Author Topic: Babylon 5 (Read 13690 times)

I am Belch II · « **Reply #60 on:** 14 June 2018, 12:20:01 »

I think the Omega Destroyer is more of a jack of all trades ship, like a modern destroyer now. The AB's and other nations destroyers can do just about everything now when it comes to a battle. It's like now how the German Navy has 6000+ ton FFG's. Its all for the public and the thinking of that ship and what sounds better and not as scary or as the opposite. A Star Destroyer is more of a battleship, but when there are other much larger ships out there it don't seem that strong.
In Babylon 5 it's a Destroyer, vs a Cruiser vs a Battle Cruiser.
The Omega was a lot more powerful of a ship for a Destroyer then the Hyperion that was classified as a Heavy Cruiser in the same universe.

Skyth · « **Reply #61 on:** 14 June 2018, 17:11:37 »

The best scene from season 1...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOHqe0vokU

R.Tempest · « **Reply #62 on:** 14 June 2018, 23:20:43 »

Absolutely. ;D

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #63 on:** 15 June 2018, 01:07:16 »

Quote from: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 12 June 2018, 00:27:38

As far as costumes and props go, the show looks distinctly low-budget compared to DS9.

The difference in budget between DS9 and B5 was insane. The average episode of 90s Trek cost about a million to make, while Babylon 5 was half that. And while the number has never been published, Herman Zimmerman claimed that Emissary cost more to make than Star Trek VI, with much of that cost going into standing sets, props and costumes the production would use for years to come.

ColBosch · « **Reply #64 on:** 15 June 2018, 03:59:31 »

Quote from: Skyth on 14 June 2018, 17:11:37

The best scene from season 1...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOHqe0vokU

I've got to be honest, watching that scene now brought tears to my eyes.

BirdofPrey · « **Reply #65 on:** 15 June 2018, 05:44:07 »

Quote from: Skyth on 14 June 2018, 17:11:37

The best scene from season 1...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOHqe0vokU

Which is the better breakfast scene, though? That or bacon and eggs?
https://youtu.be/yVEJDwaTMfk

marauder648 · « **Reply #66 on:** 15 June 2018, 09:29:33 »

Until the Diet plan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_K2MtvpK20

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #67 on:** 15 June 2018, 09:48:27 »

Quote from: marauder648 on 15 June 2018, 09:29:33

Until the Diet plan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_K2MtvpK20

"No no no no. Food plan."

Skyth · « **Reply #68 on:** 15 June 2018, 10:17:23 »

Quote from: BirdofPrey on 15 June 2018, 05:44:07

Which is the better breakfast scene, though? That or bacon and eggs?
https://youtu.be/yVEJDwaTMfk

I prefer the Sinclair one. Even though I usually prefer Captain Scarecrow ;)

Banzai · « **Reply #69 on:** 15 June 2018, 11:52:55 »

Quote from: Mendrugo on 13 June 2018, 10:22:43

(snip)

My most hated season five arc was Byron and the telepath war. Whereas the telepath underground members shown in Seasons 1 and 2 were grungy looking character actors who looked like they were scared and on the run, Byron's crew looked like they stepped out of a shampoo model convention. I guess they stumbled on a lifetime supply of conditioner and cream rinse in Down Below.

(snip)

In the show, I wish they would have used some of the rogue telepaths they showed during the war against the Shadows rather than the fashion model versions as well. That whole arc was a waste.

I would have loved to see the real Telepaths War, the one where Lyta and Lennier die attacking the Psi Corps Headquarters; where Garibaldi hunts down Bester, hiding out in Paris, and drags him in for war crimes trial. The one that is only referred to in passing. That one.

roosterboy · « **Reply #70 on:** 15 June 2018, 12:12:29 »

The final act of Garibaldi’s pirsuit of Bester comes uears after the Telepath War and is shown in the third novel of the PsiCorps Trilogy. It’s a fairly good book.

mikecj · « **Reply #71 on:** 16 June 2018, 01:30:41 »

His final insight was awesome/

I am Belch II · « **Reply #72 on:** 16 June 2018, 07:52:09 »

There were so many good jokes and inside humor. It was some of the best parts of the show.

beachhead1985 · « **Reply #73 on:** 16 June 2018, 09:55:35 »

How good/bad are the novels?

roosterboy · « **Reply #74 on:** 16 June 2018, 11:12:37 »

Avoid all of them except:

The Shadow Within: Details Anna Sheridan's journey to Z'Ha'Dum and also stars Morden as another member of the expedition. JMS has said this one is 90% canon.

To Dream in the City of Sorrows: 100% canon, per JMS. Shows what happened with Sinclair between leaving Babylon 5 and "War Without End".

The Centauri Trilogy: Bridges the events of S5 and the finale and shows the final fates of several characters in more detail than we saw in the show.

The Psi-Corps Trilogy: The first two aren't that great but they do show the early history of the Corps and Bester. The last novel is post-Telepath War and shows Bester's final fate and gives hints about what happened to several other characters.

The Technomage Trilogy: This one... eh, I didn't like it so much because I find the Technomages tedious, but it ties into Crusade and The Shadow Within and other events from the series and if you actually like the Technomages you'll probably like these too. IIRC, Vir is a major character in this trilogy as well.

All the rest are crap.

marauder648 · « **Reply #75 on:** 17 June 2018, 02:39:48 »

One very good epsiode was Come the Inquisitor when 'Jack' came a calling to make sure Delenn and Johnny Nuke'em were up for the task at hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buaVRE4pExM

And here have some Narn ships including the Bin'Tak class dreadnought from the tabletop space ship combat game Babylon 5 Wars.

Deadborder · « **Reply #76 on:** 17 June 2018, 06:48:07 »

The Narn ships are very Terran Trade Authority-looking

Ruger · « **Reply #77 on:** 17 June 2018, 08:01:19 »

Quote from: marauder648 on 17 June 2018, 02:39:48

One very good epsiode was Come the Inquisitor when 'Jack' came a calling to make sure Delenn and Johnny Nuke'em were up for the task at hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buaVRE4pExM

I know many derided that episode, but it's always been one of my favorites, as it shows that the Vorlons are not always the "angels" they present themselves as to others...not to mention the final scene...and most especially, that final line...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiiLehA-U5g

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And here have some Narn ships including the Bin'Tak class dreadnought from the tabletop space ship combat game Babylon 5 Wars.

The Narn ships were, I believe, my favorites amongst all the ships introduced in Babylon 5...

Ruger

marauder648 · « **Reply #78 on:** 17 June 2018, 09:10:57 »

It was one of the things I liked about B5, all the ships looked very distinct, and you could tell at a glance what nation made what.

hell many years ago (and looking back at them god they need reworking!) I did some fan made fluff books for Babylon 5 Wars, the table top space ship game (lotta fun but very slow). Could link if folks wanted :)

Wrangler · « **Reply #79 on:** 17 June 2018, 11:22:11 »

Is the narn dreadnought considered to be canon?

marauder648 · « **Reply #80 on:** 17 June 2018, 11:27:36 »

Yep! The stuff in the B5 Wars books was canon. As was its Centauri equivalent

The Octurion class battleship and so much more :)

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #81 on:** 17 June 2018, 12:14:00 »

A couple of the Centauri ships from B5 Wars even made it into the show - they're in The Lost Tales, in the flash forward space battle

marauder648 · « **Reply #82 on:** 17 June 2018, 12:59:22 »

Aye like this thing, the Balvarin class carrier you see it for like 2 seconds in the background in The Lost Tales space battle

I am Belch II · « **Reply #83 on:** 17 June 2018, 19:55:10 »

It's to bad that the games both Babylon 5 games did t last long. There are still a lot of resources for both games out on the web. Some even still produce the miniatures.

Weirdo · « **Reply #84 on:** 17 June 2018, 21:21:21 »

Both the Balvarin and Kutai were seen in Lost Tales.

You want fun? The Centauri Haven patrol boats look almost exactly like the infantry minisubs from TRO 3085...and the Fleet Action scale minis are the prefect size. :)

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #85 on:** 17 June 2018, 22:00:18 »

So I'm watching through the first season because I never actually got the show when it was on the air and consequently only saw a few episodes and want to see the whole thing.

Just got to the episode about the aliens with the kid who's got a lung clot and their religion won't permit surgery.

Skipping all the Rule 4 stuff, because who wants to go into that can of worms, it makes me wonder about how, exactly, the species has even survived. I mean, really, a single puncture wound and you've apparently got to commit ritual suicide. Does not seem like their species is likely to win many knife fights.

kindalas · « **Reply #86 on:** 17 June 2018, 23:42:38 »

Quote from: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 June 2018, 22:00:18

So I'm watching through the first season because I never actually got the show when it was on the air and consequently only saw a few episodes and want to see the whole thing.

Just got to the episode about the aliens with the kid who's got a lung clot and their religion won't permit surgery.

Skipping all the Rule 4 stuff, because who wants to go into that can of worms, it makes me wonder about how, exactly, the species has even survived. I mean, really, a single puncture wound and you've apparently got to commit ritual suicide. Does not seem like their species is likely to win many knife fights.

I read somewhere that JMS said that puncturing the chest cavity was what the prohibition was all about. A scrape or compound fracture didn't count.

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #87 on:** 17 June 2018, 23:44:31 »

Quote from: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 17 June 2018, 22:00:18

So I'm watching through the first season because I never actually got the show when it was on the air and consequently only saw a few episodes and want to see the whole thing.

Just got to the episode about the aliens with the kid who's got a lung clot and their religion won't permit surgery.

Skipping all the Rule 4 stuff, because who wants to go into that can of worms, it makes me wonder about how, exactly, the species has even survived. I mean, really, a single puncture wound and you've apparently got to commit ritual suicide. Does not seem like their species is likely to win many knife fights.

not the most well thought out plot i'll admit. i usually skip that one myself.. the Rule4 stuff in it rubs me the wrong way in its heavyhandedness and how poorly thought out the plot was. especially since the surgery involved shouldn't have been an issue anyway.. even in '94 when it was filmed, there would have been a way to go in through the airway and remove the build up without cutting the kid open. by 2281 i'd imagine their medical tools would be even less invasive.

ColBosch · « **Reply #88 on:** 18 June 2018, 02:54:18 »

It wasn't species-wide. And let's move on from that, okay?

marauder648 · « **Reply #89 on:** 18 June 2018, 03:25:43 »

One very good B5 Season 1 Episode

Deathwalker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braDD-4ZYQk

The Dilgar were basically space Nazis with all that entailed but the B5 Wars stuff for them was very well written. You can also find a superb fanfiction about the Dilgar War here

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2594689/1/The-Dilgar-War

I just kinda wish the Dilgar looked a bit more like the Kilrathi

Rather than humans with slight feline atributes.