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Snow Raven campaign questions.
« on: 25 March 2019, 17:46:47 »
Hello, there is a game I'm running set in 3062, just as the Steel Vipers are returning to the Kerensky cluster. In this scenario the Snow Ravens have despatched a large portion of their fleet to intercept the Steel Vipers before they arrive at the Kerensky cluster.

The Steel Vipers, having just been defeated by the Jade Falcons, so will be sore and bitter. They have been forced to accept hegira and ejected from the Inner Sphere.

The Snow Ravens know that they do not stand a chance against the ground forces of the Steel Vipers. So the Ravens intend to claim or destroy those ground forces, while they are buttoned up in their dropships.

My question is when confronted by the Snow Raven fleet, would the Steel Vipers be more likely to only use their warships and fighters to defend their cargo ships? Or would they throw all of their vessels at the Ravens including transport carriers trying to cause as much damage and safe their army?

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« Reply #1 on: 25 March 2019, 19:28:50 »
In the scenario are the vipers arriving in one big fleet?

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« Reply #2 on: 25 March 2019, 19:52:35 »
Yes, it made sense that they would group up for the trip back to the home worlds. 10 warships to protect a convoy of about 59 jumps ships.

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« Reply #3 on: 25 March 2019, 21:14:18 »
The Steel Vipers would defend with everything they have.  If there is a usable planet or planetoid near by, the Vipers would most likely land as many of their ground forces as possible to keep them from dying in space. 

To answer you question, yes the Steel Vipers would defend with all of their aerospace and assault droppers, as well as all their warships.  The Ravens are a hated foe, and the Vipers would know they are coming to curbstomp them at their most vulnerable point. 
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« Reply #4 on: 25 March 2019, 21:53:37 »
Thanks for your input Rebs. I never thought about the Vipers using a planetoid, great idea!

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« Reply #5 on: 25 March 2019, 22:05:04 »
No problem, Kallor.  It's a good idea on your part to rewrite clan history by destroying or severely crippling the Vipers at their most vulnerable point.

Put one of those lunar maps to good use, because they would use anything.  And moons around jovian planets, even in otherwise uninhabitable star systems, would be prime places for transport to drop them while a space battle rages.

Keep us updated.  Let us know how the battle goes and the results.
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« Reply #6 on: 25 March 2019, 22:25:55 »
Brilliant! That could be the scenario, to drive past their escort and knock out as many transports before they make planet fall. Far easier to recover mechs and materials in space.

I will have to think on it, as it is I have to strip half the naval fleet to break them. But if they get to ground there is no way I could muster the ground troops needed.

Even with no witnesses I cant justify orbital bombardment...

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« Reply #7 on: 25 March 2019, 22:34:38 »
Right on.  The Ravens, no matter how Machiavellian they are described, are ultimately white hats.  Thats why they wanted to get away from the Clans in the first place.  They wouldn't use Orbital Bombardment not even on the Vipers. 

But they sure would strand the Viper's three main galaxies if they could. 
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« Reply #8 on: 25 March 2019, 22:35:49 »
Just blockade the planet they land on! If the viper get hit bad enough the rest of the clans will start trailing for their remains.
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« Reply #9 on: 25 March 2019, 23:00:53 »
A blockade would be standard practice for the Ravens, and if there was no atmosphere where the Vipers landed it would only take a few days? For them to capitulate... or die then recover the equipment.

Of course, I read that the Scorpuons have a bit of a rivalry with the Vipers, and if they were to find out where the Vipers were marooned...

Both your insights have been great, I cant wait read more. This sight is fantastic!


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« Reply #10 on: 25 March 2019, 23:30:23 »
This is what I like about this site, too.  Sharing ideas about a great game. 

You'll be marooning Alpha, Beta, and Gamma galaxies as far as I know.  Maybe even Psi galaxy brought in for garrison, but I'm not sure.  The first three are elite galaxies and this will likely stop lots of latter events from happening.  Such as the Vipers invasion of Lum.  If that doesn't happen, then the Vipers never get the plans for the Leviathan and they don't build the Perigard Zalman.  Brett Andrews never gets elected IlKhan, and the Reavings nevrr get called.   

The Vipers will still have a military force, but it will now be busy fending off trials from other clans, like Foxx was saying.

You may not get clans to come and destroy the Vipers you strand on a moon.  But you will get them to keep the rest of the Vipers busy.  And the Snow Ravens are perfect for it. 
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« Reply #11 on: 25 March 2019, 23:59:34 »
According to the Warden field manual there are 8 galaxies; Alpha, Neta and Gamma front line and Zeta, Rho,Chi, Omega and Psi are secondary. Leaving one frontline and one second line Galaxy.

Those were my thoughts, and my clan would not keep the bulk of the troops, too suspicious of outsiders. But it could get me great concessions perhaps even a blood name or two whether from a ransom or trade with other clans. I'm sure the Ghost bears would be interested in a galaxy or two of viper troops, since they will be into their first War with the Combine.
 

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« Reply #12 on: 26 March 2019, 00:14:29 »
Instead of the bears who will be a 6 month long journey, I could see the ravens taking them. Supply will start running low and you could start some harvest trials if the survivors are desperate enough. Otherwise I'd keep an eye out for cloud cobras coming in for a rescue if they feel they can take on the snow ravens. At the very least you could start trialing for genetic legacys and bloodname. The viper are honorable enough they would accept the trials, specially if they could counter to start getting rid of the blockade or rides back.
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« Reply #13 on: 26 March 2019, 00:21:42 »
That leaves the Vipers with only 4 or 5 galaxies after stranding their elite force (plus a second line Psi).  That's up to you how much force you want the Vipers to have.  I was just rattling off what I remember the Vipers having in the Inner Sphere.

And that's a good idea about the Ghost Bears.  They may want the extra troops.  Or they may not, since the Bears see their selves as a family. They may not be so welcome of outsiders.  But with a war going on, who knows. 

The beautiful part is you decide it.  BT canon is filled with improbable events.  Players and GMs are welcome to create more improbable moments.

(Foxx is right.  6 months at the fastest between the Homeworlds and the Inner Sphere)
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« Reply #14 on: 26 March 2019, 00:45:03 »
You're right Foxx, I hadn't thought of that. Another great perspective. I'm sure the Blood Spirits would enjoy the extra troops as well...though I dont plan on crossing the Adders. Not yet anyway.

Yes there are endless possibilities, I just want to erase the innate bumbling they wrote for the Ravens in the wars of Reaving. For a clan that is supposed to be politically astute they really fumbled that one.

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« Reply #15 on: 26 March 2019, 01:01:33 »
The Blood Spirits are a better choice.

Even the Scorpions would want to harvest trial for Viper warriors.  All rivalry aside, the Scorpions appreciate highly trained warriors. 

And yeah, the Ravens in the Wars of Reaving are beffudled.  Granted, they were victims of a ganging up by stronger Clans.  When they made their final escape with one big fleet, I was practically screaming "NOOOOOOOOOO ITS A TRAP!!!"  Why they would not split it into 3 convoys each taking a different route just eats at me something fierce.  That one was telegraphed and the Ravens by that woeful point should have known better.
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« Reply #16 on: 26 March 2019, 02:21:20 »
The Blood Spirits are a better choice.

Even the Scorpions would want to harvest trial for Viper warriors.  All rivalry aside, the Scorpions appreciate highly trained warriors. 

And yeah, the Ravens in the Wars of Reaving are beffudled.  Granted, they were victims of a ganging up by stronger Clans.  When they made their final escape with one big fleet, I was practically screaming "NOOOOOOOOOO ITS A TRAP!!!"  Why they would not split it into 3 convoys each taking a different route just eats at me something fierce.  That one was telegraphed and the Ravens by that woeful point should have known better.

 To be fair they had to explain somehow why the ravens had a much smaller fleet post republic. They fact it took multiple clans ganging up says something. Could be worse, could have your clan given evidence of the not named that makes you go beserker only to have nothing that corroborates it. I love uncle chandy but that was a dirty play.
 While politically astute, the ravens have also had their machinations blow up in their face, aka seafox/diamondshark. Could be worse, you didn't get the nickname clan butterfingers 😉.
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« Reply #17 on: 26 March 2019, 02:40:25 »
Keep us updated.  Let us know how the battle goes and the results.

Likewise. You've come up with an interesting scenario and a starting point for a non-Wars of Reaving alternate history.

Could be worse, could have your clan given evidence of the not named that makes you go beserker only to have nothing that corroborates it. I love uncle chandy but that was a dirty play.
 While politically astute, the ravens have also had their machinations blow up in their face, aka seafox/diamondshark. Could be worse, you didn't get the nickname clan butterfingers 😉.

Did the Bears ever actually find this out? I can't recall ever seeing an answer to that in a source.

Who got the nickname Clan Butterfingers?
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« Reply #18 on: 26 March 2019, 03:06:19 »
Despite scraping every bit of DNA they came across they never found any evidence of the not named. If they did it wasn't mentioned.
 The Ghost Bears got the nickname because of how they fumbled logistics during the clan invasion.
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« Reply #19 on: 26 March 2019, 12:57:13 »
I had to put the book down and stop reading once I read that they were massing their ships in a well known jump point.

As for trying to explain why they didnt have as many ships later in the lore... "Given the lack of threat from other warships and the cost of maintaining active warships, clan Snow Raven mothballed 4/5 of their navy. Out in the middle of nowhere, not near a system or anything. Making extremely unlikely anyone would stumble onto them in the void." There explained Haha!

I think I felt betrayed when they didnt even give as good as they got. If they had say crippled the fleets of the other clans at the same time I could have accepted it. But they just got hammered, for nothing but to make the plot points match.

I have to make some changes given the input, and will let you all know how it turns out.

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« Reply #20 on: 29 March 2019, 02:22:37 »
Let us know what changes you make, too.  This is an interesting "what if" scenario you're playing out. 

Avenge the Ravens!  And curbstomp those Vipers.
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« Reply #21 on: 29 March 2019, 23:15:04 »
*Priority Alpha Message*
To Khan McKenna

 Khan Lynn McKenna greetings. Since you negotiated for "Significant" news in the Inner Sphere as part of our continued trade agreement. I believe this certainly qualifies; Clan Steel Viper has been defeated and ejected from the Inner Sphere after accepting Hegira from the Jade Falcons.

I have no information as to the damage they suffered but it must have been grievous for them too accept honourable withdrawal from their holdings. I expect them to relieve their frustrations out on the home clans when they arrive.

May we continue to work together in furthering Kerensky's dream.
Khan Bjorn Jogensson.

*End Message*

 Three weeks after I received this message, I read a report from our Periphery facility TJ239H2 that a massive Viper fleet was passing through. Being a refulling station the Vipers topped up there fuel tanks for the long trip home. Between this and what we have been able to buy out of the Sharks, we can confirm the Vipers are slithering back to the hole.

 saKhan Bryn Cooper we can not allow the Steel Vipers to return to the home worlds with such are large force. They will undoubtedly be spoiling for a fight to prove they are still a viable threat. I will be finishing my efforts on Homer with Alpha Galaxy to rid the Cobras of the Vipers encroaching on their holding. I will be taking the 4th and 5th Raven Wing Clusters with my Naval Star.
 You are to head to Lum and collect the Corvidae and Drake, and load 4 stars of Tug dropships and technicians. I have sent orders to Star Admiral Lydia Sukhanov, to bring her Storm Crow star to the P7 system where you and I will rendezvous with the Circe Naval Star returning from escorting the Nova Cats. Together we will challenge the Vipers for their flotilla, catching just as they are leaving their P9 system with resupply base.

-message to saKhan Bryn Cooper from Khan Lynne McKenna.

Arriving at the Nadir jump point in the P7 system, we began planning for our comming trial. There is a gas giant 4 days from our Jump point with several moons in its orbit. My saKhan believes the Vipers will head for one of these moons to land their troops so as not to be slaughter in their bays. Despite his oddities, Bry Cooper is quite a capable tactician. So we have planned to move the buck of our fighters and dropships to lay 8 hours between the Nadir point and the moon. Star Admiral Hinda Shu has written a program that will have those fights and dropships slowly rotate and move to make them look like a large debris field.

Actual trial and results to follow.
 


 
 





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« Reply #22 on: 29 March 2019, 23:29:44 »
Sounds like a good setup so far. 

So when do you plan on playing it out?
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« Reply #23 on: 29 March 2019, 23:33:45 »
Thanks, I really enjoy the writing. Kind of wish I still had a computer, typing this up on my phone is painful. Haha

We will be playing this tomorrow.

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« Reply #24 on: 29 March 2019, 23:42:31 »
Good luck. May the Vipers fall and the future order change for the better. 
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« Reply #25 on: 30 March 2019, 00:46:38 »
Thanks, I really enjoy the writing. Kind of wish I still had a computer, typing this up on my phone is painful. Haha

We will be playing this tomorrow.

I respond on phone so I feel ya. Just have fun!! Turning points tokasha just came out and I plan on rocking that!!
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« Reply #26 on: 30 March 2019, 23:36:27 »
Battle set up:
The Raven fleet was broken up into three groups;

R1. Snow Raven, Lord Death, Blue Quest, Corvidae, Drake, James McKenna, Blizzard, White Terror, Spur, White Cloud, Mountbatton, Kerensky's Hope, Ark Royal, and Storm Crow and 340 fighters.

R2. 2 Miriborg, 11 Titan, and 23 Carrier dropships carrying 620 aero fighters.

R3. Wild Swan, Rook, Trachery, Scavanger, Tenacity, Muninn, Blackbeard and the Nestling. 50 aerofighters.

Viper forces were broken into three as well;

V1. Dark Asp, Ophidian, Serpantes, Zalman's Endeavor, Snake Pit, Martial Legacy, Constrictor, Snake-in-the-Grass and Coiled Serpent. With 27 Carrier and 17 Noruff dropships with 430 aerofighters.

V2. This group is all the jump ships, 7 Comitatus, 5 Hunter, 20 Invader, 11 Odessy, 2 Starlord and 14 Tramp. They sent there escort fighters with V1.

V3. Pit Viper, 31 Broadsword, 10 Confederate, 24 Lion, 12 Overlord, 14 Sassanid, 20 Union and 175 aerogughters.

V1 and R1 are the main battle, R2 is reserve and recovery. V2 is non-combatants and the prize for the R1-V1 battle. V3 is attempting to land on the closest moon 4 days away not realizing that the debris field is actually Raven forces. R2 is sitting 8 hours away from the jump point directly in the path of the Viper dropships. R2 only has enough fuel for 2 passes on the transports, then they must break off. They can still dogfight if the Viper escort wants to fight but cant dog the Vipers if they continue on to the moon.

R1 and V1 met and the fighting was fierce. In the opening salvos Zalman's Endeavor destroyed the Whitecloud(must have been fate.)

The second round saw the near complete annihilation of the Viper warship fleet. Zalman's Endeavor was cut in half by the Ark Royal's cannons. The Snake Pit was destroyed by the Blizzard, the Coiled Serpent fell to the Lord Death.

The Constrictor was the only Viper ship to only recieve light damage the rest received crippling damage.
With the Viper warships out of the way it was little effort to relieve the Raven aerofighters from their slugging match the Viper Dropship and fighter.

V3 headed straight into the Raven trap, when the debris field stopped floating and formed up and attacked. The Vipers were caught flat footed. This explained the initial success but the Vipers regrouped quickly and the second pass was far less effective. The Viper warship and fighters stayed for one more round to allow the dropships a chance to escape. When it became clear the Ravens weren't following the dropships the Vipers broke off and followed. Many of the fighters made good their withdrawal, the Pit Viper was not so lucky, losing her engines to LRM volleys from Kirghiz fighters.

VIPER losses:

Alpha Galaxy;
2nd Viper Guard: Sassanid
4th Viper Guard: Overlord, Sassanid
400 Assault Cluster: Sassanid
Alpha Newt Cluster: Sassanid, Union

Beta Galaxy;
195 Striker Cluster: Union x2
233 Battle Cluster: Sassanid
9th Viper Guard: Overlord

Gamma Galaxy;
94 Battle Cluster: Overlord
428 Assault Cluster: Overlord
57 Striker Cluster: Union x2

Zeta Galaxy;
1st Fang: Union
2nd Fang: Lion
38 Phalanx: Lion

Rho Galaxy;
141 Phalanx: Confederate, Lion
3rd Fang: Lion, Union
4th Fang: Union
164 Phalanx: Lion
5th Fang: Union

Chi Galaxy;
11 Viper Regulars: Sassanid

Omega Galaxy;
80 Fang: Confederate

Psi Galaxy;
144 Phalanx: Confederate, Lion
83 Fang: Confederate, Lion

Ravens were able to recover;
39 Frontline Mech Stars
25 Secondline Mech Stars
12 Elemental Stars
10 Infantry Stars
12 Aero Stars and 4 points
2 points of Broadsword
1 Star 4 point Carrier
2 point Confederate
1 point Lion
2 star 3 point Noruff
3 point Overlord
3 point Sassanid
1 star Union
Dark Asp
Ophidian
Serpantes
Martial Legacy
Constrictor
Snake in the Grass
Snake Pit- drifted into the gravity well and has to be tugged out before it can jump. This will take several days.
Lastly V2 was taken as Isorla.

Khan Zalman died on the Dark Asp, saKhan Andrews is in charge on the surface. Raven forces were occupied making salvage operations and repairs before saKhan Cooper is to return to Lum with the Command star, Storm Crow Star, Circe Star, and all Isorla taken. Leaving Swift Wing Naval star, 4th and 5th Wing clusters, Drake and Corvidae as replacements for the Whitecloud, to work as blockade. The two newly acquired Starlords are staying as well as two stars of Noruffs.

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« Reply #27 on: 31 March 2019, 01:57:03 »
That ended up being a pretty one-sided affair, huh?

Did you finish it all in one night or do you have more to play out?
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« Reply #28 on: 31 March 2019, 02:29:20 »
It became very one sided because of the sheer number of Raven  fighters and battleships. The damaged warships will cost a lot to repair and be down for a while. Even though I am pleased with the warship battle. The Viper touman lost less then a Galaxy of its ground force. So they weren't nearly as mauled as i had hoped, plus the cost in Naval repair is going to hurt.
My two friends each took a side and rolled the attacks. It was there crash course intro into large scale battles. I only rolled for classification of the dropships and to what unit they belonged.

I made the point of limiting the attack runs available on the dropships to balance it out and it seems to have really worked. I am making plans for which clans will move to attack the Viper ground Forces or offer to transport them home.
 

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« Reply #29 on: 31 March 2019, 08:14:40 »
May I ask which rules you used and how long the game lasted? I want to run something similar

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« Reply #30 on: 31 March 2019, 13:36:34 »
This was a whole day affair for us. So we broke this engagement up into several sections.
For the R1-V1 battle we split the capital from non-capital, we played the capital in aerospace rules to get the most detail out of the damage. We played for 5 turns then took a picture of the map and cleared it for the non-capital play. Then we used lighty modified rules to play the non capital, battle force for five turns.

This is when we made the decision either repeat or merge the two halves. Because the capital had a clear winner we merged the two and used Advanced Strategic Aerospce. So each warship had a small aerofighter battle around them. We again ran 5 turns took a picture and reset the board and moved down the line.

For R2-V3 we were getting tired and got lazy so we just smashed this part through through Combat Operations. This was quick and dirty.

On their own they were fun little battles, then when we looked at them as a whole it made the entire picture take shape.

Then was a matter of rolling which dropships belonged to which units then rolling recovery and salvage.

There was really never any question who would win, it was more a question of how much damage the Raven's would suffer and how much of the Vipers they could capture and destroy.

Yes some liberies were taken with the rules and maybe even dare I say it some "fudging" but it's a game and I love the roleplaying  and story telling as much as the combat.

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« Reply #31 on: 31 March 2019, 15:15:13 »
Sounds like it was a blast! Not a bad way to spend the day.
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« Reply #32 on: 31 March 2019, 16:12:49 »
It was a riot, albeit a quiet one. We enjoyed choosing which unit had which dropship and what jumpship they rode. Salvage time is always fun, it's like a present, 6ou dont know what new toy you get to walk away with. Ha

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« Reply #33 on: 31 March 2019, 16:17:42 »
This looks like it was a pretty awesome fight.

Based on the losses, it really does look like the Vipers might be ripe for absorption - they've lost nearly their entire warship forces, are reeling from the beating they took from the Falcons, not to mention the mauling the Snow Ravens gave them.

The Ravens are also in a great place to be the absorbers.  They've just crushed the Viper fleet and have 2/3rds of their (remaining) ground forces blockaded in a similar manner that the Star Adders do York (and the Vipers are likely to run out of food eventually).  "We've already done the hard work, any other clan would just be picking over our droppings!"

Anyways, definitely wouldn't mind seeing how the future plays out here.  :)

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« Reply #34 on: 31 March 2019, 17:15:48 »
This looks like it was a pretty awesome fight.

Based on the losses, it really does look like the Vipers might be ripe for absorption - they've lost nearly their entire warship forces, are reeling from the beating they took from the Falcons, not to mention the mauling the Snow Ravens gave them.

The Ravens are also in a great place to be the absorbers.  They've just crushed the Viper fleet and have 2/3rds of their (remaining) ground forces blockaded in a similar manner that the Star Adders do York (and the Vipers are likely to run out of food eventually).  "We've already done the hard work, any other clan would just be picking over our droppings!"

Anyways, definitely wouldn't mind seeing how the future plays out here.  :)

Agreed! Keep us informed

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« Reply #35 on: 31 March 2019, 23:15:57 »
Awesome how much can get accomplished using the right rules.

Keep us informed, and any questions ask them here.  The BattleTech hive mind community can have some really unexpected answers.

And I'm rooting for Viper Absorption.  All those Viper bloodhouses should compliment the Snow Ravens perfectly. 
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« Reply #36 on: 01 April 2019, 04:59:16 »
Awesome how much can get accomplished using the right rules.

Keep us informed, and any questions ask them here.  The BattleTech hive mind community can have some really unexpected answers.

And I'm rooting for Viper Absorption.  All those Viper bloodhouses should compliment the Snow Ravens perfectly.


Man a severely weakened or absorpted viper clan would have really changed the timeline!

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« Reply #37 on: 01 April 2019, 17:32:05 »
Thanks for all the interest and support, I am planning the next stage and though it wont be what you expect, I'm sure you wont be dissatisfied either.

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« Reply #38 on: 06 April 2019, 17:05:23 »
I need a little help, i have decided to move Alpha Galaxy to Marshall to take the Viper enclave. I want the orbital dropship facilities they control.

My question is, with what happened in the last part would the other clans present have already moved on them? Would they try to block my troops from landing? Marshall being the MOST contested system innclan space after the SJ annihilation.

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« Reply #39 on: 06 April 2019, 18:35:57 »
Depends on the clan forces but with how weak the viper are I could see other clans going into a feeding crenzy.
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« Reply #40 on: 06 April 2019, 18:49:44 »
Meaning, I would probably arrive in the middle of that frenzy.

Vipers have 2 secondline clusters
Star Adders have 2 front and 2 second plus the Blacklion cruiser
Goliath Scorpion have 2 frontline 3 secondline plus Firewheel battle group and a Potemkin
Fire Mandrill (Mattila-Carol) 1frontline 1 secondline plus Lola III
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« Reply #41 on: 06 April 2019, 21:14:36 »
As long as no one starts bidding warships into the mix no one else will. I could see the ice hellion zero rushing. Adders I could see taking a wait and watch approach to trial from the exhausted winner. Jade falcon might just eat popcorn while the fire mandrills go in to get theirs since they have a frontline unit there.
 The scorpions are who I would watch to see what they do myself since they have the most on planet.
 Given your ground forces you might be stretching yourself thin trying to take and hold.
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« Reply #42 on: 06 April 2019, 22:10:29 »
That is a great analysis, thank you. Being so pro-Raven I tend to think like one and use my best tools. Where other clans dislike warship combat at the least.

You're right, even though I have shuffled things around since aquite some Viper troops it is still an up hill fight. My other option is to show up and actually just target the orbital dropship facility. Reading tech 3057, it says a small ship yard (10,000tons max) weighs itself at only 2500tons. So can it be attached to a jumpship or laoded in a warships large cargo bay? Since some of those bays are can hold over 300,000tons. Then just move it to Bearclaw or Lum?

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« Reply #43 on: 06 April 2019, 22:21:46 »
Moving them is a great idea but will be a process that opens you up for trailing during the process. What you don't want to do is waste your ground forces taking it only to lose it to a stronger clan. So at this point it's a cost analysis, is the dropship yards worth It? Or should you focus consolidating what you've gained.
 You could wait for a clan to take them and trailing to use them for a set amount of time. Another consideration is the resources to building said dropship's and what you have to spend.
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« Reply #44 on: 06 April 2019, 22:38:04 »
I have pride but giving credit where it is due, the Noruff would go well in Raven fleets. But if it were an orbital facility, doesnt that mean it would be guarded in space. I could see the Vipers using a Comitatus or two stationed near by to guard it. I shouldn't need to land at all, if that were the case.

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« Reply #45 on: 06 April 2019, 22:50:21 »
I would trial you on the ground then mock you and the previous five generations of your bloodline if you refused to get your goat.
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« Reply #46 on: 06 April 2019, 22:57:32 »
To answer your question: Yes the Ravens could simply trial for the shipyard, even larger shipyards are likely somewhat mobile - in that you can probably break down the important bits and stick them in warship/big dropship holds, some of the skeleton might be left, but the guts are the important bits.  I'll also add that while shipyards themselves are often pretty small, many of us consider the shipyard to be where the factory line ends (ie. the ship is simply put together here), while there are many other larger satellites and facilities that are likely working on individual components - some of which may not even be built in the same system, and some may be based on ground factories.

As for the situation itself, depending on how strategically minded you want Khan McKenna to be (we have evidence of her being very politically adept, but not necessarily the strategic acumen of some other leaders), the smart thing would be to strike at areas they think they can capture quickly and hold - which, in all honesty, probably isn't very much right now.  The Ravens were "gifted" large portions of Ghost Bear holdings and are still working on consolidating and integrating those, and Hellgate is going to be a heavily prioritized target (this is the time the Ravens took Hellgate back canonically).  Even with nearly a galaxy's worth of additional material, the Ravens lack the manpower to immediately field these, they'll be good for replacing damaged material, but not much else in the near future.

Regarding the potential situation, I do think it would be more interesting if the Ravens were to need to take a portion of the planet - they have a general enmity against the Vipers, so that portion is a good target, but they've also got a target in the Hellions, who pushed them off Marshall during the invasion of the Inner Sphere.  With six-seven clans fighting over portions of the planet, things could get very interesting.  Personally I think I'd only commit 2 or 3 clusters to the planet (I'd probably use the 4th Wing, 1st Phalanx, and 6th Battle), they would be used primarily to present a target for the other clans while the orbital yards would be disassembled and moved (my choice would actually be to Bearclaw, rather than Lum).


As an aside, I consider there to be two major reasons why the Ravens fared so poorly during the Wars of Reaving.  First is that they were in two places at once, having a good portion of their naval power in the Sphere limited what they could bring to bear and that extra naval star or two might have been able to crush the incursions into Lum.  Second, they were attacked about 5-7 years too early, with a bunch of extra holdings given them by the Bears, they had to increase their touman to compensate, that level of manpower wouldn't have been available to them until the creches decanted shortly after the Bears left came of age, 3067 was much too early for them.

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« Reply #47 on: 06 April 2019, 23:06:11 »
Haha what a great answer!

Unfortunately last time we were goaded/persuaded, it cost us 18% of Lum to the Flacons.

If you were the Vipers, would you send your last 5 warships as eacort with Jumpships to go collect your troops? I was going to role trials with the stranded troops, if they lost they would be harvested but if they won they would get transport back to an enclave.

The clans I had selected were Hell's Horse, reason being they learned of trapped troops straight from Snow Raven on Bearclaw.
Wolf because they always need more troops.
Diamond Shark because they could hope to sell them passage. I dismissed the rest of the clans for various reasons.

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« Reply #48 on: 06 April 2019, 23:24:00 »
Vition2, thanks for the great post. I had forgotten about the IH and Marshall. I believe you are correct that as much as I'd like to go charging in, repairs and watching are more important. Besides the repairs to the fleet are fairly hefty, though not disabled they would take a couple weeks per ship to repair. And that's not rebuilding the salvaged Viper ships, that's a lot of resources.

I had though Bearclaw as well since it has good manufacturing and the asteroid mines.

As much as the others were hoping for absorbtion of the Vipers and I can see that happening, it wont be by the Ravens.

That is a fair, level and unbiased assessment of the wars of Reaving. Now I haven't read it since it came out so I would have to double check, but I thought the Adder fleet was at most one star if not 4 ships. Versus the Raven 10, then a second fleet of 4 ships (Scorpion) attacked right after. How did two smaller uncoordinated attacks destroy a larger force that specialized in Naval warfare?

But I am biased. Haha

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« Reply #49 on: 06 April 2019, 23:24:57 »
Depending on supply I would hit you on bearclaw to distract you, then send in relieving forces. I don't have to accept your aero batchal and can put egg on your face if you don't grant me safcon. There's other aero clans who are watching closely and ready to strike and knock down the top aero clan. This is my 2 kerenskys tho and I'm still rooting for the ravens.
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« Reply #50 on: 06 April 2019, 23:57:10 »
If you were the Vipers, would you send your last 5 warships as eacort with Jumpships to go collect your troops? I was going to role trials with the stranded troops, if they lost they would be harvested but if they won they would get transport back to an enclave.

Leaving your enclaves without warship support when the Ravens are on the warpath may not be the best idea, but the Ravens are going to need to beat the Vipers on the ground to really take territory, so they would do one of two things, imo.  1) They would send them to "rescue" their blockaded forces.  2) They would attack the Ravens directly in one of their systems.  With Andrews in charge, he's likely going to order the first option, "get me off this rock, NOW!!!!!!" even though it's likely to fail (even with damage, the Swift Wing naval star is very beefy).

The clans I had selected were Hell's Horse, reason being they learned of trapped troops straight from Snow Raven on Bearclaw.
Wolf because they always need more troops.
Diamond Shark because they could hope to sell them passage. I dismissed the rest of the clans for various reasons.

As a Raven, I would actually consider a short-term alliance of sorts with the Horses.  While the Horses and Ravens aren't exactly friends, they don't have much historical enmity either (iirc).  I would offer them the chance to gain the territories of the Falcons, Hellions and Vipers.  Without actually working together, they'd both target the same clan, gradually wearing them down.  Then token trials to hand over the territory to the Horses.  In return, the Ravens get the time to move the orbital yards, and the Horses gift via token trials, roughly 10% of Bearclaw.

As for what the Horses would do, I'll second Foxx Ital's suggestion of hitting places before the Ravens could get to them.  While a "distraction" by hitting enclaves on another planet wouldn't necessarily work (the Ravens have plenty of forces there too), a blitzkrieg against the Vipers could capture a lot of territory before the Ravens arrived - but I think they would leave the naval yards for the Ravens, they're going to be able to intuit what the Ravens are really after and they aren't going to commit the necessary forces to capture and keep the orbital yards from the Ravens.

Re: the Lum Naval battles - The Lum Garrison Fleet, while strong, was fairly weak on the armor front.  They had a couple of Aegis and a couple of Potemkin as their major hitters, but Potemkin are not considered to be mainline combatants, so the fluff probably took that into consideration.  (I'm going to point to Dragon Cat's AU where many more space battles happen, battleships are significantly more powerful than cruisers regardless of their actual stats, while cruisers are more power than destroyers and...)  I was also a bit upset with how many of the naval battles went down with regards to the Ravens, but I can see how and why it was done - though I do wish that very last massive convoy had made it to the Alliance, most of the warships get blown up, but the unarmed transports and maybe one of the Potemkin make it out of there (but it didn't happen  :'().

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« Reply #51 on: 07 April 2019, 00:53:10 »
Leaving your enclaves without warship support when the Ravens are on the warpath may not be the best idea, but the Ravens are going to need to beat the Vipers on the ground to really take territory, so they would do one of two things, imo.  1) They would send them to "rescue" their blockaded forces.  2) They would attack the Ravens directly in one of their systems.  With Andrews in charge, he's likely going to order the first option, "get me off this rock, NOW!!!!!!" even though it's likely to fail (even with damage, the Swift Wing naval star is very beefy).

As a Raven, I would actually consider a short-term alliance of sorts with the Horses.  While the Horses and Ravens aren't exactly friends, they don't have much historical enmity either (iirc).  I would offer them the chance to gain the territories of the Falcons, Hellions and Vipers.  Without actually working together, they'd both target the same clan, gradually wearing them down.  Then token trials to hand over the territory to the Horses.  In return, the Ravens get the time to move the orbital yards, and the Horses gift via token trials, roughly 10% of

Fantastic points! I thought Andrew's would do something like that. I was hoping to build a better relation with Hell's Horse, not too upset the Bears but they are in the Sphere and Ravens are opportunistic.

Thank you for your posts they are a pleasure to read.

Foxx your ideas are tactical and sound, so thank you as well.

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« Reply #52 on: 07 April 2019, 01:52:58 »
Yeah at this point the bears are only good for breaking backs <wor reference>
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« Reply #53 on: 07 April 2019, 03:47:25 »
I fell alseep early and missed much!  Go for those orbital yards, tow them out, transport and yes beware getting drawn into a fight on Marshall that isn't for you.  Raven fans or not, the Snow Raven ground forces are fairly anemic and are best used consolidating thair hold on their own territory and readying for a strike from either the Vipers or some other Clan, such as the Adders (who are secretly looking to supplant the Snow Ravens as the top fleet in Clan space).
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« Reply #54 on: 11 April 2019, 11:22:12 »
Following up on this: are you factoring in that Brett andrews would still become senior khan?

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« Reply #55 on: 11 April 2019, 20:48:49 »
Yes, just plotting and scheming in true Raven fashion. Trying to work another clan into absorbing/finishing the Vipers for me. I had planned that Brett Andrew's may try to start the Reavings/go nutts early.

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« Reply #56 on: 14 April 2019, 15:33:22 »
The Vipers having lost even more troops to Horse, Wolf and Shark, arrive at New Kent. Where their limited remaining transports are used to deliver some support to their holdings. The Viper touman is a shell of its former self, but it is not to be counted out. They still field 8 frontline and 11 second line clusters. To prove they are still a threat, they attacked some neighbours on Grant's Station and Marshall, gaining just 3% to 5%.

Snow Raven calls for a Grand Council meeting;

July 3063, Grand Council, Strana Mechty.

McKenna: "My fellow Khans, in the last year we have seen one of our brother and suffer a series of Grievous defeats. This one strong invading Clan has been ejected from their Holdings in the Inner Sphere and lost over 60% of their touman. So I motion for the absorption of Clan steel Viper to stop their slide into annihilation."

Brett Andrews: "You carrion picking Surrat! Your dishonorable tactics will not succeed!"

Din Steiner: "What I believe my fellow Khan means is though reduced, they are still a potent force. For have they not already expanded their Holdings in three separate systems they occupy?"

McKenna: "The desperate acts of a dying Clan, nothing more."

Andrews: "Treacherous! You could not hope to defeat us on the ground so you waited until we were bottled up in our ships. You even needed help from your Lackeys!"

At this insult, several other Khans jumped up and began shouting. The room was not fully split, but the Cobras were leading the defence of there fellow clan. In the end Andrew's childish outbursts and desperate accusations lost him the vote and the Trial for absorbtion was passed.

This was a hard part for me, whether to let another clan absorb them or do it myself. Flipped a coin, fortune favours the bold!

But just like the adjournment of the Cats and the fighting over the Jaguars holdings being free for all. There was some interference from other clans.

Under direct orders from McKenna, Regean McCorkell "staged" a trial and lost their holding on Brim to the Cobras. For their support in the council chamber for the absorbtion and future co-operation.

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« Reply #57 on: 14 April 2019, 15:34:00 »
Arcadia:Ravens; 6th and 7th Raven regulars attack using strike and fade techniques against the superior force. The Vipers 93rd Assult cluster and the 167 Phalanx are defending.

Homer: Cloud Cobra rolled over the 14th Viper Regulars and the 29 Fang.

New Kent: Vipers defend with the 5 remaining front line clusters to make it from the inner Sphere and 3 secondline clusters as well as their last remaining naval star. Attacking with both Apha and Beta (added the 97 Strike cluster from Gamma)

Marshall: The Goliath Scorpions are staging trials against the Vipers, 104 Assault, 17 Viper regulars, and the 13q Phalanx.

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« Reply #58 on: 14 April 2019, 15:42:21 »
Is this going on now?  If so, I can't wait to read the results when it's finished.
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« Reply #59 on: 14 April 2019, 16:54:13 »
Is this going on now?  If so, I can't wait to read the results when it's finished.

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« Reply #60 on: 14 April 2019, 23:38:32 »
Battle of New Kent:

The Snow Raven was flanked by the Blue Quest and Lord Death, ignoring both the Sarna Mercer and Pride of New Kent and focused in the Steel Python. The Wild Swan and Scavenger we're on the Left Flank and turn broadside began trading blows with snake leader and the Anaconda respectively. Engaging at extreme range the ships exchanged fire for 3 Rounds before finally crippling the Steel Python. This allowed the Sarna Mercer to get within long range and go broadside. She cut loose with their cannons straight into the Snow Raven's nose, the Snow Raven returned fire. The Blue Quest and Lord Death began peppering the Pride of New Kent with white shark missiles trying to disable her.

This battle was a fun battle to play, using the ships to preform more surgical strikes then just blowing them up.

Next, the true battle for New Kent!

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« Reply #61 on: 14 April 2019, 23:39:19 »
Steel Viper forces, the 400th Assault held the center, flanked by the 423rd Assault and the Viper Fussilers. Next to these were the 9th and 10th Fang, the 33rd phalanx anchored off the 9th Fang holding the left Flank. There were no signs of the 1st and 2nd Viper guards.

Snow Raven forces, the first Phalanx lined up against a 33rd phalanx, next along the line was the 6th Raven Battle, 9th Ravens Striker, 14th Raven Battle Stoop and lastly holding the far end of the line was the 97th Striker.

Once the two forces locked up the first of the Raven surprises arrived, the three battle armor Trinaries of the 1st Phalanx arrived to meet their counterparts in the 33rd but they were riding assault mechs formerly of the 428th assault. The second surprise was that these battle armor were all Salamanders the flamers causing havoc on their infantry counterparts.


The third surprise was that half of the mectron are he's in the other clusters were all supernovas carrying battle armor has recently recovered.

The Vipers sprang a surprise of their own, the 1st and 2nd came bull rushing from the backfield. Smashing into the 97th Stryker, with sheer will was Star Colonel Lom Shu able to hold the line not letting the Vipers get behind his Trothkin.

The last surprise which really should have been no surprise at all if anyone's ever fought a raven before. The fighters came the 4th 5th and 9th wings plus all cluster aero support 570 Aero Fighters, bombing, strafing, and precisesclose quarters strikes.

The most notable part of the bottle came when the Vipers finally broke through the 97th line. Lom Shu fired all his weapons into the back of the passing mechs, killing Brett Andrew's when his reactor breached.

The First Viper Guards, 33rd Phalanx, and the 9th Fang were completely wiped out. The remaining Viper clusters suffered catastrophic losses, leaving barely a star standing each.

The 97th Striker is, for all inten and purpose destroyed, but with Lom Shu up for the Order of the Raven, it is likely the cluster will be rebuilt. The remaining clusters suffered 40% to 50% losses. The silver lining being there was considerable salvage recovered.

Next, Gamma Galaxy will arrive on Arcadia to relieve Kappa Galaxy clusters and finish off the Steel Vipers. Also Alpha Galaxy will load backup and head to Marshall not knowing that the glass scorpions have attacked the Steel Viper Enclave.

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« Reply #62 on: 15 April 2019, 12:10:54 »
Keep it coming! I can't get enough of the Steel Viper Absorption. 

And now we also have the Goliath Scorpions involved. Wonder how that will turn out.   
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« Reply #63 on: 15 April 2019, 12:28:09 »
Looks like it was a good fight.  I'm kinda wondering what the actual outcome looked like - the loss of equipment is pretty important but in the immediacy the loss/gain of Mechwarriors and Pilots are going to be more important - especially well blooded warriors.  With more than a Galaxy's worth of isorla from the first strike much of the equipment can probably be made good on.  I am a bit worried about the shift in political orientation and Raven culture if too many ex-Vipers are rushed through their bondsman-ship.

On the plus side the losses definitely allow for more interesting options once the Viper-Raven absorption ends.  The Ravens are going to need a period of rebuilding but will likely have the materials and territory to increase their touman by upwards of 50%, maybe even more.  I would love to see their fleet grow to 50-60ish, and their ground forces to increase to roughly 5 front-line and 7 second-line galaxies - but I don't see that happening for a couple decades at least.

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« Reply #64 on: 15 April 2019, 13:01:40 »
No doubt, I'd love to see the Ravens fleet grow from this fight.  I hope you had some good boarding actions.  Everyone knows the Snow Raven elementals are really Space Marines. 
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« Reply #65 on: 15 April 2019, 13:55:29 »
No doubt, I'd love to see the Ravens fleet grow from this fight.  I hope you had some good boarding actions.  Everyone knows the Snow Raven elementals are really Space Marines

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« Reply #66 on: 15 April 2019, 13:57:47 »
Looks like it was a good fight.  I'm kinda wondering what the actual outcome looked like - the loss of equipment is pretty important but in the immediacy the loss/gain of Mechwarriors and Pilots are going to be more important - especially well blooded warriors.  With more than a Galaxy's worth of isorla from the first strike much of the equipment can probably be made good on.  I am a bit worried about the shift in political orientation and Raven culture if too many ex-Vipers are rushed through their bondsman-ship.



On the plus side the losses definitely allow for more interesting options once the Viper-Raven absorption ends.  The Ravens are going to need a period of rebuilding but will likely have the materials and territory to increase their touman by upwards of 50%, maybe even more.  I would love to see their fleet grow to 50-60ish, and their ground forces to increase to roughly 5 front-line and 7 second-line galaxies - but I don't see that happening for a couple decades at least.

In this alternative timeline are the jags bears and nova cats all still gone?

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« Reply #67 on: 15 April 2019, 15:25:53 »
In this alternative timeline are the jags bears and nova cats all still gone?

From what I've based my replies on, the only thing that changed was that the Ravens decided to attack the Vipers once they were kicked out of the Sphere, so I've been going with the Jags, Bears and Cats being gone.  It seems Kallor is using the 3062 planetary control percentages, so if he were to bring any of those three back in, then some of the control on certain planets would change a fair bit.

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« Reply #68 on: 15 April 2019, 18:47:59 »
Looks like it was a good fight.  I'm kinda wondering what the actual outcome looked like - the loss of equipment is pretty important but in the immediacy the loss/gain of Mechwarriors and Pilots are going to be more important - especially well blooded warriors.  With more than a Galaxy's worth of isorla from the first strike much of the equipment can probably be made good on.  I am a bit worried about the shift in political orientation and Raven culture if too many ex-Vipers are rushed through their bondsman-ship.

On the plus side the losses definitely allow for more interesting options once the Viper-Raven absorption ends.  The Ravens are going to need a period of rebuilding but will likely have the materials and territory to increase their touman by upwards of 50%, maybe even more.  I would love to see their fleet grow to 50-60ish, and their ground forces to increase to roughly 5 front-line and 7 second-line galaxies - but I don't see that happening for a couple decades at least.

I can get you the numbers of personel lost, no too many deaths. And thanks to the Ravens specializing in Slavage recovery, there was lots of damaged equipment reclaimed.

I needed those three trinary of assaults and the BA for this battle, but after this, the doors are closed. All others will be lower castmen or traded away. As for the sibkos being raised, they will be traded away. I will be suspending breeding of the newly acquired blood names, then starting them back up when i can train and raise them with Raven instructors with Raven ideals. I may allow Viper Mechwarriors to train but they will be watched.

And one cool note, I can trade out every secondline or unwanted mech in my touman for the best Omnis the Vipers had. Something to be said for having a small mech force.

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« Reply #69 on: 15 April 2019, 18:50:51 »
How's the warship salvage? I want to read about a strong Raven fleet after the Absorption.
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« Reply #70 on: 15 April 2019, 19:18:47 »
It is good, but it is not finished. The materials that I can get from both Bearclaw and New Kent will greatly help my repairs. Quality over quantity.

I intend to acquire the Outpost rights, trading the 10 armor for 6 fighters makes it the perfect Triad Carrier. Also the two Nightlord that the Ravens now have are adding bay doors. Instead of 100 mechs they'll carry 100 fighters. I never understood why they wouldn't have already done that, being a fighter clan. Last a similar mod on the Cooper class dropship(formally the Mercer) makes it a great replacement for the old Carriers.

I'm not a huge customes guy,  more of a "logical tweak" kind of guy.

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« Reply #71 on: 15 April 2019, 20:06:51 »
Those sound like good tweaks.  Heh, I wasn't aware the Nightlords carried Mechs. I would have figured all fighters, too. 

In this AU, did the two Conquerors get built yet? Those are sweet fighter carriers.  Almost as good as the Thera they "salvage/boarded" during the Jihad. 

Ships like them can house entire galaxies.

This goes a little off topic, but I love Raven talk.
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« Reply #72 on: 15 April 2019, 20:13:51 »
Thanks. Yes the two Conquers are built , they were finished by 3059. I was planning on taking two of the last 3 Kimagure still around and upgrade them into another pair of Conquers. You spoiled the surprise! Haha ;)

All good, i enjoy the Raven talk too.

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« Reply #73 on: 15 April 2019, 20:30:55 »
Ha, I takes two to spoil, haha. 

With Brett Andrews now dead in your AU, the idea of the Reavings dies with with him.  Yet the Society and caste rebellion and Clan Burrock reborn are still likely to happen, just at later dates now.   They just don't have the Reavings to force their hands early.  Your AU Ravens have time to repair and develop, and move to the OA in a more orderly way.
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« Reply #74 on: 15 April 2019, 20:34:50 »
The Reavings will continue. It will be another mad man (or woman) leading the charge. Plus there still may ba Society (the true harbinger of doom in the home worlds) to deal with.
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« Reply #75 on: 15 April 2019, 20:54:14 »
It won't be a Viper who comes up with the idea, though.  They're Absorbed. 

Hahaha, what if Garret Sainze is elected IlKhan, and actually sticks?  What if his reign is crazier than the Reavings ever were, thus triggering the Society and the ressurgent Clan Burrock?  That would be something.
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« Reply #76 on: 15 April 2019, 21:47:28 »
I was thinking of having one of two things happen, either the absorbtion wars where three or four other clans get absorbed. Leaving fewer clans but with greater strength or...perhaps Rebs is right it takes two Spoil!

I'll finish off the rest of this absorbtion shortly. 

As always, suggestions are always welcome!
 

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« Reply #77 on: 16 April 2019, 06:49:04 »
My big question is how you are going to address the great refusal?

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« Reply #78 on: 16 April 2019, 20:25:47 »
My big question is how you are going to address the great refusal?

As a Raven, I believe in the Letter of the Law. So any state not of the Inner Sphere is fair game, such as Periphery or pirate states. Second it was a arrangement with the Star League, once that is dissolved, so is the deal.

That's my take on it, anyway.

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« Reply #79 on: 17 April 2019, 06:03:36 »
I would be afraid of the power vacuum this is all going to cause, while the ravens have the strongest navy they don't have a monopoly and we've seen what happens when the adders and cobras team up.
 I would personally refrain from modding the nightlords if only for the fact they make such great troop transports,which you'll need if you want to move forces en mass.
 Modding them also means putting them in dock for a while which will weaken your forces, not exactly something you wanna do when you now have clans gunning for your spoils. It may be time to consolidate before the ravens bite off more than they can chew and outsmart themselves. That's never happened to them right? ^_^
 Maybe use some of the new territory to strengthen relationships with other clans? If you start snubbing the other clans while flouting clan law,well we've seen how that turns out right? Wasn't clan mongoose also a decent naval clan?
 That said this is only my opinion and I'm enjoying your game.
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« Reply #80 on: 17 April 2019, 13:39:01 »
Thank you Foxx for your input, I only suggested the Nighlord mod because the Dark Asp was going into drydock anyway because of the damage she took. But I can leave the Snow Raven as is, since it has only taken armor damage.

I wanted to strengthen ties with the Cobras but with the joint defence deal with the Adders(formerly Burrock) they are quite close. I guess I should temper my aggression that I had originally planned for the Goliath Scorpions.

I know we caused the extinction of the Sea Fox and that has been a sore spot. We did offer Surikia(pardon spelling I dont have my book handy) and the FM says that the Sharks are content to continue to profit with their merchants against us. So given all that, would the Sharks be a good potential ally?

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« Reply #81 on: 17 April 2019, 13:56:36 »
Yes.  The Sharks are always looking to increase profit.  It's been so long since "the incident" that the Sharks won't hold that against the Ravens.  Just offer them future trade rights and certain trading post worlds in the OA (which happens anyway), and perhaps even transport services, or rights for certain resources at places like Bearclaw.  The Shark Foxes are remarkably easy to please with the right offers.  You're not letting any "secrets" go, the Shark Foxes know everything, anyway, due to how far they range and their sophisticated Clan Watch. At this point, both Clans are begininng to realize their fate is not in the Kerensky Cluster, anyway.  An alliance between the two Clans would benefit both.
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« Reply #82 on: 17 April 2019, 14:44:45 »
Getting an "Ally" of any sort is probably unlikely. Most of their allies, or at least those they were on semi-friendly terms with, are either in a poor spot, or have already moved most/all of their forces to the Sphere.  What's left is the Blood Spirits, who are currently in a very unenviable position.

The tit-for-tat that rebs is suggesting could certainly work, but at this point in time, the Ravens have only been in contact with the Outworlds for maybe a year, they don't own anything there yet and what we know about the future of the setting is not what the characters in the setting know.

Personally, I think the best option would be to fan the flames of aggression for one clan against another.  In fact that might present the opportunity for the Ravens to relocate if you are still planning on having them do that.  If you still want to target the Scorpions the Ravens can manufacture some issue between them and the Hellions and watch them have at it, then pick at specific places to take between them - possibly throw in some of the Mandrills for good measure.  The counter strike here is that once the two clans realize that the Ravens created this, they turn on them, and combined push the Ravens into such a corner that they decide to relocate - their newfound strength will likely allow them to complete the exodus much more intact than the canon timeline.

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« Reply #83 on: 17 April 2019, 21:52:53 »
Thanks guys, once this absorbtion is complete, the Ravens will be consolidating on the new holdings and rebuilding. There are more fighters, and dropships to build plus new mech factories the Vipers had. The Scylla is a good looking Mech.

One goal would be to get the production rights to Salamander Armor, it was my first time using them and I liked them. The blurb says, I am buying them from the Wolves but there should be no reason I can not talk with one of the kindraa, or have Blood Spirit do it for me.

I haven't sent any ships to the Inner Sphere yet, but if I dont get bogged down, I should be able get a fleet away "on schedule" and stick close to canon.

Side note, in 3048 Snow Raven took heavey losses at the hand of the Coyotes. With the need to recover those losses and the deal with Jade Falcon for resources, I can easily justify saying that the Ravens were producing more/larger sibkos. The first of these still will not be ready untill 3067 at the earliest but this will really give a boost to the touman.

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« Reply #84 on: 18 April 2019, 23:45:37 »
I am fighting the rest of the absorbtion tomorrow, but had the desire to write, I hope you enjoy.

The 29th Fang won the right to resist the landing of Raven troops, having spent significant time drilling specifically for anti-air defense. Using the thick jungle for cover the 29th was able to lash out at the Raven Fighters while not offer any viable targets. Star Colonel Fasil's initial pleasure started to sour when not long after landing, the Raven dropships lifted back up. Moving his Force forward he came to the edge of the clearing where the Dropships had just left. Lights flashed as Lasers and PPCs lashed across the open field, hitting mechs along his line, as soon as the shooting started it stopped. Opening the broadband Fasil shouted, "Stand and fight you cowardly buzzards!"

"I always knew that Vipers could not handle doing two tasks at once, no walking and shooting for you, Quiaff?" Laughed a response.

This set the pace of the trial, there would be a couple quick exchanges followed by the Ravens racing off into the jungle. Everytime Fasil tried to pull back to repair or rearm the Ravens would show up, pulling them back into a running fight. The cover that had worked so well for him before now worked against him, his infantry were bogged down unable to keep up and his fighters could not get a clear shot.

Slap! Curse these Stravag bugs. Thought Star Comander Jesse Merrel for at least the hundredth time. She and the rest of the infantry from both the 6th and 7th Raven Regulars had been dug in amongst trees for the past 6 days. Twice they had heard the sounds of combat but the last time had been 2 days ago. There was no way to tell how close the fighting was, the jungle playing games with sounds.

I spend one night getting drunk with a point of old wolves, listening to their stories of the invasion. Of Inner Sphere cowards, knowing they cannot stand up to the strength of Trueborn warriors. Relying instead on hit and run tactics, attacks seeming to come out of thin air then disappearing again. Frustrating and dishonorable no doubt...but effective.

Once I heard our orders to leave Circe and attack 3 Viper clusters with only ourselves and the 6th for company. I spent every last favour I had to just get a meeting with Star Colonel Fransisco Lanknau. Then I throw my leverage at the Star Colonel to take me seriously, to offer my Surrat brained idea of an attack plan. I was saving that little scandle for when the next chance of a promotion came up. I guess I should be proud he actually used my plan, claiming it as his own, of course.

Closing her eyes she tried to stop reliving the events that brought her here, to this wet foxhole, next to a random tree. That's when the signal came, a double tap on the radio. Like lightning, a jolt of adrenaline ran through her body. This was what Jesse Merrel was bred for, no matter she belonged to a nearly discarded bloodline, combat!

Picking up her portable SRM launcher, she cradled it too her chest, to keep it out of the mud but away from the snagging vines and branches. She slid out of her hole, the members of her point all doing the same, as quite as the shadows they moved in. They did not know where exactly the enemy was they just knew they were close. Best you can do when you are fighting like a bandit. Moving forward painfully slow, not daring to rush for fear of giving away their position.

That's when the voices reached her, shouting, Jesse couldnt make out what was being said. But she continued to inch forward, sliding up behind a large Arcadian Russet. Then peering around the base of the massive tree she saw her quarry. She was looking through the legs of a Goshhawk, a circle of equals was just breaking up, two warriors picking up a prone figure.

Then a voice from the dual winner shouting, "Let there be no more questions! Mount back up we will drive these scavenging vultures from our world." This warrior was stomping straight towards Jesse, as he wiped fresh blood from a cut above his left eye.

Behind her cover Jesse readied her weapon, the mech was less then 30 yards from her position. As the nameless warrior began to climb the rope ladder to his cockpit.  Jesse took aim on the mech, at what would be someone's crotch were it human. With a ferral grin, Jesse Merrel pulled the trigger. The missile shot out and cleared the short distance in an instant. Hitting its target, the missile exploded spraying liquid fire down the legs and on to the rope ladder where the unsuspecting warrior was instantly set ablaze. Screaming the warrior let go of the rope falling several meters to the ground.

All along the line missiles exploded delivering their liquid carnage. Jesse and her point jumped up and ran forward, she pulled out her backup weapon a compact SMG. Closing in on the warrior without getting burnt herself, Jesse brought an end the warriors suffering. Then continued on to find more enemies of her clan, and bring lost glory back to her bloodhouse!

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« Reply #85 on: 19 April 2019, 01:07:49 »
One of the things I noticed too while reading FM:WC was the total lack Merril bloodnames in the galaxy rosters.  Between that and Joyce Merril's decision in Betrayal of Ideals, it leads one to believe that the name is in little use, if at all. 

But in Operation: Klondike, there are two Merrils listed as founders of Clan Snow Raven. 

Just a curiosity that always made me wonder.  I see it makes you think as well.
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« Reply #86 on: 19 April 2019, 20:34:32 »
Yes, I believe the Ravens allowed it to be shared with other clans not wanting to fight to keep it exclusive. Given that Joyce was an infantrymen and they were more focused on aerospace and Naval.

Though it could be that it was completely abandoned, as some have been. Since we now know what happened because of Betrayal of Ideals.

Arcadia;

With the harsh defeat of the 29th Fang's mech troops, the remaining elements met up with the 167 Phalanx dug in, and the 93 Assault ready to rush any attacks.

The 6th and 7th Raven Regulars did not push anymore instead salvaging all they could from the jungle battle.

Gamma Galaxy arrived in system, and Galaxy Commander Tristan Crow sent a message to the Ghost Bear Enclave asking the commander if he had had time to issue a harvest trial against the Vipers on planet? As it would take his forces a few days to land on Arcadia. The Ghost Bears had refrained, respecting the Raven's right of absorbtion. But with permission given they issued a trial to the 93rd Assault who accepted, not wanting a repeat of New Kent, nor wanting to be bondsman to a hated rival.

Galaxy Commander Tristan Crow landed his Galaxy in an encircling formation along with the 6th and 7th Regulars. Crow called forward recently promoted Star Captain Jesse Merrell, and gave her private instructions. The Star Captain Jesse Merrell met with the commander of the Vipers, and after a few short hours came out with the Vipers accepting Hegira.

Tristan Crow was surprised, but delivered on the instructions he'd been given by his Khan. Star Captain Jesse Merrell was to be promoted to Star Colonel. She was to immediately take command of the remaining Viper forces, they were to load up and head for Lum. The 6th and 7th Raven regulars where take up station on the new enclave on Arcadia, where Galaxy Commander Patricia Harper would administer both Circe and Arcadia.

Gamma Galaxy headed to Grant's Station, where they found the Steel Vipers had offered trials to the Wolves. Making a show of it, Galaxy Comander Tristan Crow cried interference in the absorption and that the Council would hear of this, but otherwise made no move against the wolves.

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« Reply #87 on: 19 April 2019, 21:36:19 »
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Re: Snow Raven campaign questions.
« Reply #88 on: 29 April 2019, 16:10:52 »
Marshall:

Arriving in the Marshall system sensors showed a large number of naval vessels from other Clans. The largest of these were the Goliaths Scorpions Fire Wheel Battle Star with an additional Potemkin carrier. The Fire Mandrills had the Lola III- Rage, the Ice Hellions had Moore's Honour an Essex, lastly the Star Adders had the Admiral William S Preston.

Marshall having at any one time at least 6 clans, a warship escort was not unusual. Star Admiral Hinda Shu, ordered her ships forward, they made their way towards the planet. Intercepted transmissions revealed that the Steel Vipers were under attack by both the Fire Mandrills and the Goliath Scorpions.

As the Raven forces closed the distance to the planet, the Scorpions began to move there own ships, but not directly in the Raven's path. Shu brought her ships close to the orbital factories. Galaxy Commander Thorsten Magnus sent an open transmission, demanding that all attacks on the Steel Vipers stop, that the Ravens were here to finish their Legal absorbtion of the failed Clan.

Khan Amanda Carral was the first to reply, "Clan Snow Raven you are welcome to your trial, we have not broken any laws. It is the basis of Clan society to attack and take from those too weak to keep it."

Thorsten sent the following response, "Kindra Mattila-Carrol you have slighted our honour and stolen our right to glory in combat. My warrios are sending challenges for Trial of Grievences. I believe that a series of unarmed challenges can decide whom is right. No need to hide behind augmentation or politics. To that end we request Safcon to the surface for a Union ship carrying the warriors that will be fighting these trials."

The Madrill's always loving a good fight, swiftly agreed to the trials. Soon after the Scorpions had sent a reply to Thorston's message, but a dismissive "Yes, we will resolve our disagreement shortly." Was his only reply.

The Union ship uncoupled and headed down to the Mandrill enclave, their course taking them right past the Scorpion ships. The Ravens traveled purposefully but not with any haste and made no attempt to keep any special distance with the warships, almost taunting them.

Upon landing the Ravens and Mandrills began their trials, as this went on, the other clans in system had different reactions. The Jade Falcons watched with suspicion knowing first hand nothing with the Ravens was as it seemed.

The Ice Hellions were grudgingly grateful for the shift in attention of the other clans. They had lost half there force in a foolish attack on the Viper a few months back and before the absorbtion trial had started the Vipers had taken half their holdings in reprisals. They knew the other clans were all looking to eject them from the system completely.

The Goliath Scorpions were caught off balance having been basically scolded then ignored by the Ravens. They wasted time trying to decide what to do, whether to challenge the Ravens or continue on against the Vipers.

Clan Star Adder were dumbfounded by the Ravens sheer lack of perspective! To stop a Trial of Absorbtion to hold Trials of Grievences, the Raven's obvious obsession with protocol and the law was absurd to say the least.

Clan Steel Viper took the break in the relentless attacks to repair and rearm themselves.

The first ToG saw Star Captain Taylor Magnus put in a standing arm lock. Without pause, Taylor shattered his own arm while spinning around jabbing Star Captain Lopez in his throat. Taking advantage of the staggering warrior who instinctively grabbed his throat as he fought for air. Taylor drop kicked the Elemantal in the chest sending him out of the circle.

Khan Amanda Carrol was surprised and impressed with the ferocious battles, having not expected this from the "Naval Clan." Amanda Carrol took time over the next couple days as the trials continued to talk with Galaxy Comander Thorsten Magnus.

But on the fifth day the Scorpions had had enough being ignored and renewed their assault on the Steel Vipers. As the 22 Scorpion Uhlans and 23rd Cuirassiers attacked the 104 Assault and the 17 Viper Regulars, the Vipers pulled away. They headed straight to the Mandrills territory who mobilized the 301 Fireband Cluster to turn away the running battle. But the Vipers just ran through the Mandrill line followed closely by the Scorpions.

Khan Amanda Carrol and her forces quickly mounted up and the trinary of Raven warriors jumped in the mechs they had brought with them. The strengthened cluster smashed into the running battle and a melee ensued.

After 20 chaotic minutes the last Viper mech had fell, the Scorpions tried to extract themselves but the Mandrills wouldn't let them just disengage. Thorsten transmitted a message to Amanda asking she allow the Scorpions to withdraw, before everyone lost. The Mandrill Khan relented since they had bloodied the Scorpions.

Thorsten messaged saKhan Nelson Elam challenging him to a trial of Grievence, for twice interfering with Snow Raven trials. Thorsten walked his damaged Direwolf forward, with a damaged knee actuator it was terribly slow. Nelson came forward in a damaged Gargoyle, once both mechs were within range. They stopped, "Let this trial settle our dispute as the Great Father taught us and let non interfere!"

Thorsten cut loose with every functional weapon his Direwolf prime still possessed, breaching the reactor and setting off. Just as Nelson fired his heavy A/C and lasers, cutting the leg of Thorsten's mech dropping it to the ground. Nelson ejected from doomed machine, as Throsten moved his mech into a awkward sitting position using an arm to balance himself. Over the broadband frequency Thorsten declared,"This trial is over, you have lost, I grant your forces Hegira. You and your forces will quite the field, with no claim to the territory or materials from today. Take your warriors, your honour and leave."

To Khan Amanda Carrol, with no clear winner of the trials Thorsten suggested a draw, with the Mandrill keeping what they had claimed. Thorsten further traded away the rest of the former Viper enclave, minus the orbital factories, for production rights to the Salamander and some pledge support from the Mandrill Clan.

Star Admiral Hinda Shu began breaking down the factories immediately, while taking inventory the plans for a new dropship the Vipers had been working on were found.

Thorsten sent a message to Khan Lynne McKenna; My Khan,
Your orders have been carried out to the letter. I taunted the Scorpions till they made a mistake and I suitably humbled their saKhan. This should quiet his criticisms of our working with Khan Ariel Suvorov to strengthen their aero branch. My failure only came at not being able to taunt one of their warship Captains into making a mistake.

Though we made away with a great BA design and gently aimed the Mandrills at the Ice Hellions. I feel you gave away too much! If you had not allowed me to upgrade all my Trinaries to Super Novas, I would be challenging you right now."

Reply from McKenna,
Galaxy Commander Thorsten Magnus, well done in your mission, your minor failure is of no concern. Our yards are already full repairing our newest acquisitions already, also we will being upgrading two more Kimagura. Do not concern yourself about the holdings of one system, our future is not here but the Inner Sphere.

Once the new factory is loaded, the Swift Star will head to Bearclaw and you will head to Lum. You shall rebuild and make ready to head with me to the Inner Sphere. We will be joined by the new Galaxy I am christening, from all our recent gains. It will be second line mechs, infantry and second line firghts. They will be used to garrison what you conqour! The rest of the clan will consolidate what we have and with a few other arrangements, we should be left relatively alone.

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Re: Snow Raven campaign questions.
« Reply #89 on: 29 April 2019, 16:59:34 »
The fleet as of the end of 3062.

Command Star:
Nightlord - Snow Raven
Agies - Blue Quest
Agies - Lorde Death
Potemkin - Wild Swan
Volga - Scavanger

Swift Naval Star (Independent)
McKenna - James McKenna
Cameron - Blizzard
Conqueror - Conqueror
*Potemkin - Ophidea
*Whirlwind - Frostbite (Formerly Snake in the Grass)

Storm Crow Naval Star (Beta Galaxy; New Kent)
*Nightlord - Reckoning (Formerly Dark Asp)
Cameron - Kerensky's Hope
Conqueror - Ark Royal
*Potemkin - Gale Wind (Formerly Serpantes)
*Whirlwind - Hoarfrost (Forerly Constrictor)

Bearclaw Garrison Star (Gamma Galaxy; Bearclaw)
Sovietskii - Avalanche
Aegies - White Terror
Aegis - Black Justice
Potemkin - Snowflake
Potemkin - Rook
Potemkin - Treachery
Volga - Tenacity
Whirlwind - William Adams
Vincent - Munnin
Fredasa - Black Beard

Lum Garrison Star (Delta Galaxy; Lum)
Texas - Mountbatton
Aegis - Morning Violence
Aegis - Scabbard
Potemkin - Bonnaventure
Potemkin - Eden Rose
Lola III - Bloody Talon
Essex - Eternity
York - Corvidae
Whirlwind - Drake
Vincent - Hunnin

Circe Battle Star (Kappa Galaxy; Circe and Arcadia)
Cameron - Ice Storm
Aegis - Blue Lancer
*Aegis - Black Lancer (Formerly Steal Python)
*Essex - Martial Legacy
*Fredasa - Mary Read (Formerly Pit Viper)

Hellgate Star (Epsilon Galaxy; Hellgate)
Two Stars of Comitatus with Carriers

Assault Star (Temporarily assignment to Alpha Galaxy)
Sovietskii - Stor Crow
Lola III - Cold Hunter
Lola III - Vision of Terra
Congress - Magpie
*Congress - Snake Leader

Zeta Garrison Star (Zeta Galaxy)
*Sovietskii - Sarna Mercer
Lola III - Spur
*Lola III - Savage Beak (formerly Anaconda)
Carrack - Venture Star
Carrack - Nestling
*Carrack - Pride of New Kent


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« Reply #90 on: 29 April 2019, 19:56:28 »
This is well-detailed mayhem, quiaff? 

I like that Marshall turned into a Mosh Pit IIC. 

You still have more worlds that the Vipers are holding too.  So the action should continue for a while yet.
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« Reply #91 on: 02 May 2019, 10:08:03 »
Aff! There is a lot of work that goes into each battle. It is very rewarding to see the results laid out.

That was the last battle of the absorbtion, a little messy and definitely not as pivotal/clearly define as the battle of New Kent. But I planned this campaign from Lynn and Bryn's perspective, as in what political coin can be gained from every different system. Based on which clans are on it a their likely reactions, based on what I have read and people's input on his thread.

Now a dangerous adversary has been eliminated, maybe not in a clear sweep (Burrock) but also not devastating (Mongoose.) Just mediocre. Fairly muddied as is a sign of the shift actions of fellow Clans. This also has the benefit of not throwing the Ravens into the spot light, we hate being center stage. I strengthened some of my allies or Clans of future usefulness.

The Snow Ravens will send the Alpha and the new Zeta to the IS, we will rebuild and build up. The other clans will continue trialing, as it was pointed out there is now a power vacuum. I have a few ideas on what some clans will do.

But any ideas or suggestion will be welcome!

Specifically Clan Coyote, I share New Kent with them and their hated rival Cobras now controls most of Brim (with Adders) and all of Homer.

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« Reply #92 on: 25 July 2019, 20:01:19 »
My Khan,
As requested, we have given extra attention to the latest Absorption. Given that it was the Ravens' greatest rival suggests either great planning or the Devil's luck. I believe we can agree it is the former, and an example of the Raven's manipulation of their “friends” to further their goals.

After the first two decisive battles, the rest of the Absorbtion wound down to bringing forces to bear against Viper enclaves before other clans moved in. Their response to outside interference has been dependent on the clan involved, from an open invitation to the Ghost Bears to what appears to be the start of a feud with the Wolves. 

I have included a summary of the territorial, material, and diplomatic changes that have emerged in the wake of this conflict.

Territory


Raven territorial gains have been modest, limited to just a pair of enclaves on Arcadia and New Kent, with New Kent being the greater. 

In true paranoid Snow Ravens fashion, they have removing all lower castemen of supervisor postion and above from all their captured enclaves, replacing them with their own. This appears to have been taken to an extreme where blood chapels are concerned, removing all ex-Viper castemen. These actions have severely hamstrung all production from these two enclaves. 

The Ravens' inherited Bearclaw enclave has seen new activity as the Vipers' orbital dropship factories have been moved there. Instead of bringing the old Ghost Bear facility back into production, they have instead focused on using the mines to supply other facilities in their control. Even Lum seems to be receiving ore and chemicals from Bearclaw, presumably for the increased naval demands. 

The Ravens have so far managed to rebuff probing attacks from Coyotes on New Kent, Adders on Arcadia, and Wolves on Circe. There is a distinct lack of movement from both the Hell's Horse and Jade Falcons, which we assume is due to their focus on the Inner Sphere.

Production


The Lum shipyards have been working fervently to bring their warships, both original members and newly acquired isorla, back into operation. It has been eight months since the end of the absorption and all but the Dark Asp are back in service. We have also spotted a Kimagure in a slip, under going upgrades. 

The Bearclaw dropship facilities appear to be in full production, evidenced by the quantity of hull paint they've purchased from us. Recent attempts to purchased a star of Broadswords was denied, with the explanation of "That line is in not in production at this time." We believe they are running two line of Noruff ships. Aside from processing facilities, no other production facilities are operating.

As stated previously, all the former Viper production lines on New Kent have been re-organized and possibly re-tooled. We know that the Ravens have acquired Salamander battle armor and Warhawk production rights from the Fire Mandrills, along with Kodiak rights from the Bears. This may mark a fundamental shift in the Ravens; no longer resource starved, they are producing their own heavy machines.

I have included a quick rundown of their remaining holdings.

Arcadia: Similar situation as New Kent. The Blood Chapels are busy but no new sibkos are being produced.

Hellgate: Still producing germanium. No changes worth noting. 

Circe: Producing mechs and armor, but the Ravens seem exporting these to other clans. This seems to support the theory that the Ravens are overhauling their touman.

Relations


The surprise attack on the Steel Vipers and the subsequent Snow Raven victories have changed the current power dynamic. I have therefore provided a brief rundown current Raven relations with the other Clans.

Blood Spirit: Remaining a strong Raven trading partner, they have secured about half of all the Ravens' ex-Viper sibkos, as well as several science castemen. This has helped offset their losses from the "punishment trials" clan Star Adder is staging against them.

Cloud Cobra: Appear to be doing a dance of trade without being overly friendly. With the Cobras and Adders having stronger ties with each other, the Ravens have become very wary of the larger clan.

Coyote: After testing the Snow Ravens holding on New Kent, they seem willing to accept them as a neighbor. Of note, the Coyotes fared poorly against both the Ravens' and Cobras' heavy aero defenses. It is quite likely that the Coyotes have recognized this and are working on appropriate countermeasures.

Fire Mandrill: Previously, the only contact the Ravens had to them was through the Blood Spirits, but they have since discovered our own method of success when dealing with the Fire Mandrils; treating each Kindraa as a separate clan and employing different sets of personnel for each one. The Ravens appear to be selling of surplus equipment to obtain capital, and not just from their recent Steel Viper acquisitions. This further lends evidence to the Ravens overhauling their touman and leads us to believe this will only have a short-term impact on our trade. Once these stores are depleted, trade relations should return to the status quo.

Ghost Bear: Still an active ally, despite their distance. The Bears received several sibkos as well as several batches of second line mechs, bolstering losses from the Combine War,  the Hell's Horse incursion, and Wolf battles. At the time of this report the Hell's Horse have lost all three systems they took from the Bears.

Goliath Scorpion: Relationships between these two clans appear to have cooled post-absorption. We are unsure if this is a trust issue due to the Scorpions' close ties with the Wolves or due to inward examination of the Ravens after the absorption.

Hell Horse: After trials concluded on Bearclaw, these two clans seem to be willing to ignore one another. With the expected return of the Horse Khan, things may change.

Ice Hellions: It's hard to see anyone getting along with Taney's Hellions, and the Ravens are no exception. After losing territory to them in the Fury campaign, the Ravens are likely to conduct reprisal strikes.

Jade Falcon: After the split between these two clans (no small relief to most; the Falcon fleet is large enough on its own, but bolstered with Raven ships they were untouchable), Khan Pryde seems sarisfied with name calling. For their part, the Ravens seem content with keeping an eye on Falcon movement but otherwise ignoring them.

Star Adder: Relations have remained strained as the Adders have expanded their fleet, which the Ravens see as a possible challenge. The mutual defense agreement between the Adders and Cobras only strengthens these concerns.

Wolf: With the perceived theft of Grant's Station and its two defending Viper clusters, Clan Snow Raven has been waging retaliatory trials for Wolf production, specifically Timber Wolf and Dire Wolf batches. While the Wolves have successfully defended their production, it has not been a fair exchange. Retaliatory strikes on Circe are only costing Vlad more matériel and manpower. Thanks to attempts by the Bears to retake other former Rasalhague worlds, Vlad has been forced to keep most of his attention on his Inner Sphere holdings.

Conclusion


We are seeing a clan settling itself after absorbing another, with the addition of so many jump and warship even the Ravens Naval support must be feeling the strain.

Aside from the cluster worth of troops in Alpha Galaxy, the newly formed Zeta Galaxy is the only formation with any Viper troops.This new galaxy is armed with second-line equipment and almost entirely staffed by former Viper warriors, accounting for 90% of the galaxy's personnel. Three Phalanx Clusters, two Armor Clusters and only one Mech Cluster, each covered by a single Binary of aerofighters makes this a very familiar Viper galaxy. Khan McKenna seems willing to deploy these troops with the organization structure they are already familiar with, but does not trust them to hold any command positions and are always deployed alongside Alpha Galaxy forces.

Our analysis suggests this force would most likely be deployed in a “bite and hold” attack. We've identified three of our holdings that have the highest probability of being targeted: Strato Domingo for our Hargel, Priori for the oil fields, and Kirin/Albion for the Naval yards. One final possibility is a move to the Inner Sphere.

We will continue to keep a close eye on the Snow Ravens, as they have always shown to have a knife in the shadows.

With respects, Khan Barbara Sennet
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« Reply #93 on: 25 July 2019, 23:11:25 »
Once again, applause for your well thought out depiction of a possible absorption of Clan Steel Viper by the Snow Ravens.  I'm digging on all the details. 
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« Reply #94 on: 26 July 2019, 15:53:32 »
Thank you Rebs, now that I have had my logistical fun, little politics and then some trials can begin!

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Re: Snow Raven campaign questions.
« Reply #95 on: 05 September 2019, 19:57:26 »
Thank you Rebs, now that I have had my logistical fun, little politics and then some trials can begin!

Hope this keeps going! How many players are you using per battle?