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How did the devs respond after you reported the bug?
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #692 on: 22 August 2018, 11:10:52 »

I've just posted the following update to the Coming Releases page.

Please don't ask for further specifics--I don't have any, and the book is still coming together. I had to scrape this much together just to make the Coming Releases page a little more accurate:

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Technical Readout: Clan Invasion
Release Date: 4th Quarter 2018

A small skirmish on a little-known planetoid called The Rock in 3049 was the first warning that the invasion had arrived. The Clans, genetically engineered warriors piloting cutting-edge OmniMechs, spent the next three years tearing through the Inner Sphere's elite, claiming world after world in a seemingly endless campaign of conquest. Only a desperate, final stand against the combined might of the Clans could deny the invaders their glittering prize: Terra itself.

Technical Readout: Clan Invasion is a companion to the BattleTech Manual and the follow-up to Technical Readout: Succession Wars. Combining 'Mechs previously detailed in Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade, Technical Readout: 3055 Upgrade, Technical Readout: 3058 Upgrade, Technical Readout: 3060, and Technical Readout: 3067, this volume includes the unequaled Clan OmniMechs and upgraded Inner Sphere 'Mechs fielding technology unlocked by the Helm Memory Core. Each machine is illustrated in detail, and accompanied by a description of its history, capabilities, and game stats, along with their most famous pilots.
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« Reply #693 on: 22 August 2018, 14:47:39 »
...3067?
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« Reply #694 on: 22 August 2018, 14:51:03 »
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« Reply #695 on: 22 August 2018, 14:56:42 »
Lobo, Hellion (iffy- not Invader), Hellfire (iffy- not Invader), Arcas (depends on CW line), Bowman, Blood Kite (iffy- not Invader), and Savage Coyote (iffy- not Invader)

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« Reply #696 on: 22 August 2018, 15:04:50 »
...3067?

Personally, I'm betting on the Cronus.
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« Reply #697 on: 22 August 2018, 15:13:59 »
3067 can be counted as part of the Clan invasion on the account of that being the original end date for the, eh, cease fire. Plus don't some of that TRO's 'Mech's date from just before the Operation Bulldog?

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« Reply #698 on: 22 August 2018, 15:26:44 »
Lobo & Arcas are two Clan questionables from my list . . .

And I overlooked the obvious Cronus as I had already mentally checked it off seeing it on the table of contents for '67.

Empyrus, see my list.
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #699 on: 22 August 2018, 16:34:02 »
...3067?

Wording of the description seems to indicate Clan omnis only? That would tie in the hellion and savage coyote
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #700 on: 22 August 2018, 16:58:49 »
How so?  Says including?
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« Reply #701 on: 22 August 2018, 16:59:20 »
Cubby, if it isn't opening up a can of worms, it was stated at Gencon that there were hopes for fiction releases leading up to ilClan. Does it seem like a lot of that stuff is coming together okay?

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« Reply #702 on: 22 August 2018, 17:26:28 »
How so?  Says including?

"includes the unequaled Clan OmniMechs and upgraded Inner Sphere 'Mechs fielding technology unlocked by the Helm Memory Core."

in this case I read including as discretely limiting by explicitly stating what's included.

If you pull all the clan omnis from the listed TROs, you get a pretty healthy roster

Dasher
Fire Falcon
Koshi
Hankyu
Hellion
Uller
Cougar
Puma
Battle Cobra
Dragonfly
Phantom
Pouncer
Fenris
Grendel
Shadow Cat
Black Hawk
Crimson Langur
Nobori-nin
Black Lanner
Ryoken
Stooping Hawk
Vulture
Cauldron Born
Crossbow
Linebacker
Loki
Nova Cat
Thor
Mad Cat
Night Gyr
Man O' War
Naga
Masakari
Savage Coyote
Blood Asp
Kingfisher
Gladiator
Turkina
Daishi

there are a few like the Crimson Langur that are homeworld-exclusive but even the Savage Coyote was fielded  by the wolves and the hellion by the sharks
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #703 on: 22 August 2018, 20:40:53 »
Sure . . . but no reason to limit them to that- how many IS mechs were in TRO SW total?
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« Reply #704 on: 22 August 2018, 21:32:36 »
Sure . . . but no reason to limit them to that- how many IS mechs were in TRO SW total?

93. And you’re looking at choosing from easily over 100 is mechs as well

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« Reply #705 on: 22 August 2018, 23:29:31 »
Really?  How many in 50, 55 and 58 were L1 upgrades or Star League left overs?  I do not have TRO SW so I cannot speak to it specifically is why I ask.
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« Reply #706 on: 23 August 2018, 10:23:51 »
there are about 120 new chassis in the pool. obviously some of these are destined for the cutting room floor - will the Kabuto or JagerMech III be missed? Or most of 3060 in general? Some probably won't make it because they're variants on SL/SW mechs like the Grand Dragon and Katana. The Chameleon was already in TRO SW (with the 3058U entry for the post-helm upgrade) and I could also see dropping the Longbow 7V. The WoB mechs would generally feel out of place. Still lots of strong candidates. It could be something like a 63/30 IS/Clan split without dipping into the "ew" pile.

3050U - 9
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Firefly
Wolf Trap
Grand Dragon
Axman
Caesar
Katana
Mauler
Imp
Annihilator

3055U - 38
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Tarantula
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Hitman
Jackal
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Hollander
Venom
Daimyo
Watchman
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Bandersnatch
Falconer
Penetrator
Rakshasa
War Dog
Salamander
Gunslinger
Albatross
Cerberus
Naginata
Berserker
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3058U - 19
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Falcon Hawk
Owens
Strider
Firestarter
Blackjack
Chameleon
Enfield
Bushwacker
Lineholder
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Merlin
Avatar
Dragon Fire
Maelstrom
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Longbow
Sunder
Devastator

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Kabuto
Duan Gung
Eagle
Arctic Fox
Garm
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Beowulf
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Yeoman
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Jinggau
Barghest
Shugenja
Toyama
Black Watch
Tai-sho
Viking
Yu Huang
Hauptmann
Sirocco

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Brigand
Anubis
Osiris
Razorback
Gurkha
Stiletto
Chimera
Sha Yu
Bloodhound
Blue Flame
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Uziel
Cronus
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Ninja-To
Verfolger
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Thanatos
Legacy
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Canis
Clint IIC
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Corvis
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Pinion
Piranha
Predator
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Scylla
Snow Fox
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #707 on: 23 August 2018, 10:37:29 »
I see it going the other way, the majority (60%) being Clan with it being as many of the 'Invader' designs as possible- Omnis & Stds.  Remember, the chaotic Wars of Possession would be the place to introduce the post-60 Home Clan Omnis and their Std garrison fillers.

I also think some designs would be good for a prospective TRO Golden Century . . .
Dragoon mechs
Firefly
Gallowglas
Imp
Annihilator

SL prototypes
Devastator
maybe the Marauder descendants like the Maelstrom & Dragon Fire

Additionally most of those '67 mechs are after '60/'61 intro date, the Cronus/Perseus/Akuma being notable exceptions.
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« Reply #708 on: 23 August 2018, 10:49:06 »
I see it going the other way

a reasonable tact as i tend act as sort of an anti-compass away from the most likely outcome.

Though I still feel like it's going to be more in the spirit of the original 3050 with a focus on the elite leading edge of REVIVAL's push on Terra vs the panic-induced response.

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I also think some designs would be good for a prospective TRO Golden Century . .

this i'm much more pessimistic about as it would be a ground-up effort from the writing side (and likely art). A couple years away at best.
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« Reply #709 on: 23 August 2018, 11:41:18 »
How?  Early Omnis like the Woodsman, Lupus, and Coyotl are spelled out already (maybe get a few more variants?) and we have some from Historical Operation Klondike- a few of those after comparing ToC are in TRO SW like the Shogun and Hoplite.

So the 5 mechs from Hist OpKlon, 3 Omni & 1 BM from ER Golden Century, 20 from your list of secondline that are seen & Homie, any WD mechs not mentioned so far like the Gallowglas, the 3 Wolverine designs for Jihad Secrets and might also finally put out the information for things mentioned in Golden Century that were never given entries/RS like the 2 warships.  Maybe Home Clan designs Omnis that go back to the beginning like the Stooping Hawk, one of the later 1st Gen Omnis.  I think the unseen IICs could fit here too but you would have to use TRO PP art.


As far as the later TRO Civil War-
Other designs from '67 you listed, or homies built in the 50s, could fall under the Civil War era since the Clans' Wars of Possession is in that time span.  Things like the Blood Asp, Savage Coyote, Predator, and Burrock.  It would also include most of the pre-Jihad Blakist mechs like the Lightray or Vanquisher but since Grand Crusaders  and '58 Blakist mechs were used to take Terra those would be in Clan Invasion.
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #710 on: 23 August 2018, 11:43:18 »
IF the Golden Century ever comes out, be nice those early OmniMechs had more configurations.

I'm not entirely sure if we'll ever see the book at rate were going.  Shattered Fortress was beginning of the re-worked stuff and it's part 2 year away allegedly.  I hope heck we see more new materials for it.
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« Reply #711 on: 23 August 2018, 11:50:02 »
Which is why I said Golden Century- or call it Early Clans, whatever- would be a bit more difficult IF they released stats/RS for the stuff mentioned in the ER but not spelled out like the couple in the back of the ER like the Woodsman.

If its a C&P job like most of SW and expected with CI?  Well there are enough remaining SL entries (Enfield? forgot that one), Wolverine prototypes & mixed tech, standard Clan mechs like Warhammer IIC, and the early Omnis to fill out another book before or after they do TRO Civil War & TRO Jihad.
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« Reply #712 on: 23 August 2018, 12:09:39 »
A TRO Golden Century isn't even on the development schedule. that's 6-12 months minimum. We don't have AS commander's edition or maps or the core book updates. ilClan is already slated for a year away and that's a book everyone wants.

If we're lucky, we'll see TRO: CI before Christmas. Even the devs had a eureka moment right before gencon and slapped together the mockup at the last second, that's 3-4 months for the theoretical release of a product that's largely a C/P affair (with a healthy dose of reformatting). Likely it's been an idea for a while. So even if a TRO:GC is another compilation affair, it would be a miracle to see it in less than six to eight months just based on lag time and the rest of the queue. 

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« Reply #713 on: 23 August 2018, 12:19:32 »
Sure, but if it is a prospective product (and I think its been hinted at since the ER) then for it to be thick enough the Clan mechs introduced in it would be ones that we do not see in Clan Invasion for some reason- which I say is b/c they are mechs that are used mostly by the Homies.  Its also a place they can stick the outstanding SL & Dragoon mechs.
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #714 on: 23 August 2018, 12:24:47 »
Cubby, if it isn't opening up a can of worms, it was stated at Gencon that there were hopes for fiction releases leading up to ilClan. Does it seem like a lot of that stuff is coming together okay?

In the three weeks since Gen Con? ...Sure, I guess?

No, I know what you're asking--that fiction has been in the works for a little while, it's not like that mention at Gen Con was the very first step. To be totally honest, I don't have a great fix on what the plan is over on the production side of the house. I have a better handle on what's in the works for the gaming side, because I generally edit and/or write for a lot of it. But I've reached out to John Helfers, the BT fiction director, to try and get a better sense of what the plan is going forward. Otherwise, I only know what Blaine puts on Facebook.

Tl;dr - No reason to think it isn't coming together. Blaine has posted that he's writing stuff, I believe others are as well, and John seems to be able to get things out the door.

in this case I read including as discretely limiting by explicitly stating what's included.

There's really nothing I can write that won't get parsed, is there? I wrote that copy, and it was not intended to exclude anything. I have no idea at this point what will or will not be in the book. But I needed to get something onto the Coming Releases page.

Likely it's been an idea for a while.

Referring to TRO: Clan Invasion; it's been in the water supply since around the time of TRO: SW, I'm told. So it's not like someone snapped awake in the middle of the night two days before Gen Con and said, "Wait...I see it now...I know what the next glaringly obvious step is!"

That said, the display of the cover at Gen Con caught me by surprise along with the rest of you. So maybe it was at least a little like that.

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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #715 on: 23 August 2018, 12:45:23 »
There's really nothing I can write that won't get parsed, is there? I wrote that copy, and it was not intended to exclude anything. I have no idea at this point what will or will not be in the book. But I needed to get something onto the Coming Releases page.

if it's any solace, i didn't think that hard about it. i see words, my brain does dumb things with them. 

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« Reply #716 on: 23 August 2018, 12:54:09 »
Nah, I understand. But at some point I just have to write "including" and not "including but not strictly limited to."
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #717 on: 23 August 2018, 14:11:48 »
Just wondering how many versions of the TRO 3050 book were there. Not a complaint just wondering how many?
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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #718 on: 23 August 2018, 14:17:01 »
3050 (1990)
3050 Revised (1996 after the HG settlement)
3050U (2007 Catalyst Printing)

I think 3050 was the only FASA TRO to not get a FanPro reprint

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Re: Upcoming Releases Volume XIII: Unlucky Release Edition
« Reply #719 on: 23 August 2018, 14:20:53 »
Just wondering how many versions of the TRO 3050 book were there. Not a complaint just wondering how many?

Three.

The original.

The reformatted one where the unseen were replaced with SLDF 'Mechs.

Our current one, TRO 3050 Upgrade.
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