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BattleTech Miniatures and Terrain => Iron Wind Metals News and Announcements => Fan Financing 2.0 => Topic started by: speck on 24 January 2015, 19:26:20
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This is the 1st Quarter 2015 Fan Finance Poll based on the suggestion thread, top six will be eligible to be Fan Financed. Due to how long the list was, I limited the poll to 35 options and thanks to Draco for compiling the list from the suggestion thread.
Since we have a large poll and thanks to the suggestion below, you can vote on up three different items.
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A little disappointed the Hel isn't on that list. I know I saw it nominated at least a few times.
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There may already be plans for it.
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The Hel was one of the more popular suggestions, so yeah, safe bet there's already plans to release it. Which isn't really a surprise given it's potential to be a main line of battle unit for two clans.
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Kinda wish the Chaffee was on there, because Doug Chaffee, and because cool, but the Patron probably makes more sense from the standpoint of tabletop.
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I'm going to assume that whatever I don't see on the list from the nomination thread is being considered for regular production. This looks to be a great poll; it's so hard to pick just one.
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I'm going to assume that whatever I don't see on the list from the nomination thread is being considered for regular production. This looks to be a great poll; it's so hard to pick just one.
Not necessarily, there where over 90 suggestions. Some where excluded since they might be coming down the road. Other where excluded so that the poll was not even more massive then it is. But what is included are suggestions that several people had on there lists.
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Wow, that's a lot of suggestions. Thanks for explaining it speck. O0
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It may be too late, but might I suggest to allow us to vote for up to three options? This would give a better indication of what people really want, and are most likely to buy.
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It may be too late, but might I suggest to allow us to vote for up to three options? This would give a better indication of what people really want, and are most likely to buy.
I'd like to second that. :)
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I'd like to second that. :)
Third that. ;)
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Agreed.
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It may be too late, but might I suggest to allow us to vote for up to three options? This would give a better indication of what people really want, and are most likely to buy.
Good idea, made the change. Should have thought of that since the poll was 35 options.
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I would like to suggest the Korvin Tank from 3075, but I don't know if this the thread for that.
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I already cast my single vote (for the Dragoon. Recognize). Any way for me to get the other two in?
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I already cast my single vote (for the Dragoon. Recognize). Any way for me to get the other two in?
Me too!
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I would like to suggest the Korvin Tank from 3075, but I don't know if this the thread for that.
This is not the thread for suggestions. That was locked a couple days ago. You will have to make that suggestion in March when the next round starts.
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I already cast my single vote (for the Dragoon. Recognize). Any way for me to get the other two in?
Now you can , had to adjust poll. Click remove vote and you will have to select all three now
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I would like to suggest the Korvin Tank from 3075, but I don't know if this the thread for that.
1st Quarter suggestion thread closed on Friday. This is the poll to determine the top 6 to be available for fan financing.
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Dragoon!
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Celerity O0
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There may already be plans for it.
I'm hoping that the reason the Cyllaros and Harpagos are not in the poll, either.
Given how much enthusiasm it seemed to generate during initial discussions, I'm surprised the Black Knight “Red Reaper” isn't polling higher. ???
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My logic, both in voting and in the earlier idea thread, was to not choose something that IWM is likely to produce on their own. This project should be for the more obscure, rare things, not the extremely popular stuff. Wouldn't you rather see stuff like that Red Reaper in standard distribution? All the people yelling out for 3145 'Mechs dumbfounded me. Those are the things IWM is absolutely most likely to do!
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What surprises me is the sheer number of votes for the humble APC.
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Yeah, I wouldn't have thought there'd be so much demand for a generic vehicle. Especially with the Goblin on the list.
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My logic, both in voting and in the earlier idea thread, was to not choose something that IWM is likely to produce on their own. This project should be for the more obscure, rare things, not the extremely popular stuff. Wouldn't you rather see stuff like that Red Reaper in standard distribution? All the people yelling out for 3145 'Mechs dumbfounded me. Those are the things IWM is absolutely most likely to do!
Completely agree. The Dragoon got my vote simply because I'm not sure it'd enter production otherwise.
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What surprises me is the sheer number of votes for the humble APC.
While I see a lot of use for the APC in combined arms forces, there are already generic minis available for the hover, wheeled and tracked APC from IWM (albeit all archived). Its also a generic enough unit that stand ins from other 6mm scifi lines are easy enough to find.
My logic, both in voting and in the earlier idea thread, was to not choose something that IWM is likely to produce on their own. This project should be for the more obscure, rare things, not the extremely popular stuff. Wouldn't you rather see stuff like that Red Reaper in standard distribution? All the people yelling out for 3145 'Mechs dumbfounded me. Those are the things IWM is absolutely most likely to do!
This makes sense to me too, I tended to focus on things not in the mainline TROs (ex. 3067, 3085, 3145)and stuck with the less likely stuff from XTROs like Prototypes, Most Wanted, etc. Popular as the "Red Reaper" is, being its a one-off varient of a mech already in standard distrivution, I was not sure it was ever going to see standard distribution itself. Limited edition or online exclusive seemed more likely.
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This makes sense to me too, I tended to focus on things not in the mainline TROs (ex. 3067, 3085, 3145)and stuck with the less likely stuff from XTROs like Prototypes, Most Wanted, etc. Popular as the "Red Reaper" is, being its a one-off varient of a mech already in standard distrivution, I was not sure it was ever going to see standard distribution itself. Limited edition or online exclusive seemed more likely.
Yep, my thought exactly. We have multiple Black Knight variants already in general distribution. I don't think the Red Reaper would see any kind of release without Fan Financing. Not because it's not a great looking 'Mech, but because it simply makes no sense to add yet another Black Knight to the stores.
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Yep, my thought exactly. We have multiple Black Knight variants already in general distribution. I don't think the Red Reaper would see any kind of release without Fan Financing. Not because it's not a great looking 'Mech, but because it simply makes no sense to add yet another Black Knight to the stores.
So only units that aren't in traditional paper Technical Readouts? I have no objection with such a rule when it concerns Mechs or Vehicles, but Aerotech units are also going to need Fan Financing (I believe).
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So only units that aren't in traditional paper Technical Readouts? I have no objection with such a rule when it concerns Mechs or Vehicles, but Aerotech units are also going to need Fan Financing (I believe).
You can vote for whatever you want. But my assumption is, that 'Mechs that already have multiple minis will probably not see a general release if yet another variant comes around, while new units probably will.
That's why I voted for the Red Reaper, but wouldn't vote for the Templar III, because I assume that one will see general release.
As far as Aerospace and other "non standard" stuff is concerned: Yes, they have had their release via fan funding in the past and usually don't see general release. BAs have solely been made through fan funding for a long time now. Since the old FF died we haven't had a new BA sculpt. I hope we will get them in the second run at the new fan financing. I want BAs. Lots of them. ;)
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All the people yelling out for 3145 'Mechs dumbfounded me. Those are the things IWM is absolutely most likely to do!
Makes for a compelling argument for 3145 vehicles, though. At the current rate, there are 4-5+ 'Mechs being made for every vehicle. If we want balanced 3145 forces, fan financing seems to be the way to go...
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So only units that aren't in traditional paper Technical Readouts? I have no objection with such a rule when it concerns Mechs or Vehicles, but Aerotech units are also going to need Fan Financing (I believe).
Not so much a rule, but I just focused my own votes on things I thought were least likely to see general distribution. IMO Mechs form TRO:3085 and TRO:3145 are more than likely to get done by IWM at some point so why waste "Fan Financing" on them? 8)
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Wouldn't you rather see stuff like that Red Reaper in standard distribution? All the people yelling out for 3145 'Mechs dumbfounded me. Those are the things IWM is absolutely most likely to do!
We already know what IWM is planing to release up to the 4th quarter, and if that mech or vehicle you really want a sculpt of isn't on that list, it could be a long time before IWM gets around to making a sculpt of it. I don't fault anyone who suggested something from 3145 because there are so many popular choices from that era that IWM will have 3 to 4 years or more of releases based on the current release schedule of a hand full of sculpts per quarter. As was mentioned earlier, If IWM already had something on the "to do list", then Speck wouldn't have put it on the poll. I think it's interesting to see how the voting is playing out. I never expected the APC's to be doing so well given we already have a set of APC's. I hope the next round will open up the option of B/A.
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My logic, both in voting and in the earlier idea thread, was to not choose something that IWM is likely to produce on their own. This project should be for the more obscure, rare things, not the extremely popular stuff. Wouldn't you rather see stuff like that Red Reaper in standard distribution? All the people yelling out for 3145 'Mechs dumbfounded me. Those are the things IWM is absolutely most likely to do!
Not necessarily. The mech that I want produced from the 3145 line is the Celerity. A 15 ton mech that more a protomech then a traditional mech. IWM tends to focus on vehicles and mechs rather then protomechs. In fact there are several protomechs that were never produced. So I see nothing in choosing a mech that is likely be lumped with the protomechs.
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Flashman, bloodkite and Belleraphone.
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We already know what IWM is planing to release up to the 4th quarter, and if that mech or vehicle you really want a sculpt of isn't on that list, it could be a long time before IWM gets around to making a sculpt of it.
Not quite true. We know what IWM is going to make for general release through the 4th quarter but we do not know all of the web exclusives.
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My thought, and it looks like I am not in the majority is to make things that we do not have before we do re-sculpts. But that is part of the joy of us all having our own way of doing things.
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Bloodkite, Imp, Centurion resculpt.
Nice to see so much LoT:2 stuff, maybe we get the Pollux as an option next time?
Disappointed that ASF were not even mentioned as a maybe-option though.
The Celerity being on there makes sense to me, but I think too much 3145 stuff would be counter-productive. It's already been well-stated that the focus going forward in all products will be the dark age. Thankfully I don't hear too much noise about advancing the timeline further as-yet, but 3145 is the main effort going forward for now.
I think if anything from the dark age is to be made with fan-finance, it should be a definite fringe item or oddball, pretty much every mech from DA that there is a TRO of, I can see getting a mini in the next few years.
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After thinking about this (an Jal Phoenix's statement) I think this whole thing should have centered on "catch up" work, rather than allowing stuff from the 3085-Up to be considered, and especially re-sculpt items.
There are so many units that are in previous books, especially vehicles, that still need a sculpt for which we've been waiting years (sometimes decades)...yet the votes that are high up are re-sculpts & newer released designs that were recently released.
I'm not saying there's any fault here, just that in retrospect, I think perhaps this opportunity would have been best spent on catch up work. No new sculpts, no re-sculpts, no variants...just catch up.
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But look at it this way, popular items have the most potential of actually being (fan) funded. Whether it is a recent 3145 Mech which otherwise would only get sculpted in 3+ years, or a resculpt of a Mech that didn't stand the test of time too well, or ...
While a noble idea, limiting the fan funding effort to catch-up items only may not have the impact we all hope the renewed fan funding effort will have. Maybe there are reasons why certain items haven't ever gotten a mini ... ;)
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Some of these options, like the black knight should be con exclusives IMO
If the gauntlet and centurion Omni make it, they should have parts come with the kit to make the bushwhacker ad axe and shild variants respectively
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Some of these options, like the black knight should be con exclusives IMO
I'm of mixed opinion on the whole idea of Con Exclusives. I know they make a nice bonus for con goers and can help build excitment at events, but by their nature they mean that many (most) players of the game can't get them, except perhaps for inflated prices from people who buy them at cons only to sell for a profit.
I don't mind alternate poses, jumping poses, minor varients, prerelease minis, etc. Whole new mechs or major varients, like the Red Reaper, not so much. :(
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Some of these options, like the black knight should be con exclusives IMO
If the gauntlet and centurion Omni make it, they should have parts come with the kit to make the bushwhacker ad axe and shild variants respectively
I for one am very much against exclusives in any form, I feel that they take away from any thing that they are a part of.
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Has anyone suggested the Von Rohrs for your next poll? A Von Rohrs mini could be really cool!
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While a noble idea, limiting the fan funding effort to catch-up items only may not have the impact we all hope the renewed fan funding effort will have. Maybe there are reasons why certain items haven't ever gotten a mini ... ;)
Good point!
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Has anyone suggested the Von Rohrs for your next poll? A Von Rohrs mini could be really cool!
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Oops, wrong thread, sorry
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And just how many con exclusives have we actually had at this point in time? I think we have two con exclusives. The rest that were (past tense) con exclusives are all sitting on IWM's web store. Only the last year (maybe two depending upon when you are asking) is not available but will be in the future.
To the old stuff only, I will point out that not only do we need to have people vote for it, but you need to have people pony up the money to pay for the sculpting. On top of that you need it to be popular enough that it is worth it for IWM to even offer for sale. We could have a situtation where 12 want a mini and it wins the poll. Only 6 people provide money for the sculpt and then it only sells 15 copies in the first 2 or 3 years. Stuff from newer TROs will probably sell better than niche units from a 3 year old sourcebook.
Many different factors at play and no completely right answer. Best to vote what you are interested in. Personally I am treating this like the archive return: I'm only voting for something that I will personally put money toward/purchase. No reason to skew the results if you aren't going to put the money down.
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I for one am very much against exclusives in any form, I feel that they take away from any thing that they are a part of.
The only true con exclusive are the Limited Edition mechs that take longer to become available for a limited time on IWM webstore. All the other items have become available to order after several weeks on IWM web store.
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Bloodkite, Highlander and Super-Wasp. Super-Griffin needs Super-Wasp like Reeces peanut butter need chocolate cups to hold it in!
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I have voted, and I hereby pledge that if one, two or all three of my choices are picked, I will definitely put some cash towards them. It might not be much, but I'm fully prepared to put my money where my mouth is on this one.
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The only true con exclusive are the Limited Edition mechs that take longer to become available for a limited time on IWM webstore. All the other items have become available to order after several weeks on IWM web store.
I was under the impression that there was a warship from the AeroTech line that was offered as a con exclusive but was never released through retail or the online store? I could be wrong as I don't play AeroTech so this is just something I heard from another player who wanted one.
That said, if its eventually released to general distribution (through retail or online) then its not really a con exclusive (at least in the meaning of the word I meant). Giving con goers a chance to pick pre-release specials is something else altogether and I've got no problem with that.
To the old stuff only, I will point out that not only do we need to have people vote for it, but you need to have people pony up the money to pay for the sculpting. On top of that you need it to be popular enough that it is worth it for IWM to even offer for sale. We could have a situtation where 12 want a mini and it wins the poll. Only 6 people provide money for the sculpt and then it only sells 15 copies in the first 2 or 3 years. Stuff from newer TROs will probably sell better than niche units from a 3 year old sourcebook.
I have to agree, here. It does no good to run KS for things people won't buy, or won't buy enough of. While going back and doing "missing" mechs and vees from old TROs is appealing to the completist in me, if there was a real demand for something in a TRO from 20 years ago, I have to think that IWM would have released it by now.
Everything I suggested or voted for, I will definitely be buying at least one (often more) when and if I have the chance and once I commit to it I will pay for it.
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The Leviathan is the exclusive (it wasn't even for a con) that had the mold destroyed.
My take is that the 3145 'Mechs are going to be done. Well, hopefully. Doing the Gauntlet as an online-only exclusive would have me afraid it would be trapped there and not put out for general distribution. The 3145 Vehicles and BA are a different beast entirely though.
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Just one thing, Speck - IIRC, Sawbones stated that the Sokar was funded under FF1.0?
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Just one thing, Speck - IIRC, Sawbones stated that the Sokar was funded under FF1.0?
Just searched the old Fan Finance forum and it was only in one post that he said he was planning to, but nothing that confirmed he did. Was not on any of the list he did for items that where on the backlog. Will have to reach out to him to find out if it was actually funded.
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I was under the impression that there was a warship from the AeroTech line that was offered as a con exclusive but was never released through retail or the online store? I could be wrong as I don't play AeroTech so this is just something I heard from another player who wanted one.
The original Leviethan was a prize for a Aerotech event run by demo team in 2003. each agent got two, one for winner and one for them. It was intended to be a prize only and not for sale. So it was the very first Limited Edition and also to have its mold destroyed.
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Blood Kite, fellow Blood Spirits we need more votes!
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OK, I have to say something about the APC's here, just to be clear. These are three different designs, not one hull with three different propulsion units like the Heavy APC's I did all those years ago. They will be priced as separate sculpts not one price for all three.
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OK, I have to say something about the APC's here, just to be clear. These are three different designs, not one hull with three different propulsion units like the Heavy APC's I did all those years ago. They will be priced as separate sculpts not one price for all three.
Yeah, but/and they are tiny - half the size of those Heavy APCs. Move over, Savannah Master, the new Cute is in town. {>{>
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OK, I have to say something about the APC's here, just to be clear. These are three different designs, not one hull with three different propulsion units like the Heavy APC's I did all those years ago. They will be priced as separate sculpts not one price for all three.
I figured if it was in the top 6 we would have to figure that out.
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The only true con exclusive are the Limited Edition mechs that take longer to become available for a limited time on IWM webstore. All the other items have become available to order after several weeks on IWM web store.
I have no issue with this, as you can get them just have to watch and get them when they are out. Verses only being able to get it if you can go to the convention or what not that it is at, and there are lots of us who can not make them. So I appreciate how IWM does this, I also like how they give the stores first chance to sell before putting it on the on line store.
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Right now, as of 9:00 CST, I show the following:
26 - Primitive Rifleman
20 - Flashman Resculpt (3025/2750 art)
19 - APC's
18 - 732 Highlander Resculpt
17 - Primitive Griffin
15 - Templar III
I'll for sure try to throw money at the Flashman. I'd prefer to wait for the Rifleman, Griffin, and Templar III as they haven't really even had a chance to come out in general production. But thats just me!
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Right now, as of 9:00 CST, I show the following:
26 - Primitive Rifleman
20 - Flashman Resculpt (3025/2750 art)
19 - APC's
18 - 732 Highlander Resculpt
17 - Primitive Griffin
15 - Templar III
I'll for sure try to throw money at the Flashman. I'd prefer to wait for the Rifleman, Griffin, and Templar III as they haven't really even had a chance to come out in general production. But thats just me!
Those primitives would take awhile to come out if done through General distro since we are doing one non-3145 mini per release and they are all planned through 4th quarter of this year.
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Don't tally it all up yet...I'm changing 2 of my votes after thinking about this for a long time. Not that it's going to change anything, just in retrospect, 2 of mine are probably going to come out anyways, so why not push for things that may not.
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Do we have dimensions for the APC's?
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Right now, as of 9:00 CST, I show the following:
26 - Primitive Rifleman
20 - Flashman Resculpt (3025/2750 art)
19 - APC's
18 - 732 Highlander Resculpt
17 - Primitive Griffin
15 - Templar III
I'll for sure try to throw money at the Flashman. I'd prefer to wait for the Rifleman, Griffin, and Templar III as they haven't really even had a chance to come out in general production. But thats just me!
Out of these only the Flashman and the Templar III would get any of my money. The Bloodkite is so close though...
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Those primitives would take awhile to come out if done through General distro since we are doing one non-3145 mini per release and they are all planned through 4th quarter of this year.
Oh i'm sure thats true. I'd always seen fan financing as a way to get what would never see the light of day (most of the Aerotech stuff or variants of other 'mechs.) I just figured that Primitives would be a decently hot seller as a lot of people are using them as stand in's for 3039 "unseens."
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Right now, as of 9:00 CST, I show the following:
26 - Primitive Rifleman
20 - Flashman Resculpt (3025/2750 art)
19 - APC's
18 - 732 Highlander Resculpt
17 - Primitive Griffin
15 - Templar III
I'll for sure try to throw money at the Flashman. I'd prefer to wait for the Rifleman, Griffin, and Templar III as they haven't really even had a chance to come out in general production. But thats just me!
Personally I am skeptical about the possible end result of the Flashman and the Highlander, considering the lack good art. In such cases I would also supply additional instructions.
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Do we have dimensions for the APC's?
I doubt there are any published official dimensions, but for nostalgia I'd keep them in a scale with other vehicles of that era. Making them about the size of the Vedette or Striker would be perfect. They're lighter in weight, but since you have to pack all those fools inside it stands to reason that they'd be bigger than other 10 ton vehicles, even if its mostly air.
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I doubt there are any published official dimensions, but for nostalgia I'd keep them in a scale with other vehicles of that era. Making them about the size of the Vedette or Striker would be perfect. They're lighter in weight, but since you have to pack all those fools inside it stands to reason that they'd be bigger than other 10 ton vehicles, even if its mostly air.
It's a place to start, thanks! O0
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Out of curiosity why all the hate of the current flashman? The current mini looks like the art or at least the art on Sarna to me. What am I missing?
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I doubt there are any published official dimensions, but for nostalgia I'd keep them in a scale with other vehicles of that era. Making them about the size of the Vedette or Striker would be perfect. They're lighter in weight, but since you have to pack all those fools inside it stands to reason that they'd be bigger than other 10 ton vehicles, even if its mostly air.
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I was hoping for something discernably smaller than the Heavy APCs. If nothing else, the MGs in the turrets are very big, suggesting a size appropriate to a 10 ton vehicle.
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Out of curiosity why all the hate of the current flashman? The current mini looks like the art or at least the art on Sarna to me. What am I missing?
I thought the same thing.
Something that people need to think about is "Does this mini have art that looks better than the mini?" If the answer is no, then a resculpt won't do much. I have same fear with the highlander. Mini looks a lot like the art, and a resculpt won't change much...
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I doubt there are any published official dimensions, but for nostalgia I'd keep them in a scale with other vehicles of that era. Making them about the size of the Vedette or Striker would be perfect. They're lighter in weight, but since you have to pack all those fools inside it stands to reason that they'd be bigger than other 10 ton vehicles, even if its mostly air.
I prefer them to be a lot smaller. I think the size of the Shamash (21x17x9mm) would be great starting point.
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I think this is the art that most people wanting a new flash man want/like:
(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3025/Flashman%203025.gif)
The current miniature comes from other TRO's (which is fine) but via art ends up being very stiff, unposable, and a little wonky.
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The upper thigh/hip attachment area is hard to make out. Is it on the upper or lower leg box?
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I think this is the art that most people wanting a new flash man want/like:
(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3025/Flashman%203025.gif)
The current miniature comes from other TRO's (which is fine) but via art ends up being very stiff, unposable, and a little wonky.
Oh, yes please; I'd buy that.
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I'd buy a company of them.
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The upper thigh/hip attachment area is hard to make out. Is it on the upper or lower leg box?
I think it's the "thigh" on there. I'll try to sketch out my interpretation tomorrow when I'm at school and post it up.
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Yeah, that hip join seems to be the one weak spot in that art.
Eh, so long as the hip isn't so high up that it can almost smack the armpit when it moves, I'll like it. O0
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That's tough to pick even three! I think I'd be happy with most any on that list.
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So if I am understanding it is the hips between the two that people do not like?
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(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/69/Flashman_3050U.jpg)
(http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah66/savage_coyote/Stuff/ScreenShot2015-01-29at110617AM_zpseefcaebb.png)
Both of those pictures reflect the miniature and/or were based on the miniature. I'll be the first to admit that the miniature reflects that art perfectly, but thats not really a good thing. The other two pieces just have more style, possibility, and appeal (at least to me of course!)
If a sketch is still needed I can provide (or attempt!)
Current miniature picture:
(http://camospecs.com/images/schemes/61_7thFWL_Flashman1.jpg)
http://camospecs.com/MiniList.asp?Action=Detail&ID=828
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My only issue with the current Flashman is the horrid running pose and the weak arms. They have to be pinned or they can be knocked off real easy. An update to the newer art is always good.
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So the art people are asking for a mini of is the 7k? Is it really a resculpt at that point?
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So the art people are asking for a mini of is the 7k? Is it really a resculpt at that point?
Well, there's very little difference to the weapon placements for most of the Flashmen save a HPPC there, ERLL there. I figure it would be a catch all for the most part?
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Well, there's very little difference to the weapon placements for most of the Flashmen save a HPPC there, ERLL there. I figure it would be a catch all for the most part?
Fair enough. I'm actually much more interested now at the prospect of getting a SW variant. I thought we were looking at a resculpt with the AMS and center torso LL.
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Right now, as of 9:00 CST, I show the following:
26 - Primitive Rifleman
20 - Flashman Resculpt (3025/2750 art)
19 - APC's
18 - 732 Highlander Resculpt
17 - Primitive Griffin
15 - Templar III
I would only throw money towards the Templar III. I see no need to buy primitive versions of mechs I already have. I like the old Highlander with TV box head. APC is cool, but I would never buy one for my army.
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APC is cool, but I would never buy one for my army.
You could see it as very light fire-support, as they have LRM variants. ;)
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I had to go with what I'd be most-likely to purchase myself. Primitive Rifleman, Primitive Griffin.
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I might get the APC's, but I won't put money into it. I just like the idea of spamming infantry onto the board.
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I had to go with what I'd be most-likely to purchase myself. Primitive Rifleman, Primitive Griffin.
Seems allot of people agree with you. Me myself I never was a fan of primitives, I prefer high tech to low tech. But people are allowed to like what they like.
You could see it as very light fire-support, as they have LRM variants. ;)
Thanks, but I got a lance of LRM carriers or JES II. As for infantry, I use Onmimechs for my power armor. So I probably will not need any APC in the future.
I was really hoping the Celerity would make it. I need a decent drone mech and want to stop proxying protomechs and powerarmor for my Celeritys. I hope it get it cance to be made one day.
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You could see it as very light fire-support, as they have LRM variants. ;)
Bingo. If you can't find a good use for a horde of super-cheap small LRM launchers, then you've never faced a Capellan. Or a Marik. >:D
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Bingo. If you can't find a good use for a horde of super-cheap small LRM launchers, then you've never faced a Capellan. Or a Marik. >:D
Did I hear someone say semi-guided?
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I had to go with what I'd be most-likely to purchase myself. Primitive Rifleman, Primitive Griffin.
That's why I voted for those 2 plus the Swordsman, which screams "Primitive ShadowHawk" to me. O0 Yes, I know we've already got a Primitive SHD, but like how the "New" Primitive Rifleman is smaller than the 3025 model, the Swordsman seems the same way to me.
Me myself I never was a fan of primitives, I prefer high tech to low tech.
So who says you can't use a "Primitive" mini to represent a variant that's the newest thing off the assembly lines? ??? If I recall, the "Canon" explanation for the Reseen designs, in some cases it was just putting the same components in a re-designed body. Why not Surprise your opponents with fielding a "Primitive" mini, but it's simply a Proxy for the newest 3075/3085/3145 design? >:D
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So far the Primitives look modern enough to drop onto the table to use in any era, so they can be good stand ins for their modern variants.
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Fair enough. I'm actually much more interested now at the prospect of getting a SW variant. I thought we were looking at a resculpt with the AMS and center torso LL.
Not that I think it needs to be resculpted, but if they DO make one, I'd think maybe make the SRM a separate piece and go ahead and make the hole in the CT. If people don't want that version, they can leave off the SRM, then use "whatever" to fill in the holes for it and in the CT. It's a LOT easier to fill in holes in a mini rather than to make new ones! :o
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So far the Primitives look modern enough to drop onto the table to use in any era, so they can be good stand ins for their modern variants.
"Like +1000!" O0
;D
While I still prefer the Unseens, I DO like the Primitives Nearly as much. I'd say the Unseen are at 100, while the Primitives are about 99.5. The only one I'm not that impressed with so far is the Primitive Wasp. :-\ Also, while some people have said they think the Primitive T-Bolt is the "Best" Sculpt, I'll have to stand by the Unseen sculpt. Then again, I'm more than a bit Biased towards it also! :D
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[Eddie Murphy] Shildkrotes! ALL SHILDKROTES!!! [/Eddie Murphy]
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I might get the APC's, but I won't put money into it. I just like the idea of spamming infantry onto the board.
I love infantry, especially by my house rules, but I haven't been buying infantry carriers anymore for my main game because I end up needing way too many, but for RPG play, at that scale? I think I need to re-think that. and assuming it was a variety pack of APCs; I'd go for a pack of that.
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Not that I think it needs to be resculpted, but if they DO make one, I'd think maybe make the SRM a separate piece and go ahead and make the hole in the CT. If people don't want that version, they can leave off the SRM, then use "whatever" to fill in the holes for it and in the CT. It's a LOT easier to fill in holes in a mini rather than to make new ones! :o
See, and I've never seen a Flashman with an SRM, though that boxy do-dad is there :D
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See, and I've never seen a Flashman with an SRM, though that boxy do-dad is there :D
Well, the -8K from TRO 2750 has an AMS in the RT, so I guess that's what the thing is supposed to be? ??? Maybe it was Supposed to have an SRM 4 when they did the art, but once they went to design it they didn't have the weight available, so it became an odd-looking AMS? They don't all look alike after all, though I don't know that any other out there looks like an SRM 4 either. :-\ There's really nothing else in the art that Could be the AMS.
Through the Magic of HMP, NOW there's the -8S, which drops the flamer and AMS to add the SRM 4 and 1 ton of ammo, but I also had to drop 1/2 ton of armor (4 from the arms, 2 from the legs) to do it. :-\ I then turned around and made a "Royal" Variant (-8SR), which uses Endo-Steel, makes all the lasers ER models, drops the forward-firing ML from the RT, then adds CASE to the RT and 3 more DHS, plus gains 1 ton of armor, for 14 tons total. While not Canon, it CAN be done! :D
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My votes are:
Primitive Rifleman XTRO Primitives IV
Gunslinger GUN-1ERD resculpt TRO 3055U <---One Piece and Un-pose-able.
Swordsman SWD-1 XTRO Primitives IV
I'd love to have the Primitive Griffin as well, but you can't have everything. Griffin close to old style Griffin as you can get.
I'm sad not alot people want the Swordsman, since its too is more Shadow Hawk than primitive Shadow Hawk.
Highlander Rescuplt
Gauntlet GTL-1O Prime TROLC
Schildkröte Line Tank TRO 3145LC (This should be staple tank, its hard to kill in game. Why won't you want have some?)
Centurion CN11-O Prime TRO 3145FS
Imp IMP-1A resculpt HistOK
I'm not adding Templar III, since frankly. Taking the Shields off the side of the arms of the current Templar makes it pretty close second, to matching it. Just need fix the barrels. Fun the barrels then you got yourself III. If you want save money.
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So who says you can't use a "Primitive" mini to represent a variant that's the newest thing off the assembly lines? ??? If I recall, the "Canon" explanation for the Reseen designs, in some cases it was just putting the same components in a re-designed body. Why not Surprise your opponents with fielding a "Primitive" mini, but it's simply a Proxy for the newest 3075/3085/3145 design? >:D
Hehe good idea and I understand why people want them. I on the other hand have all the old 3025 mechs and most of the Unseens. I don't need any more Riflemans or Griffins, or even result of the Highlander or Flashman. I got them. I am currently building a ROTS force so I need their mechs, vehicles and power armor. I especially need some good drone mechs and vehicles cause I am going with the theme of Drone warfare. So I am happy for the people that get the primitives, I just won't throw money towards it.
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All the free ketchup and salt packets you can eat for anyone voting Dragoon 2015!
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I have a couple unseen rifleman, but am going for the Primitive anyway.
Won't touch the reseen without a sledgehammer (I like most of the reseens, but that isn't one of them)
I am also going for the Teppo and Tufana Decent stuff to use, and I could always use more vees, but unlike the primitives and the stuff from 3145, I have my doubts they'd get sculpted without fan funding.
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I'm kind of surprised (but pleased) to see my picks doing so well. (Well, the Bellerophon isn't doin' so hot, but the other two are. ;) )
My vote was:
APCs 3039/3026*
Primitive Rifleman
Bellerophon
* - Not surprising - I've been championing these for a while. Heck, I was saving up to try and fund one when financing closed down the last time.
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Wow, for such a slow start the Blood Kite and the Flashman are now tied! And both are just for resculpts!
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Hehe good idea and I understand why people want them. I on the other hand have all the old 3025 mechs and most of the Unseens. I don't need any more Riflemans or Griffins, or even result of the Highlander or Flashman. I got them. I am currently building a ROTS force so I need their mechs, vehicles and power armor. I especially need some good drone mechs and vehicles cause I am going with the theme of Drone warfare. So I am happy for the people that get the primitives, I just won't throw money towards it.
I've got everything they made minis for from TROs 2750, 3025 and 3026, including all the Unseen, and several of some of them. I don't game much these days, so I'm mainly buying minis I like the looks of, and I just happen to like the looks of the Primitives. O0 I don't "hate" the Primitive Wasp, but I'm not that thrilled about it either. It just doesn't "Grab" me like the others do, and I'm fine with the Unseen sculpt. :-\ I don't "Need" anymore unseen Riflemen or Warhammers, but that doesn't stop me from buying one every now and then. ::) :-[ Damnit. #P
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sucks I missed the poll
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I don't hate the Super Wasp either, but i look at it another way. We have Primitive Wasp, which is pretty nice.
I just try look at this way, we have too many other units that need come to life. Some that need to be out right replaced.
Other companies are producing similar minis, but we need get something for IWM and arguably CGL can show case. We need primitives for substitute for unseens. I'm disappointed that Primitive Griffin and Swordman didn't get as many votes.
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sucks I missed the poll
I am sorry you did, but I am curious what your vote would have been.
All the free ketchup and salt packets you can eat for anyone voting Dragoon 2015!
The Dragoon is a nice mech. I would have bought it to start making my S.....I mean Amaris unit to balance to my SLDF unit. }:)
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I am still astounded the humble APC did so well.
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See, and I've never seen a Flashman with an SRM, though that boxy do-dad is there :D
Yeah...and it's never been explained explicitly...or does it have the searchlight quirk? No, it does not, does it?
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I am still astounded the humble APC did so well.
Same here, and I also could have swore we already had those.
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The heavies (20-tonners) were done, these would be the 10-tonners
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If I understand it correctly, the top 6 are the winners:
Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV [40 votes]
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover) TRO 3039 [26 votes]
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U [25 votes]
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV [25 votes]
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U [24 votes]
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted [24 votes]
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If I understand it correctly, the top 6 are the winners:
Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV [40 votes]
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover) TRO 3039 [26 votes]
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U [25 votes]
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV [25 votes]
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U [24 votes]
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted [24 votes]
The Red Reaper made it [fiddle] [applause] {>{> {>{> [rockon] [cheers] [notworthy] [drool]
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I'm looking forward to the Flashman and the Red Reaper and maybe the Highlander depending on how it turns out.
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Yeah...and it's never been explained explicitly...or does it have the searchlight quirk? No, it does not, does it?
It is the quad MG style AMS. I recently worked on an early run mini of it. Details were much clearer on it than other more recently produced ones.
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I'm looking forward to the Flashman and the Red Reaper and maybe the Highlander depending on how it turns out.
I hope that the Highlander mini will get variant bits.
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I think they need a separate thread, so that the people that want the Resculpts can let B-3 know that they think is "Wrong" with the current sculpt. Otherwise we'll have another round of crying and belly-aching about it being "wrong" all over again. :-X
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Well out of them all only the Flashman will get my money.
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I intend to do as many Variant Bits as are practical on these.
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How about putting some details on the sprues? Some past minis have had flat missile launcher-looking bits sculpted right on the sprues. I'd also love to see some I-beams and other basic geometric shapes (cylinders, triangular prisms, etc) form the basis of the sprue, instead of the flat piece of pewter, so they could be used in more creative basing. Not sure how much work that would entail...
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Looks like the primitives won. Well I guess I got to proxy more protomechs and power armor for my Celerity(s) for a while longer.
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I know I went for a primitive so we could have a stand in for unseens pre 3050 (or if we just don';t like reseens), but I wish there were a few more new units than variants and resculpts.
I see why the Flashman might need a resculpt, but what was wrong with the highlander mini, and don't we already have a couple Black Knight variants we can kitbash with?
I think they need a separate thread, so that the people that want the Resculpts can let B-3 know that they think is "Wrong" with the current sculpt. Otherwise we'll have another round of crying and belly-aching about it being "wrong" all over again. :-X
I don't think anyone's ever going to be happy. The original art is kinda meh and any new versions had to follow it for the most part, and thus also don't have an appealing shape, so I think any flashman mini is going to be ugly.
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It is the quad MG style AMS. I recently worked on an early run mini of it. Details were much clearer on it than other more recently produced ones.
Really? Now that is interesting.
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Quick Questions.
1. Those APC's, are those the light 10 Ton Models originally from 3026, Or the Larger 3060 Models?
I'm thinking Lighter but I want to clarify.
2. Has there never been a Goblin mini before?
It doesn't say re-sculpt on it but I thought there was one.
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So if I understand it correctly the top six move on, those being
Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV 40 (9.2%)
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover) 26 (6%)
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV 25 (5.8%)
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U 25 (5.8%)
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted 24 (5.5%)
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U 24 (5.5%)
And of those the top two will be up for people to put money towards, when one of them get the money then the next on the list goes up for people to put money towards. Is that correct? If so how do you determine what goes up next as after the first two number three and four are tied, same with five and six?
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Quick Questions.
1. Those APC's, are those the light 10 Ton Models originally from 3026, Or the Larger 3060 Models?
I'm thinking Lighter but I want to clarify.
2. Has there never been a Goblin mini before?
It doesn't say re-sculpt on it but I thought there was one.
Correct and yes.
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There is a Goblin mini (http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1851), yes. It's based on the 3058 art, the one in the poll is from 3039.
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So if I understand it correctly the top six move on, those being
Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV 40 (9.2%)
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover) 26 (6%)
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV 25 (5.8%)
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U 25 (5.8%)
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted 24 (5.5%)
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U 24 (5.5%)
And of those the top two will be up for people to put money towards, when one of them get the money then the next on the list goes up for people to put money towards. Is that correct? If so how do you determine what goes up next as after the first two number three and four are tied, same with five and six?
Flip a coin? ;D
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I thought they were ALL going up in pairs
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As soon as the first one gets done, the third one gets opened up so there is a steady flow.
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As soon as the first one gets done, the third one gets opened up so there is a steady flow.
Works for me, means I have to wait for the Flashman but them's the breaks.
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Primitive Rifleman RFL-1N XTRO Primitives IV 40 (9.2%)
Armored Personnel Carriers (Tracked, Wheeled, Hover) 26 (6%)
Primitive Griffin GRF-1A XTRO Primitives IV 25 (5.8%)
Highlander HGN-732 resculpt TRO 3050U 25 (5.8%)
Black Knight “Red Reaper” XTRO Most Wanted 24 (5.5%)
Flashman resculpt TRO 3025 (revised) /3039 / 3050U 24 (5.5%)
Well, the "Red Reaper" is the only one I voted for so I'll certainly go in for that. I may go in for the two Primitives, too, but I'm just not interested in the others. I still hope they are popular with other players and this KS is a sucess so we will see more.
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Locking the 1st Quarter Poll thread and opening the first two Funding Threads.