was edited and fixed by the greatest author to ever put words to page, so that must count for something, right?  ::)

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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #234 on: 21 May 2021, 13:54:04 »
LOL. Well. Truth be told, his main antagonist and how people react to him (allowing him to get away with all kinds of nonsense) would fit in HotW.

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« Reply #235 on: 21 May 2021, 14:05:16 »
Well I didn't expect that....
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #236 on: 21 May 2021, 14:09:23 »
I haven't read Far Country in a while, but I've seen several reviews of it lately, and like I said, while it might be bad BattleTech, there's a good case for it being good as a novel. There is not a good case for HotW being good at either of those things.

No there isn't, Far Country is a bad novel too.  The things that make it bad are nothing to do with BattleTech and everything to do with the writing.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #237 on: 21 May 2021, 14:26:37 »
No there isn't, Far Country is a bad novel too.  The things that make it bad are nothing to do with BattleTech and everything to do with the writing.

It's still better than Hour of the Wolf.
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« Reply #238 on: 21 May 2021, 15:02:28 »
It's still better than Hour of the Wolf.

Hour of the Wolf isn't even Pardoe's worst BattleTech novel, let alone as bad as Far Country,
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Re: Hour of the Wolf: a Running Review
« Reply #239 on: 21 May 2021, 15:07:38 »
Guys, do we want to move away from "which is worse?"? I see no path on which this argument leads to anything good.
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