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Title: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Moonsword on 30 May 2020, 12:43:55
You know the drill - fifty pages and we start a new one.  Have fun!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 30 May 2020, 12:44:44
Cool, and thank you for reminding me to go buy TTS: Jardine!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 May 2020, 13:02:41
Sartis needs to repost the last meme!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 30 May 2020, 13:06:53
So, the party's moved here?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Luciora on 30 May 2020, 13:07:42
Party planet over here,  party planet over there!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 May 2020, 13:17:03
Sartis needs to repost the last meme!

i cannot BELIEVE such a masterpiece got cut off

(http://puu.sh/FQIO9/9be1d3caa4.png)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 30 May 2020, 13:26:38
Sartis needs to repost the last meme!
Yes, yes he does...  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 30 May 2020, 13:28:27
This is it? The thread that will see ilClan being released?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 May 2020, 13:30:28
only if we're very careful about not getting to 50 pages before 2025  :P
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 30 May 2020, 13:30:51
Beat me to it, Sartris…  8)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 May 2020, 14:58:13
i cannot BELIEVE such a masterpiece got cut off

(http://puu.sh/FQIO9/9be1d3caa4.png)

Lol, I meant the 'But WAIT there's more' meme
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mikecj on 30 May 2020, 15:15:20
Purchased, read, reviewed.  Love it!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 May 2020, 15:16:05
Lol, I meant the 'But WAIT there's more' meme

an artist is never appreciated in their time.


Hi, Billy Mays here for Touring The Stars: Jardine. You're probably asking yourself why my slightly shrill, half-shouting voice is narrating this text in your head from beyond the grave. It's effective branding, kids. Roll with it.

Now you can learn about this mysterious planet and its connection to the Word of Blake and the nefarious Master in this EXCLUSIVE online offer! Only $2.99 for pages and pages of information! And your thinking to yourself: How can  it get any better??
 
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/57561191/but-wait-theres-more.jpg)

WHAT WILL IT BE? STAY TUNED
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 30 May 2020, 15:31:52
LOL!  I'd say "Sartris wins this round!" here too, but this is only page 1...  ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 30 May 2020, 15:46:01
This Old Fart is laughing his butt off that some of you kids are JUST NOW seeing what I saw back in' 86, without anyone pointing it out to me.   ;D

LCT-1V Locust
WSP-1A Wasp
PNT-9R Panther
HER-2S Hermes II
ENF-4R Enforcer
DRG-1N Dragon
RFL-3N Rifleman
CRD-3R Crusader
ARC-2R Archer
WHM-6R Warhammer 

???   :o


And somewhere in the fluff in the old Dropships and Jumpships book it mentions a Holovid series called 'The RFL-3N" even!  Granted, the show was before MY time a bit, but even I saw reruns of The Rifleman!  Even the custom 'Mechs I've designed, either on paper or with HMPro I gave them number-letter designators that were included in their names.  Granted, you've got a few oddballs here and there.   ::)

ALM-7D Fireball ???
ZPH-1 Tarantula ??? Maybe should've gone with Zephyr instead?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 30 May 2020, 15:49:46
@GRUD
Wow. that's something.  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 May 2020, 15:51:29
This Old Fart is laughing his butt off that some of you kids are JUST NOW seeing what I saw back in' 86, without anyone pointing it out to me.   ;D

LCT-1V Locust
WSP-1A Wasp
PNT-9R Panther
HER-2S Hermes II
ENF-4R Enforcer
DRG-1N Dragon
RFL-3N Rifleman
CRD-3R Crusader
ARC-2R Archer
WHM-6R Warhammer 

Yeah that’s the thing. I’ve been staring at those model numbers for the better part of three decades - typed some of them HUNDREDS of times
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 30 May 2020, 15:56:39
By the way.....Touring the Stars : Jardine  is out.  FYI

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1540/0075/products/E-CAT35SN215_BattleTechTouringtheStarsJardine_1024x1024.png?v=1590778769)


Catalyst Game Store (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-touring-the-stars-jardine)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 30 May 2020, 15:57:45
And DriveThruRPG too!  :thumbsup:

(That's where I got mine...)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Luciora on 30 May 2020, 16:06:52
Even back 30 years ago (hello TRO:3025 2nd printing!)  I thought it was a deliberate choice at shorthand and was more curious about the ones that didn't match the name.

This Old Fart is laughing his butt off that some of you kids are JUST NOW seeing what I saw back in' 86, without anyone pointing it out to me.   ;D

LCT-1V Locust
WSP-1A Wasp
PNT-9R Panther
HER-2S Hermes II
ENF-4R Enforcer
DRG-1N Dragon
RFL-3N Rifleman
CRD-3R Crusader
ARC-2R Archer
WHM-6R Warhammer 

???   :o


And somewhere in the fluff in the old Dropships and Jumpships book it mentions a Holovid series called 'The RFL-3N" even!  Granted, the show was before MY time a bit, but even I saw reruns of The Rifleman!  Even the custom 'Mechs I've designed, either on paper or with HMPro I gave them number-letter designators that were included in their names.  Granted, you've got a few oddballs here and there.   ::)

ALM-7D Fireball ???
ZPH-1 Tarantula ??? Maybe should've gone with Zephyr instead?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hellraiser on 30 May 2020, 16:27:39
Wait, you mean there are people out there that don't realize the model #s are a shortened version of the name in 99% of all units?

Huh....how.....  I'm going back to bed.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 May 2020, 16:30:43
the first part, yeah. it's the part after the dash

GRF. ok i see what you did there

GRF-1N. my brain has been completely compartmentalizing each side of the dash not noticing they used the variant designation to spell out the rest of the word. and now i'm cranky my eyes were opened this way after thirty damn years
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 30 May 2020, 19:19:48
Purchased, read, reviewed.  Love it!

Thanks, man!

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 30 May 2020, 19:56:14
Got it as well today.  A fun read and a treat to peak at one of the hidden worlds.  8)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mbear on 01 June 2020, 08:34:31
an artist is never appreciated in their time.


Hi, Billy Mays here for Touring The Stars: Jardine. You're probably asking yourself why my slightly shrill, half-shouting voice is narrating this text in your head from beyond the grave. It's effective branding, kids. Roll with it.

Now you can learn about this mysterious planet and its connection to the Word of Blake and the nefarious Master in this EXCLUSIVE online offer! Only $2.99 for pages and pages of information! And your thinking to yourself: How can  it get any better??
 
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/57561191/but-wait-theres-more.jpg)

WHAT WILL IT BE? STAY TUNED

Thanks Billy! I'm here now to tell you about the two new technologies we've found on Jardine! Based on the Word's examination of Clan tech, we're introducing two radical products.

First up is Oxy-Clean. This product will run through any heat sink system and clean out any buildup! That's right! A full coolant flush without the need to drain everything and start over!

Then we have Flexi-Seal. A more cost effective version of the Clan Harjel system, this plastic compound will seal up any gaps in your armor! Without you doing anything!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

----------------------
On another note, I'm really impressed by the scope of history in The Crazy Eights. I'm sure TTS: Jardine will be just as impressive.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 01 June 2020, 09:18:07
I got an email (picture is a link)
(https://www.drivethrufiction.com/images/2216/315787.jpg) (https://www.drivethrufiction.com/product/315787/BattleTech-The-Hunt-for-Jardine-Forgotten-Worlds-Part-One)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Juodas Varnas on 01 June 2020, 09:25:11

ALM-7D Fireball ???
ZPH-1 Tarantula ??? Maybe should've gone with Zephyr instead?
Funnily enough, both of them have different designations in german translations, Tarantula being TRN and the Fireball being FBL.

I do wonder if there's any sort of fluff explanation why their code doesn't match their name like with pretty much every other mech
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 01 June 2020, 10:15:29
Fireball- Alamo, as in a nuke
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 01 June 2020, 10:46:15
So, no one has commented that this PART ONE?

That implies MORE PARTS!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 01 June 2020, 11:00:17
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Forgotten_Worlds

Hoping we see it to completion and get a PoD option
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 01 June 2020, 11:58:27
Fireball- Alamo, as in a nuke

it's an acronym for "[a]bsolutely [l]ameass [m]ech"
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 01 June 2020, 15:17:45
Just bought The Hunt For Jardine, though the Touring the Stars kind of spoiled the ending.  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jimdigris on 01 June 2020, 15:43:44
I didn't get the email and I can't find it in the Catalyst store.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pinetree on 01 June 2020, 16:18:11
The email was from DriveThru so it may not be at the CGL store yet.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 01 June 2020, 19:50:20
Just bought The Hunt For Jardine, though the Touring the Stars kind of spoiled the ending.  ;)

Touring the Stars told you what anyone would know who went through the Jihad sourcebooks anyway. It doesn't really explain fully how the Forgotten Worlds serial went. Only so many words, y'know.

Feel free to comment and rate the story and TtS, if you like. It helps signal boost.

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 01 June 2020, 21:12:46
The email was from DriveThru so it may not be at the CGL store yet.
I got MY copy from CGL, on the 29th, with the Updated version on the 30th.   ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 01 June 2020, 21:16:33
Thanks Billy! I'm here now to tell you about the two new technologies we've found on Jardine! Based on the Word's examination of Clan tech, we're introducing two radical products.

First up is Oxy-Clean. This product will run through any heat sink system and clean out any buildup! That's right! A full coolant flush without the need to drain everything and start over!

Then we have Flexi-Seal. A more cost effective version of the Clan Harjel system, this plastic compound will seal up any gaps in your armor! Without you doing anything!


Disclaimer: Oxy-Clean - Do not take internally. Do not use near fire. Keep away from children under 12.
Disclaimer: Flexi-Seal - For External use only. Do not take internally. Do not use near fire. Keep away from children under 8.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 02 June 2020, 00:19:07
We are excited to announce that the first part of the novel Forgotten Worlds, The Hunt for Jardine by Herbert Beas II has been released as a digital story.

https://books2read.com/BattleTechTheHuntforJardine?fbclid=IwAR0MGl2bxzRk3pc3LLWpAwPaLRjLfIrexSHo_T8aIVZXe0WwLudPbZ53_M8 (https://books2read.com/BattleTechTheHuntforJardine?fbclid=IwAR0MGl2bxzRk3pc3LLWpAwPaLRjLfIrexSHo_T8aIVZXe0WwLudPbZ53_M8)

"BURIED IN THE ASHES OF WAR… Freelance explorer and treasure hunter Dr. Brooklyn Stevens has made her career finding lost artifacts from Inner Sphere history, but during the waning days of the FedCom Civil War, a job offered by the academic organization known as Interstellar Expeditions affords her the chance to pursue the find of a lifetime: a missing planet, one lost in the ravages of the brutal Succession Wars.
But the world of Jardine did not only die in fire—it was erased from stellar maps entirely, and Brooke’s employer wants to know why.
She must hunt down the only known link to this forgotten world: a dangerous predator native to Jardine, whose initial discoverer was silenced under mysterious circumstances. Someone wants this planet to remain buried—and they will go to any lengths to ensure that Brooke’s quest to uncover the truth of Jardine’s disappearance ends in tragedy."

In conjunction with Forgotten Worlds, we are pleased to release Touring the Stars: Jardine.

https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-touring-the-stars-jardine?fbclid=IwAR2XtntPGG5vp9GBBxVyhjolan3hQj7cWwLPIzbhZb4fOBSexeWGmkSw_nw (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-touring-the-stars-jardine?fbclid=IwAR2XtntPGG5vp9GBBxVyhjolan3hQj7cWwLPIzbhZb4fOBSexeWGmkSw_nw)

"Once a world of vibrant forests and exotic wildlife, Jardine’s loss in the early Succession Wars nearly erased it entirely from the annals of history. Rediscovered on the eve of the Word of Blake Jihad, its centuries-long isolation revealed one of the greatest secrets in ComStar’s dark past: the Hidden Worlds! Scoured by its own Guardians, the birthworld of the Manei Domini now lies under the shroud of endless smoke, its ruins a mute testament to the legacy of its fallen masters."

(https://i.ibb.co/tJ7H3yV/315787.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yQwNVLH)
(https://i.ibb.co/hHnVVhQ/E-CAT35-SN215-Battle-Tech-Touringthe-Stars-Jardine-1024x1024.png) (https://ibb.co/gwXJJHq)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Deadborder on 02 June 2020, 00:56:21
Just finished TTS Jardine. Great work there, both from the flavour point of view and the optional rules for playing in a truly apocalyptic world. Plus I loved the added fluff about the "Hidden worlds conspiracy" at the start and the great adventure seeds. This may be my favourite TTS yet.

So TTS: Tangrez/Mayadi?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 02 June 2020, 01:03:52
I'm loving the cover art!  Spectacular work that I can't wait to read.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 June 2020, 06:43:02
Also, coming this Friday, June 5 in print and PDF - Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules and Tactical Operations: Advanced Units and Equipment.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 02 June 2020, 07:00:09
Also, coming this Friday, June 5 in print and PDF - Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules and Tactical Operations: Advanced Units and Equipment.

Ooh, goody goody gum drops...definitely grabbing these!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 02 June 2020, 07:12:20
Also, coming this Friday, June 5 in print and PDF - Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules and Tactical Operations: Advanced Units and Equipment.

If I already own the original TacOps from the CGL store do I get these as an update to the original pdf or do I have to purchase them again?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 June 2020, 07:56:04
If I already own the original TacOps from the CGL store do I get these as an update to the original pdf or do I have to purchase them again?

Purchasers of the old edition will not receive these new volumes as updates. These are being treated as brand new books, and errata will be tracked for these now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 02 June 2020, 08:15:56
So TTS: Tangrez/Mayadi?

Hard to do either of those in-character, what with nobody having ever found them and all.... ;)

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 02 June 2020, 08:16:13
Purchasers of the old edition will not receive these new volumes as updates. These are being treated as brand new books, and errata will be tracked for these now.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 02 June 2020, 08:22:47
Hard to do either of those in-character, what with nobody having ever found them and all.... ;)

- Herb

They could be written from the point of view of someone who lives there and then left.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 02 June 2020, 09:35:14
They could be written from the point of view of someone who lives there and then left.

Not that I really have a say in the matter, but I doubt that's happening any time soon. Anyone leaving, I mean. Even as of 3130, nobody knew where the last two of the Five were. (Though I *did* have plans back in the WizKids days...)

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 02 June 2020, 09:44:13
Purchasers of the old edition will not receive these new volumes as updates. These are being treated as brand new books, and errata will be tracked for these now.
Are the old books still going to be updated with errata?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 02 June 2020, 09:44:58
Are the old books still going to be updated with errata?

I doubt it.

I.E. when was last time Microsoft Updated Windows XP?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 02 June 2020, 10:15:27
Not that I really have a say in the matter, but I doubt that's happening any time soon. Anyone leaving, I mean. Even as of 3130, nobody knew where the last two of the Five were. (Though I *did* have plans back in the WizKids days...)

- Herb

I'm not expecting it to happen either. I just had this image of a John/Jane Doe being found dead after an accident but when they try to ID the victim all they find is a draft document on a chip in their pocket - you've got documentary on a world but still no location for it  >:D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 02 June 2020, 10:18:27
Are the old books still going to be updated with errata?

Purchasers of the old edition will not receive these new volumes as updates. These are being treated as brand new books, and errata will be tracked for these now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 June 2020, 10:26:47
this is the last officialish thing i remember being said on the topic of TO errata

I should note that the effect of splitting the books on errata (i.e. not supporting the older books with errata releases) is solely a decision on my part: this isn't CGL determining to drive sales of the new book by purposefully ending errata support for the old version of TO.  I'm just too busy to keep up errata support for anything other than the latest works (and I'm barely handling that).  It's the same reason that TW and such used to have separate errata docs for both the 1st and the latest printings, and now only has support for the 1st, or why ASCE is supported while the old AS support has now stopped.  It's possible that this could change at some point in the future, however, when I have more time available.

oh yeah, and this

At the same time, it depends on what errata there is and how much free time I have.  Maybe I can support both versions.

so... maybe
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 June 2020, 10:36:35
so... maybe

I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 June 2020, 10:47:59
i'm definitely not - that's just the last thing i remember being said on the matter
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 02 June 2020, 10:58:20
Hard to do either of those in-character, what with nobody having ever found them and all.... ;)

- Herb

Too bad April 1st is already past. Documents could be released that contain mostly redacted text except for a name or such here and there.

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 02 June 2020, 11:08:32
Too bad April 1st is already past. Documents could be released that contain mostly redacted text except for a name or such here and there.

*sigh* I really miss doing AFD and Halloween projects...

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 02 June 2020, 11:13:02
Maybe one day the AFD and Halloween projects can return.  Some great ideas and "what ifs" came from them.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Luciora on 02 June 2020, 11:16:14
And kitbashing sources!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 02 June 2020, 11:22:49
so... maybe
No. The official answer is no.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 June 2020, 11:25:54
my superpower is when i say wrong shit, the power of my wrongness summons people to correct me, lest i be believed
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 02 June 2020, 11:44:40
my superpower is when i say wrong shit, the power of my wrongness summons people to correct me, lest i be believed

You're wrong.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 June 2020, 11:50:48
my superpower is when i say wrong shit, the power of my wrongness summons people to correct me, lest i be believed

No, no. It ain't about you, particularly.

The problem is that, around these parts, supposition and possibility is often taken as ironclad truth. On top of which, things change fast. So citing a post that's even "just" six months old may be resurrecting a possibility others will latch onto, but that's long been overtaken by events. In those cases, my very professional communications policy is to kill it, tie rocks around it, and throw it in the river as quickly and definitively as possible.

Nothing personal towards you, though, Sartris! You're generally a calming influence around here.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: I am Belch II on 02 June 2020, 12:08:07
Always good to see new stuff.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 June 2020, 12:09:43
You're generally a calming influence around here.

this is horrifying  ;D

You're wrong.

oh thank god.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 02 June 2020, 12:32:54
Someone has to do it, Sartris.  That lets the rest of us roll with unbridled imagination.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 02 June 2020, 14:27:46
*sigh* I really miss doing AFD and Halloween projects...

And we miss having them.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 02 June 2020, 16:46:21
@ Satris

These are the ones I'm looking for.

-Bonfire of Worlds
-BattleTech: Front Lines: BattleCorps Anthology, Volume 6
-Gray Markets
-BattleTech: Slack Tide: A BattleTech Anthology
-a bonfire of worlds

I'm in no rush...so long as POD remains an option and these eventually get re-offered (re-enabled?) in that format.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 02 June 2020, 16:47:25
I don't think Slack Tide has had a PoD version yet.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 02 June 2020, 16:51:04
beachhead, yeah its been reported to TPTB and I think I complained to Amazon.

I think of them as a definition of a vanity project . . . its independently published, aka they paid rather than a legit publisher, but Amazon does not seem to care- platform vs publisher I guess.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 June 2020, 17:12:00
I don't think Slack Tide has had a PoD version yet.

It hasn’t. Current plan is to pair it with another Anthology (Gray Markets, Onslaught, Honor Road) for a POD at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 June 2020, 18:04:34
ALL THE CLAN INVASION
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Reldn on 02 June 2020, 18:23:43
Also, coming this Friday, June 5 in print and PDF - Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules and Tactical Operations: Advanced Units and Equipment.

Out of curiosity, will those of us who added these books to their pledge be receiving them upon release now? Or will they still be held until Wave 1 ships?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 02 June 2020, 18:54:38
We are excited to announce that the first part of the novel Forgotten Worlds, The Hunt for Jardine by Herbert Beas II has been released as a digital story.

https://books2read.com/BattleTechTheHuntforJardine?fbclid=IwAR0MGl2bxzRk3pc3LLWpAwPaLRjLfIrexSHo_T8aIVZXe0WwLudPbZ53_M8 (https://books2read.com/BattleTechTheHuntforJardine?fbclid=IwAR0MGl2bxzRk3pc3LLWpAwPaLRjLfIrexSHo_T8aIVZXe0WwLudPbZ53_M8)

"BURIED IN THE ASHES OF WAR… Freelance explorer and treasure hunter Dr. Brooklyn Stevens has made her career finding lost artifacts from Inner Sphere history, but during the waning days of the FedCom Civil War, a job offered by the academic organization known as Interstellar Expeditions affords her the chance to pursue the find of a lifetime: a missing planet, one lost in the ravages of the brutal Succession Wars.
But the world of Jardine did not only die in fire—it was erased from stellar maps entirely, and Brooke’s employer wants to know why.
She must hunt down the only known link to this forgotten world: a dangerous predator native to Jardine, whose initial discoverer was silenced under mysterious circumstances. Someone wants this planet to remain buried—and they will go to any lengths to ensure that Brooke’s quest to uncover the truth of Jardine’s disappearance ends in tragedy."

Is this any different than what you let Herb post on the site a few months back?   ???
If so, in What way?

Does this mean you'll also be releasing/rereleasing Part 2 at some point?
If so, will IT be any different than has already been posted?

 ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 02 June 2020, 19:23:34
Other than incorporating some errata and splitting the information, will the T.O.'s have anything new?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 June 2020, 19:35:06
Ray described the partition as a Solomon Chop™️ meaning the only real change will be the cosmetic after-effects of such an action - page numbers, table of contents, intro, and index (unless they’ve changed their minds on addition or removal of material)

If you’re happy with the current version and can deal with errata where the page numbers don’t line up you’ll probably be fine with the current version
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 02 June 2020, 19:47:10
I'm cool with that!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 03 June 2020, 02:29:31
Other than incorporating some errata and splitting the information, will the T.O.'s have anything new?

Vintage art on the covers, next installments of the new* spine art.

(* - also vintage)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: VhenRa on 03 June 2020, 05:52:35
Hard to do either of those in-character, what with nobody having ever found them and all.... ;)

- Herb

Fairly sure Interstellar Expeditions and/or Republic found the virus-ridden planet.

The other two, now those as far as I am aware were never found. But Jardine, Gabriel and Mayadi...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mbear on 03 June 2020, 07:03:31
my superpower is when i say wrong shit, the power of my wrongness summons people to correct me, lest i be believed

"Who's Sartis? You've never heard of him? He's the guy we send into minefields before we go in ourselves. He's the guy we get to go check out the 'empty' building. He's the bullet-sponge we use to protect ourselves. And the amazing thing is he always survives."
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mbear on 03 June 2020, 07:09:04
Just finished TTS Jardine. Great work there, both from the flavour point of view and the optional rules for playing in a truly apocalyptic world. Plus I loved the added fluff about the "Hidden worlds conspiracy" at the start and the great adventure seeds. This may be my favourite TTS yet.

So TTS: Tangrez/Mayadi?
I'd buy it. Jardine was a treat!

*sigh* I really miss doing AFD and Halloween projects...

- Herb

I miss those too.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 03 June 2020, 07:10:58
Touring the Stars told you what anyone would know who went through the Jihad sourcebooks anyway. It doesn't really explain fully how the Forgotten Worlds serial went. Only so many words, y'know.

The Jihad sourcebooks told us it was basically turning into Mustafar.

Brooke escaping with a native however...I'd say that spoils the ending a wee bit.  ;)

I'm still looking forward to reading the rest of it.

Any word on when we'll be seeing the next installment?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 03 June 2020, 08:58:21
Fairly sure Interstellar Expeditions and/or Republic found the virus-ridden planet.

Oh! Damn, how rusty must my brain be? You're right, Deadborder and VhenRa! Tangerz/Mayadi HAS been found, as it's the plague planet! It was found during the Jihad, even.

... Hmm. I wonder what kind of adventure seeds would be applicable on a world that's so toxic, simply landing there is basically a death sentence?

Gabriel, on the other hand, is now just another addition to a gas giant's ring system in the already-populated Odessa system.

The Jihad sourcebooks told us it was basically turning into Mustafar.

Brooke escaping with a native however...I'd say that spoils the ending a wee bit.  ;)

I'm still looking forward to reading the rest of it.

Any word on when we'll be seeing the next installment?

Well, yeah, a wee bit of spoilage, but what can ya do?  I don't know the release schedule, but I'd wager it will probably be the kind of thing they do either biweekly or monthly? Don't quote me, though. I'm not an employee; I know barely any more than you do.


- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 03 June 2020, 10:20:51
beachhead, yeah its been reported to TPTB and I think I complained to Amazon.

So just keep checking back every few weeks to see if/when the POD comes back/activates?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 June 2020, 10:30:03
So just keep checking back every few weeks to see if/when the POD comes back/activates?

Cubby already said it was fixed I think.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: roosterboy on 03 June 2020, 10:38:10
The Jihad sourcebooks told us it was basically turning into Mustafar.

Brooke escaping with a native however...I'd say that spoils the ending a wee bit.  ;)

That's been known for more than a decade, though, if you read the Dark Age sources.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 June 2020, 10:42:20
Cubby already said it was fixed I think.

he did and it is
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 03 June 2020, 11:09:30
That's been known for more than a decade, though, if you read the Dark Age sources.

Roosterboy your avatar looks so angry and irritated, I think that is how I look when my kids ask me 1,000 questions before bed!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 03 June 2020, 16:06:15
If you're interested in Shrapnel but not a Kickstarter backer, it's available for preorder at Barnes & Noble in nook format for $5.99.

Release date is June 15th.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 03 June 2020, 16:35:44
If you're interested in Shrapnel but not a Kickstarter backer, it's available for preorder at Barnes & Noble in nook format for $5.99.

Release date is June 15th.

It'll be available in all formats on that date; we just got the universal link today and we're working on POD for that date as well. We'll put out an announcement with those links as soon as we're able.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 June 2020, 17:12:22
I was far too young to get/have the attention span for BT in the BattleTechnology days and a broke teenager during in the mechforce quarterly days so it will be nice to get shrapnel in print
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 03 June 2020, 18:10:27
That's a LOT of pages... not sure what the premium will be for POD...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 03 June 2020, 18:16:05
Question: Is there only going to be more than issues of Shrapnel beyond the four that were announced?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 June 2020, 18:26:37
That's a LOT of pages... not sure what the premium will be for POD...

Divided we fall was $10 and a novel is $14 so... $12?  I’m guessing the vast majority of distribution will be digital
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 03 June 2020, 18:27:51
Are Shrapnel's pages novel-sized, or source book-sized?  ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 June 2020, 19:24:56
Just by eyeballing they’re too narrow and tall to be sourcebook
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 03 June 2020, 19:34:33
Makes sense... kind of weird to have a magazine that size, though...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 June 2020, 19:38:05
Question: Is there only going to be more than issues of Shrapnel beyond the four that were announced?

Question- does it make a reasonable profit?  If yes, then yes . . . If no, then no . . . which was disclosed as the situation either in the KS itself or AMAs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 03 June 2020, 20:15:39
I will definitely be picking up the POD version.  I've read a little of the PDF copy and it's been a joy.  If they keep this up I will be more than happy to subscribe.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 03 June 2020, 20:27:18
Cubby already said it was fixed I think.

Roger that.

Probably on Amazon.ca's end not, if anything.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sigil on 04 June 2020, 02:34:33
Makes sense... kind of weird to have a magazine that size, though...

Shrapnel is the Reader's Digest of the BT Universe  >:D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Frabby on 04 June 2020, 02:35:17
Seeing how I've already paid for the PDF I am really torn on wether or not to put money down again for the PoD.

Cubby, do you think there is any possibility for upgrading the KS Shrapnel pledges from PDF to PoD? Or if there is a combo offer in the cards perhaps? (Probably not though given PoD is out-of-house for CGL, but it would be awesome.)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 04 June 2020, 02:58:50
I will be honest, I thought the back Hatchetman art was supposed to be the cover . . . anyway we can get the proper cover with the PDFs?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 04 June 2020, 04:35:22
"We are excited to announce that the first part of the novel Forgotten Worlds, The Hunt for Jardine by Herbert Beas II has been released as a digital story."


Is this any different than what you let Herb post on the site a few months back?   ???
If so, in What way?

Does this mean you'll also be releasing/rereleasing Part 2 at some point?
If so, will IT be any different than has already been posted?

 ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 04 June 2020, 05:36:02
"We are excited to announce that the first part of the novel Forgotten Worlds, The Hunt for Jardine by Herbert Beas II has been released as a digital story."


Is this any different than what you let Herb post on the site a few months back?   ???
If so, in What way?

Does this mean you'll also be releasing/rereleasing Part 2 at some point?
If so, will IT be any different than has already been posted?

 ???

Parts 1 and 2 will be what was already posted to BattleCorps way back when.  Part 3 will be an edited/factchecked/completed version of what Herb was serially posting on the boards when the contract was in question.  If you already have the BattleCorps serial, you wouldn't need to get Parts 1 and 2 (unless you felt like tossing some coin Catalyst's way).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 04 June 2020, 05:58:16
And if you have BattleCorps Anthology 3 (I think it was), part 1 was also printed in there.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Gaiiten on 04 June 2020, 08:52:16
"We are excited to announce that the first part of the novel Forgotten Worlds, The Hunt for Jardine by Herbert Beas II has been released as a digital story."

Could this mean that Herb Beas is coming back as BT author?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 04 June 2020, 09:27:12
Per his statement earlier it was something he already had a contract about- which was also why he removed posts about it in the non-canon fiction.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 04 June 2020, 11:04:33
Per his statement earlier it was something he already had a contract about- which was also why he removed posts about it in the non-canon fiction.

Sort of. I had an outstanding contract for the Jarding TtS book. The first two books of the Hunt for Jardine were already bought and published on BattleCorps long ago. I finished the third book on my own, because I hated leaving it unfinished, started to post it here as fanfic, and someone asked to buy it. So now that they have, it's theirs.

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: heist08 on 04 June 2020, 17:44:27
Hey Herb,

Didn't you originally plan for Forgotten Worlds to have four parts? Any chance you'll finish that last book?

heist08
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 04 June 2020, 19:21:58
Shrapnel is the Reader's Digest of the BT Universe  >:D

In this issue; VSD shares his father's bathroom reading preferences.

Don't forget to turn to page 10 for humour in skin-tight leather and fur uniform!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 04 June 2020, 21:23:24
Hey Herb,

Didn't you originally plan for Forgotten Worlds to have four parts? Any chance you'll finish that last book?

heist08

The fourth was a tentative idea. One that was supposed to explore what happens after her Jardine adventures, until she and her family vanish on Moore (events teased about in some Dark Age lore I'd written). But Book 4 was always the "optional" one, and so I never bothered with it. The 3 books will basically be it.

- Herb

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 04 June 2020, 21:24:31
Are Shrapnel's pages novel-sized, or source book-sized?  ???

I'm told they're the same size as recent fiction, 8.5 in x 5.5 in, and that the POD will be $9.99.

Cubby, do you think there is any possibility for upgrading the KS Shrapnel pledges from PDF to PoD? Or if there is a combo offer in the cards perhaps?

None that I'm aware of. The KS backer rewards cover digital only.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 05 June 2020, 03:06:15
Thanks Cubby!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: heist08 on 05 June 2020, 10:14:44
The fourth was a tentative idea. One that was supposed to explore what happens after her Jardine adventures, until she and her family vanish on Moore (events teased about in some Dark Age lore I'd written). But Book 4 was always the "optional" one, and so I never bothered with it. The 3 books will basically be it.

- Herb

Good to know. Thanks!

heist08
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 05 June 2020, 14:17:46
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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 June 2020, 14:34:34
And I just finished mowing the lawn  :thumbsup:

Been very interested to see how the Solomon Chop™️ worked out
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 05 June 2020, 14:38:46
Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules is the one-source reference for advanced rules that apply to on-world operations. It includes new movement and combat options.

Catalyst Web Store: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-tactical-operations-advanced-rules (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-tactical-operations-advanced-rules)
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The links are the same.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Frabby on 05 June 2020, 14:43:03
Oh boy. Should Sarna treat these as a new edition of an existing product or follow CGL's lead and create new product articles? I'm still undecided but leaning toward the latter...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 June 2020, 14:48:36
Probably as a new page (two pages?). It uses the same material but is distinct in its pagination - which reminds me. Let us know when you decide on a plan for updating TO citations. I imagine a few extra volunteers on that front would be useful
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 05 June 2020, 15:07:27
So if I have the version with the Victor cover that covers both of those things, is this just to delineate the two? Or are the contents updated over the last product?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Xotl on 05 June 2020, 15:15:10
The last single-volume TacOps PDF release (the one from two years ago, which also had the Victor cover) had a significant build error which essentially meant that it while it fixed all errors reported between the previous (2nd) printing and its release, that PDF also lost all the errata fixed from the 1st to the 2nd printing, which was a lot.  As such, this new split release is very different from the last combined PDF (i.e. much more up to date/accurate), and I would strongly recommend not using the old one.

The new release also has a few all-new fixes, as there was two years between releases.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 05 June 2020, 15:21:50
Wait, what?  The newest version has reintroduced errors previously corrected?? ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Xotl on 05 June 2020, 15:25:05
What?  No.  I'll edit the post to clarify.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 June 2020, 15:25:54
the first victor cover that was the combined volume, not the one that just dropped.

also. i WANT that 80s-esque tech specs Warhammer poster at the front of Advanced Units and Equipment in print (maybe reprise the whole set? pretty please?).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 05 June 2020, 15:45:41
Thank you for the clarification Xotl!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 05 June 2020, 16:04:50
The links are the same.

Whoops. Fixed, thanks.

Oh boy. Should Sarna treat these as a new edition of an existing product or follow CGL's lead and create new product articles? I'm still undecided but leaning toward the latter...

That's why you all get paid the big bucks.

FWIW, all CGL product (starting with I think Touring the Stars...Gulf Breeze? Rigil Kentarus? one of them) will now cite the new pair of books.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 05 June 2020, 16:39:51
@Cubby

Any word if the PDFs for the new TacOpses will be available through CrowdOx for those that purchased them via that channel?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 05 June 2020, 16:45:53
The last single-volume TacOps PDF release (the one from two years ago, which also had the Victor cover) had a significant build error which essentially meant that it while it fixed all errors reported between the previous (2nd) printing and its release, that PDF also lost all the errata fixed from the 1st to the 2nd printing, which was a lot.  As such, this new split release is very different from the last combined PDF (i.e. much more up to date/accurate), and I would strongly recommend not using the old one.

The new release also has a few all-new fixes, as there was two years between releases.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 05 June 2020, 17:03:53
@Cubby

Any word if the PDFs for the new TacOpses will be available through CrowdOx for those that purchased them via that channel?

That question came up on the social media comments too. Checking, but it'd be someone else who actually pulls the trigger on that, if so.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 05 June 2020, 18:06:28
Well guess I'm sticking with PDF only.

(http://i.imgur.com/ShpDK1vl.png) (https://imgur.com/ShpDK1v)

That's to Canada from the CGL store.

Edit as an extension of this.  Switched to PDF only (both books) and the new amount wanted is....<drumroll>

(http://i.imgur.com/1Hj6c2Ml.png) (https://imgur.com/1Hj6c2M)

Something be glitched at the store me thinks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 June 2020, 18:09:06
Yikes.

For reference of how bad that is, I’m 3-4 hours from Canada and only paid $9.50
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 05 June 2020, 18:29:15
Yeah...the CGL store is Re-Donk-u-lous for shipping to Canada.  I wish the CGL store could find better shipping.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 05 June 2020, 18:37:28
Yikes.

For reference of how bad that is, I’m 3-4 hours from Canada and only paid $9.50

You don't have to pay customs fees.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 June 2020, 18:59:48
Yes I was comparing how badly Canadians get shafted on shipping
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 05 June 2020, 19:23:19
Yeah...the CGL store is Re-Donk-u-lous for shipping to Canada.  I wish the CGL store could find better shipping.
Only way to get around that is if CGL had a fulfillment center or a PoD operation in Canada.

Any idea what what suppose to come out next?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 05 June 2020, 20:15:50
Any idea what what suppose to come out next?
yeah. An announcement of everything coming out next.
Not being snarky.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 05 June 2020, 20:20:15
yeah. An announcement of everything coming out next.
Not being snarky.

The real questions is when will we get the announcement?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 June 2020, 20:25:55
SOON
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 05 June 2020, 20:29:39
YES, MORE NEW STUFF PLEASE THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 05 June 2020, 20:51:36
The real questions is when will we get the announcement?

I'm typing as fast as I can!!

In all seriousness, folks - once we drop this upcoming announcement, hopefully early next week, I'll be going dark for awhile. I have a massive amount of BT work to do--editing, writing, developing--and need to take a few weeks to cut the pile down a bit. I'll try to keep tabs on things, but I won't be as responsive as usual here or on social media.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 05 June 2020, 21:08:20
I reported this ridiculous postage quite some time ago...it was insane cost to ship a single hard cover book to Australia, insane cost...it clearly hasn't been changed...I can think of little better ways to discourage your customers from buying your product...I buy and ship from the US regularly, and have not encountered similar ridiculous shipping costs from the other US companies I purchase from, using the exact same shipping companies too...

Well guess I'm sticking with PDF only.

(http://i.imgur.com/ShpDK1vl.png) (https://imgur.com/ShpDK1v)

That's to Canada from the CGL store.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 05 June 2020, 21:24:42
...I buy and ship from the US regularly, and have not encountered similar ridiculous shipping costs from the other US companies I purchase from, using the exact same shipping companies too...

Not all companies get the same shipping rates. Shipping companies cater to whoever gives them the most business so a company that regularly publishes and/or distributes paper products regularly are going to get better rates.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 05 June 2020, 21:37:09
Well guess I'm sticking with PDF only.

(http://i.imgur.com/ShpDK1vl.png) (https://imgur.com/ShpDK1v)

That's to Canada from the CGL store.

Something just doesn't seem right with that.

I handled all national and international shipping at my last job, and shipping to mainland USA from Canada usually ran us at around 20$ (Canadian), tops - and that's for packages, on average, about 10x the size of the average BattleTech sourcebook.

That's without any sort of special contracts; we only had contracts for stuff within Canada, but used basic Canada post for USA shipping. I can't believe that it's that much more expensive the other way around. Unless they're just offering a flat worldwide fee for all international customers, and their website isn't configured to accurately estimate shipping costs?

EDIT: Unless maybe it's shipping from China?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 05 June 2020, 22:42:45
yeah. An announcement of everything coming out next.
Not being snarky.

Hmm . . . the Origins/GenCon news drop . . . without a Con?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 05 June 2020, 23:08:59
Thanks, Guys. Lot of great work being done here.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 06 June 2020, 01:47:26
i WANT that 80s-esque tech specs Warhammer poster at the front of Advanced Units and Equipment in print (maybe reprise the whole set? pretty please?).
An announcement of everything coming out next.
8)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 06 June 2020, 07:19:54
Thank you for retaining the two-page equipment table format in the newly split TacOps.  I had previously asked about seeing other books' tables in that format (Tech Manual, IO, etc.), and received a negative answer, so was worried about the new printing.  Seriously, the two-page format puts all the relevant data in one place so you don't have to constantly flip back and forth when you're building a unit.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 06 June 2020, 10:58:08
KS backer, hopefully more of the digital rewards will be ‘in the can’ and retail ready. 

I’m really hoping the legends book will come out soon, as that looks like it will be a banger.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 06 June 2020, 10:58:46
Something just doesn't seem right with that.

I handled all national and international shipping at my last job, and shipping to mainland USA from Canada usually ran us at around 20$ (Canadian), tops - and that's for packages, on average, about 10x the size of the average BattleTech sourcebook.

That's without any sort of special contracts; we only had contracts for stuff within Canada, but used basic Canada post for USA shipping. I can't believe that it's that much more expensive the other way around. Unless they're just offering a flat worldwide fee for all international customers, and their website isn't configured to accurately estimate shipping costs?

EDIT: Unless maybe it's shipping from China?

It's been like this for years. When I check the shipping original it's always coming out of US.  I end up waiting till I see it show up on another retailer (Aries) or Amazon and get shipping for 1/3 to 1/4 of the costs.  Especially with the new CUSMA (USMCA) agreement I've seen shipping costs drop and no longer paying duty from other companies.

Something that I hope someone looks into someday.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 06 June 2020, 11:01:49
I’m really hoping the legends book will come out soon, as that looks like it will be a banger.
Not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 06 June 2020, 11:08:53
It's been like this for years. When I check the shipping original it's always coming out of US.  I end up waiting till I see it show up on another retailer (Aries) or Amazon and get shipping for 1/3 to 1/4 of the costs.  Especially with the new CUSMA (USMCA) agreement I've seen shipping costs drop and no longer paying duty from other companies.

Something that I hope someone looks into someday.

Yes, I wish to support CGL directly, but when I'm paying $39 for a book, but then $41 for the shipping, I end going...nope, I'll wait and purchase local for half the price (half being NO shipping in this case)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 06 June 2020, 11:44:06
8)

Oh, you
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 06 June 2020, 11:48:52
It's been like this for years. When I check the shipping original it's always coming out of US.  I end up waiting till I see it show up on another retailer (Aries) or Amazon and get shipping for 1/3 to 1/4 of the costs.  Especially with the new CUSMA (USMCA) agreement I've seen shipping costs drop and no longer paying duty from other companies.

Something that I hope someone looks into someday.

I'll second that, if it's worth anything.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 06 June 2020, 12:36:02
Everyone who wants a book but doesn't want to or can't pay that much shipping should ask your local store to order one, and not just wait for it to show up somewhere nearby.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 06 June 2020, 12:39:54
Everyone who wants a book but doesn't want to or can't pay that much shipping should ask your local store to order one, and not just wait for it to show up somewhere nearby.

First - not gonna be snarky here, so please understand that.

Currently, with COVID, a lot of places in Canada are still closed, and shipping across the border is a lot longer than it was before.

Case in Point.

I ordered some FPG Decals for my mechs on April 24, 2020, they were mailed April 27, 2020. I finally received them around May 20th.

Same for any other order from the US. It seems Canada post/Canada Customs is force quarantining none produce shipments from the US.

So, while I would love to order from my Local Game store, they just aren't open yet due to Health restrictions.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 06 June 2020, 12:49:44
I'm very nearly 100% certain they still have an email address.  And the biggest point to take away was "don't just wait for it to show up".  Demonstrate demand if you want it without having to pay big shipping bucks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 06 June 2020, 13:27:10
With an insane mark up like that, I'm surprised nobody here has tried starting a re-shipping business.  Maybe that's what I'll do after I retire, if they haven't fixed it by then...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 06 June 2020, 15:13:27
I'm very nearly 100% certain they still have an email address.  And the biggest point to take away was "don't just wait for it to show up".  Demonstrate demand if you want it without having to pay big shipping bucks.

Ah but you see, we are Canadian and the biggest thing you need to understand about is we don't complain. Sure we may do so here in the forums, but in the real world we smile and either accept it or we go elsewhere. We don't send food back at restaurants, we don't make scenes. We eat the steak and just don't come back.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 06 June 2020, 15:22:57
Everyone who wants a book but doesn't want to or can't pay that much shipping should ask your local store to order one, and not just wait for it to show up somewhere nearby.

First local store only allows for special orders for a select handful of products.
Second local store doesn't do special orders at all.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 06 June 2020, 15:45:55
Folks, I don't have the faintest idea what the issue is. My general understanding is that it's not on our end, but our fulfillment company. I'll see if I can get some answers. For now though, please drop the matter, it sucks but beyond that there really isn't anything to add to it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 06 June 2020, 17:54:01
Not anytime soon.

Oof.  Adrian giveth with spoilers, and taketh away
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: R3dstar77 on 06 June 2020, 18:40:08
Question, is Tac Ops going to be coming to DriveThruRPG at all for PoD?  (or some similar thing?) Or will the Book only be available through the store (failing that is it too late to somehow get it added to my Clan Invasion purchase through contacting Catalyst?)

Failing all of that is printing a physical copy myself from the PDF version for personal use allowed via Terms of Use?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 06 June 2020, 18:47:52
Plans could always change but your physical book options for the foreseeable future seem to be

1) CGL store
2) KS add on
3) your local store stocks it
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 11:04:18
BattleTech: State of the Game, June 2020

We just posted a major update on products coming in the next few months. Check it out here (https://bg.battletech.com/news/battletech-state-of-the-game-june-2020/)!

And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?

(https://i.ibb.co/nMSnmVW/Recog-Guide-Vol-01-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/N2zmCk4)

(https://i.ibb.co/LJ1zLrt/OTP-Hanseatic-Crusades-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/D8QDxYC)  (https://i.ibb.co/BT1g5cw/Chaos-Campaign-TUKAYYID-display-cover-NOT-FINAL.png) (https://ibb.co/c2mNSkx)

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 11:08:00
HOLY SHIT INCOMING
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 09 June 2020, 11:08:28
Thats awesome!!!!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2020, 11:11:02
Well, while that Dominator has the same pose as the Dragoons story cover . . . THIS one has the Wolf logo on the shoulder.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 09 June 2020, 11:12:55
Always Love me a Chaos Campaign!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: pat_hdx on 09 June 2020, 11:17:08
Quote
what product(s) are you most excited about

Hanseatic Crusade...without a doubt!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 11:17:43
All,

Please do click on the link—there’s much, MUCH more we just announced than is pictured. Not everything had an image to share.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: AnejoDave on 09 June 2020, 11:20:59
Since the 'single print volume' version of the IlClan recognition guide  appears that it wont contain _everything_ from the PDFs...can I get DTRPG or something to print the PDF series in its entirety as a single object?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 09 June 2020, 11:21:16
 :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

(I’m just really hoping the Hanseatic League isn’t about to die)

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 11:23:11
Since the 'single print volume' version of the IlClan recognition guide  appears that it wont contain _everything_ from the PDFs...can I get DTRPG or something to print the PDF series in its entirety as a single object?

We’re too far away from that point to answer that right now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2020, 11:23:37
OOOO Fiction!

Not the Founding of the Clans 1 & 2 that is overdue but the hinted at Greywatch . . . eh, Academy story . . . Rock of the Republic giving Damien & the Remnant's story.  And a Vlad feature on taking all of the Kerensky icons away from the Homies.  Golden Century in June . . . Irregulars in July . . .

Wonder if we will get the missing 45/50 designs from the Recognition Guide- sounds like a great place to find the Orion C.

Lol, new fiction about the Falcons with a 'A. Pryde' as the main character.

And . . . heh, Scorpions are fighting with a deep periphery neighbor!

Hour of the Wolf- the fiction for the showdown we will get details on with ilClan.

WOOO!  Operation Guerrero on Sept 11th . . . oh, that is going to be fun.  It will be great to put that together for some MM combat.

Foxes are selling blueprints to 4 mechs- Dire Wolf, Timber Wolf, Warhammer and Phoenix Hawk!- in the 3rd quarter


And the list of 4th Quarter & Beyond-
Chaos Campaign: Battle of Tukayyid
Blood Will Tell by Jason Schmetzer
Spotlight On: The Stealths
Hunting Season by Philip A. Lee
Spotlight On: Snord’s Irregulars
Rogue Academy #3: Crimson Dawn by Jennifer Brozek
Touring the Stars POD compilation
Spotlight On: Payne’s Raiders
Map Pack: Alien Worlds
IlClan
MechCommander’s Handbook

Payne's Raiders- we find out what happened after Hall for the 'true' Tigers.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: AnejoDave on 09 June 2020, 11:26:13
We’re too far away from that point to answer that right now.
Take this as one 'i'm buyin all those PDFs, but also prefer to have _all_ of that in print' vote :D

Love the upcoming releases, very much looking forward to the rest of the year.

THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 09 June 2020, 11:38:21
All,

Please do click on the link—there’s much, MUCH more we just announced than is pictured. Not everything had an image to share.

Oh trust me....I did...Still love me Chaos Campaigns!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 June 2020, 11:39:27
Are the IlClan recognition guide books going to be entierly new material or are they going to be essentially TRO:SW / TRO:CI but with updated art?

(I am still pretty angry that I spent money on TRO:SW so need to make sure before I plan to buy)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kles on 09 June 2020, 11:39:51
I want essentially everything listed there. I just got more and more excited about all the releases coming out as I read about them. Brings back memories of the old days where we didn’t know what was coming and were eagerly awaiting how the universe was going to change.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 11:46:12
Are the IlClan recognition guide books going to be entierly new material or are they going to be essentially TRO:SW / TRO:CI but with updated art?

(I am still pretty angry that I spent money on TRO:SW so need to make sure before I plan to buy)

I’m sure if you wait about 30 seconds after it drops one of us loons will let you know
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 11:46:35
Are the IlClan recognition guide books going to be entierly new material or are they going to be essentially TRO:SW / TRO:CI but with updated art?

(I am still pretty angry that I spent money on TRO:SW so need to make sure before I plan to buy)
all new writing. Mostly new stats and record sheets. Much of the art you've seen already by now. If you have any trepidation then wait for the reviews. This is not TRO: CI or SW.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 09 June 2020, 11:49:02
Hanseatic Crusade...without a doubt!
Ditto, along with the Operation: Guerrero book
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 09 June 2020, 11:50:46
Is the RG:IlClan going be a PoD or it's going be more traditional printing when it comes out in paper (assuming it does.).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Frabby on 09 June 2020, 11:51:48
Payne's Raiders- we find out what happened after Hall for the 'true' Tigers.
According to the info currently available, they merged into the Dismal Disinherited and were killed dead by the Word of Blake shortly afterwards.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 11:53:46
Holy shit that's a lot of stuff. MEGApumped.
What's the recognition guide 'mech in the upper left-hand picture?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 11:54:35
According to the info currently available, they merged into the Dismal Disinherited and were killed dead by the Word of Blake shortly afterwards.
you mean according to Sarna?  ::)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 09 June 2020, 11:55:25
HOLY SHIT INCOMING

Where's the frackin' like button!

What do ya'll mean 'which one' ... All .. of ... them !!!

[edit: after knee jerk response]

What? there's more?

I am hoping for a surviving GS/EI too.  My favorites always die: Jags, Spirits, Mandrills, Nova Cats? (really unsure what is going on with them), Vipers (well before they went all bat-crazy then died).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 11:55:37
Holy shit that's a lot of stuff. MEGApumped.
What's the recognition guide 'mech in the upper left-hand picture?
Thresher II.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: I am Belch II on 09 June 2020, 11:56:26
Holy wow!!! Can't wait to make my credit card ache in pain.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2020, 12:00:43
According to the info currently available, they merged into the Dismal Disinherited and were killed dead by the Word of Blake shortly afterwards.

I think that story ends with them getting a offer on the ride out with that being a inference based on what Payne gets offered.  Sure the Dismal D they left Hall with got destroyed as a command but . . . we could either get that story or some sort of genesis story for the Raiders.  I liked Payne . . . he was wrong, but one of the best parts of the story IMO was the way his decisions were made keeping strictly in line with information he would have IC- no 'I am suspicious of Blakists, and hey look!  Evil Blakists.'  The writing avoided the trap I see a lot of stuff like what happens when re-enacting the Clan Invasion- a IS player will use tactics developed after decades (literally!) of though put in to how to beat the Clans rather than marching out to meet them on the (then) flawed assumption the Clans were some pirates and no different than what the Houses' were fielding.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 12:01:44
Ditto, along with the Operation: Guerrero book

Yeah, Guerrero is most DEFINITELY my number one here. Nice to finally have it be featured.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 09 June 2020, 12:01:59
And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?
Recognition Guide: ilClan, vol. 1 through 22 I will buy them, but if the print version is a maybe depending on how complete it is.
Technical Readout: Golden Century  This will inspire a lot of campaigns and other ideas.

Rock of the Republic
Icons of War 
Hour of the Wolf
Making the journey to the IlClan a very good read.


Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 09 June 2020, 12:04:53
Hansiatic Crusade looks like a winner in my book.  All the new products look like fun, but I especially love events coreward. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 12:07:52
Its good to have the fiction tap on full crank again. Wasnt sure if that would be the case
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 June 2020, 12:09:43
Super curious what the perspective and point in the timeline the RG:ilClan books will be written from. While I would LOVE for them to spoil the suspense of who the ilClan is, I doubt they will, but it seems weird to have the RG:ilClan written before the establishment of the ilClan. Curious to see how that pans out.

Also super excited for TRO GC. Probably the book I want the most that has nothing to do with ilClan.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 09 June 2020, 12:11:38
Is the RG:IlClan going be a PoD or it's going be more traditional printing when it comes out in paper (assuming it does.).

Description says many of the designs will be featured in a print book in the future.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 June 2020, 12:12:16
all new writing. Mostly new stats and record sheets. Much of the art you've seen already by now. If you have any trepidation then wait for the reviews. This is not TRO: CI or SW.

All new writing is enough for me, my purchase is assured.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 12:12:54
There’s still more in there. Brush Wars coming back (and the OOP volumes in POd)…Blueprints…
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 12:16:13
Description says many of the designs will be featured in a print book in the future.

I think the question may have been, will it be available in DTF as POD only, or will it get a print run and in-store distribution as a "regular" DTF product.

If so--I don't have an answer. My *guess* would be the latter, but that's still pretty far out. We've got 22 installments of this thing to produce between now and then!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 09 June 2020, 12:16:42
There’s still more in there. Brush Wars coming back (and the OOP volumes in POd)…Blueprints…

I'm hyped for the blueprints, I actually just got my OG ones back from my parents house and am considering putting one up on the wall in place of my one of the Campaign Ops cover.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 09 June 2020, 12:17:57
So... what’s the MechCommander’s Handbook??
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 12:18:12
There’s still more in there. Brush Wars coming back (and the OOP volumes in POd)…Blueprints…

Brush Wars: Operation HAMMERFALL would be very neat.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 12:19:04
i saw the warhammer in the TO reprint and knew i had to have it.

also my FASA folded prints box still has the shrinkwrap on it

So... what’s the MechCommander’s Handbook??

that piqued my interest too
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 09 June 2020, 12:19:45
So... what’s the MechCommander’s Handbook??

I second that question.  I have no clue.
Ack, Sartis beat me.  I'm thirding that question now before somebody else replies!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 12:23:59
So... what’s the MechCommander’s Handbook??
just wanted to tease the title (it’s gone through several titles and project revisions), because it’s the project I’m really looking forward to working on once a lot of things clear off my plate. Will have more news in the coming month. I will say however that it has zero to do with the video game franchise. When you use titles like “MechWarrior” and “MechCommander”…there’s gonna be overlap, the titles are too good to fall into disuse.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 June 2020, 12:33:37
*rereads*
>Icons of War
*Spittakes!*
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 12:34:43
Hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geont on 09 June 2020, 12:35:55
BattleTech: State of the Game, June 2020

We just posted a major update on products coming in the next few months. Check it out here (https://bg.battletech.com/news/battletech-state-of-the-game-june-2020/)!

And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?

(https://i.ibb.co/nMSnmVW/Recog-Guide-Vol-01-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/N2zmCk4)

(https://i.ibb.co/LJ1zLrt/OTP-Hanseatic-Crusades-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/D8QDxYC)  (https://i.ibb.co/BT1g5cw/Chaos-Campaign-TUKAYYID-display-cover-NOT-FINAL.png) (https://ibb.co/c2mNSkx)

I have two word, Brush Wars :)  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 09 June 2020, 12:39:57
This feels like 2013 and the never-ending streak of new releases of that year  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 09 June 2020, 12:47:15
just wanted to tease the title (it’s gone through several titles and project revisions), because it’s the project I’m really looking forward to working on once a lot of things clear off my plate. Will have more news in the coming month. I will say however that it has zero to do with the video game franchise. When you use titles like “MechWarrior” and “MechCommander”…there’s gonna be overlap, the titles are too good to fall into disuse.

Lol kind of figured ;)

Is it rules or background/fiction?
This feels like 2013 and the never-ending streak of new releases of that year  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Nibs on 09 June 2020, 12:48:44
The Hanseatic Crusade is one of the most intriguing. Scorpions definitely get some love from TPTB (Crimson Seeker Star, escape from the Homeworlds, involvement in Forever Faithful), which is nice.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LightGuard on 09 June 2020, 12:50:18
This feels like 2013 and the never-ending streak of new releases of that year  ;D

Could this be...The Year of BattleTech, Part Deux: Beyond Hilton Head?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 09 June 2020, 12:52:51
So, of all the new stuff, how much will we see in hard-copy format?  Yes, the RG series will be PDF only for a while, but how much of the fiction will be in print?  It's nigh on IMPOSSIBLE to have an author autograph a kindle-version of their book!   :o   

Will the Blueprints be in print, or PDF only?  If print, will they be rolled or folded?


And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?
Yes.   :excited:

Of the 3 items in the post, I'm Most Interested in the RG. 
Of what you have scheduled?  #1 Fiction (Preferably in paperback!), #2 the RG Series, #3 Map Pack: Alien Worlds, #4 Technical Blueprints Volume 1, and then the other stuff.   ;D



Technical Blueprints Volume 1

I can't believe no one else commented on the Implications of "Volume 1"!!   :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 09 June 2020, 12:56:38
I am stoked to finally get TRO: Golden Century
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 13:06:24
So, of all the new stuff, how much will we see in hard-copy format?  Yes, the RG series will be PDF only for a while, but how much of the fiction will be in print? 

It'll be a case-by-case basis, and I don't have specifics on John's plans as far as fiction POD. In many cases, it'll depend on the size of each individual piece. For instance, I don't how how large "Grey Watch Protocol" will be, but that would determine whether it could be released in print on its own, or whether it'll have to wait to be compiled with parts 2 and 3. Those decisions may not have even been made yet.

However, in general, I think you can look at our track record over the past few months as a pretty good indication of the availability of fiction in print. It may not all be in print on day 1, but management is aware of the demand for print fiction and is meeting that demand in whatever ways make the most sense for each product.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 09 June 2020, 13:36:00
I'm just hoping a lot of these 'Manual Sized' PDF's will be available in PoD for Canada (amazon.ca)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 09 June 2020, 13:41:06
Quote
we’re not talking about a new edition of Explorer Corps


I feel personally attacked...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 13:42:15
Just updated the post with this art for "Grey Watch Protocol" - let me save you a click!

(https://i.ibb.co/3h0xfQ7/Grey-Watch.png) (https://ibb.co/NYL01bs)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 13:42:57
I'm just hoping a lot of these 'Manual Sized' PDF's will be available in PoD for Canada (amazon.ca)

Not sure I follow? Manual Sized?

Remember that Amazon POD right now is for fiction only. Sourcebook POD is done through DriveThruRPG.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2020, 13:45:29
The cover is nice . . . very nice.
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Post by: The_Livewire on 09 June 2020, 13:46:23
[

And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?


Strangely, Hanseatic Crusade.  The idea intrigued me from WoR.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 09 June 2020, 13:59:53
While I'm excited, a lot for me will matter on how much ends up as POD.  I really like the feel of paper and not a fan of looking things up via PDF.  So here is to hoping that most of the items show up in print format :)

Psy
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Knightmare on 09 June 2020, 14:06:32
Technical Readout: Golden Century  This will inspire a lot of campaigns and other ideas.

Then...and now. There's a lot in the book to play with. I really enjoyed the EC designs. They'll make for some fun early Clan trials.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 09 June 2020, 14:12:55
Then...and now. There's a lot in the book to play with. I really enjoyed the EC designs. They'll make for some fun early Clan trials.
I have so many projects that were waiting for it, I think that reading TRO:GC will really fuel my muse. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 09 June 2020, 14:20:23
 xp

too much stuff even, so much to look forward to
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Argil on 09 June 2020, 14:22:00
just wanted to tease the title (it’s gone through several titles and project revisions), because it’s the project I’m really looking forward to working on once a lot of things clear off my plate. Will have more news in the coming month. I will say however that it has zero to do with the video game franchise. When you use titles like “MechWarrior” and “MechCommander”…there’s gonna be overlap, the titles are too good to fall into disuse.
My money is on a new age of AlphaStrike. I really hope so.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 09 June 2020, 14:23:34
I'm most pumped for the recognition guides and the Operation Guerrero bit.  I look forward to playing through some scenarios!  (Poor Fed-Com Brigade gets wrecked!)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 09 June 2020, 14:24:05
Really looking forward to the Brush Wars books, both because I've enjoyed those reads and to finally see the details of what went down during Guerrero in detail.

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 09 June 2020, 14:29:22
I'm trying to refurbish a property but seriously take my money  :clap: :clap: after the drought and this year in general its very welcone
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 14:36:14
when they took the line... offline after shattered fortress to restructure and reorganize, this was the payoff i was hoping for
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 09 June 2020, 14:36:43
Argh, seriously:  xp
Difficult to figure out exactly what i'm looking forward most.
New fiction surrounding IlClan/3150? Nice. New TROs, awesome. Brush Wars stuff, very nice. iCRG (ilClan Recognition Guide, not as catchy as TRO unfortunately), nice, though i'll wait for a compilation probably, and same with Brush Wars.

What are those Technical Blueprints? Like cutaways and ortho drawings with interesting stuff labelled?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 14:39:22
they're a throwback product to the old tech blueprints first released in... 85? the new warhammer print is near the beginning of one of the TacOps reprints

(https://external-preview.redd.it/LNLoM5VzkkHkHFFuiAfuz8pSBdEV5ieb9hkZCMv6700.jpg?auto=webp&s=740686ce83a63d1e1b196e4816dff08d38da3931)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: AnejoDave on 09 June 2020, 14:44:28
I think the question may have been, will it be available in DTF as POD only, or will it get a print run and in-store distribution as a "regular" DTF product.

If so--I don't have an answer. My *guess* would be the latter, but that's still pretty far out. We've got 22 installments of this thing to produce between now and then!

I was assuming that it would get a TRO style release, where about 80% of it is in the book, and the reamining 20% left to PDF.  I want a full, combined volume of _everything_, and so while I'll buy PDFs because HELL YES, I also want a printed version and if POD can give me a single volume of all of that, I'll go that route, assuming DTRPG can do that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 09 June 2020, 14:48:00
Not sure I follow? Manual Sized?

Remember that Amazon POD right now is for fiction only. Sourcebook POD is done through DriveThruRPG.

That would be it then...source book sized.

Thanx!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 09 June 2020, 15:14:12
Holy... Scorpions, Irregulars, Guerreros...
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/oh-my-takei.gif)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 09 June 2020, 15:15:49
they're a throwback product to the old tech blueprints first released in... 85? the new warhammer print is near the beginning of one of the TacOps reprints

(https://external-preview.redd.it/LNLoM5VzkkHkHFFuiAfuz8pSBdEV5ieb9hkZCMv6700.jpg?auto=webp&s=740686ce83a63d1e1b196e4816dff08d38da3931)

It's also on the inside front and back covers of Alpha Strike Commander's Edition.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2020, 15:17:21
The GenCon display would have been crazy this year . . .

Any chance we could get a picture or even video pan of what the booth space would have looked like with all this new stuff on display?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 15:18:17
Really looking forward to the Brush Wars books, both because I've enjoyed those reads and to finally see the details of what went down during Guerrero in detail.

I have the first draft in hand, the awesome Xotl doing the writing. It's real good, I think you'll be pleased.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 15:21:31
I was assuming that it would get a TRO style release, where about 80% of it is in the book, and the reamining 20% left to PDF.  I want a full, combined volume of _everything_, and so while I'll buy PDFs because HELL YES, I also want a printed version and if POD can give me a single volume of all of that, I'll go that route, assuming DTRPG can do that.

Heard and understood. Like I said, too early to say for sure what form any of that will take. We have 22 volumes of this thing to crank out first!

For what it's worth, I want them all in POD in some form, ideally one volume but maybe across one or two. Why? So myself and Bosefius don't spend our lives explaining that, "see, Mech variant #07A is only in vol. 17 in PDF form, while #07B and C were in vol. 18 and 19, and did get collected in TRO ilClan..." The hell with that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 09 June 2020, 15:22:22
I have the first draft in hand, the awesome Xotl doing the writing. It's real good, I think you'll be pleased.

Thanks for ratcheting up the anticipation another level  :thumbsup:

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 09 June 2020, 15:24:21
The thing I'm looking forward to is tukkayid. The thing I'm most curious about is mechcommander's handbook.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 15:28:38
Thanks for ratcheting up the anticipation another level  :thumbsup:

So, I'm developing Brush Wars, and I'll be honest, this draft really was great. I'll probably do a Developer's Notes post in September when this is closer to release, but Guerrero was among the entries that was supposed to be in the defunct Brush Wars II book. And even with then-LD Herb's outline, I suspected this was going to be the toughest one to do, because it takes place almost entirely in fiction ("Bred for War"), and somewhat off camera there. Shattered Sphere had some detail, but this is going to give you everything you need to know.

And, with all these Brush Wars volumes, my intent was to maintain them as the chapters they would have been in a full Brush Wars sourcebook. (Which, POD willing, they will be again someday.) Meaning, not 1,000 words of overview and then tracks and "back matter." But more like 17,000 words of sourcebook text, with some crunch to follow, and more in the accompanying TTS and SO supplements. To say "we've never covered these conflicts" and then only give them, like, two pages of text, would have been criminal.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 09 June 2020, 15:30:42
Sounds superb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 15:35:54
Another cover didn’t make it in time for the announcement (it’s there now). Take a look and tell me if you know what ‘Mech that is.
(https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Rogue-Academy-2.png)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 15:39:02
orion?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 09 June 2020, 15:39:27
Ostroc
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 15:40:02
Ostroc

oh dang, you right
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 15:40:32
Nope
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 15:42:51
(Guys, this is Ray asking.)

It's a Marauder.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 June 2020, 15:44:59
Marauders aints gots no hands.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 15:46:45
a canon marauder with hands might actually activate some kind of long lost sleeper cell kill team to come after the devs
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 09 June 2020, 15:49:37
Is that a Fireball?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 15:49:59
Here’s a hint. You’ll see more on Anothony’s Patreon eventually, and in the RecGuide.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 15:52:34
the other other ost that's not the ostwar
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 June 2020, 15:53:12
Well, its got 2 'smokestacks' off the back . . . what is a FS or DC mech that folks have been clamoring for?  Its not a Ostscout- head, chest and stacks are too different.

Tian-Zong?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 June 2020, 15:53:35
It's the OstBosch, finally!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 09 June 2020, 15:54:54
the other other ost that's not the ostwar
Ostsol?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 15:56:01
There ya go.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 15:56:14
a canon marauder with hands might actually activate some kind of long lost sleeper cell kill team to come after the devs

::awakened one night::

"Mr. Arrastia sent us. He said we have to get your head."
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 15:57:43
Here’s a hint. You’ll see more on Anothony’s Patreon eventually, and in the RecGuide.

K-kawaii!

It's got cute little jowls that it looks abashed about.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 09 June 2020, 15:58:31
There ya go.
Question, will the Mechs be divided between the ReqGuides by theme/background?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 09 June 2020, 16:02:18
I can’t tell, but it doesn’t look like a MAD to me.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 16:02:54
K-kawaii!

It's got cute little jowls that it looks abashed about.
(Note to Anthony: start over)

Question, will the Mechs be divided between the ReqGuides by theme/background?
nuh-uh. All the candy’s mixed. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 16:07:14
so like the primatives volumes but twenty-two instead of five.

do they have roughly the same number of mechs in them? and are they going to be priced similarly to xtros?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 09 June 2020, 16:08:29
I was also wondering if the Recognition Guides will be somewhat like the TRO 3145 series of PDFs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: heist08 on 09 June 2020, 16:39:08
All the new products look awesome, guys. The number of ebooks coming out this year is fantastic. Put those writers to work and keep the fiction coming!  :D

heist08
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 09 June 2020, 16:46:31
Jeez, can't a guy go to work without this thread adding TWO WHOLE PAGES while I'm there??  ::)

More seriously, this grognard's shriveled heart is warmed by (in no particular order):
Brush Wars series (anything before 3039)
Shrapnel #2 (Sniper Rifles and Stackpole's story got my hopes up)
Spotlight On: Thermo Police (+1 for remembering the Wastes!)
TTS: Kaumberg (It's a TTS... it wins)
TRO: Irregulars (on my birthday, no less)
Turning Points: Tyrfing (1SW FTW!)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: AnejoDave on 09 June 2020, 16:52:46
Heard and understood. Like I said, too early to say for sure what form any of that will take. We have 22 volumes of this thing to crank out first!

For what it's worth, I want them all in POD in some form, ideally one volume but maybe across one or two. Why? So myself and Bosefius don't spend our lives explaining that, "see, Mech variant #07A is only in vol. 17 in PDF form, while #07B and C were in vol. 18 and 19, and did get collected in TRO ilClan..." The hell with that.

I mean, YES!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Orwell84 on 09 June 2020, 17:02:55
Best news I've woken up to in months! Thank you for sharing with us, and for everybody who's worked hard on these :thumbsup:

Most anticipated:
Any fiction involving the 3140s-50s, plus Icons of War (nice to see the Wars of Reaving finally explored fiction-wise)

OTP:Hanseatic Crusade and associated PDFs. Not just interested in the Imperio but also how it's managed to survive its rocky start to become a Periphery power by 3140.

Brush Wars. Looking forward to Guerrero, and most definitely Burrock Absorption.

And of course - IlClan at last :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 09 June 2020, 17:06:06
Heard and understood. Like I said, too early to say for sure what form any of that will take. We have 22 volumes of this thing to crank out first!

For what it's worth, I want them all in POD in some form, ideally one volume but maybe across one or two. Why? So myself and Bosefius don't spend our lives explaining that, "see, Mech variant #07A is only in vol. 17 in PDF form, while #07B and C were in vol. 18 and 19, and did get collected in TRO ilClan..." The hell with that.

awesome, glad we're avoiding the FactionTRO:3145, TRO:3145, TRO:3150 debacle again :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 17:21:28
(Note to Anthony: start over)

(https://i.imgflip.com/mzq6m.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 17:31:31
J/K
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 09 June 2020, 17:46:37
Price point on the recognition guides?  If you SOBs are going to milk me at least once a week, I better budget for it ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PlEGUY on 09 June 2020, 18:10:43
BattleTech: State of the Game, June 2020

We just posted a major update on products coming in the next few months. Check it out here (https://bg.battletech.com/news/battletech-state-of-the-game-june-2020/)!

And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?


Those recognition guides are looking pretty sexy. I love me some mech artwork.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 18:12:49
Price point on the recognition guides?  If you SOBs are going to milk me at least once a week, I better budget for it ;)

Every other week. You have time to scrounge some extra change from the couch

I’m going to guess $5
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: General308 on 09 June 2020, 18:16:21
22 recognition guides?   Is that to much product? 

Really looking forward to the novels
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 18:20:45
It is a lot yeah. You can always wait for the pod
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: heist08 on 09 June 2020, 19:03:08
Hmmm... I was so excited by the huge list of awesomeness that I failed to notice that the two remaining parts to Forgotten Worlds weren’t on the list. Shouldn’t they have been included?

heist08
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 09 June 2020, 19:18:31
My wallet is already feeling the pain!

Seriously though, is the RG series will include the Record Sheets in the books?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dukeroyal on 09 June 2020, 19:29:59
Will the Burrock Absorption include information on what WarShips the Blood Spirits traded to the Snow Ravens and what class of WarShip the Carmine Justice was? This is a product I've been waiting for since Field Manual: Crusader Clans.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 19:30:16
J/K

(https://i.imgflip.com/101lwn.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: James Benedict on 09 June 2020, 20:12:09
BattleTech: State of the Game, June 2020

And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?

(https://i.ibb.co/LJ1zLrt/OTP-Hanseatic-Crusades-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/D8QDxYC) 

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^

I've waited years to see what's been going on in the Escorpion Imperio after it was last mentioned in 3095!  THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Deadborder on 09 June 2020, 20:30:55
I gotta say that I'm most excited for the two TROs, as well as the Scorpion Empire TP myslef.

With that being said, I'm going to look at the new TROs/Recognition Guides, then look at my backlog of MegaMek art I still need to do. Then I am going to cry
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 June 2020, 20:37:49
after getting a better look at the list, i'm looking forward to

1) BW: Guerrero (and to a lesser extent St. Ives)
2) TRO: Golden Century
3) RecGuides (mostly just to see what's in them)

most intriguing: MechCommander's Guide
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 09 June 2020, 20:41:41
We can hope so, TRO 3145 series did and people gave it positive feedback for that fact.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 09 June 2020, 21:17:54
Faction 3145 PDFs with record sheets were really good, i like how they had variants of the mechs/vehicles in the book.

I am trying look hard at my budget feeling i should wait for RG printed book comes out, with all the designs in one place.  Though it took while for the pdf version of the book come out.

If i mis remembered reading this, it sounds like going be 1 new Mech per book, with stuff from KS or am i misreading the announcement.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 09 June 2020, 21:21:02
Oh, right, that reminds me. Are we getting record sheets with the upcoming TROs (and Recognition Guides i suppose), either as simultaneously or at least soon after, or included in the TRO (like XTROs or factional TRO3145)?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 09 June 2020, 21:25:47
Quote
Recognition Guide: ilClan, vol. 1 through 22
Release Date: Friday, June 19 (vol. 1), continuing every two weeks through Aug. 28 (vol. 6); resuming in early Fall 2020.

The march of technology across BattleTech’s eras is relentless—but some BattleMech designs never die. Each installment of this PDF-only series not only includes a brand new BattleMech or OmniMech, but also details Classic ‘Mech designs from both the Inner Sphere and the Clans, now fully rebuilt with Dark Age technology (3085 and beyond). Allowing beloved units redesigned for the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter to be competitive on “modern” battlefields, this series also includes in-universe development notes, battle histories, notable pilots, and record sheets for each ‘Mech. Released as a series of 22 PDF-only documents through the end of 2020 and early 2021, many ’Mechs featured in this series will be collected as a single print volume upon its completion.

Guys.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 09 June 2020, 21:27:49
There was a lot of stuff to go through. And that answers only for the RG, not TROs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 09 June 2020, 21:47:12
Hmmm... I was so excited by the huge list of awesomeness that I failed to notice that the two remaining parts to Forgotten Worlds weren’t on the list. Shouldn’t they have been included?

Yes, but I didn't have exact timeframes for them. There's actually even more fiction pieces not in this list, that I had to omit because they either weren't going to be 3rd quarter or early 4th, or because they're still coming together. But Forgotten Worlds 2 and 3 are definitely happening, and likely both before year's end.

Will the Burrock Absorption include information on what WarShips the Blood Spirits traded to the Snow Ravens and what class of WarShip the Carmine Justice was? This is a product I've been waiting for since Field Manual: Crusader Clans.

It's still in development. But making a note about this. If you've been waiting THAT long, jeez, the least we can do is scratch that itch for ya.

1) BW: Guerrero (and to a lesser extent St. Ives)

Right now, I don't have St. Ives in the first cycle of three BW products. Which sounds insane because I've had the entire draft completed since August 2013, but I need to have at least one reasonably solid, and definitely completed, draft in the hopper in case something goes haywire with the others. But it'll see the light of day eventually, and then I can die in peace.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dukeroyal on 09 June 2020, 22:00:32

It's still in development. But making a note about this. If you've been waiting THAT long, jeez, the least we can do is scratch that itch for ya.

Thanks Cubby. All the Blood Spirit fans appreciate it I'm sure.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 09 June 2020, 22:12:56
What will be the average mech count for the Recognition guides?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 09 June 2020, 22:37:40
Oh, so hey, I missed the list of upcoming Brush War products the first time around.
What's the Battle of Dahlgren? I'm not sure I've heard of it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: heist08 on 09 June 2020, 22:57:57
Yes, but I didn't have exact timeframes for them. There's actually even more fiction pieces not in this list, that I had to omit because they either weren't going to be 3rd quarter or early 4th, or because they're still coming together. But Forgotten Worlds 2 and 3 are definitely happening, and likely both before year's end.

Cool. Thanks, Cubby!

heist08
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 23:12:46
What will be the average mech count for the Recognition guides?
It varies because it’s modular. But on average 7, but may have 6 a few could have 9. You’ll see.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 June 2020, 23:32:02
What's the Battle of Dahlgren? I'm not sure I've heard of it.


Quote from: Mercenary Star, William H. Keith
"That all changed, though," he said. "Ten years ago, there was a major Kurita offensive...."

Grayson nodded. "At Dahlgren, yes." He'd been there himself, though only a boy of ten at the time. That had been the year he'd formally become a Warrior's Apprentice in his father's regiment, Carlyle's Commandos. He could still remember his father's anguish when one of Kurita's Sword of Light regiments had dropped onto the Commandos' rear in the battle of Dahlgren. They'd had to retreat or face annihilation. "The Commonwealth formally ceded a number of border systems when they lost Dahlgren, isn't that so?"

Quote from: Combat Manual: Kurita
Ricol succeeded in his post far beyond the Coordinator's expectations. Using his military connections, he built a personal military force to protect his interests in the district. He used these troops to capture and occupy more than a dozen Lyran Commonwealth worlds in the first quarter of the 31st century. This elevated him greatly in the Coordinator's eyes, such that Ricol was actually recognized as an Archduke and considered the ruler of the worlds he personally conquered in addition to overseeing his district.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 09 June 2020, 23:48:23
A Turning Point that lets the Red Hunter strut his stuff? I'm in!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 10 June 2020, 00:11:19
Seems that it's a Brush War product, not a Turning Point.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pinetree on 10 June 2020, 01:21:43
Looking forward to PODs of the first 2 volumes of Brush Wars, I have the original pdfs but it's nice to get them in print especially since my favourite faction is featured in both.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 10 June 2020, 02:15:20
I think i missed it where can you buy the Shrapnel magazine can it be bought as a PDF?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 10 June 2020, 02:21:24
I think i missed it where can you buy the Shrapnel magazine can it be bought as a PDF?

It's only been distributed to Kickstarter backers (who backed at a level which gave access to it) so far, it'll be available from the usual suspects as an ebook and POD soon.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Foxx Ital on 10 June 2020, 02:22:52
OOO, tro:GC comes out a few days after my birthday!! How did you guys know what I wanted ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 10 June 2020, 02:29:55
And, share your thoughts below--what product(s) are you most excited about?

The TRO Golden Century and Irregular Tech, plus any new Touring the Stars entries.

Lately I find myself... hesitant... about stuff leading into the IlClan era, for reasons I'd prefer not to get into here.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 10 June 2020, 07:59:35
It varies because it’s modular.

So it's an OmniProduct....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 10 June 2020, 08:20:10
This guy gets it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 09:01:06
how to make an omnibook

step 1
(https://s7d1.scene7.com/is/image/Daytimer/M866-49W_1?$mead_ProductHero$)

step 2
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51VUY3n6CZL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 10 June 2020, 09:05:04
how to make an omnibook

(sigh) Here's where someone brings up stuff like these "Wildlife Fact-Files," and suggests we do mail-order, pre-punched pages/record sheets like it's 1987.

(https://i.ibb.co/kBLCT0D/dd4fd19de7defd17424f34f938e13a9a.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 09:08:36
you should do mail-order, pre-punched pages/record sheets like it's 1987.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 10 June 2020, 09:14:57
Quote
Several Brush Wars releases are in the works, including the Burrock Absorption, the Battle of Dahlgren, the St. Ives War, and the First Combine-Ghost Bear War. But up first is…
First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War

This is what I am most looking forward to in the list...very exciting stuff!!!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 10 June 2020, 09:15:13
(sigh) Here's where someone brings up stuff like these "Wildlife Fact-Files," and suggests we do mail-order, pre-punched pages/record sheets like it's 1987.


If it was good enough for TSR....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 10 June 2020, 09:19:05
Yeah, but now it’s DND Beyond.  xp
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Gaiiten on 10 June 2020, 10:20:34
*some dark clouds approaching*

You told us for ILCLAN for 4th quarter and beyond.
Please, try to publish it this year.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 10 June 2020, 10:22:55
(sigh) Here's where someone brings up stuff like these "Wildlife Fact-Files," and suggests we do mail-order, pre-punched pages/record sheets like it's 1987.

(https://i.ibb.co/kBLCT0D/dd4fd19de7defd17424f34f938e13a9a.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

It's Advanced Squad Leader all over agaiiiiiiin!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 10 June 2020, 10:54:04
For those multi-parters that will eventually get bundled into a single larger PDF.   It would be great if there was some sort way to buy the compendium up front and get all of the individual documents as they release.   I know it's probably not feasible, but it would still be nice.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 11:01:33
~7 mechs per RecGuide
22 installments
~154 total

Baseless Speculation™
the PoD will contain 93 units like each of the compilation TROs
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 10 June 2020, 11:07:19
(sigh) Here's where someone brings up stuff like these "Wildlife Fact-Files," and suggests we do mail-order, pre-punched pages/record sheets like it's 1987.

(https://i.ibb.co/kBLCT0D/dd4fd19de7defd17424f34f938e13a9a.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

That’s kind of how I have hard copies of three of the Deadlands books, except I used pre-punched paper sleeves on my printouts from the pdf’s I got from Pinnacle.

And I do still have some AD&D monster/NPC compendium binders.

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kojak on 10 June 2020, 11:27:08
What the ****** is the Battle of Dahlgren? I'm a giant BattleTech history nerd and I've never heard of that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 10 June 2020, 11:32:35
What the ****** is the Battle of Dahlgren? I'm a giant BattleTech history nerd and I've never heard of that.

Unknown... But the only known references to Dahlgren are as a part of the House Ricol ducal holdings.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 10 June 2020, 11:35:43
What the ****** is the Battle of Dahlgren? I'm a giant BattleTech history nerd and I've never heard of that.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69619.msg1619009#msg1619009
Those quotes are the entirety of what's known about it currently?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kojak on 10 June 2020, 11:40:47
Whoops, sorry, hadn't read the previous page yet. Carry on.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kojak on 10 June 2020, 11:46:12
Hey, I know I'm the world's most broken record with this and probably the only person who still gives a shit at this point, but now that TPTB apparently have the ability to produce record sheets again...can we please get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? It's been five years.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 June 2020, 12:01:59
Hey, I know I'm the world's most broken record with this and probably the only person who still gives a shit at this point, but now that TPTB apparently have the ability to produce record sheets again...can we please get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? It's been five years.

 Each installment of this PDF-only series not only includes a brand new BattleMech or OmniMech, but also details Classic ‘Mech designs from both the Inner Sphere and the Clans, now fully rebuilt with Dark Age technology (3085 and beyond). Allowing beloved units redesigned for the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter to be competitive on “modern” battlefields, this series also includes in-universe development notes, battle histories, notable pilots, and record sheets for each ‘Mech.

all new writing. Mostly new stats and record sheets. Much of the art you've seen already by now. If you have any trepidation then wait for the reviews. This is not TRO: CI or SW.

I expect to see the Orion C, Tempest C, Griffin C, Goliath C, Longinus C . . .
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hussar2 on 10 June 2020, 13:10:26
Hey, I know I'm the world's most broken record with this and probably the only person who still gives a shit at this point, but now that TPTB apparently have the ability to produce record sheets again...can we please get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? It's been five years.

Amen brother! (and RS:prototypes unabridged too)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 10 June 2020, 13:11:50
Hey, I know I'm the world's most broken record with this and probably the only person who still gives a shit at this point, but now that TPTB apparently have the ability to produce record sheets again...can we please get the 3150 NTNU record sheets? It's been five years.

Seconded.  Would love these.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 10 June 2020, 13:17:17
Amen brother! (and RS:prototypes unabridged too)

Along so many others, though I suppose I'm getting into dead horse territory...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 10 June 2020, 13:25:33
Griffin C,
???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: assaultdoor on 10 June 2020, 13:44:14
This is fantastic news! Someobdy is going to get Brush Wars: Operation Guerrero for their birthday. Turns out it's me.

Also pumped about Tyrfing, Irregulars, Thermo Police, Hanseatic Crusade, Tukayyid, Snord's Irregulars, ... well, most of it, I guess, but not so pumped that I'll use their full names or italicize them.

So much for all that money I was saving by not ever leaving my house.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 10 June 2020, 13:47:24
So in the information for the new Rec guides it said that Catalyst is working very close with IWM, does this mean that we could expect to see new metal mechs released around the same time as the rec guide?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 10 June 2020, 13:50:49
Here’s hoping.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 10 June 2020, 14:24:05
there any chaos campaign stuff or scenarios in Guerrero? or is it a lorebook with some RATs.

I ask because Shattered Fortress actually had some scenarios in the back, and I want the new trend to continue.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 June 2020, 14:27:26
???

Its real?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 10 June 2020, 14:33:57
Along so many others, though I suppose I'm getting into dead horse territory...

Let me get right there with you.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 10 June 2020, 14:35:47
So in the information for the new Rec guides it said that Catalyst is working very close with IWM, does this mean that we could expect to see new metal mechs released around the same time as the rec guide?

Looks like IWM is getting geared up for metals from the GoAC Box set:

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69743.msg1619043#msg1619043
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 June 2020, 14:38:45
Those were Q1 releases that got 'Rona'd?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 10 June 2020, 14:42:40
Thanks Cubby. All the Blood Spirit fans appreciate it I'm sure.

I am hoping for a break down of all three clans and their size and holdings, we have never seen a proper right up of all three faction pre battle only post but yes also agree with you that I have been waiting since the FM came out.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 10 June 2020, 14:45:28
Those were Q1 releases that got 'Rona'd?

Sorry?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 10 June 2020, 14:46:53
First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War          First Combine-Ghost Bear War

This is what I am most looking forward to in the list...very exciting stuff!!!

Is it to much to hope that they can sneak in the two combine warships that have never been stated out into this we know they exist but have nothing on them.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 14:57:20
Let me get right there with you.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)

it's one of the best-tenderized cuts we have in stock!

i've given up on ever seeing RS: Prototypes Unabridged. it was first on the coming releases page in late 2014. another victim of opportunity cost
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 10 June 2020, 14:58:13
there any chaos campaign stuff or scenarios in Guerrero? or is it a lorebook with some RATs.

I ask because Shattered Fortress actually had some scenarios in the back, and I want the new trend to continue.
Completely different products. Brush Wars is lore with game rules/aids provided so that you can build and run a campaign set in that conflict.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pat Payne on 10 June 2020, 15:09:03
Sorry to be late to the party, but I just saw the announcement.

The ones I'm looking forward to the most are:

Tyrfing -- to see how the five-way battle went down
Spotlight on ThermoPolice -- the name looked cool in CM Mercs, but I literally knew nothing about them otherwise and wanted to
Spotlight on Snord's Irregulars -- Any chance to get more Snord is always a good time
Icons of War -- not much of a Clan fan, but this sounds like a caper-style adventure set in a culture that doesn't tolerate capers very well, so I'm down with Grand Theft Kerensky
Spotlight on Payne's Raiders -- OK, I'll admit, given my name, I was caught by the title :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 10 June 2020, 15:16:23
it's one of the best-tenderized cuts we have in stock!

i've given up on ever seeing RS: Prototypes Unabridged. it was first on the coming releases page in late 2014. another victim of opportunity cost

I'm getting close to giving up on a true Unabridged for 3039, or 3067, or VA, or anything 3057...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 June 2020, 15:20:28
Sorry?

Locust, Griffin, Catapult were Q1 releases that were delayed b/c of the 'Rona rather than IWM making any new moves.  Speck has said there will be a announcement on the 'normal' production schedule for the rest of the year as well as some web-only releases which I assume is in lieu of Origins/GenCon release.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 10 June 2020, 15:31:19
Yeah, but now it’s DND Beyond.  xp
You can't possibly blame TSR for THAT...  :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 10 June 2020, 15:49:05
Locust, Griffin, Catapult were Q1 releases that were delayed b/c of the 'Rona rather than IWM making any new moves.  Speck has said there will be a announcement on the 'normal' production schedule for the rest of the year as well as some web-only releases which I assume is in lieu of Origins/GenCon release.

OK, but it's still IWM of the same mechs we had initially in the GoAC Box set. Part of the agreement we've all heard about between Catalyst and IWM where CGl gets to make them in sets of Plastic, and later IWM gets to produce singly in metal.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 16:03:39
You can't possibly blame TSR for THAT...  :o

(http://puu.sh/FUWgX/209f3909ec.png)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 10 June 2020, 16:05:19
Not TSR's "fault", though...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 16:06:25
no, i just blame Thac0 on a wide variety of the world's ills
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 10 June 2020, 16:08:53
What's scary is that the TW dice mechanic is essentially THAC0 (from which AToW inexplicably departed, to the confusion of many)...  ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 June 2020, 16:26:52
Unless the Tomb of Horrors is going to be the theme of next years April Fools pdf, lets move on.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 10 June 2020, 17:16:26
I remember reading Tomb of Horrors module and thinking, "how is this fun?"

Now I'm sitting here thinking, what is the BattleTech equivalent?  A couple scenarios come to mind, mostly Clan forces fighting IS forces without Zelbrigen.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 17:17:39
ishiyama
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 10 June 2020, 17:22:44
ishiyama

Refresh my recollection:  isn't Ishiyama on Solaris?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 17:23:09
it's the wretched cave map
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 10 June 2020, 17:26:46
Its real?
Where was the Griffin C mentioned?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 10 June 2020, 17:51:33
Quote
ThermoPolice

NGL, I totally thought I'd misread and this was going to be TTS:Thermopolis when I first read the announcement.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 June 2020, 18:04:10
I remember reading Tomb of Horrors module and thinking, "how is this fun?"

Now I'm sitting here thinking, what is the BattleTech equivalent? ...

Necromo Nightmare

"Notes to GM: If any player character survives this it's because you allowed them to cheat."
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 10 June 2020, 18:50:34
Unless the Tomb of Horrors is going to be the theme of next years April Fools pdf, lets move on.

I bet you could get a lot of support desire for this!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 10 June 2020, 19:17:18
Where was the Griffin C mentioned?

Divided We Fall, same as the Goliath C I mentioned . . .

So . . . folks who wanted quads . . . I wonder if one of those RG releases will be a quad book?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 10 June 2020, 19:34:56
Nobody mentioned my Spotlight On: [name to be revealed later] as their “most looking forward to”. :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 10 June 2020, 19:50:10
So . . . folks who wanted quads . . . I wonder if one of those RG releases will be a quad book?
You a leg man?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 10 June 2020, 20:01:39
You a leg man?

Scorpion?

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 10 June 2020, 20:03:05
You a leg man?
Where have you been hiding that Scorpion?  ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 10 June 2020, 20:04:38
Nobody mentioned my Spotlight On: [name to be revealed later] as their “most looking forward to”. :)

The Spotlight Who Must Not Be Named, otherwise known as You Know What or The Dark Product, is an evil volume bent on taking over the product line through nefarious use of magic and wizardr--wait, wrong franchise.

You a leg man?

Hubba hubba
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 10 June 2020, 20:05:22
Where have you been hiding that Scorpion?  ^-^

I can just see it now: the introduction of the Scorpion IIC, aka the Imperial Scorpion, totem ‘Mech of the Scorpion Empire!

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: YingJanshi on 10 June 2020, 20:06:10
So...any chance we can get a bit of info on what that MechCommander book is supposed to be about?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 10 June 2020, 20:09:16
I can just see it now: the introduction of the Scorpion IIC, aka the Imperial Scorpion, totem ‘Mech of the Scorpion Empire!

Ruger
I was thinking under a rock, but that is far more interesting.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 10 June 2020, 20:10:22
So...any chance we can get a bit of info on what that MechCommander book is supposed to be about?
nah not yet. And to be honest teasing that name and causing people to keep asking is the outcome I was looking for, it’s meant to beat me over the head to get project that up and running again.  :thumbsup:

More info in the coming months.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 June 2020, 20:19:26
You a leg man?

Hubba hubba

Quad fans be like
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/400x/53060927/are-you-trying-to-seduce-me-because-thats-how-you-seduce-me.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 10 June 2020, 20:20:50
it's getting awfully NaughtyTech: The Game of Canopian... Activities in here
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Luciora on 10 June 2020, 20:39:53
GET IT OVER HERE!

You a leg man?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 10 June 2020, 20:47:26
Scorpion sighted?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 10 June 2020, 20:56:30
You a leg man?

This needs music: https://youtu.be/FGretcGCFRM (https://youtu.be/FGretcGCFRM)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 10 June 2020, 20:58:27
I can just see it now: the introduction of the Scorpion IIC, aka the Imperial Scorpion, totem ‘Mech of the Scorpion Empire!

Ruger

Fire Scorpion gets no love!  :-[
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 10 June 2020, 20:59:24
Fire Scorpion gets no love!  :-[

No Clan 'Mech that uses single heat sinks deserves love.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 10 June 2020, 20:59:54
No Clan 'Mech that uses single heat sinks deserves love.

 :stupid:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 10 June 2020, 21:00:19
No Clan 'Mech that uses single heat sinks deserves love.

... the burn ... ... ah the pun!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 June 2020, 21:00:35
Scorpion sighted?

It could still be a Guard quad security mech.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 10 June 2020, 21:10:17
It could still be a Guard quad security mech.
Hush, don't be starting such rumors.  :screw_loose:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 10 June 2020, 21:27:59
Hush, don't be starting such rumors.  :screw_loose:

But I'm tiered of trying to be the voice of reason no one listen to.

Besides, who doesn't want to finally see the Totally-not-a-Tachikoma industrial mech! ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: BairdEC on 10 June 2020, 21:52:09
But I'm tiered of trying to be the voice of reason no one listen to.

Besides, who doesn't want to finally see the Totally-not-a-Tachikoma industrial mech! ;)

The CGL lawyers?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 10 June 2020, 23:00:44
Necromo Nightmare

"Notes to GM: If any player character survives this it's because you allowed them to cheat."

Close! I had to double-check that, but yeah, Necromo Nightmare does consider it cheating to survive the adventure:

"In the final analysis, there are three main ways this adventure can
end: mission abortion (failure without investigation), failure to
launch (stranded on Necromo), or mission success (really? they
must have cheated)."

That was a fun one!

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelShrike on 11 June 2020, 01:28:14
Sorry if it's already been brought up, I tried doing a quick search though and didn't see anything about it.

I couldn't help but notice MechWarrior Destiny wasn't mentioned at all in the upcoming releases and State of BattleTech news post. Is there any info on the status of it currently?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 11 June 2020, 02:41:08
You a leg man?
Looks like a Scorpion leg
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 11 June 2020, 06:00:16
Now I'm sitting here thinking, what is the BattleTech equivalent? 

The Fortress scenarios from McCarron's Armoured Cavalry
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 11 June 2020, 07:20:07
Sorry if it's already been brought up, I tried doing a quick search though and didn't see anything about it.

I couldn't help but notice MechWarrior Destiny wasn't mentioned at all in the upcoming releases and State of BattleTech news post. Is there any info on the status of it currently?

On FB it was mentioned that it’s so close to release they thought it would be released before the announcement. That why it wasn’t listed in it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 11 June 2020, 08:13:22
On FB it was mentioned that it’s so close to release they thought it would be released before the announcement. That why it wasn’t listed in it.

Tomorrow.

I admit, I got a little lazy, and wanted to save myself adding it to Coming Releases just to take it right back off.

(But, TP Tyrfing is tomorrow too?)

I know, I know. The maddening inconsistencies of life.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 11 June 2020, 10:22:57
Wow, so Tyrfing and Destiny come out tomorrow?

Question:  what if you purchased destiny as part of Wave 1?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 11 June 2020, 10:30:38
We're probably not going to see it for a while?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 11 June 2020, 11:13:08
i'm assuming the postage you paid last summer means you'll get it all in one package
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 11 June 2020, 11:22:09
I’m assuming it’s just the PDF that will be available tommorrow.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 11 June 2020, 11:23:10
any word on if there were any significant changes in the final draft stemming from the feedback process?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 11 June 2020, 11:27:30
I’m assuming it’s just the PDF that will be available tommorrow.

Nope, print too.

Like with the release of the TO books, I can't answer what this means for KS backers. Best bet to is to use the usual KS platforms to ask.

any word on if there were any significant changes in the final draft stemming from the feedback process?

I wasn't close enough to that process to answer that question, possibly Ray or definitely JoeChummer would know better.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 11 June 2020, 11:53:51
So if you don't roleplay, does Mechwarrior Destiny have any juicy bits that might be fun to read?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 11 June 2020, 12:02:09
not really. it's pretty tightly wrapped around the game system. the fluff stuff isn't anything new.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Nerroth on 11 June 2020, 12:46:40
Of the products announced in the "State of the Game" update, I'm most interested in those revolving around the Imperio and Hansa.

That said, I can't help but feel a little apprehensive. I'd argue that a more in-depth look at the Hanseatic League has been long overdue; I found it particularly unfortunate that the Interstellar Expeditions sourcebook, which otherwise did so much to bring the Deep Periphery to life, had seen fit to skip it more or less entirely. At this point, I hope that the new material set in 3140 will go some way towards addressing this, and isn't too heavily skewed towards the Scorpion side of the conflict.

Actually, I do wonder if these files will address whether the effects of the Blackout stretched as far as Nueva Castile. If so, that would be a problem for any HPGs the Scorpions might have established in the region prior to Gray Monday - or, for that matter, could have scuppered any plans to extend such a network towards, and then into, occupied Hanseatic systems.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 11 June 2020, 12:49:16
Maybe a JumpShip or two escaping the conflict was source of the info.  Given state chaos Inner Sphere is in as of 3132, a JumpShip from Deep Periphery would not make big splash in the news if no HPGs are around to spread it. (Only thing at the moment i can think because the Operation Points wasn't written yet, Dark Age's fluff is now like couple decades old now. It's sort of a Amendment to Inner Sphere history "Meanwhile in the Deep Periphery...little bit of news arrives..)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Nerroth on 11 June 2020, 13:08:05
I suppose it would be neat if the "in-universe writeup" was presented by Interstellar Expeditions, as a follow-up of sorts to ISP3.

But that might have to address whether or not the kind of "shoot-on-sight" patrols being carried out across the coreward Deep Periphery in the immediate post-Reaving era remained ongoing, or if IE's experiences in that time period had left enough of an impression to keep them from going back there either way.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 11 June 2020, 13:37:13
At this point, I hope that the new material set in 3140 will go some way towards addressing this, and isn't too heavily skewed towards the Scorpion side of the conflict.

FWIW, the supplementary products are equally divided between the two sides, I believe.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 11 June 2020, 16:53:25
any word on if there were any significant changes in the final draft stemming from the feedback process?
barring subjective definitions of significant, I would say yes.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 11 June 2020, 17:00:09
One would hope so!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 11 June 2020, 17:12:11
barring subjective definitions of significant, I would say yes.

every letter e has been replaced with ë
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 11 June 2020, 23:05:17
Adding umlauts to the vowels forces you to pronounce the words like the Swedish Chef so I fail to see the downside
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 12 June 2020, 06:55:29
I be scared of what sort "draft" would be written. "ilClan, take FedSuns in comical actions of Trial of possession through stamp collecting." etc.

ilClan "ha ha! I've stamped you out!"

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 12 June 2020, 07:32:50
I be scared of what sort "draft" would be written. "ilClan, take FedSuns in comical actions of Trial of Position through stamp collecting." etc.

ilClan "ha ha! I've stamped you out!"

Battletech devolves into a game of Trivial Pursuit -- anyone remember "Spies Like Us"
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 12 June 2020, 07:34:03
Does anyone NOT remember Spies Like Us?!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 12 June 2020, 07:59:10
Does anyone NOT remember Spies Like Us?!

I hope no kids show up and say "What's that?" ... if they do I'll get my shovel out and start preparing a "dug-in position" for them  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 12 June 2020, 08:02:54
Meh, I liked it as a kid but the Family Guy parody ruined for me. We get it Seth, you miss the 80s.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 12 June 2020, 08:24:02
Meh, I liked it as a kid but the Family Guy parody ruined for me. We get it Seth, you miss the 80s.

I have trouble watching Family Guy, to over the top/raunchy/etc at times for me.  Plus, I lost control of a lot of tv time b/c of family.  Have not seen 'Spies' in a long time, not quite sure it would still hold up.

I know there is a lot of pop culture that makes it into BT lore, wish I had the time to keep up on it all.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 08:44:23
Far fewer than there used to be
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 12 June 2020, 08:48:52
If all goes well Turning Points: Tyrfing comes out today and next Friday is RGi v1. Right?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 08:50:31
yes. Destiny also drops today
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 12 June 2020, 10:22:34
Tyrfing is cool, and I'll pick it up when it comes out.  My level of curiosity is through the roof for RGi volume 1 next Friday because it will answer so many questions about format, number of mechs we can expect per guide, etc.

Really pumped for next Friday.

Nevertheless, Happy (this) Friday to the boards!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 12 June 2020, 13:25:11
Didn't they say we were getting a release today? I can only refresh my screen so many times while at work!  :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: AnejoDave on 12 June 2020, 13:29:41
nah not yet. And to be honest teasing that name and causing people to keep asking is the outcome I was looking for, it’s meant to beat me over the head to get project that up and running again.  :thumbsup:

More info in the coming months.

Well, as long as you're consenting to that abuse on yourself....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 12 June 2020, 13:48:03
Didn't they say we were getting a release today? I can only refresh my screen so many times while at work!  :D


It's available for purchase now!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: BoyOfSummer on 12 June 2020, 13:58:45
My level of curiosity is through the roof for RGi volume 1 next Friday because it will answer so many questions about format, number of mechs we can expect per guide...

The number of mechs per guide is known: six to nine, with the average being seven.

I think it was Ray who disclosed this.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 12 June 2020, 14:02:43
I can live with an average of 7!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 12 June 2020, 14:04:15

It's available for purchase now!

Yup, I can confirm Destiny and OTP: Tyrfing are up on CGL store page.  Not up on DrivethruRPG yet.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 14:14:30
it's not an insignificant addition to the post-jihad arsenals. ~140-150 new items, 22 of which will be brand new machines entirely for 3084 and beyond.

tyrfing is good fun. you need five players i think to really get the most out of the full-scale chaos and skulduggery. the rule for random alliances that is rolled as you start a track could completely turn things upside down

destiny will have to wait a week. i also need a copy of tro jihad and i'd rather combine the shipping.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 12 June 2020, 14:25:54
it's not an insignificant addition to the post-jihad arsenals. ~140-150 new items, 22 of which will be brand new machines entirely for 3084 and beyond.

Those 22 new machines--are these new variants of the classic art?  For Example:  perhaps a new Crusader?  Just curious to tease out what you mean by this!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 12 June 2020, 14:30:21
The implication is that the 22 are brand-new mechs, and all the others are new variants of existing chasses.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 14:30:37
the bulk will be like that - eg the nuseen crusader with updated tech. Because of the lawsuit back in the day few unseen have many post-3050s variants. Also as weirdo said, 22 brand new things - the dominator from divided we fall gets a write up and RS for example
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 12 June 2020, 15:26:12
Spotlight on Payne's Raiders

Are these Ezra Payne's unit ex of the Stealthy Tigers?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 12 June 2020, 15:32:27
Are these Ezra Payne's unit ex of the Stealthy Tigers?
yyyyuuuuuuu-wait that would be telling.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 12 June 2020, 15:34:35
Are these Ezra Payne's unit ex of the Stealthy Tigers?

Its a guess I put forth . . . but it COULD be some other Payne- like some Mandrill refugee in the IS who started a merc company after his monkey butt dumped the Falcons.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 12 June 2020, 15:59:24
Nobody mentioned my Spotlight On: [name to be revealed later] as their “most looking forward to”. :)

Assuming its the Stealths me!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 12 June 2020, 16:18:03
Is MECHWARRIOR DESTINY a PoD title, or is it Hardback?

I see on RPG drivethrough, but as PDF only, and the one on the Catalyst Store does not specify if softback or hardback.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 16:20:07
it's not PoD or it would be on drivethru.

i don't ever recall the firmness of the cover material being discussed but like all KS information, it could have been tucked into any number of comment replies, update videos, or offhand comments
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 12 June 2020, 16:25:35
Is MECHWARRIOR DESTINY a PoD title, or is it Hardback?

I see on RPG drivethrough, but as PDF only, and the one on the Catalyst Store does not specify if softback or hardback.

Thank You.

I feel like that was a kickstarter option:  something like a hardbound copy of Mechwarrior: Destiny.  I'd look at CrowdOx but I'm still at work.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 12 June 2020, 16:26:41
it's not PoD or it would be on drivethru.

i don't ever recall the firmness of the cover material being discussed but like all KS information, it could have been tucked into any number of comment replies, update videos, or offhand comments

Well it IS on Drivethru ;)

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/317268/MechWarrior-Destiny?cPath=4328_4541

But one of the things Drivethru does that 'drives' me crazy is list the prices as follows:  $14.99 $39.99

That is so annoying, as it makes it appear there are other options.


But, I'm really hoping for a definitive answer from the PtB, as while I really want some of the new stuff, the CGL store shipping to canada, means NO :(
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 12 June 2020, 17:05:10
Destiny is not currently a PoD, it is being released through normal channels. It's available now from the Catalyst store and your FLGS should be able to order it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 12 June 2020, 17:42:30
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-lostech-faction-dice-mercenary-w-diameter-case

HIGHLANDER DICE?!?

Why did no one tell me?!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 17:58:35
i've still got ac/20 sized holes in my wallet from the house and clan dice  xp
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 12 June 2020, 17:58:50
No new variants in tyrfing. That no longer a thing going forward?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 12 June 2020, 18:00:52
Why is the assumption that it's a permanent thing, as opposed to unique to the Tyrfing product?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 12 June 2020, 18:18:07
Why is the assumption that it's a permanent thing, as opposed to unique to the Tyrfing product?

I'm not assuming, it could be either way. From the outside, it appears there has been a shakeup in the way CGL catagorizes products, so I could see no new variants being standard going forward. Or not.

Just want to know, and there are devs occasionally answering questions here.



Neonknight, you were playing with crystal terrain a while back? Were you a playtester, or is this a pleasant surprise that you have prebuilt terrain?

I'm not sure this is a product I'd use; my group is pretty casual and this is another layer of rules to keep track of. Most won't want to bother. It's cool though, I wish I could run it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 12 June 2020, 19:36:51
Is MECHWARRIOR DESTINY a PoD title, or is it Hardback?

The print version of Destiny, available through the CGL Store or your local retailer (not DTRPG), is a hardback book.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 12 June 2020, 19:42:48
The print version of Destiny, available through the CGL Store or your local retailer (not DTRPG), is a hardback book.

thank You Cubby

And
Destiny is not currently a PoD, it is being released through normal channels. It's available now from the Catalyst store and your FLGS should be able to order it.

And you Too.

Guess I needs to wait.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 12 June 2020, 19:51:41
LOTS to announce today.

Now Available – Foil Puzzle and Posters (Pre-order), MechWarrior: Destiny, Turning Points, Tyrfing, Core Book Reprints


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BattleTech Foil Puzzles and Posters (Pre-order)
Price: $149.99

Available for pre-order now - the first-ever BattleTech jigsaw puzzles, with foil poster set included!

Also, get into the game and seize your destiny with MechWarrior: Destiny, the new BattleTech roleplaying game based on the Cue system! Also available today is Turning Points: Tyrfing, revisiting a wild five-way battle during the First Succession War. Need some dice to play out these games? Check out the new series of mercenary dice pucks, also on sale today!

ASSEMBLE YOUR FORCES! Pre-order from our first-ever series of jigsaw puzzles for BattleTech, printed right here in the USA! Five different images, done in high-quality foil and cut to a 500-standard piece puzzle. Each assembled puzzle is 18″ x 24″ and suitable for framing when complete. These puzzles are all limited to foiled print runs of 1000. Once they are gone, that’s it. These are a “while supplies last” offer. If they appear again, they will be in standard paper, not foiled. (Expected ship date is 7/1/20.)

Who says you can’t socially distance AND enjoy BattleTech?

THE ART OF WAR! If you Pre-order this set of five jigsaw puzzles before June 22, your order will include five fully-foiled posters. The set comes rolled in a tube, ready for framing! Each poster is 18″ x 24″ and shows off the same art being used in the puzzle collection! Made in the USA. Expected ship date is 7/1/20.

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MechWarrior: Destiny
Price: $39.99 Print+PDF | $14.99 PDF

The year is 3025. War rages across the vast interstellar empires of the Inner Sphere as the militaries of the Successor States vie for dominance across more than a thousand light years of inhabited worlds. And the king among these battlefields: towering BattleMechs and the MechWarriors who pilot them. But behind each battle lie a thousand unseen strings: Machiavellian court intrigues, shadowy wars of intelligence and counterintelligence, secret organizations, corporate greed, and more.

Will you align yourself with the honor-bound samurai culture of House Kurita, become a crusader for freedom in the service of House Davion, or test your mettle as a House Steiner champion in the arena duels of Solaris VII? Or perhaps you will rain down fire from the skies in a House Marik aerospace fighter, or operate in the shadows as a House Liao intelligence agent. Will you pursue a life of service behind the veil of the secretive ComStar, join an elite mercenary outfit like Wolf’s Dragoons, or even choose to lead your own lawless band of pirates? The path you lead through the 31st century, and the legacy you leave behind, is all up to you.

MechWarrior: Destiny is a new way to dive into the action-packed BattleTech universe. Based on the easy-to-learn Cue System, MechWarrior: Destiny is a narrative-focused role-playing experience that has all you need to grab some equipment, load your sidearm, and strap into a ’Mech, aerospace fighter, or tank to fight for what you believe in, be it honor, glory, or even the almighty C-Bill. Loads of characters, ’Mechs, and other military hardware make it easy to start trading fire on 31st-century battlefields in no time. MechWarrior: Destiny also includes rules for incorporating play in BattleTech’s Total Warfare and Alpha Strike games.

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Turning Points: Tyrfing
Price: $5.99 PDF

Rumors of valuable Star League hardware left over from the war against Stefan the Usurper bring treasure hunters to the Free Worlds League world of Tyrfing in the midst of the First Succession War. These trespassers hailed from the Capellan Confederation and Lyran Commonwealth. The Free Worlders sent reinforcements, only for the rumors to spread to the other Successor States. Soon, forces from the Federated Suns and Draconis Combine joined those already on Tyrfing. The Five-Way War for the fabled treasure of Tyrfing had begun!

Turning Points: Tyrfing uses Chaos Campaign rules to give players the option of fighting individual battles or following a campaign arc, and even includes special rules for randomizing allies and enemies and battling within the unique terrain of the Great Crystal Valley. Included are a detailed map of the world of Tyrfing, full details of the forces involved in the Trial, and scenario tracks recreating the battles on Tyrfing. The only limits are the players’ imaginations!

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Mercenary Logo Dice Sets

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Core Book Reprints

We’re pleased to announce that reprints of Total Warfare, TechManual, BattleMech Manual, and Alpha Strike: Commander’s Edition are once again available in the CGL store or through your local game store and distributor.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 12 June 2020, 19:53:04
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-lostech-faction-dice-mercenary-w-diameter-case

HIGHLANDER DICE?!?

Why did no one tell me?!

All I could do to get everything posted today. If anyone has questions, they'll have to wait until tomorrow, I'm fried.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 12 June 2020, 20:00:33
Live footage of my bank account

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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 12 June 2020, 20:24:10
Those Eridani dice... holy wow, guys.

Really wish the puzzles weren’t so pricey. May have to keep my fingers crossed that they come back in non-foil.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Reldn on 12 June 2020, 20:25:10
Had to do it, I was all set to nab those 21st Centauri Lancers dice, but, those puzzles were just too good for me to pass up. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 12 June 2020, 21:04:16
My kid can start putting puzzles together with me in 3 years . . . he already likes messing with the minis on my desk and he has a roving MWDA mech around the house somewhere.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 12 June 2020, 21:09:25
My kid can start putting puzzles together with me in 3 years . . . he already likes messing with the minis on my desk and he has a roving MWDA mech around the house somewhere.

Do you have to go on mad quests to find out where he left it before he goes to bed? My daughter does things like that, she can't seem to remember where it was left (currently a clone trooper action figure "bad guy trooper") ... some days she acquiesces and says we can look for it in the morning.

She has not yet raided my BT/MWDA collection, but they won't be safe for to much longer.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 12 June 2020, 21:14:59
It is a bit more complicated than that . . . he has taken 2 MWDA mechs off my desk- he knows he cannot mess with the IWM off the desk.  He 'knows' some are 'damaged' because they are missing their arms/torso/etc.  But if the gate was not up he took one and then another that he gets to mess with off the desk during the day.  I have found them on window sills, table beside my recliner, coffe table, fire place bricks, on his high chair, his play table with Hot Wheels, and bathroom sink.

The puzzles will definitely go up for a few years, but he likes the posters I already have- or made, like one from the CM Mercs cover- and my order for them is in.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 12 June 2020, 21:20:05
They keep growing and getting longer arms ... and they know the really good stuff are the ones you said "No, here have this one" to.

I need to see if I can't put the pdf of the activity book on a flash drive (who the frack calls them thumb drives?) and take it to staples.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dak on 12 June 2020, 22:37:50
I need to see if I can't put the pdf of the activity book on a flash drive (who the frack calls them thumb drives?) and take it to staples.

The Activity Book is also available in Print On Demand now in case you missed that release.

Dak
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 12 June 2020, 22:40:13
Did not even see that option, lol.

How much is PoD vs printing out certain pages en masse (at a copy center vs my poor home printer) for home?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 12 June 2020, 23:24:32
The Activity Book is also available in Print On Demand now in case you missed that release.

Dak

I've  been printing mechs to color on demand for my girls since the PDF came out  :thumbsup:

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 12 June 2020, 23:48:55
Did not even see that option, lol.

How much is PoD vs printing out certain pages en masse (at a copy center vs my poor home printer) for home?

The PoD book is $9.99 plus S&H

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/307657 (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/307657)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 13 June 2020, 05:48:57
LOTS to announce today.

Now Available – Foil Puzzle and Posters (Pre-order), MechWarrior: Destiny, Turning Points, Tyrfing, Core Book Reprints


(https://i.ibb.co/k19zn58/All-Five-Jigsaw-Puzzles-box-render-5-14a.png) (https://ibb.co/m8Xdsbq) (https://i.ibb.co/YLhXg3r/All-Five-Jigsaw-Puzzles-POSTERS-5-13a.png)

BattleTech Foil Puzzles and Posters (Pre-order)
Price: $149.99

Available for pre-order now - the first-ever BattleTech jigsaw puzzles, with foil poster set included!

ASSEMBLE YOUR FORCES! Pre-order from our first-ever series of jigsaw puzzles for BattleTech, printed right here in the USA! Five different images, done in high-quality foil and cut to a 500-standard piece puzzle. Each assembled puzzle is 18″ x 24″ and suitable for framing when complete. These puzzles are all limited to foiled print runs of 1000. Once they are gone, that’s it. These are a “while supplies last” offer. If they appear again, they will be in standard paper, not foiled. (Expected ship date is 7/1/20.)

Would love to buy them but the shipping rates to Germany are once more ridiculous....72$ for the cheapest option...ouch.

And even worse...If i buy them taxes will be added and of course in Germany those are applied on both the actual product as well as the shipping.....

Yet still its hard to resist buying them
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DEZOAT on 13 June 2020, 06:25:26
 :bang: :bang: :bang: I could not help myself I cave and charge it. This is the biggest order to date with Cat Lab store. I ordered the 3 out 5 dice sets ,The Foil Puzzle set  and the PDF of MechWarrior :Destiny ,Turning Points Tyrfing and the split core book.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PyreLight on 13 June 2020, 07:28:35
Does Catalyst intend to fix  the shipping costs to Europe on their web store? The puzzle and posters bundle costs an insane ~80 dollars to ship to Germany.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 13 June 2020, 08:22:43
ooof!  8 pages since I checked this last.  I did a quick skim, but my apologies if this has been asked before.  When does the new Jade Falcon story take place?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2020, 09:08:44
ooof!  8 pages since I checked this last.  I did a quick skim, but my apologies if this has been asked before.  When does the new Jade Falcon story take place?

Its not been said . . . but it could be Pryde:  The Next Generation.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 13 June 2020, 11:30:37
$150 is pretty steep for a pack of puzzles and posters, even if they're foiled and you're getting a lot of them. I have to wonder if they might not sell better sold individually?

Also, how big are the posters?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 13 June 2020, 11:40:33
$150 is pretty steep for a pack of puzzles and posters, even if they're foiled and you're getting a lot of them. I have to wonder if they might not sell better sold individually?

Also, how big are the posters?

 :o

And just like that, my interest is gone. I was only really after the posters so this is totally not worth it.  Oh well.  Don't really have much wall space for anything bigger than 8x10 at this point anyway.

As a cat owner, puzzles just don't happen in this house.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kojak on 13 June 2020, 11:50:39
Welp, I just bought one of each dice set, because A) I wanted to score them before the collectors scoured them clean, since there are only forty apiece, and B) I am a consumer whore.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 13 June 2020, 13:29:05
My funds are slim sooo i have to wait til next week's release of RG iClan v1.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 13 June 2020, 13:57:40
Payday was yesterday, so I picked up Tyrfing today... thanks for the announcement Cubby!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2020, 14:01:03
My funds are slim sooo i wait til next week's release of RG iClan v1.

Anyone know if we have a price point on these yet
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 13 June 2020, 14:22:14
Just a wild ass guess here. They sound similar in size and content to the XTROs, so probably a similar price?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2020, 14:24:27
That was my general guess... probably $5-6
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 13 June 2020, 15:28:31
Anyone know if we have a price point on these yet
From what they posted it seems to be its more a mech only TRO clan style with recs. So if could be like US 10.00-15.00 maybe with very nice art. TRO:3145 PDFs were that priced similarity in 2013.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 13 June 2020, 15:39:04
yeah, but they're facing the problem of where 'impulse buy of the week' ends, and 'purchase' begins. If it's too high I'll just wait for the compilation; not like I can use the mechs right now with my FLGS having its gaming space shut down.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelShrike on 13 June 2020, 15:46:00
Been reading through the Destiny rulebook. Gotta say, so much better with the layout, and I was happy to see some of the feedback I sent in was also taken. Overall, I'm loving it.

Just one tiny problem. The book says to download blank character sheets from the main site, but I don't see them available anywhere yet. I tried giving feedback over the fact that the book only seems to give the BattleMech template for character sheets but excluded the other available units, but it seems that didn't make the cut. >_>

Any chance the rest of the character sheets will be made available soon?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 13 June 2020, 16:52:52
(https://i.ibb.co/jVYcyCJ/5-Mercs-Lostech-Dice.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9w0FbxZ)

Mercenary Logo Dice Sets

Take command of your tabletop in style with new aluminum dice sets featuring the Gray Death Legion, McCarron’s Armored Cavalry, the 21st Centauri Lancers, the Eridani Light Horse, and the Northwind Highlanders.

Catalyst Game Labs Store: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-lostech-faction-dice-mercenary-w-diameter-case (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-lostech-faction-dice-mercenary-w-diameter-case)

Will these be available in the UK? Also that Warhammer looks the business.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 13 June 2020, 17:30:04
Nope. It's webstore only, VERY limited quantities, and unknown if there will be a second run.

Some might be available at cons, but I don't know how many cons in the UK have a CGL presence.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 13 June 2020, 18:42:14
Interesting to me that there are no Wolf's Dragoons dice there. Very Interesting...

*Proceeds to read too much into this*
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2020, 18:57:03
Dragoon’s were in the last run with houses and clans
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 June 2020, 19:41:14
Dragoon’s were in the last run with houses and clans

The dice offered are not the same sorts as the KS dice.  The puck type is only a year or two old IIRC.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2020, 19:59:43
also they're metal

behold
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1540/0075/products/M3VQ672A_720x.jpeg?v=1555362848p)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 13 June 2020, 20:51:28
The dice offered are not the same sorts as the KS dice.  The puck type is only a year or two old IIRC.

I know I picked up a smoke jaguar puck at gencon last year; first day, before noon, and it was the last one left

Get these while they last. I'm betting they're gone by monday.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2020, 21:34:57
unsure what the stocks were for the first round (obviously bigger). those lasted a few months. these will be a much quicker deal. definitely within seven days
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2020, 21:52:31
Does Catalyst intend to fix  the shipping costs to Europe on their web store? The puzzle and posters bundle costs an insane ~80 dollars to ship to Germany.
I've been prodding on this. What I've looked into on my own, is that the shipping isn't wrong, just that the more economical internaitonal shipping methods aren't offered. Trying to get an answer on why, but as we don't actually do fulfilment, we may simply not have an option. l'll post something when I receive and answer. And should anything change (not suggestion it can/will), you can believe we'll shout it from the rooftops.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2020, 21:56:33
Just a wild ass guess here. They sound similar in size and content to the XTROs, so probably a similar price?
That was my general guess... probably $5-6
From what they posted it seems to be its more a mech only TRO clan style with recs. So if could be like US 10.00-15.00 maybe with very nice art. TRO:3145 PDFs were that priced similarity in 2013.

Hmmm...Cubby, please go ahead and raise the price on these. I guess everyone was right when they said I was nuts to price these at $3.99.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 June 2020, 21:58:24
you madman
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Eisenwolf on 13 June 2020, 22:27:54
Since the RGs seem to be shorter than the XTROs I would say the price of 3.99 is
just right for the amount of material within. Front the announcement they seem to be half as big as the XTROs.
If they were priced much higher I would pass them by and simply await the compilation.

In Turning Points : Tyrfing the lyran commander has a personalized 'Mech but there is no record sheet attached. So where is the point in that?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 13 June 2020, 22:34:28
In Turning Points : Tyrfing the lyran commander has a personalized 'Mech but there is no record sheet attached. So where is the point in that?
There shouldn't be a personalized 'Mech. From what I see the only indication of that is the 'Mechs name is included, giving an indication that it's customized. But I think the author just wanted to make sure to get that cool tidbit in there and didn't have the space to contextually work in as sentence about it in the text. Let me know if you see any other indication—I could be wrong but I'm almost sure this is the case.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 13 June 2020, 22:35:50
That's not a personalized 'Mech. That's just the 'Mech's name, not a custom variant.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 14 June 2020, 04:39:02
Agreed... the entry lists it specifically as a TDR-5S.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Eisenwolf on 14 June 2020, 04:48:43
Ok, point taken. Makes sense.  ::)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 14 June 2020, 04:50:21
I've been prodding on this. What I've looked into on my own, is that the shipping isn't wrong, just that the more economical internaitonal shipping methods aren't offered. Trying to get an answer on why, but as we don't actually do fulfilment, we may simply not have an option. l'll post something when I receive and answer. And should anything change (not suggestion it can/will), you can believe we'll shout it from the rooftops.

Thank you. Highly appreciated, although I already caved in  :-\
Too good of having 5 years worth of birthday presents for my newborn
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 14 June 2020, 05:36:09
Will the puzzles be offered for general distribution or are they exclusive to the Catalyst Store?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Two Guns Blazing on 14 June 2020, 05:44:18
I've been prodding on this. What I've looked into on my own, is that the shipping isn't wrong, just that the more economical internaitonal shipping methods aren't offered. Trying to get an answer on why, but as we don't actually do fulfilment, we may simply not have an option. l'll post something when I receive and answer. And should anything change (not suggestion it can/will), you can believe we'll shout it from the rooftops.

Some investigation into the shipping costs would be super welcome, thanks mate...for additional reference, below is a link to something I posted a year ago on this subject, the link should take you straight to my post...make sure you have a cushion on the table under your chin...

Spoiler...same size book posted to me by someone else using FedEx with a 3-5 day shipping time to Australia, including all duties and taxes, was about $32...from you guys about $285 (doesn't mention if duties and taxes are inclusive of that cost).

Certainly, the vast majority of your business comes from within the US, there's no two ways about that, but you are likely losing many (100's per year???) sales of hard cover books from the rest of planet due to the shipping costs, which *may* be an easy fix...

I understand you guys don't personally handle the shipping...is your company losing business and revenue because the company you contract out to do your shipping is screwing you over on shipping costs...if they specialise in freight and shipping, couldn't they do a better deal??? At the least, investigation couldn't hurt, and I thank you for doing it...

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=64318.msg1518744#msg1518744
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 14 June 2020, 05:48:27
Its really too bad there no local Print On Demand that CGL can't partner with in Europe to cutdown these shipping costs. 

Still holding out for RGi 1 next week!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RazorclawXLS on 14 June 2020, 06:02:36
I've been prodding on this. What I've looked into on my own, is that the shipping isn't wrong, just that the more economical internaitonal shipping methods aren't offered. Trying to get an answer on why, but as we don't actually do fulfilment, we may simply not have an option. l'll post something when I receive and answer. And should anything change (not suggestion it can/will), you can believe we'll shout it from the rooftops.

Well, something with international shipping is wrong at the CGL webstore. When ordering AGOAC and Beginner's Box on Miniature market shipping fee of around 38 USD was provided. When I wanted to order AGOAC on CGL webstore I was given a price of 55 USD.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 June 2020, 06:07:47
So it's worth remembering that most CGL products are available via retail and are distributed in Europe by Asmodeé, so if you do have an LGS you can order direct from them, and they're also generally available from various mail order sites across Europe.  While CGL does get a bigger cut of the retail price if you order direct, there are options.

Of course, that doesn't help with CGL store exclusives.

For POD, CGL use DriveThruRPG which has a European hub.  Their shipping isn't great unless you order in bulk, however. That of course only covers the books that CGL choose to offer as POD.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DEZOAT on 14 June 2020, 06:30:17
 WOW!! After reading some of the post I start to wonder if they want you buy from your local Game store but that a problem there to. Not all game store carry Battletech or want to carry Battletech product and sometime it pulling teeth when you want them order Battletech Product for you. Now me I didn't have that problem to much. I wonder if this is Cat Lab way getting you to order from your local shops and that why shipping is high for you in other country   . Well I hope they get this figure out.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 14 June 2020, 07:55:18
So it's worth remembering that most CGL products are available via retail and are distributed in Europe by Asmodeé,

Asmodée is the European distributor?
Interesting
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 June 2020, 08:02:36
Asmodée is the European distributor?
Interesting

They bought out Esvedium a year or two back - they're getting pretty huge, they own Fantasy Flight and a few other companies but keep them running independently.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 14 June 2020, 08:34:44
WOW!! After reading some of the post I start to wonder if they want you buy from your local Game store but that a problem there to. Not all game store carry Battletech or want to carry Battletech product and sometime it pulling teeth when you want them order Battletech Product for you. Now me I didn't have that problem to much. I wonder if this is Cat Lab way getting you to order from your local shops and that why shipping is high for you in other country   . Well I hope they get this figure out.

There's no conspiracy.  They've already said Catalyst doesn't have direct control of it.

I've been prodding on this. What I've looked into on my own, is that the shipping isn't wrong, just that the more economical internaitonal shipping methods aren't offered. Trying to get an answer on why, but as we don't actually do fulfilment, we may simply not have an option. l'll post something when I receive and answer. And should anything change (not suggestion it can/will), you can believe we'll shout it from the rooftops.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 14 June 2020, 11:02:22
While I was reading Mr. Pardoe's blog I found the following

Quote
There’s another prequel coming out that is not on the list.  I think it simply got overlooked.  Shit happens.  More on that as soon as I find out what is happening with it. I’m confident it will come out at the same time as HotW (Hour of the Wolf) or before since it lays some pretty critical foundation for the events of ilClan.

Any words on what is this book?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 June 2020, 11:22:15
pulled the trigger on the dice and puzzle/posters. i can't just not have the other dice and then let there be dice out there i don't have  :))

in related news the new computer fund took an egregious hit today
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 14 June 2020, 11:38:27
While I was reading Mr. Pardoe's blog I found the following

Any words on what is this book?

You are trying to get anything beyond this tiny piece of non-information out of the Devs or Blaine Pardoe? You must be new here :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 14 June 2020, 11:54:28
With two novellas and two full length novels due this month, it's interesting that Barnes & Noble has nothing up for preorder besides issue one of Shrapnel.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 14 June 2020, 15:33:23
Maybe I should have been paying closer attention but the faction dice pucks are already sold out.   :'(
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 14 June 2020, 15:34:31
No surprise there, really.  I don't buy them, but they sure seem to sell like hot cakes every time they come out...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2020, 15:34:57
Hmmm...Cubby, please go ahead and raise the price on these. I guess everyone was right when they said I was nuts to price these at $3.99.

Got it, raising the price to $1000 - $1500.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 14 June 2020, 15:36:09
Best answer yet!  :toofunny:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2020, 15:39:18
Maybe I should have been paying closer attention but the faction dice pucks are already sold out.   :'(

Are you seeing that in the store? I just checked and all five still seemed to be in stock.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 June 2020, 15:42:08
he probably means the house pucks
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 14 June 2020, 16:05:59
I really wish I could go for these but the time periods when I can afford to drop $50 for six dice and the times when they're in stock tend to not overlap.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: dgorsman on 14 June 2020, 16:14:12
I've been prodding on this. What I've looked into on my own, is that the shipping isn't wrong, just that the more economical internaitonal shipping methods aren't offered. Trying to get an answer on why, but as we don't actually do fulfilment, we may simply not have an option. l'll post something when I receive and answer. And should anything change (not suggestion it can/will), you can believe we'll shout it from the rooftops.

Any and all efforts are greatly appreciated, even if they don't pay off.

- another grateful Canuck
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2020, 16:27:11
he probably means the house pucks

Yes, that's what I'm asking about.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 June 2020, 16:43:16
They’re sold out on my end it seems
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 14 June 2020, 17:43:29
As somebody who owns 1st Edition Mechwarrior (these days, in a binder with the cover glued to the front), I would just like to say that I really appreciate the cover art for Mechwarrior: Destiny.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 14 June 2020, 20:43:11
Are you seeing that in the store? I just checked and all five still seemed to be in stock.

All 5 Inner Sphere houses show as sold out right now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 14 June 2020, 20:51:06
All 5 Inner Sphere houses show as sold out right now.

That was the previous run of pucks. The new releases are still there.

Edit - If you're talking about these my setup says they're in stock

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1540/0075/products/House_Davion_box-W_360x.jpg?v=1515673476)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 June 2020, 20:52:13
i'm guessing he wants house davion dice
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 June 2020, 21:45:07
So mechs that will be in the ilClan Recognition Guide besides the Dominator and Thresher II-

Griffin C
Orion C
Shadow Cat III
Jade Phoenix Prime & A- Assaults
Phoenix Hawk 9 series
Warcrow (size unknown)
Battlemaster 8G?- Marik colors?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kerfuffin(925) on 14 June 2020, 21:48:53
So mechs that will be in the ilClan Recognition Guide besides the Dominator and Thresher II-

Griffin C
Orion C
Shadow Cat III
Jade Phoenix Prime & A- Assaults
Phoenix Hawk 9 series
Warcrow (size unknown)
Battlemaster 8G?- Marik colors?

Source?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 June 2020, 22:00:05
Adrian in the MM sub-forum
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 14 June 2020, 22:00:38
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57647.msg1620754#msg1620754 (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57647.msg1620754#msg1620754)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 14 June 2020, 22:10:59
So mechs that will be in the ilClan Recognition Guide besides the Dominator and Thresher II-

Griffin C
Orion C
Shadow Cat III
Jade Phoenix Prime & A- Assaults
Phoenix Hawk 9 series
Warcrow (size unknown)
Battlemaster 8G?- Marik colors?

Haha, pay no attention to the colors on the Battlemaster.  1st Free Worlds Guard is just my favorite. ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 15 June 2020, 04:55:59
love how the war crow's debut is as a crater
;D ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 15 June 2020, 05:31:39
To be fair, it didn't start the game as a crater.

Probably.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 June 2020, 05:39:48
To be fair, it didn't start the game as a crater.

Probably.
Failed Combat Drop?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 15 June 2020, 05:51:30
Failed Combat Drop?

If I were to speculate based on the shape of the crater, I'd suspect it got kicked in the leg and fell over.  Then on the following turn it got shot so hard it stackpoled.

But this is, of course all idle speclation.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Orwell84 on 15 June 2020, 07:42:35
Shrapnel Issue 1 has been released on Kobo. I'm about halfway through and IMHO it is well worth buying if you don't have it already.

A breakdown of contents I've read so far:




Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 15 June 2020, 07:48:40
If I were to speculate based on the shape of the crater, I'd suspect it got kicked in the leg and fell over.  Then on the following turn it got shot so hard it stackpoled.

But this is, of course all idle speclation.

Wait, I was getting mixed up.  That was not the War Crow's fate. 

Probably
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 07:55:31
it would be like if the first public showing of the Tesla 3 was what was left after the garage it was kept in suffered a massive natural gas explosion

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 15 June 2020, 08:49:46
it would be like if the first public showing of the Tesla 3 was what was left after the garage it was kept in suffered a massive natural gas explosion

Imagine how cool the Griffin C is, if you could put alllllll those pieces back together.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 09:09:47
Imagine how cool the Griffin C is, if you could put alllllll those pieces back together.

all the ilkhan's ristars and all the ilkhan's men...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 09:46:02
did a ToC comparison of Destiny. someone more familiar with the beta will have to explain any changes made because what i noticed was largely moving some things around into more logical places. the two visible additions are an example of play and the index.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 15 June 2020, 10:03:44
Wait, I was getting mixed up.  That was not the War Crow's fate. 

Probably

That was the Locust, whose designation is missing from the screenshot ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 10:04:29
-IIC 51
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 15 June 2020, 10:05:30
No
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 15 June 2020, 10:14:14
Had a thought.  Since we are getting the Goliath C:  we'll actually be seeing the new Goliath for the IS as well, right?  I mean historically speaking, the C variants just mount clan weapons on the IS chassis.  So will we also get an IS variant in this recognition guide?  What do you all think?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 15 June 2020, 10:15:40
That was the Locust, whose designation is missing from the screenshot ;)

Yeah, I was getting mixed up between what elements of the screenshot were being discussed in which thread.

I'm kinda sorry about what I did happened to the Locust...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 June 2020, 10:15:48
Had a thought.  Since we are getting the Goliath C:  we'll actually be seeing the new Goliath for the IS as well, right?  I mean historically speaking, the C variants just mount clan weapons on the IS chassis.  So will we also get an IS variant in this recognition guide?  What do you all think?
I think that we don't need an IS variant.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 15 June 2020, 10:21:34
I think that we don't need an IS variant.

Well played sir.  I myself have never used a Goliath since 1988.  Quads don't appeal to me.  The completionist in me wants to see new art for every mech from the original TRO 3025, so its probably just my latent OCD tingling.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2020, 10:26:09
Well played sir.  I myself have never used a Goliath since 1988.  Quads don't appeal to me.  The completionist in me wants to see new art for every mech from the original TRO 3025, so its probably just my latent OCD tingling.

IIRC it was said this would also allow them to bring in some of the new KS art to a TRO-style book.  Since we were shown a Scorpion's leg, my guess would be we will see a regular Goliath with Clan weapons strapped on from where the Wolves took a Goliath factory.  FREX, all we know about the Goliath C is it has a Gauss Rifle and MPL which lets it match up with some of the Invasion era Golaiths as a weapons conversion.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 15 June 2020, 10:34:06
IIRC it was said this would also allow them to bring in some of the new KS art to a TRO-style book.  Since we were shown a Scorpion's leg, my guess would be we will see a regular Goliath with Clan weapons strapped on from where the Wolves took a Goliath factory.  FREX, all we know about the Goliath C is it has a Gauss Rifle and MPL which lets it match up with some of the Invasion era Golaiths as a weapons conversion.

That weapon setup would allow it to continue to use single heat sinks, like some of the earlier 'C' variants.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 10:35:51
the -4s is the only phoenix variant with any kind of GR. the original 3050 -3M has a GR, LRM-10s and MGs (love the 2 full tons of ammo for the mgs on that one).

No

we're not up to 51 yet? i guess that's just marauders and warhammers
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 15 June 2020, 10:38:00

we're not up to 51 yet? i guess that's just marauders and warhammers

I don't think it was a IIc...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 10:39:23
comedy dies in pedantry

also i have used Cunningham's Law to once again extract information. you're welcome.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 15 June 2020, 10:42:11
comedy dies in pedantry

It’s going to be a long week waiting on Friday.. :).
Too early to start refreshing?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 10:44:53
i'm having my treasonous gallbladder (which i have named Dame Humphreys) cut out of me on friday so hopefully i won't be too influenced by narcotics to read.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 June 2020, 10:45:23
That weapon setup would allow it to continue to use single heat sinks, like some of the earlier 'C' variants.
I hope not, as using SHS in the DA era is a bit of a suicide note.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 15 June 2020, 11:11:11
I hope not, as using SHS in the DA era is a bit of a suicide note.
It's only suicide if you are building an energy boat. A dakka mech and it wouldn't be so suicidal.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2020, 11:18:57
the -4s is the only phoenix variant with any kind of GR. the original 3050 -3M has a GR, LRM-10s and MGs (love the 2 full tons of ammo for the mgs on that one).

But its not a Phoenix, its a 3050s upgraded tech variant or the art also works for pre-Clan Goliaths.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 15 June 2020, 11:22:01
It would be great if Goliath C has that quad turret mounted on it. A Marik variant of the Goliath from TRO3080 mentioned a variant with the quad turret with a gauss rifle.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 11:28:59
But its not a Phoenix, its a 3050s upgraded tech variant or the art also works for pre-Clan Goliaths.

So that leaves one option. You suggested there were multiple. Am I missing some?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2020, 11:30:09
So . . .

Jade Phoenix Prime has a HAG/30 at least

AND . . .

The WarCrow A (means Omni) has Ferro-Lam and at least a medium.  For weapons it has a ERLL, a ERSL, a ERML and a HAG/30 . . . and the ERSL was fired when out of range which makes me wonder about TSM.


For the Goliath C, just like the Griffin C, the question is where did the Crusader Wolves capture a factory- or are they refitting a large stock of captured machines.  The Classics are not replacing Phoenix art IIRC, so that means it will be anything before the reseen entered production.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 11:35:22
Stewart seems like the most likely candidate if they plan to use it as the debut for the scroggins art
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 June 2020, 11:40:11
It's only suicide if you are building an energy boat. A dakka mech and it wouldn't be so suicidal.
With so many plasma weapons it just becomes just too easy to shutdown.
But it likely has DHS just like the Orion C. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 11:42:43
Seems like some odd bean counting to not at least go with the 10 free in engine dhs unless it has a weapon load that generates eight heat or less.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 15 June 2020, 11:51:00
It's only suicide if you are building an energy boat. A dakka mech and it wouldn't be so suicidal.

Infernos makes anything with singles a death sentence after 3050ish, Plasma does it after 3067, unless you have more than 15 at which point not having doubles is incredibly bad.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 11:55:20
Just a heads up the cgl Georgia warehouse is now officially on pokey status. No sign my copies of tacops ordered the 5th have shipped. Maybe they can just throw the merc dice in the box while they’re at it   :))
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 15 June 2020, 11:56:17
As for SHS on a Goliath:  If you went GR, 3 MPL, and put all saved weight into SHS, you'd have enough to be heat neutral with some to spare. 

If clans are being 'economical' then they'd use SHS, because these machines are for PGC types and solahma warriors.

If the clans were smart, of course they'd go with the doubles to give room for error and some degree of safety with infernos and the like.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 15 June 2020, 12:02:32
Betting it's the Goliath line on Oliver that gets converted.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 12:08:06
That’s possible too though when I brought that one up in the wolf thread someone pointed out that it’s been a minute since brigadier had built the -1H there. I suppose the tech caste could work their clan magic on the equipment and get it going again
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 June 2020, 12:31:44
Betting it's the Goliath line on Oliver that gets converted.

We could have also captured a large stash of the HGR Goliaths.  I know I would like the Griffin 6S being the basis for the Griffin C.


Infernos makes anything with singles a death sentence after 3050ish, Plasma does it after 3067, unless you have more than 15 at which point not having doubles is incredibly bad.

I still like the Centurion 10-B for late Invasion, FCCW & Jihad . . . by the fluff we as players are more likely to take infernos than they do in BTU.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 15 June 2020, 12:43:27
According to Shattered Fortress, Oliver's neighboring planets fell in October-ish of 3150. Marotta's mission left for the Dragoons in November, with a Goliath already onboard.

Unless the Wolves are able to completely reconstruct a line that hasn't been around for centuries - and modify the schematics of the design once built there to accept the new Clan tech - within a month, Stewart makes a lot more sense.

Stewart has built the unseen Goliath before, they can do it again.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 13:30:07
I agree with colt that it doesn’t have to be the unseen Goliath. I just want it to be
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 15 June 2020, 13:33:23
I agree with colt that it doesn’t have to be the unseen Goliath. I just want it to be

100% agree.  My big interest in the RGi series is seeing more of the new "Scrogginized" art for the mechs from the original TRO 3025.  The Goliath and Scorpion would be two of those.  Also excited for the Ostsol and Ostroc.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 June 2020, 15:31:11
Good news for Canadians - the Books (MechWarrior Destiny, Tactical Operantion, and associated Equipment book) are available in Canada from July 8 as per FLGS, so get yer orders in!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 16:42:28
just got an email today that my TacOps books have shipped. that was about ten days.

good news is they ship two day mail in the states so i'll have them on wednesday
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 15 June 2020, 19:34:53
For the first time ever, a completely official, canon magazine, Shrapnel is available for Battletech.

JUMP BACK INTO THE COCKPIT!
Picking up the battle standard for BattleTech fiction, Shrapnel: The Official BattleTech Magazine continues the tradition of hard-hitting stories set in the war-torn interstellar future of the 31st century and beyond. Fire up your ’Mech’s fusion reactor, secure your neurohelmet, and wade into battle with stories from the merciless front lines of the Clan Invasion and other eras, conspiracy theory articles, game scenarios, and more from veteran BattleTech authors, fan favorites, and some new recruits.

Featuring:
Michael A. Stackpole
Blaine Lee Pardoe
Kevin Killiany
Craig A. Reed, Jr.
Chris Hussey
Jason Hansa
Lance Scarinci
Michael J. Ciaravella
Patrick Wynne
Aaron Cahall

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Please note, this is available digital only currently, there's been a delay with the Print on Demand option. As soon as that's cleared up we will make it available also.

We are also happy to announce that Shell Games is available in print.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1947335243/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_1eb6Eb7RG9NBR (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1947335243/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_1eb6Eb7RG9NBR)

(https://i.ibb.co/jJb7SNg/Shrapnel.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJb7SNg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 15 June 2020, 19:43:31
What're the chances of getting stories by Bob Charrette and Bill Keith? Wolves on the Border and Decision at Thunder Rift are still high points in the line
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 19:54:05
You can get the whole gdl trilogy on pod
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 15 June 2020, 20:02:08
You can get the whole gdl trilogy on pod

I have '90s copies. I was asking after new stuff.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 20:14:06
Ah fair enough. William Keith is still writing for other universes. It doesn’t appear Charrette has done any published fiction since 2004
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 15 June 2020, 20:54:20
I'm sure this has been answered elsewhere, but I can't find it.  Did the A Splinter of Hope/The Anvil combo ever go to POD?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 June 2020, 21:54:44
Yes
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Valkerie on 16 June 2020, 07:13:44
Thanks Sartis.  I must have missed it then. Can't find it on Amazon or DriveThru. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 16 June 2020, 07:30:32
I checked earlier and it looks like it and Lethal Heritage haven't been reinstated to POD.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 16 June 2020, 07:47:24
I checked earlier and it looks like it and Lethal Heritage haven't been reinstated to POD.

I've notified John of the issue.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 16 June 2020, 08:40:27
Thanks Sartis.  I must have missed it then. Can't find it on Amazon or DriveThru.

It appears it was not reinstated with the others
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Joewrightgm on 16 June 2020, 21:05:38
Can y’all just release the recognition guide early?? ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 16 June 2020, 21:57:35
Can y’all just release the recognition guide early?? ;)

Have to resolve this Trial of Refusal first. Clan Jade Falcon refuses to accept Clan Wolf's proposal of Arabic Numerals ("as the Founder always intended") for the Recognition Guide, and demands Roman Numerals "as benefits the dignity of the ilClan".
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 16 June 2020, 22:06:04
Can y’all just release the recognition guide early?? ;)

The WarCrow redeemed itself.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=246.msg1621390#msg1621390
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 16 June 2020, 22:47:31
Can y’all just release the recognition guide early?? ;)

We will, as soon as we find out where Kit hid the files.....

Craig
(Last time we use him as a security officer....)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RoundTop on 16 June 2020, 23:07:03
Ah fair enough. William Keith is still writing for other universes. It doesn’t appear Charrette has done any published fiction since 2004

Bob Charrette is a bit of a renaissance man. He is a well respected author, sculptor, game designer, and medeival historian. His last decade or so has been a focus on history.

I met him in 2015 at a sword conference, doing a panel on medeival armor, which he was researching at the time.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 16 June 2020, 23:08:47
more power to him. what a guy

i see william keith wrote the intro story for MW: Destiny
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 16 June 2020, 23:14:45
more power to him. what a guy

i see william keith wrote the intro story for MW: Destiny

I had missed that, thanks for pointing it out.  Looks like the third of the series (from the Beginner Box and AGoAC short stories).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 17 June 2020, 08:09:54
Have to resolve this Trial of Refusal first. Clan Jade Falcon refuses to accept Clan Wolf's proposal of Arabic Numerals ("as the Founder always intended") for the Recognition Guide, and demands Roman Numerals "as benefits the dignity of the ilClan".

Could be worse. The whole issue was only revealed because the Techs from both Clans had the working document using hexadecimal.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 17 June 2020, 10:25:34
Can y’all just release the recognition guide early?? ;)

If we released it now you wouldn't recognize it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 17 June 2020, 10:33:47
Could be worse. The whole issue was only revealed because the Techs from both Clans had the working document using hexadecimal.

Ugh. Hated learning hexadecimal in college (almost as much as FORTRAN). It would be enough to be the driving force for a Trial of Grievance.

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jimdigris on 17 June 2020, 12:07:30
Just the same, we couldn't have saved Mark Watney without hexadecimal. ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 17 June 2020, 13:06:57
If we released it now you wouldn't recognize it.

That's because you hid the files in the three-week-old Wombat Spicy Chilli in the staff refrigerator (We still don't know how the Chilli ended up there in the first place). Now we have to negotiate with the chilli for the files back before the UN gets involved......

Craig
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 17 June 2020, 13:13:41
Can y’all just release the recognition guide early?? ;)

Or what about a 1 mech free tease today.  Show us the Griffin-C and tantalize us with the new format!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: BoyOfSummer on 17 June 2020, 13:19:43
Ugh. Hated learning hexadecimal in college (almost as much as FORTRAN). It would be enough to be the driving force for a Trial of Grievance.

I'd oppose you. Bring it on.  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 17 June 2020, 17:59:12
Clan Jade Falcon refuses to accept Clan Wolf's proposal of Arabic Numerals ("as the Founder always intended") for the Recognition Guide, and demands Roman Numerals "as benefits the dignity of the ilClan".
I see what you did there...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: BigAl on 17 June 2020, 18:46:20
Hello,  I have one question.  Why is there no Hunchback IIC variants in the most recent Record sheets.   The one with the heavy large lasers and the ATM missiles.  I am very disappointed.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 17 June 2020, 19:09:47
If I had to guess
2 - Homeworld only
3, 4 - not clan invasion era. I’ll have to check the pdf but there are not many sheets from past 3062
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Chinless on 18 June 2020, 01:44:15
Hello,  I have one question.  Why is there no Hunchback IIC variants in the most recent Record sheets.   The one with the heavy large lasers and the ATM missiles.  I am very disappointed.

Do you mean the variants mentioned in TR3058 Upgrade p172? If so, those are in RS3058 Unabridged Clan.

Edit: Looks like you mean in TR and RS Clan Invasion. As you point out, only the standard Hunchback IIC appears to be included.

Chris
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 18 June 2020, 01:51:17
Are there any ATM, heavy laser, or other post-initial-invasion tech in RS:CI?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 18 June 2020, 03:39:20
Are there any ATM, heavy laser, or other post-initial-invasion tech in RS:CI?

A quick glance through the PDF says yes, for both OmniMechs and standards - but not all pre-published variants for non--Omnis appear to be in there.  The only Hunchback IIc is the UAC/20 model, but the Grizzly 2 with its ATM is present, for example.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 08:16:17
new equipment found in RS: CI not found in RS: SW (which is essentially HelmTech plus stealth armor)

Clan
Code: [Select]
A-Pod
B-Pod

ER Laser Micro/Small/Medium/Large
Heavy Laser Small/Medium/Heavy
Pulse Laser Micro/Small/Medium/Large
ER PPRC
Flamer
Plasma Cannon

ATM 3/6/9/12
LRM 5/10/15/20
SRM 2/4/6
SSRM 2/4/6
Mech Mortar 8

AP Gauss
Gauss Rifle
Machine Gun
Machine Gun Light/Heavy
NARC
LB-X AC 2/5/10/20
Ultra AC 2/5/10/20
HAG 20/30/40

Active Probe
Active Probe, Light
AMS
Artemis IV
ECM Suite
Machine Gun Array
TAG
TAG, Light
Targeting Computer

IS
Code: [Select]
ER Laser Small/Medium
Heavy PPC
Snub PPC

MRM 10/20/30/40
SSRM 2 (OS)
SSRM 4/6
MML 9
Rocket Launcher 10/15/20
NARC
iNarc

Light Gauss
Heavy Gauss
RAC 2/5
LAC 5 (no 2)
LB-X AC 5/20 (no 2)
Ultra AC 2/10/20

C3 Slave/Master
C3i
Targeting Computer

Sword

Arrow IV

Light Fusion

Light Ferro

Clan Variants: 238 (including the Uller A and Hellion B, which were presumably accidentally omitted)
Pre-Invasion: 99
Clan Invasion: 90
Civil War: 19
Jihad: 8

Inner Sphere Variants: 238
Late Succession Wars: 7
Clan Invasion: 144
Civil War: 73
Jihad: 14

the four duplicate sheets found in RS: CI were not included in the counting what kind of amateur hour OCD do you think you're dealing with here

additionally i will note that homeworld-exclusive clan variants appear to be systematically omitted
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 18 June 2020, 11:31:28
Does the words " I got something really cool coming real soon" mean anything to anyone and if so could we get a hint? ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 18 June 2020, 12:06:46
Does the words " I got something really cool coming real soon" mean anything to anyone and if so could we get a hint? ;)

Sure!

Here's a Minsk, by David White.

TRO: Golden Century, coming soon!

(https://i.ibb.co/NKvQ4j6/Minsk-ink-shaded.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JH10h7R)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 18 June 2020, 12:09:57
Minsk looks like a Warhammer variant to me.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2020, 12:10:47
Warhammer to Hellbringer?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 18 June 2020, 12:11:12
Also! We are happy to announce that "Shrapnel #1" and "Shell Games" are both available now in Print on Demand.

(Please note, "Shrapnel" is the size and shape of the recent novels we released, it is NOT formatted as a magazine.)

Shrapnel in POD (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1947335200/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_UG06EbB86CJTG?fbclid=IwAR2PgrwSrg15VDL7e8_HhJln3QbiKUiINJMkWkhWK7LmqhPB9zcSAqTVuLo)

UPDATE: There may be a snag with Shrapnel, we're checking into it.

Shell Games in POD (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1947335243/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_6H06EbYTY0MHQ?fbclid=IwAR3fi9Yq5sGArJS1wXP0QVXYkHRmAlq10BZkTdzxHufCs014uuYQ_8BqpBI)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kerfuffin(925) on 18 June 2020, 12:31:12
Minsk looks like a Warhammer variant to me.

It’s the early Clan Hammerhands
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 12:42:50
It’s the early Clan Hammerhands

you might be onto something there

(https://i.ibb.co/NKvQ4j6/Minsk-ink-shaded.jpg)(https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/7/73/Hammerhands.jpg/565px-s7169vs4h07dohvjm5jepr940wynlm3.png?timestamp=20101222114025)

when a warhammer and a hammerhands love each other very much...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 18 June 2020, 12:45:51
It’s the early Clan Hammerhands

Quote from: Rainbow Dash (mostly)
Designer: So, like a Hammerhands?
Warrior: Yeah, just like that, but you know, 10% cooler

(MLP misquote, honestly the 'new' series was well written)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 18 June 2020, 12:59:59
Minsk does incidentally have 3/5 movement, 70 ton mass, and sports twin Gauss rifles, per TP Tokasha. Hammerhands comparison is apt.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 13:02:18
Hammerhands,

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/cf/d4/35cfd4436103270342a1d146f75fb180.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2020, 13:03:35
Minsk does incidentally have 3/5 movement, 70 ton mass, and sports twin Gauss rifles, per TP Tokasha. Hammerhands comparison is apt.

Or its a slower Glass Spider . . . now which came 'first' in the timeline.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 13:05:42
Minsk 2830
Glass Spider 2834
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2020, 13:13:41
So by 'fluff' we might learn they dropped secondary weapons and some armor to speed up the pair of gauss rifles.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 13:19:23
it's established in 3055U that the glass spider is the clan retooling of the SLDF galahad. clantech allowed for more speed

convergent evolution in this case, i think
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kerfuffin(925) on 18 June 2020, 13:20:57
I do really like the art for it, much better than the silhouette from Tokasha and Sarna.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 18 June 2020, 13:22:57
TP Tokasha silhouette was evidently only a placeholder
Incidentally that was the new classic Warhammer
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kerfuffin(925) on 18 June 2020, 13:28:01
TP Tokasha silhouette was evidently only a placeholder
Incidentally that was the new classic Warhammer

That bodes well for the other silhouette mechs and vees from Tokasha and other places. I’m interested in seeing the Fox as well. Or well most interested.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 13:38:36
i assume they used the warhammer in tokasha because it's close enough
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 18 June 2020, 13:56:43
Sure!

Here's a Minsk, by David White.

TRO: Golden Century, coming soon!

(https://i.ibb.co/NKvQ4j6/Minsk-ink-shaded.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JH10h7R)

Not sure I've ever heard of this mech, but been a fan of David White's work since TRO 3145: FS.  I like the look of this machine as well.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 14:00:17
It’s been one of those “mentioned but not statted” for a long time.

Did it get an acknowledgement before the little box on the map in the core books?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 18 June 2020, 14:01:03
Are the Wolverines mechs going to be included? In this TRO
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 18 June 2020, 14:06:56
Why?  We already have the Stag, Pulverizer, etc . . . besides, its the Golden Century which came about after the Wolverines were stomped.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 14:11:00
That’s the big reason I’d lean “no”

Secret programs stealing from the wolverine remains? That I could get behind
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 18 June 2020, 14:11:28
Why?  We already have the Stag, Pulverizer, etc . . . besides, its the Golden Century which came about after the Wolverines were stomped.

The pulverizer is listed as the first snow raven mech after the Wolverines were stomped so curious if it will be addressed
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Luciora on 18 June 2020, 14:13:56
The Coyotl bears more than just a passing resemblance to the Mercury II, and it was introduced 25 years after the reaving of the Wolverines.  Enough time for a designer's origins to be forgotten in the clans history.

That’s the big reason I’d lean “no”

Secret programs stealing from the wolverine remains? That I could get behind
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 14:19:50
Or the designers who acquired the plans keeping it on the DL until not too many questions would be asked

I’m guessing no wolverine designs but maybe stuff based on wolverine research picked from the carcass
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Knightmare on 18 June 2020, 14:51:54
TP Tokasha silhouette was evidently only a placeholder
Incidentally that was the new classic Warhammer

Hmm...you might be onto something.

Are the Wolverines mechs going to be included? In this TRO

I can confirm the Pulverizer will make an appearance. For reasons.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 18 June 2020, 15:08:04

Hmm...you might be onto something.

I can confirm the Pulverizer will make an appearance. For reasons.

Nice I love that mech and want to see it get a proper tro write up.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 18 June 2020, 15:27:46
I like the Minsk. I do wish the arms were little longer.  They look little stubby to me.

Minsk is a mix tech machine, so that could be why Glass Spider replaced it essentially.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 18 June 2020, 16:48:36
I might have missed it somewhere, but does anyone know if either Gray Markets or Slack Tide will be making the POD list?   ???  I've got them both for Amazon Kindle, but I prefer paperbacks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 18 June 2020, 16:54:57
I might have missed it somewhere, but does anyone know if either Gray Markets or Slack Tide will be making the POD list?   ???  I've got them both for Amazon Kindle, but I prefer paperbacks.

Soon, very soon....

(But not before RecGuide, and not the same week that we've dropped some other stuff. Next week, most likely.)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 18 June 2020, 17:02:10
Damn, that's one sexy Minsk. And anything that isn't named after something shooty-explodey or some sort of adjective-animal combo gets an immediate pass from me. 10/10, I'm lovin' it.

Minsk is a mix tech machine, so that could be why Glass Spider replaced it essentially.

Looking at the record sheet, the only IS tech it carries is its Active Probe...but yeah, I can see the Glass Spider supplanting it anyway. 3/5 combined with a very short ranged back-up array makes most of its firepower pretty worthless in what Clan warfare turned into.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 18 June 2020, 19:45:53
I would also assume that teams of scientists/techs are designing mechs in each clan, for them to come up with two or more that are statistically alike is totally plausible.

Well I have this brand new mech that has two Gauss rifles!

Well ours has two Gauss rilfes, LRMS, SRMS, AND lasers!

and other such copy-cat, convergent designing, pride not letting you use someone else's work, and what not.


[edit note] Did they give us stats as a teaser earlier? ... b/c I have a 'Minsk' more or less statted out in my word.doc tables, and I barely remember putting it there.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 June 2020, 19:50:41
It was in TP Tokasha
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 18 June 2020, 20:00:22
It was in TP Tokasha

nope, don't have that ... wonder if someone posted about it then, I have a BV for it too ... since I'm only using TM and paper, I definitely did not figure that out.  No worries!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 18 June 2020, 23:11:08
Well its the 19th here in Europe :D Gimme!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 19 June 2020, 03:23:41
Well its the 19th here in Europe :D Gimme!

Definitely.  I need something to read while working.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 06:59:17
It seems they're still sleeping over there on the left coast. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 19 June 2020, 08:34:59
As a lifetime left coaster (with only a four year jaunt in Europe as the exception) I can say that when I wake up around 5:30 to get some work done, it is dead quiet here and I do indeed feel like everyone else is asleep.  It is my favorite time of day by far!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2020, 08:43:13
How can you NOT love a place like Vancouver!

(https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/o19NAc55Z0N6DpWpnuhdTko-RsM=/2576x2576/smart/filters:no_upscale()/false-creek-in-vancouver-520447354-5ad8a8778023b900360aae96.jpg)

Where else can you Ski in the Morning, Golf in the Afternoon, and have Diner on the Beach, al without leaving the City???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 19 June 2020, 08:58:54
Edinburgh.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 19 June 2020, 09:05:05
Well ours has two Gauss rilfes, LRMS, SRMS, AND lasers!
Which take heads of Pulverizers (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57647.msg1622743#msg1622743) nicely.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 09:09:57
Eh, Gauss Rifles are going to take the head off most things without hardened armor or Ferro-Lam & Reinforced structure.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 19 June 2020, 09:21:01
Eh, Gauss Rifles are going to take the head off most things without hardened armor or Ferro-Lam & Reinforced structure.
How else you going keep a head of the competition?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Knightmare on 19 June 2020, 09:21:24
Looking at the record sheet, the only IS tech it carries is its Active Probe...but yeah, I can see the Glass Spider supplanting it anyway. 3/5 combined with a very short-ranged back-up array makes most of its firepower pretty worthless in what Clan warfare turned into.

IIRC that's the interim Minsk, not the first Minsk built. There are also others, but that information will have to wait until the TRO drops.

The low speed certainly didn't help with the 'Mech's longevity, but low ground speed alone isn't what killed the use of the Minsk. (Obvi introduction of the Omni didn't help...)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 19 June 2020, 09:26:33
How can you NOT love a place like Vancouver!

(https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/o19NAc55Z0N6DpWpnuhdTko-RsM=/2576x2576/smart/filters:no_upscale()/false-creek-in-vancouver-520447354-5ad8a8778023b900360aae96.jpg)

Where else can you Ski in the Morning, Golf in the Afternoon, and have Diner on the Beach, al without leaving the City???
California, for one.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2020, 09:30:06
California, for one.

What city in Cali has ski Hills in the City Limits?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2020, 09:34:35
What city in Cali has ski Hills in the City Limits?

I'm gonna step here to say this is off-topic. We're trying to spoil some Golden Century stuff for you people, we're about to drop the first RecGuide today, I'd like those to stand on their own without comparison city-shopping.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Crackerb0x on 19 June 2020, 09:35:21
About any idea when that will happen today, Cubby?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2020, 09:52:39
I'm gonna step here to say this is off-topic. We're trying to spoil some Golden Century stuff for you people, we're about to drop the first RecGuide today, I'd like those to stand on their own without comparison city-shopping.  :thumbsup:

I'm ain't stopping ya....Spoil away! I dare ya!

I dirty-double-dog Dare ya!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Centurion03 on 19 June 2020, 09:58:25
So...

When's that ilClan Recognition Guide Vol 1 dropping? I'm not desperate or anything... Just asking...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Gaiiten on 19 June 2020, 10:05:46
I'm gonna step here to say this is off-topic. We're trying to spoil some Golden Century stuff for you people, we're about to drop the first RecGuide today, I'd like those to stand on their own without comparison city-shopping.  :thumbsup:
Well, while taking our mind off Battletech he was giving you more time  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 19 June 2020, 10:06:21
We like to shoot for 2pm on Fridays. That said, this first one may be later in the day and I may have to take a long lunch hour from the day job and get hands-on to make sure this baby gets delivered. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 19 June 2020, 10:14:49
Dare I ask 2pm in which time-zone?  It's currently after 4pm here.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2020, 10:20:12
Dare I ask 2pm in which time-zone?  It's currently after 4pm here.

Probably PST
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 19 June 2020, 10:21:38
Eastern, GMT-4/5
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 19 June 2020, 10:28:38
Thank you, so at least another 2 1/2 hours. :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 19 June 2020, 10:29:14
Eastern, GMT-4/5
That is Forum time right?

How much delay on top for the drivethroughrpg?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2020, 10:35:53
None that I'm aware of, the links should go live together.

When we talk about delays between platforms, that tends to be more of a fiction thing--getting everything set up on every e-pub platform runs at different speeds. For sourcebooks, timing the CGL Store and DTRPG together is easier.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 19 June 2020, 11:00:44
Going back to the Minsk, I suspect its short lifespan can be attributed to its design focus. It's a hellacious defensive mech, but not very good at offensive operations (a strike against it in Clan eyes), and it's got contemporaries that can do roughly the same jobs, but are fast enough for other missions in that era (Galahad, Warhammer IIC). Because the Clans operate under intentional scarcity, production would switch to the more flexible machines.

Garrison forces would treasure their Minsks and put them on the line every chance they get, but attrition would take its toll, and replacements would come in the form of Galahads and Warhammer IICs and similar, until eventually the last Minsk falls.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 11:20:10
If we are getting different tech-level versions as a transition machine . . . then yeah, getting a Clan ERPPC into production rather than the Enhanced ERPPC is going to change the calculus on a pocket assault.

It will be interesting if we get a design that goes something like . . . IS XL, IS FF, IS Guns to SFE, Clan FF & mostly Clan Guns- initially accepting the vulnerability of the IS XL, then exchanging it for a SFE b/c the lighter weight Clan weapons along with pulling the 'expense' of a XL.

I would also expect a lot of the standard mechs in Golden Century that were not Omni precursors to have 'difficult to repair' quirks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 19 June 2020, 11:22:05
Going back to the Minsk, I suspect its short lifespan can be attributed to its design focus. It's a hellacious defensive mech, but not very good at offensive operations (a strike against it in Clan eyes), and it's got contemporaries that can do roughly the same jobs, but are fast enough for other missions in that era (Galahad, Warhammer IIC). Because the Clans operate under intentional scarcity, production would switch to the more flexible machines.

Garrison forces would treasure their Minsks and put them on the line every chance they get, but attrition would take its toll, and replacements would come in the form of Galahads and Warhammer IICs and similar, until eventually the last Minsk falls.

This makes the most sense. The Minsk is just too slow for Clan Warfare and at the time it appeared, it was already shifting into a high speed cavalry speed approach and this leaves the Minsk too far behind for offensive roles other than distant fire support. its what we'd call a pocket Assault mech by modern standards like the Hel or some of the Tundra Wolf variants but even then its probably too slow for what was emerging in the Clans at the time.
As you said, defensive units would probably love this thing as its heavily armed and sounds like its got good protection too, but to have all those weapons on a slow, defensive platform. Surely the 'smart' thing to do (in Clan eyes) is to put them to use elsewhere. We don't know if there was structural issues or something else as well and this combined with its largely defensive bent  probably mean it had a fairly limited production run and any losses simply were not replaced.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 19 June 2020, 11:40:45
If we are getting different tech-level versions as a transition machine . . . then yeah, getting a Clan ERPPC into production rather than the Enhanced ERPPC is going to change the calculus on a pocket assault.

It will be interesting if we get a design that goes something like . . . IS XL, IS FF, IS Guns to SFE, Clan FF & mostly Clan Guns- initially accepting the vulnerability of the IS XL, then exchanging it for a SFE b/c the lighter weight Clan weapons along with pulling the 'expense' of a XL.

I would also expect a lot of the standard mechs in Golden Century that were not Omni precursors to have 'difficult to repair' quirks.
Did you have a close look at the Pulverizer?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 19 June 2020, 11:56:55
Which take heads of Pulverizers (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57647.msg1622743#msg1622743) nicely.

Nice shot, Red Two!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 11:57:18
My treasonous, vile gallbladder was successfully cut out of me this morning and I’ll be discharged and home just in time for the new stuff.

As an added bonus I have been relieved of mowing the lawn for two weeks.

Everything is coming up Millhouse
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 19 June 2020, 11:58:46
Oh, that's right! ... glad you didn't upset the witch doctors!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 12:04:22
My treasonous, vile gallbladder was successfully cut out of me this morning and I’ll be discharged and home just in time for the new stuff.

As an added bonus I have been relieved of mowing the lawn for two weeks.

Everything is coming up Millhouse

'grats on losing 0.125 pounds.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 12:14:56
Did you have a close look at the Pulverizer?

We have been given one Pulverizer IIRC, so afaik we have not gotten a progression of tech as it was fit & refit as tech evolved.  It would be the opposite of what we saw with 2SW TBolt design.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 12:25:59
'grats on losing 0.125 pounds.

Also the gallstones that literally crippled me at random for two and three days at a time

These RecGuides are kind of like opening mwda boosters. Very interested to see how they’re set up
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 19 June 2020, 12:47:15
How can you NOT love a place like Vancouver!

(https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/o19NAc55Z0N6DpWpnuhdTko-RsM=/2576x2576/smart/filters:no_upscale()/false-creek-in-vancouver-520447354-5ad8a8778023b900360aae96.jpg)

Where else can you Ski in the Morning, Golf in the Afternoon, and have Diner on the Beach, al without leaving the City???

Dubai. Plus ride a camel through the desert.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 13:03:19
How can you NOT love a place like Vancouver!

(https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/o19NAc55Z0N6DpWpnuhdTko-RsM=/2576x2576/smart/filters:no_upscale()/false-creek-in-vancouver-520447354-5ad8a8778023b900360aae96.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C8Gqe4O.png)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: sadlerbw on 19 June 2020, 13:04:43
If the Minsk doesn't have a place to keep your miniature giant space hamster, I'm going to be a little disappointed.

Still, any product with the word ilClan in the name is a welcome stepping stone on the road to...well, to ilClan!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 19 June 2020, 13:13:27
We have been given one Pulverizer IIRC, so afaik we have not gotten a progression of tech as it was fit & refit as tech evolved.  It would be the opposite of what we saw with 2SW TBolt design.
Which that Pulverizer 3R shows  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2020, 13:36:09
Now Available – BattleMech Recognition Guide, Vol. 1

(https://i.ibb.co/khd5y7X/Recog-Guide-Vol-01-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/jLpb5ND)

BattleMech Recognition Guide: ilClan vol. 1
Price: $3.99 PDF

The march of technology across BattleTech’s eras is relentless—but some BattleMech designs never die. Each installment of this PDF-only series not only includes a brand new BattleMech or OmniMech, but also details Classic ‘Mech designs from both the Inner Sphere and the Clans, now fully rebuilt with Dark Age technology (3085 and beyond). Allowing beloved units redesigned for the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter to be competitive on “modern” battlefields, this series also includes in-universe development notes, battle histories, notable pilots, and record sheets for each ‘Mech. Released as a series of 22 PDF-only documents through the end of 2020 and early 2021, many ’Mechs featured in this series will be collected as a single print volume upon its completion.

Catalyst Game Labs store: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-recognition-guide-ilclan-vol-1
DriveThruRPG: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/317987

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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 13:37:01
Now Available – BattleMech Recognition Guide, Vol. 1

(https://i.ibb.co/khd5y7X/Recog-Guide-Vol-01-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/jLpb5ND)

IT'S MINE ALL MINE
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 19 June 2020, 13:37:27
Pretty Sexy.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 13:39:38
Can we get a table of contents for those of us who will have to wait to pick it up until we get home?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 13:41:00
Lol, looks like their search is not even up to date- had to follow the link.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 13:45:22
Can we get a table of contents for those of us who will have to wait to pick it up until we get home?

There's no table of contents per se, and I skimmed it quickly. The format is a bit different, but featured 'Mechs seem to be the:
-Griffin
-Dominator
-Goliath
-Hellbringer
-Commando
-Pack Hunter
-Grasshopper
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 19 June 2020, 13:49:16
With a total of 15 Record Sheets.  I can't tell if any are repeats at first glance.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 19 June 2020, 13:49:32
(https://i.ibb.co/LRJZhjv/104471032-268437254425097-5838622847868064597-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h9Zm1QC)

Oooooooooooooo...I love how it includes QUIRKS!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 13:50:03
Hey, are the featured pilots Kickstarter characters?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 19 June 2020, 13:53:43
I love that the Griffin's notable MechWarriors are separated out by appropriate era icons
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 19 June 2020, 13:59:01
Just the Griffin entry alone is superior to the entierity of TRO:SW. This pleases me.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 13:59:57
So peaking at DriveThru's sample . . . WOO, that Griffin C . . . built and refit at Keystone.

6/9/9 with a ERPPC and Streak LRM10 . . . chassis is IS w/Clan CASE . . . and IS XL?

And the -3N is the 'old' look for a new Dark Age design?

Also neat to get a lot of pilots with this format- any of them KS names that were used?

Pack Hunter?  The art & mini was not bad, though I like original more than MWDA.  Which art is it?  It gives me how we might get a update of the Hellion & Solitiare . . . minis were not bad but they suffered the '67/PP 'too many tiny parts' curse.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 19 June 2020, 14:01:14
More Plog is always good  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 19 June 2020, 14:04:38
We haven't seen that Grasshopper art anywhere before, have we?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 19 June 2020, 14:06:25
Pack Hunter?  The art & mini was not bad, though I like original more than MWDA.  Which art is it?

Looks to be original art.

We haven't seen that Grasshopper art anywhere before, have we?

I don't believe so, seems new.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: I am Belch II on 19 June 2020, 14:08:10
So very awesome! Its like such a great day when new stuff comes out!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 14:09:19
And the -3N is the 'old' look for a new Dark Age design?

Having gone through everything, the writers must have gotten a memo to keep 'Mech stats as close to the weapon layouts seen in kickstarter models and in art as possible.

That said, I think the -3N needs some errata. I think the Jump Jet layout on the record sheet is probably incorrect.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 14:10:21
Looks to be original art.

Naw, it's the same art as TRO:3060.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 19 June 2020, 14:14:12
So....  Now that the ilClan Era is officially live.   When will the Masterunitlist.info start getting updated?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 14:14:30
His answer was a good one to my unclear question, lol- I mean the original Pack Hunter from TRO3060 rather than the II or 2 or whatever MWDA did to foul the design.  ER Micros?  Fix the armor.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 14:15:26
His answer was a good one to my unclear question, lol- I mean the original Pack Hunter from TRO3060 rather than the II or 2 or whatever MWDA did to foul the design.  ER Micros?  Fix the armor.

Oh, derp, my bad.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 19 June 2020, 14:26:05
Having looked through the Recognition Guide, all the Kickstarter or Box Set 'Mechs that are in there (including the Hellbringer) have at least one "modern" configuration that matches the new minis.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 19 June 2020, 14:33:53
We haven't seen that Grasshopper art anywhere before, have we?
That is your kick starter Grasshopper! 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 19 June 2020, 14:34:47
That is your kick starter Grasshopper! 
Well yeah, I figured.  I meant more it's the first place we've seen the KS redesign.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 19 June 2020, 14:35:51
So does that mean the griffin has looked this way for all versions? I hope so!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 19 June 2020, 14:36:35
Project Phoenix hasn't gone anywhere.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2020, 14:38:49
Oooooooooooooo...I love how it includes QUIRKS!

I love how it includes Roles!

Hey, are the featured pilots Kickstarter characters?

Some.

Having looked through the Recognition Guide, all the Kickstarter or Box Set 'Mechs that are in there (including the Hellbringer) have at least one "modern" configuration that matches the new minis.

You betcha.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 14:39:42
So does that mean the griffin has looked this way for all versions? I hope so!

Welllll...the record sheets and TRO readout only cover Unseen variants, so the reseen variants probably still exist in all of their glory.

Now, if you were to fluff it out that your unit's nuSeen GRF-3M was refitted as a GRF-5M (lol) or something, I certainly wouldn't argue with you.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LightGuard on 19 June 2020, 14:40:10
Brand new art for the Hellbringer!

I agree with others who loved the spread for the Griffin. Very, very nice.

Also: the Grasshopper art would match the SW version just as well, so my guess is: It's our new Grasshopper art, replacing the original.
edit: Wombat'd by wolfspider.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 19 June 2020, 14:40:41
I'll bet the weapon placement was intentional, to allow even variant purists to use their box minis as-is even in the new era.

So does that mean the griffin has looked this way for all versions? I hope so!

They have never said anything about retconning the Project Phoenix-style art.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 14:43:20
So does that mean the griffin has looked this way for all versions? I hope so!

It can be if you want it . . . I used a -1R/3R to build a Wolverine 7M.  I need to decide if I am doing another slightly different -7M using a spare Box plastic or a different model for a paint contest.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 19 June 2020, 14:49:55
The Goliath C (iirc) is built on a Phoenix Goliath variant.
Yoda: There is another.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 19 June 2020, 14:56:39
Brand new art for the Hellbringer!


That Hellbringer T is quite the upgrade for the Prime!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 14:59:39
I like the new Dominator variant. Then again, I don't think the original one is that bad. Just a bit under-gunned.

Too bad both variants have higher BVs than many Daishis, or I'd probably field them more.

Lot's of stuff in here I can't wait to test drive.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 15:22:13
Too bad both variants have higher BVs than many Daishis, or I'd probably field them more.

The MASC/Jump Jet/TargComp triad strikes again!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 19 June 2020, 15:26:31
MASC/JumpJets should just use BV for whichever results in higher BV alone.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfspider on 19 June 2020, 15:30:54
The Goliath C (iirc) is built on a Phoenix Goliath variant.
Yoda: There is another.
  :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 15:37:44
On my first pass I was scratching my head why so many old Griffin variants were included. Then it dawned on me. Between this and RS: Succession Wars, every previously unseen variant now has a sheet with the replacement art.

Bravo!  :clap:

I can see why some of these Guides will have as few as five 'Mechs. Some are going to require a whole bunch of sheets!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 19 June 2020, 15:48:39
On my first pass I was scratching my head why so many old Griffin variants were included. Then it dawned on me. Between this and RS: Succession Wars, every previously unseen variant now has a sheet with the replacement art.

Bravo!  :clap:

I can see why some of these Guides will have as few as five 'Mechs. Some are going to require a whole bunch of sheets!

Five mechs with a lot of variants!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 19 June 2020, 16:07:37
Loooooove the new Goliath and Hellbringer art.

Also... question...historically, TROs were “authored” by ComStar.  Does this mean that the Shark Foxes are the new Space AT&T?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 19 June 2020, 16:12:26
griffin, Dominator, hellbringer, grasshopper, Goliath?

Not a bad spread, if a bit top heavy.

I think Sea Fox is space!walmart. The phones are still down, right?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 19 June 2020, 16:22:16
griffin, Dominator, hellbringer, grasshopper, Goliath?

Not a bad spread, if a bit top heavy.

I think Sea Fox is space!walmart. The phones are still down, right?

Commando, Pack Hunter.  Of course it's top heavy if you leave out both light Mechs.  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 16:30:26
lots to process here. i'll skip commenting on the actual mechs to keep it a surprise but i have to ask about the COM-9S: WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??

-very unexpected formatting. i do appreciate the nuseen taking center stage with a much larger spread. 22 planned volumes. 22 core IS unseen. coincidence? probably. but it's a correlation that needs to be pointed out so i can play the x-files theme in the background (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAlDoAtV7Y)

-was wondering how they were going to address how some units in TRO SW didn't get their clan invasion variants published in RS: Clan Invasion. royal griffins and 3Ms for everybody!

-wasn't expecting new configs for the classic omnis. you also get a couple later variants not included in RS: CI

-the goliath c wasn't just  based on a phoenix variant, but a 3085 one at that. we'll have to wait until another day for the new goliath. b-pods acknowledge a world outside of mechs only, even if its for the unit type in the clan invasion box

-the concept behind the pack hunter 5 is funny.

-i appreciate that they didn't go ham with crazy advanced tech.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 19 June 2020, 16:30:57
Commando, Pack Hunter.  Of course it's top heavy if you leave out both light Mechs.  ;)

didn't get it yet. If there's a commando in there I probably will.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 16:42:07
-the goliath c wasn't just  based on a phoenix variant, but a 3085 one at that. we'll have to wait until another day for the new goliath. b-pods acknowledge a world outside of mechs only, even if its for the unit type in the clan invasion box

Been building the stuff for my Megamek, and boy, the Goliath C's left torso criticals about gave me an aneurysm.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 16:44:55
lots to process here. i'll skip commenting on the actual mechs to keep it a surprise but i have to ask about the COM-9S: WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

So the weapon layout would match the mini (which is of the 2D). I admit it's not very good, but at least it's not a near clone of an existing variant like the Loki T is.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 16:48:12
Though the Loki T is an improvement.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 19 June 2020, 16:49:12
Though the Loki T is an improvement.
It is definitely the new Prime for me.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 19 June 2020, 16:50:03
Still working out how I feel about this new format, though I suppose I'll keep picking them up for the time being.

Commando, Pack Hunter.  Of course it's top heavy if you leave out both light Mechs.  ;)

Two lights, a medium, three heavies, and an assault (or two lights, four mediums, seven heavies, and an assault if you go by record sheets) is still top heavy. :P

So the weapon layout would match the mini (which is of the 2D). I admit it's not very good, but at least it's not a near clone of an existing variant like the Loki T is.

It could have been worse, they could have used standard one shots on the Commando.  :D

I'm not sure I'm able to process a "Hellbringer Prime but with proper heat dissipation". Anything reasonable almost seems like an insult to the grand old crazy lady.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 17:03:14
So the weapon layout would match the mini (which is of the 2D). I admit it's not very good, but at least it's not a near clone of an existing variant like the Loki T is.

you're onto something there. the griffin 3N, loki, grasshopper and pack hunter do the same. it's just... OS launchers... the ipecac of BT technology.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 19 June 2020, 17:07:30
Been building the stuff for my Megamek, and boy, the Goliath C's left torso criticals about gave me an aneurysm.

You can say that again, and I've seen worse ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 19 June 2020, 17:09:09
Also... question...historically, TROs were “authored” by ComStar.  Does this mean that the Shark Foxes are the new Space AT&T?


The 3145 series was written by the Republic ...
Seems like they let everyone write them now ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Centurion03 on 19 June 2020, 17:30:04

Dang. I loved ilClan Recognition Guide Vol 1.

I adore the Royal BattleMech variants, so having these included is an extra bonus for me.

Not sure how I feel about waiting two weeks for the next one...  xp
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Deadborder on 19 June 2020, 17:35:05
I love this right up until the point that I start drawing the MegaMek sprites
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 17:36:02
a hero's work is never done
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Brigoon on 19 June 2020, 17:48:29
I love the Recognition Guide. Hats off to the guys and girls you've started off with a bang!


  But man I never wanna face a Goliath C, The weapon load out is brutal and it just looks like it's ready to stomp all over you if you get in it's way.

I now want to field a commando and I like the new Loki configurations it definitely shows you the flexibility of omnimechs. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 19 June 2020, 17:59:51

The 3145 series was written by the Republic ...
Seems like they let everyone write them now ;)


Ach, I KNEW I forgot at least one non-C* book in the series.

I guess the era TROs are also written by the Clans, too, but they’re more of a review document than the traditional “shiny new toys for one and all”.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 18:07:47
Not sure how I feel about waiting two weeks for the next one...  xp

At least next week we'll get TRO Golden Century instead.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 18:09:29
3039 - Focht to VSD, 3073
3050U - MajGen Margaret Tulliver of Wolfnet, 3058
3055U - Tulliver, 3067
3058U - Tulliver, 3070
3060,67 - original intros
3075 - Uncle Chandy, 3075
3085 - Gen Albrecht Hoft, RAF, 3085
Prototypes - Precentor Steven Partridge, 3090
3145 - Paladin Janella Lakewood, 3145
3150 - Tucker Harwell, 3150

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 19 June 2020, 19:09:24
I actually really like that Commando. Same mission profile as the original, but much faster and twice the effective range. I don't mind the OS launchers one bit, they suit a strike mech that's meant to get its hits in, and then get out of dodge. If anything, loading them with Infernoes would have good odds on instakilling a battlesuit or seriously messing up a tank.

Similarly, I've got mixed feelings about the Loki T. The lower BV and matching weapons ports are great, as is the improved heat curve, but that mech really needs the Targeting Computer and ECM. With that armor, it has to be able to stay back at long range and hit noticeably more often than it gets shot in return. The T has no better an accuracy curve than your average Clan PPC mech, so to survive it's going to need a far superior pilot...and the BV's not THAT much lower than the Prime.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 19 June 2020, 19:11:29
The only thing I would do to the new Commando is swap out the SRM i-OS for something else or up grade the MML3s to MML5s.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 19 June 2020, 19:20:10
I actually really like that Commando. Same mission profile as the original, but much faster and twice the effective range. I don't mind the OS launchers one bit, they suit a strike mech that's meant to get its hits in, and then get out of dodge. If anything, loading them with Infernoes would have good odds on instakilling a battlesuit or seriously messing up a tank.

Similarly, I've got mixed feelings about the Loki T. The lower BV and matching weapons ports are great, as is the improved heat curve, but that mech really needs the Targeting Computer and ECM. With that armor, it has to be able to stay back at long range and hit noticeably more often than it gets shot in return. The T has no better an accuracy curve than your average Clan PPC mech, so to survive it's going to need a far superior pilot...and the BV's not THAT much lower than the Prime.

I like the T.  Being able to keep up TMMs while still contributing at range is very nice.

I absolutely love the J.  It's a Scout, which means the All-Loki Recon Star All-Stars is the next thing I'm inflicting on introducing my next Alpha Strike opponent to.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 19:21:53
Similarly, I've got mixed feelings about the Loki T. The lower BV and matching weapons ports are great, as is the improved heat curve, but that mech really needs the Targeting Computer and ECM. With that armor, it has to be able to stay back at long range and hit noticeably more often than it gets shot in return. The T has no better an accuracy curve than your average Clan PPC mech, so to survive it's going to need a far superior pilot...and the BV's not THAT much lower than the Prime.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
If anything, I wish it had gotten an Arty config. Arrow IV would suit it well.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 19:24:59

The 3145 series was written by the Republic ...
Seems like they let everyone write them now ;)

Thought some were also written by Wolfnet.

It will be interesting to see what else we get- anyone remember if Vol II cover was also displayed?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 19:27:30
1-4 are on the coming releases page
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 19 June 2020, 19:27:48
you're onto something there. the griffin 3N, loki, grasshopper and pack hunter do the same. it's just... OS launchers... the ipecac of BT technology.

Are they at least improved OS? never you-all mind, just saw the answer above.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 19 June 2020, 19:36:37
Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
If anything, I wish it had gotten an Arty config. Arrow IV would suit it well.

I think the Hellbringer already had its configurations set before I started slinging Arrow IV configurations at them.  But I think one stuck. We will see :).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 19:39:26
1-4 are on the coming releases page

Lol, why I was asking so I did not have to look for it . . .


SO . . .
Vol II has the Stone Rhino- which means SOMEONE produces it for the Foxes to sell
Vol III has a Battlemaster, maybe the one hinted at by the posted MM shot
Vol IV has the Thresher II . . . always liked the design, felt the 2 did not do it justice so it will be interesting to see where it goes.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 19 June 2020, 19:46:25
I absolutely love the J.  It's a Scout, which means the All-Loki Recon Star All-Stars is the next thing I'm inflicting on introducing my next Alpha Strike opponent to.

Yeah, I didn't like the J until I saw that role. That thing just SCREAMS formation-building shenanigans. It's not the Loki that kills you, it's the special abilities of its Star that kills you. I need to dig through ASCE and CampOps, see which formations require a Scout or two, but would be digustingly powerful if they suddenly had Heavy Clan Mech firepower. :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 19 June 2020, 19:53:59
going to wait for TRO Golden Century; then get both!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 19 June 2020, 20:00:12
Yeah, I didn't like the J until I saw that role. That thing just SCREAMS formation-building shenanigans. It's not the Loki that kills you, it's the special abilities of its Star that kills you. I need to dig through ASCE and CampOps, see which formations require a Scout or two, but would be digustingly powerful if they suddenly had Heavy Clan Mech firepower. :)

I'll save you some time.  It's Command and Recon. ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 19 June 2020, 20:20:28
At least next week we'll get TRO Golden Century instead.

Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. Editing now. Man, these designs are so fun and unusual.

It's totally cool if your battle armor's SRM reload feed occasionally just locks between the rack and the tube, right? No foreseeable problems of any kind?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 19 June 2020, 20:22:02
I'll save you some time.  It's Command and Recon. ^-^

I seem to recall Security needing one as well, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 19 June 2020, 20:22:44
Lord willin' and the creek don't rise. Editing now. Man, these designs are so fun and unusual.

It's totally cool if your battle armor's SRM reload feed occasionally just locks between the rack and the tube, right? No foreseeable problems of any kind?
Yeah, and the other new unit art is cool. Record sheets are getting close too.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Spaceman on 19 June 2020, 20:45:09
I just got done with the RecGuide vol 1 and I love it! The new variants are pretty nice.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MyndkryM on 19 June 2020, 21:03:47
So....  Now that the ilClan Era is officially live.   When will the Masterunitlist.info start getting updated?

I'm also curious when there might be an update to the MUL.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 19 June 2020, 21:13:53
Love the new designs, i had to squint little bit when i realize that Record Sheets are just using symbology as time stamp when they were introduced.

Despite it's crit issue, i like having the Goliath C's weapons in a quad Mech turret.  Tired of getting jumped from behind so to speak.  Now you can fire and shoot people from behind like on the 6M.  Well done guys!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 June 2020, 21:31:07
there's an incredible amount of pre-ilclan work that still needs to be done as well. around a 1100 mechs don't have late republic or dark ages availability which makes adding ilclan data a difficult proposition   
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 19 June 2020, 21:35:00
Really like the new recognition guide format. After reading through some of the fluff I have just one question, what's a Hierofalcon?

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 19 June 2020, 21:44:18
Really like the new recognition guide format. After reading through some of the fluff I have just one question, what's a Hierofalcon?

Cheers,
LCC

Vol XXII
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 June 2020, 21:55:38
It's totally cool if your battle armor's SRM reload feed occasionally just locks between the rack and the tube, right? No foreseeable problems of any kind?

Just bang on the launcher with the battle armor's fist. What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 19 June 2020, 21:57:39
I absolutely love the J.  It's a Scout, which means the All-Loki Recon Star All-Stars is the next thing I'm inflicting on introducing my next Alpha Strike opponent to.

Wait, what? Rofl, Totally missed that...what mechanics turn it into a scout? Is it the jump jets that help it shift into that role vs something like the Prime?

I think the Hellbringer already had its configurations set before I started slinging Arrow IV configurations at them.  But I think one stuck. We will see :).

You sure know how to make a grown man happy.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 19 June 2020, 22:22:00
Why is the Loki J a Scout?
1. It's arbitrary and I was feeling capricious that day.
2. Somebody laughed at me for trying to make the Thor J a Scout, so I was looking for an alternative.
3. It has an Active Probe.
4. I'm not fond of Roles being defined by tonnage. I desperately tried to get the Juggernaut definition loosened enough that I could throw it on an UrbanMech. Instead I had to invent a new role, Ambusher, that is basically a light Juggernaut (as a Skirmisher is a heavy Striker). Ok, none of that explains a Scout.  Scout, for most cases, involves being fast and pathetic.  Ostscout is very fast, and has pathetic weapons, so it's a Scout instead of a Striker. So I am trying to expand that definition. I don't like a definition of a role as "pathetic".  The J isn't a very good Sniper (ER PPC and UAC/5 on a heavy clan 'Mech does not make you an efficient Sniper). A Loki J is underarmored (as all Lokis are for their weight) meaning they are not a stand and deliver (no Juggernaut, Brawler or Skirmisher, all of which involve some level of toughness).  Most Lokis then are either a Striker (short range) or Sniper (long range).  So that leaves Striker for the J...or...it has jump jets, and AMS. And it has that Active Probe. So maybe it makes sense as a commander for a Recon Lance. It can scout itself, defend against common hidden infantry units, it has some maneuverability and it can provide covering fire. I decided that was enough of an excuse and went for it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 19 June 2020, 23:11:57
Why is the Loki J a Scout?
1. It's arbitrary and I was feeling capricious that day.
2. Somebody laughed at me for trying to make the Thor J a Scout, so I was looking for an alternative.
3. It has an Active Probe.
4. I'm not fond of Roles being defined by tonnage. I desperately tried to get the Juggernaut definition loosened enough that I could throw it on an UrbanMech. Instead I had to invent a new role, Ambusher, that is basically a light Juggernaut (as a Skirmisher is a heavy Striker). Ok, none of that explains a Scout.  Scout, for most cases, involves being fast and pathetic.  Ostscout is very fast, and has pathetic weapons, so it's a Scout instead of a Striker. So I am trying to expand that definition. I don't like a definition of a role as "pathetic".  The J isn't a very good Sniper (ER PPC and UAC/5 on a heavy clan 'Mech does not make you an efficient Sniper). A Loki J is underarmored (as all Lokis are for their weight) meaning they are not a stand and deliver (no Juggernaut, Brawler or Skirmisher, all of which involve some level of toughness).  Most Lokis then are either a Striker (short range) or Sniper (long range).  So that leaves Striker for the J...or...it has jump jets, and AMS. And it has that Active Probe. So maybe it makes sense as a commander for a Recon Lance. It can scout itself, defend against common hidden infantry units, it has some maneuverability and it can provide covering fire. I decided that was enough of an excuse and went for it.
You could have at least given it an iJJ version for super scout speed.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 19 June 2020, 23:17:55
I didn’t design it, I only assigned it a role.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Stormy on 20 June 2020, 00:50:03
That’s a damn fine piece of work.

+1 for capriciousness!

Also, the Dominator 2 gives me warm stand-off fuzzies. Good job!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 20 June 2020, 06:33:29
People wondering about the size of the Loki J and role being scout.   All i can think of is silently point to the CGR-1A1 Charger and says "Loki J is better armed" and walks away.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 20 June 2020, 06:37:53
People wondering about the size of the Loki J and role being scout.   All i can think of is silently point to the CGR-1A1 Charger and says "Loki J is better armed" and walks away.

A Stinger is better armed than a Charger! ... at least until the Charger grabs it, pins it, and makes it hit itself.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 20 June 2020, 06:47:53
Really like the new recognition guide format. After reading through some of the fluff I have just one question, what's a Hierofalcon?

Cheers,
LCC
Not sure, looks German.  I used Google Translator and told me Hiero = Rub.  Which i begin to question that. "Rub Falcon"?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 20 June 2020, 07:07:21
I think the word 'Hiero' coes from Latin or Greek, not German. Hiero means 'sacred' in Greek. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 20 June 2020, 07:11:47
Soon, very soon....

(But not before RecGuide, and not the same week that we've dropped some other stuff. Next week, most likely.)
Before, After.  I'm just HAPPY to hear we're getting them done!   :thumbsup:   :beer:  :clap:


Heck, even if they're slated for Christmas 2020!   :thumbsup:


THANKS for the news!   :beer:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 20 June 2020, 07:13:23
Not sure, looks German.  I used Google Translator and told me Hiero = Rub.  Which i begin to question that. "Rub Falcon"?

Well, there's "Chicken Rub", soooo . . .   ???

 :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 20 June 2020, 07:33:20
Well, there's "Chicken Rub", soooo . . .   ???

 :D

Add a grill and dinner is all but served!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sellsword on 20 June 2020, 08:08:11
With the IlClan guide, why were some mechs given larger spreads than others?

Griffin           4 Pages
Dominator     2 Pages
Goliath          2 Pages
Hellbringer     1 Page
Commando    1/3 Page
Grasshopper  1/3 Page
Packhunter     1/3 Page

On top of that, the Pack Hunter has the original 3060 art.  It is scheduled to be redesigned.  Why not include it in a future edition once the new art has been established?

While I enjoy the record sheets, I don't enjoy this format at all and I can't see myself buying any more of them.

Will the future hard copy give short shrift to most of the mechs too or will it be a compilation of the mechs that have the 2 page spread or more, leaving the rest out?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Decoy on 20 June 2020, 09:57:05
They stated that they were going to focus more on the 'mechs that were in the Kickstarter campaign.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 June 2020, 09:59:51
cgl store shipping turnaround a lot quicker on my second order

TacOps - Ordered Jun 5, shipped Jun 15, arrived Jun 17
Second Order - Ordered Jun 14, Shipped Jun 17, arrived Jun 20
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 20 June 2020, 10:19:40
Tonnage factoring into Role is always a fallacy, as once the fighting starts it contributes almost nothing to the fight except some points of IS and a bit of melee damage. You should only look at actual combat capabilities.

If units like the Whitworth-1H or Scorpion (ML) can be Juggernauts, then the Loki can be a Scout, no problem.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 20 June 2020, 10:27:07
Will there be RecGuide Combat Vehicles?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 June 2020, 10:52:00
Tonnage factoring into Role is always a fallacy, as once the fighting starts it contributes almost nothing to the fight except some points of IS and a bit of melee damage. You should only look at actual combat capabilities.

If units like the Whitworth-1H or Scorpion (ML) can be Juggernauts, then the Loki can be a Scout, no problem.

that said, there is a direct corralation between role and weight/bv

Scout (237)
average weight: 30.17t
average bv: 773

Striker (661)
average weight: 36.32t
average bv: 1248

Skirmisher (716)
average weight: 63.31
average bv: 1821

that doesn't mean you can't have exceptions or oddities but the trends in data point to a consistency that should be generally used as a template
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 20 June 2020, 11:08:37
that doesn't mean you can't have exceptions or oddities but the trends in data point to a consistency that should be generally used as a template
Enforcing a tonnage coorelation would be to lose what makes Roles meaningful over just using the tonnage or weight class. 
Saying a Panther is a Light 'Mech, and Light 'Mech are usually Strikers, but a Panther is not a Striker is why roles are assigned to 'Mechs.  Those aren't exceptions/oddities, they are what makes them useful.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 20 June 2020, 11:10:41
Why is the Loki J a Scout?
1. It's arbitrary and I was feeling capricious that day.
2. Somebody laughed at me for trying to make the Thor J a Scout, so I was looking for an alternative.

And here I was, thinking that there was some formula or something that determined roles.
I decided to filter the MUL by role and look at all of the Scouts...and boy. The Pariah A would be a pretty unpleasant scout to bump into.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 20 June 2020, 11:14:40
Perhaps we should split off role discussion to a separate thread?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 June 2020, 11:26:33
Enforcing a tonnage coorelation would be to lose what makes Roles meaningful over just using the tonnage or weight class. 
Saying a Panther is a Light 'Mech, and Light 'Mech are usually Strikers, but a Panther is not a Striker is why roles are assigned to 'Mechs.  Those aren't exceptions/oddities, they are what makes them useful.

I’m just looking at what’s already been established. For example there are no skirmishers under 40 tons. Does that mean there can never be one? Obviously not but roles, established by 3000+ data points, have set some loose templates. I feel like I should be able to make some generalized assumptions about a unit when looking through a list of literally hundreds of options. That doesn’t strictly exclude the Loki J and it certainly can be a scout (indeed the whole process is relatively arbitrary as you have demonstrated), but I’d prefer fewer surprises I guess.

Perhaps we should split off role discussion to a separate thread?

Probably, yes. Though my two cents is largely spent on the subject
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sellsword on 20 June 2020, 11:31:16
They stated that they were going to focus more on the 'mechs that were in the Kickstarter campaign.

That is fine but that isn't exactly what they did.  The Hellbringer is part of the kickstarter.  It only received 1 page compared to the 4 pages that the Griffin received and the Pack Hunter is part of the kickstarter and it didn't even get new art work.  So with this varied formatting, the authors are telling me that the Griffin is the most important mech in the PDF.  The Dominator & the Goliath are the second most.  We should only sort of care about the Hellbringer and the last 3 are basically fluff to fill out the page count. 

It is funny.  I like all the formats that they used; the 4 page, standard 2 page, 1 page and 3 to a page.  And I actually found the 3 to a page entries most to my liking.  l just don't like all of them together in one PDF.  It artificially makes some mechs more important than others.  Maybe that was the intent.  I just don't like it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 20 June 2020, 12:07:16
I feel exactly the opposite.  Some 'Mechs are more important than others and things like the Shogun getting the same page-spread as an Archer has always been a little ridiculous considering that there were exactly two Shoguns left at the time of its entry in 3050U and the Archer is one of the most produced 'Mechs to ever exist.  If that means that an Archer would get a 4-page spread in a RecogGuide and the Shogun a 1/3 page section (it doesn't, but I can hope) then rejoice for proper balance has been restored.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 20 June 2020, 12:08:42
It may have to do with getting official record sheets into print for variants that haven’t ever had those.  There may just have been more sheetless Griffins than Hellbringers.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 20 June 2020, 12:10:14
Uh, all the Griffins except 3N are old and have existing record sheets. The Hellbie J and T are new ones.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 20 June 2020, 12:10:57
The Loki is already in a current Technical Readout (Clan Invasion).  It’s got an “update” page.
The Commando, Pack Hunter, and Grasshopper are more like an improved NTNU section.
The Dominator and Goliath got “normal” readouts.
The Griffin is a classic that has to cover what were multiple readouts before (3039, Phoenix, 3085) and gets an expanded readout to cover more of that extensive history.

(I had no part of the page layout/options, this isn’t an official and/or inside knowledge answer. Just my opinion).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 20 June 2020, 12:48:18
Uh, all the Griffins except 3N are old and have existing record sheets. The Hellbie J and T are new ones.
Griffin C is a new sheet as well.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 20 June 2020, 12:57:51
Right, i already forgot it, IJJs tend to do that to me.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 June 2020, 14:01:04
Dunno if I’m in love with the mixed coverage format, though as I said before I like the four page spread for units with histories going back to the age of war. There’s also something that annoys me about putting CI record sheets across near two dozen volumes. Will have to see how the next few volumes play out
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 20 June 2020, 15:40:03
Be interesting to see the Orion C going forward. My preference would be one ton Streak ammo and three gauss, but I can understand some people wanting a different proportion.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 20 June 2020, 16:04:45
I didn’t design it, I only assigned it a role.
Ah, gotcha. I've just always enjoyed using iJJs on Hellbringers to boost their to-hit modifier and b/c they have so much space for activities
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Centurion03 on 20 June 2020, 17:34:02
At least next week we'll get TRO Golden Century instead.

Wait?!? For real!?! Already!!!

*Disappears off into the horizon dancing a jig whilst chortling to himself.*
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 20 June 2020, 17:47:38
Wait?!? For real!?! Already!!!

*Disappears off into the horizon dancing a jig whilst chortling to himself.*

https://bg.battletech.com/news/battletech-state-of-the-game-june-2020/

There is a release every Friday though August exception for possibly one Friday in August. It's going to be five Fridays of mechs starting with this last one. Next Friday is TRO Golden Century, then Recognition guide 2 on July 3rd, followed by TRO Irregulars on July 10th, and finally Recognition guide 3 on the 17th. Recognition guides are biweekly so there are other releases in between. Good times! Fun for the whole family!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 20 June 2020, 21:46:11
I wonder if the TROs will include Record Sheets like the RecGuides?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 June 2020, 21:55:31
the 3145 faction pdfs did so here's hoping
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 20 June 2020, 22:03:38
And since there seems to be more coordination than ever before between the Megamek team and CGL in terms of record sheet production, here's to hoping that Record Sheets (and/or their products) become easier and easier to produce.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 20 June 2020, 22:17:38
And since there seems to be more coordination than ever before between the Megamek team and CGL in terms of record sheet production, here's to hoping that Record Sheets (and/or their products) become easier and easier to produce.
We continue to help and it's one of the reasons we've put a lot of work into updating our ability to print record sheets in the last couple of years.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 June 2020, 22:22:46
the PoD blackout on amazon appears to have been resolved
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 21 June 2020, 03:05:37
the PoD blackout on amazon appears to have been resolved
Probaly Amazon wanting a bigger slice of the pie (more money). Sorry I am cynical by nature when it comes it megacorps.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 21 June 2020, 05:40:00
Probaly Amazon wanting a bigger slice of the pie (more money). Sorry I am cynical by nature when it comes it megacorps.

They could do that, simply by changing their terms of service. The problems seemed to be server related and BT wasn't the only thing hit.
When Amazon tries to crush someone, they usually don't damage their own services, but make it harder for people using someone else's. Usually they improve their own service at the same time, to attract more people.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 21 June 2020, 07:37:33
the PoD blackout on amazon appears to have been resolved
indeed!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 22 June 2020, 14:06:15
Barnes & Noble has Ghost Hour up for preorder in nook format, releasing on Friday.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 22 June 2020, 15:08:50
Barnes & Noble has Ghost Hour up for preorder in nook format, releasing on Friday.

Looking forward to reading that one.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 June 2020, 15:14:27
at some point the cover for Honor's Gauntlet was put on the releases page. our mystery falcon Archer Pryde is operating some time between ~3115-3150 as a Shrike is depicted on the cover and it has a DA era stamp. i'm guessing the ~3145 end of things in conjunction with the growing momentum toward ilClan?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 22 June 2020, 15:23:59
at some point the cover for Honor's Gauntlet was put on the releases page. our mystery falcon Archer Pryde is operating some time between ~3115-3150 as a Shrike is depicted on the cover and it has a DA era stamp. i'm guessing the ~3145 end of things in conjunction with the growing momentum toward ilClan?

Does he run around yelling, "RAMPAGE!"
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 June 2020, 15:30:34
just based on the description he seems to be a little more self aware than the average falcon genocide jock... so probably not? training dies hard

as of right now we're looking at... Golden Century and potentially Ghost Hour if BN.com is to be believed?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jimdigris on 22 June 2020, 15:41:07
Barnes & Noble has Ghost Hour up for preorder in nook format, releasing on Friday.
I didn't know that Barnes & Noble still exists.  Are they online only?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 22 June 2020, 15:42:38
No.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 22 June 2020, 15:46:28
just based on the description he seems to be a little more self aware than the average falcon genocide jock... so probably not? training dies hard

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2e8a96e70798c146d0b9d9a9438374f9/tenor.gif?itemid=4898266)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 22 June 2020, 16:48:13
Barnes & Noble has Ghost Hour up for preorder in nook format, releasing on Friday.
Looking forward to reading that one.

Not I. This is one of the few hard passes for me in the upcoming releases.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Orwell84 on 22 June 2020, 16:58:52
Not I. This is one of the few hard passes for me in the upcoming releases.

I haven't read the first part yet. Is it that bad?

According to the "State of the Game, June 2020" page, there are three other fiction releases due this month as well. Hoping we still get Rock of the Republic and Icons of War over the next seven days, but if we have to wait until July... <shrug> they'll be worth the wait.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 June 2020, 17:04:28
It’s firmly described as YA fiction. The average demo of this board does not fall in the target audience

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 22 June 2020, 17:04:38
I haven't read the first part yet. Is it that bad?

Plenty of others seem to like it. Not my cup of tea, just wasn't engaged by the story. "Cadets save the day" is pretty meh for me. I'd read Iron Dawn yourself first.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Centurion03 on 22 June 2020, 17:19:44

Archer Pryde...

If he ends up having a penchant for outrageous tactics with salt and pepper hair I'm calling shenanigans.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 22 June 2020, 17:25:35
YA is just a marketing term, nothing wrong with it inherently.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: hf22 on 22 June 2020, 17:32:17
YA is just a marketing term, nothing wrong with it inherently.

If the last couple are any guide, the genre seems to require teens described as attractive being attracted to each other, while defeating older enemies who conveniently forget to be competent.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 22 June 2020, 17:37:51
If the last couple are any guide, the genre seems to require teens described as attractive being attracted to each other, while defeating older enemies who conveniently forget to be competent.

Not that I’m a fan of YA as a genre, but the above pretty much describes every movie and book, ever does it not?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Orwell84 on 22 June 2020, 17:40:37
YA is just a marketing term, nothing wrong with it inherently.

If the last couple are any guide, the genre seems to require teens described as attractive being attracted to each other, while defeating older enemies who conveniently forget to be competent.

Hmm, doesn't sound like my cup of recaf either. I might just save my cash for Blaine Lee Pardoe's work and have more fun collecting more pieces of the growing ilClan puzzle.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 22 June 2020, 17:46:17
Not that I’m a fan of YA as a genre, but the above pretty much describes every movie and book, ever does it not?

Most BattleTech ones.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 22 June 2020, 17:49:52
If the last couple are any guide, the genre seems to require teens described as attractive being attracted to each other, while defeating older enemies who conveniently forget to be competent.
Now i haven't read the books, but based on that description i'd just call it bad writing, not something that has to do with marketing as YA. There are good and bad books marketed as YA.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 22 June 2020, 18:08:27
According to the "State of the Game, June 2020" page, there are three other fiction releases due this month as well. Hoping we still get Rock of the Republic and Icons of War over the next seven days, but if we have to wait until July... <shrug> they'll be worth the wait.

Public Service Announcement: going forward, for the latest and greatest info, stay tuned to the Coming Releases page. The SOTG post is already buried, and while that was a fun day, Coming Releases is where we'll be adjusting anything what needs adjusting.

Rock of the Republic might make it out before June 30. Might. Icons of War won't.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 22 June 2020, 18:30:57
It’s firmly described as YA fiction. The average demo of this board does not fall in the target audience

I mean, lets be real here. Looking at the publication date of "The Hunters", I started reading BattleTech novels when I was around eight years old. I don't think I've read any since that are too advanced not to be able to fall under that YA umbrella.

But that said, I haven't read Iron Dawn, though, so I dunno if there's anything about that book to make it "younger". Maybe it's more like the Young Jedi Knight series? I remember those being pretty basic.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 June 2020, 19:26:19
It’s not reduced reading level it’s thematic. YA works consciously focus on teenage protagonists and deal with issues central to that age group, but also their encounters with more mature and serious situations. The hunger games and works by John green like the fault in our stars are prominent examples of the modern trend
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 22 June 2020, 19:28:22
It’s firmly described as YA fiction. The average demo of this board does not fall in the target audience

To be fair, most BT novel can fit in that category

If the last couple are any guide, the genre seems to require teens described as attractive being attracted to each other, while defeating older enemies who conveniently forget to be competent.

Decision at Thunder Rift, Mercenary Star, Price of Glory, still better than most 40K novels.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 June 2020, 19:33:15
I was one of the moderators for the boys book club at school. I’ve had to read a lot of this stuff. Very few of the BT novels I’ve read come close to being YA.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 22 June 2020, 19:58:54
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Good news, MechWarriors!

Each of the five foil puzzles we announced recently is now available for individual purchase at $34.99 each. You can still buy the five puzzles as a bundle for $149.99, but the bundle will no longer include the five foil posters for free. The poster set is also now available on its own, priced at $24.99.

Remember, each foil puzzle and each poster is limited to 1,000 copies each. If we reprint them in the future (if!), they won’t be foil.

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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 22 June 2020, 20:05:08
The collector in me wants to jump on these, but the practical side of me wonders why I'd want foil vs normal?

EDIT: Okay, just saw the gif.  I'll wait.  (impatiently though.  I really want posters.)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: hf22 on 22 June 2020, 21:41:18
One last post before we end this digression.

Not that I’m a fan of YA as a genre, but the above pretty much describes every movie and book, ever does it not?

Not really? Mostly just the stuff which thinks, He-Man like, that what people really want is a self-insert empowering fantasy. Which is a fair bit of stuff, admittedly.

Now i haven't read the books, but based on that description i'd just call it bad writing, not something that has to do with marketing as YA. There are good and bad books marketed as YA.

Yes, it is the quality of the writing which makes these issues stand out for me, as compared to better written books which manage to hide them more effectively (How to make a scary villain, who still losses believably, is hard. But the trick can be made less obvious).

To be fair, most BT novel can fit in that category

Decision at Thunder Rift, Mercenary Star, Price of Glory, still better than most 40K novels.

The GDL books fit it better than most BT books, I’ll grant that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Crimson Dawn on 22 June 2020, 22:22:19
I was one of the moderators for the boys book club at school. I’ve had to read a lot of this stuff. Very few of the BT novels I’ve read come close to being YA.

True one of the ones I think would fit would be the first novel in the Aiden Pryde series. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mordel on 22 June 2020, 22:36:42
You can still buy the five puzzles as a bundle for $149.99, but the bundle will no longer include the five foil posters for free.

I'm assuming if I purchased the bundle before this change when the posters were still included with the bundle price, I'll still be getting the posters, correct?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 22 June 2020, 23:03:38
Good news, MechWarriors!

Each of the five foil puzzles we announced recently is now available for individual purchase at $34.99 each. You can still buy the five puzzles as a bundle for $149.99, but the bundle will no longer include the five foil posters for free. The poster set is also now available on its own, priced at $24.99.

Remember, each foil puzzle and each poster is limited to 1,000 copies each. If we reprint them in the future (if!), they won’t be foil.\\

Got TWO sets of posters ordered!  :thumbsup: 

HUGE   "Thank You!!"  to whoever made the call to make them available separately!   :beer: :clap:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 22 June 2020, 23:29:01
Public Service Announcement: going forward, for the latest and greatest info, stay tuned to the Coming Releases page. The SOTG post is already buried, and while that was a fun day, Coming Releases is where we'll be adjusting anything what needs adjusting.

Rock of the Republic might make it out before June 30. Might. Icons of War won't.

Thanks for the update....

Craig
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 23 June 2020, 00:11:55
I'm assuming if I purchased the bundle before this change when the posters were still included with the bundle price, I'll still be getting the posters, correct?

I want to second this question. For those of us who jumped the bandwagon early - despite horrendous shipping cost , will the bundle still consist of Puzzles and Posters??
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 23 June 2020, 00:17:04
It sort of has to since that was the published offer.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 23 June 2020, 01:52:53
I want to second this question. For those of us who jumped the bandwagon early - despite horrendous shipping cost , will the bundle still consist of Puzzles and Posters??

The bundle offer was for orders in before June 22.  The above announcement dropping the posters sets the terms for post June 22 orders.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 23 June 2020, 02:29:56
The bundle offer was for orders in before June 22.  The above announcement dropping the posters sets the terms for post June 22 orders.

This is, what I am also expecting and hoping for. Just would like to have official confirmation
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Atlas3060 on 23 June 2020, 05:42:40
BattleTech Foil Puzzles, Foil Posters Available for Individual Sale

Good news, MechWarriors!

Each of the five foil puzzles we announced recently is now available for individual purchase at $34.99 each.
Good, now I'll stop getting that "What were you thinking?" face from the Mrs. when I pitch the idea of getting a puzzle box for the kid.  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 23 June 2020, 06:46:31
BattleTech Foil Puzzles, Foil Posters Available for Individual Sale

Good news, MechWarriors!

Each of the five foil puzzles we announced recently is now available for individual purchase at $34.99 each. You can still buy the five puzzles as a bundle for $149.99, but the bundle will no longer include the five foil posters for free. The poster set is also now available on its own, priced at $24.99.

Remember, each foil puzzle and each poster is limited to 1,000 copies each. If we reprint them in the future (if!), they won’t be foil.

BattleTech Foil Puzzles (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-limited-edition-foil-jigsaw-puzzles-2020-summer-collection)

BattleTech Foil Posters – Set of 5 (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-limited-edition-foil-posters-set-of-5)

(https://i.ibb.co/qyvrGJb/20200622-142241.gif) (https://ibb.co/Bz9CDn8)

Thanks, guys!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 07:57:13
The bundle offer was for orders in before June 22.  The above announcement dropping the posters sets the terms for post June 22 orders.

This.

HUGE  Thank You!! to whoever made the call to make them available separately!   :beer: :clap:

So, I should have been clearer in my writing.

The plan was always to offer the complete bundle, all 5 puzzles plus posters, for $149.99 for a limited period of about 10 days, after which the posters would be made available as a separate set of 5 and the puzzles would be available individually as well. My sense was that management wanted to avoid spelling out the last part of that, presumably to drive some sales toward the bundle. I mentioned it a couple of times in Facebook comments and I think in a comment on this thread, but did not hammer on it in the actual announcement 10 days ago.

What I should have been clearer about yesterday was that the initial offer, which ran until yesterday, will still include the posters with the puzzles, just like you expected when you bought it. However, the set of all five puzzles will not include the posters for free, from yesterday on.

Just so we're clear. This wasn't an on-the-spot call to break up the puzzles for individual sale, and split out the posters. That was always part of the plan.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 23 June 2020, 08:17:12
@Cubby: Thanks for the clarification!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 23 June 2020, 09:32:56
Now I am just waiting for my shipping notification . . . and I need to get the framing set up.  Might even let the toddler put one up in his room.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 23 June 2020, 12:09:48
Public Service Announcement: going forward, for the latest and greatest info, stay tuned to the Coming Releases page.

Do you mean this thread here? Or the new releases tab on the main page?

***

As for the YA novels; I am giving them a shot.

Having read the "Tomorrow" Series by John Marsden and some of the Afterblight Chronicles, I have to say that very little BT fiction actually reaches the limits of what is acceptable within the YA genre.

By contrast; what have BT novels lacked? Always detailed sex and violence, even with the occasionally gag-inducing dialog that comes up around Victor and Katherine or in descriptions of the Clan's SibKo program.

Usually lacking the kind of gritty realism seen in more grounded MilSF, almost always lacking in the filthy, ugly side of conflict.

If any of the BT novels I read as a kid kept me up at night, it was only in imagining how cool it would be to be a real mechwarrior.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 23 June 2020, 12:20:46
As for the YA novels; I am giving them a shot.

Having read the "Tomorrow" Series by John Marsden and some of the Afterblight Chronicles, I have to say that very little BT fiction actually reaches the limits of what is acceptable within the YA genre.

By contrast; what have BT novels lacked? Always detailed sex and violence, even with the occasionally gag-inducing dialog that comes up around Victor and Katherine or in descriptions of the Clan's SibKo program.

Usually lacking the kind of gritty realism seen in more grounded MilSF, almost always lacking in the filthy, ugly side of conflict.

If any of the BT novels I read as a kid kept me up at night, it was only in imagining how cool it would be to be a real mechwarrior.

I will agree some of that was the case with ROC novels, but the BC fiction started getting into some of the realism- the Sandoval who played with knives and got stuck in a rainy forest, trapped their by the surrounding Dracs, with bad food and little medical supplies.  I mean, we get shades of WWII Japanese POW treatment in a couple of sources IMO.

Always Faithful (to me) reminded me of some of the stories I heard about post-OIF Iraq that I thought it was linking that source material.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 23 June 2020, 12:31:30
So I think I have a month of reading materials and I'm quite chuffed

First Shrapnel haven't gotten to it yet but then just completed Divided We Fall got to say I really liked it.  Also bought hunt for Jardine back into BattleTech fiction with a bang

Then the Turning Point what a chaotic battle if you ever wanted a first succession war battle this is it for everyone

And finally the Recoignition Guide what a read mixing the old with the new and embracing the clan dominance that is coming i really enjoyed it
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 13:22:12
Do you mean this thread here? Or the new releases tab on the main page?

My fault, I meant to link to it and forgot.

Coming Releases. (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/)

I'll be updating it later today, after I get another announcement out. I need to remove some of the items that have already released, and update some others. I know it's not 100 pct up to date right now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 23 June 2020, 13:26:07
another announcement?

is this some form of canopian torture?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 15:12:34
another announcement?

is this some form of canopian torture?

Death...by snu snu.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 23 June 2020, 15:19:27
Waitminute...Grey Watch Protocol: The Highlander Covenant, Book One? The book being split up or is it being expanded into dualogy/mini-series?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 15:31:43
Update on TRO: Golden Century; Pre-Order Ghost Hour & Grey Watch Protocol

A few weeks ago, we laid out a full schedule of BattleTech product (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/) through this summer and early fall, and promised to update you if plans changed. We’d like to do that now, and let you know that we’ll be moving the release of Technical Readout: Golden Century back a few weeks.

Why the delay? Because we’ll be releasing it in both PDF and print-on-demand format.

We’ve been asked often over the last few years whether we’ll ever release landscape-format products such as Technical Readouts in print-on-demand format. It’s taken some time, but that capability is now available in a way that works for our products. If the print-on-demand process for Technical Readout: Golden Century proves successful, then other landscape-format products will be released the same way, including the upcoming Technical Readout: Irregulars and possibly even past products, such as the XTRO series.

We know this delay may come as a disappointment, but we felt it was better to offer print and digital versions of the product at the same time. As a bonus, all POD orders of Technical Readout: Golden Century will come with a free PDF copy of the product (the reverse will not be true; PDF orders will not include a POD copy).

And, we’re pleased to announce that Era Digest: Golden Century will also be available on POD the same day. This essential companion for TRO: Golden Century has never before been available in print.

We appreciate your patience–this book has been awhile in the making, but we want to ensure it’s available in whichever format you prefer. We’ll let you know its new release date as soon we have one.

And don’t worry–you won’t have to go a week without BattleTech! Taking Golden Century‘s place for release this Friday will be the e-book versions of Jenn Brozek’s Ghost Hour: Rogue Academy vol. 2 as well as Grey Watch Protocol: The Highlander Covenant vol. 1 (pre-order link), two exciting new fiction entries.

Pre-order Ghost Hour in e-pub. (https://books2read.com/BattleTechGhostHour)
Pre-order Grey Watch Protocol in Kindle e-pub. (https://books2read.com/BattleTechGreyWatchProtocol)

(A Print-On-Demand version of Ghost Hour should also be available on or about Friday, June 26.)

Finally, we’re on track to release Recognition Guide: ilClan vol. 2 on Friday, July 3 as planned. The first volume was very well-received, and we can’t wait to show you more.

(https://i.ibb.co/VD6vQgd/TRO-Golden-Century-display-cover.png) (https://ibb.co/ctqNC6P)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 15:33:01
Waitminute...Grey Watch Protocol: The Highlander Covenant, Book One? The book being split up or is it being expanded into dualogy/mini-series?

No, it's part one of a multi-part story called The Highlander Covenant. Same as it's always been.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 23 June 2020, 15:44:24
I assume the POD/PDF will be more expensive than the standard PDF since one has the option for both one does not?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 23 June 2020, 15:52:42
Well . . . I think I might get my first POD product now.  Keep forgetting to order House Arano lol.

Really excited for Grey Watch, thanks for getting it ready earlier to take the place.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 23 June 2020, 15:59:43
Well poop-on-a-stick!

Was going to get pdf TRO Golden Century this week!  :'(
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 23 June 2020, 16:08:08
If the the TRO Golden Century is being released by POD and the PDF being given for free...which venue is it being purchased from? CGL Store? Drive Thru?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 23 June 2020, 16:10:49
If the the TRO Golden Century is being released by POD and the PDF being given for free...which venue is it being purchased from? CGL Store? Drive Thru?

Presumably Drivethru as CGL don't offer POD on their webstore.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 16:17:25
Just for reference, the POD copy of House Arano I received from DriveThruRPG was awesome!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 23 June 2020, 16:21:57
Aw man.  I was hoping the rise of PoD would bring the fall of landscape books.  :'(

Oh well.  At least we're seeing releases again.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 16:26:46
I like the landscape format, all the more so now that widescreens are more common for computers...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 23 June 2020, 16:39:10
The pdf on its own is not free but is included free with the POD. That’s why we’re holding back the release, I know many people will jump on the PDF and we don’t want them to have buyers remorse when the POD is released. By holding back so it’s all released at once, you can decide if you really rather have the print book or just the pdf.

A heads up, TRO Irregulars may be similarly delayed, but we’ll know for sure when we’re closer to the release date.

We may very well be seeing the end of landscape format with the Recognition Guide.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 16:42:13
Yet another sign I'm a dinosaur...  :-\
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 16:43:04
I assume the POD/PDF will be more expensive than the standard PDF since one has the option for both one does not?

That's usually the way it goes. House Arano (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/277779/BattleTech-House-Arano-The-Aurigan-Coalition) was $14.99 in PDF and $25.00 in POD, but in that case the combo was $30.

If the the TRO Golden Century is being released by POD and the PDF being given for free...which venue is it being purchased from? CGL Store? Drive Thru?

I'll confirm before release day, but my strong guess is that offer would apply only to purchases made through DTRPG, since the CGL store does not currently support POD directly.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 16:48:28
For the record, that is completely appropriate pricing for pdf only/POD only/combo...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 17:11:13
For the record, that is completely appropriate pricing for pdf only/POD only/combo...  :thumbsup:

Consider the $5 off the combo a “thank you” for riding out this slight but beneficial delay.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 23 June 2020, 17:20:48
feels like this decision should have been made sometime before the announcement  I don't personally care about PoD some do but three days before the stated release date is just a bad, now we have to wait,  weeks longer not a good look at all.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 23 June 2020, 17:29:13
feels like this decision should have been made sometime before the announcement  I don't personally care about PoD some do but three days before the stated release date is just a bad, now we have to wait,  weeks longer not a good look at all.

The alternative is we go back to them never giving us any info until the day the book is released.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 23 June 2020, 17:31:30
The alternative is we go back to them never giving us any info until the day the book is released.

They did that for a reason, if you set a date try to stick to it not make major changes to the book days before you said it would be released.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 23 June 2020, 17:34:48
feels like this decision should have been made sometime before the announcement  I don't personally care about PoD some do but three days before the stated release date is just a bad, now we have to wait,  weeks longer not a good look at all.

There's no guarantee that this decision could have been made earlier. We don't know what went on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Orwell84 on 23 June 2020, 17:39:47
Thanks for the update Cubby, appreciated :thumbsup:

A mild disappointment re TRO:Golden Century but if that helps the business in the long run so be it. Looking forward to the Grey Watch Protocol novel this Friday.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 23 June 2020, 17:45:31
would have waited regardless for the PoD but bummed for people who wanted to get it on friday. this has been a long time coming
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Foxx Ital on 23 June 2020, 17:57:32
My manwich!! Was looking forward to golden century but what's a little longer? Plus I kinda wanna get it pod so this works out.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 18:02:51
The House Arano POD was very nice... seriously, pdf only people should give that option some consideration at least.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Foxx Ital on 23 June 2020, 18:08:22
The House Arano POD was very nice... seriously, pdf only people should give that option some consideration at least.  :thumbsup:
I've always preferred the feel and smell of paper myself. You can't accidently delete or have to make sure something is charged to read it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 23 June 2020, 18:12:16
I’ll tell you, we get absolutely nothing out of holding back the release. This is absolutely to make sure customers don’t wind up spending more than they intend to, and it’s completely my decision.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 18:18:06
And those are good decisions... please keep making those!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 23 June 2020, 18:20:36
I've always preferred the feel and smell of paper myself. You can't accidently delete or have to make sure something is charged to read it.

and I'm the opposite. if you put a gun to my head, I couldn't tell you the last time I smelled a book. But I can tell you the last time I used Control+F to find facts in a sourcebook (in an argument last night) and I can tell you that it's much nicer for me being able to read novels on my phone at lunch, without having to lug a book along and get it damaged.

I don't begrudge you, or anyone else having a preference.

But, that's the thing. I don't think there's a lot of fence-sitters. People have STRONG opinions on this, they REALLY want print products, or they really want PDF files, but I don't know many people who are uncertain.

So I'm disappointed that I have to wait, and personally get nothing of value out of the wait. But I appreciate that we were at least informed that it was going to happen, ahead of time. THAT much at least, is exactly what I've been hoping for, for the entirety of modern battletech fandom.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 23 June 2020, 18:27:10
Will the Grey Watch Protocol also be POD?  The announcement only said Ghost Hour will be also released as POD.

Psy
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Foxx Ital on 23 June 2020, 18:28:37
and I'm the opposite. if you put a gun to my head, I couldn't tell you the last time I smelled a book. But I can tell you the last time I used Control+F to find facts in a sourcebook (in an argument last night) and I can tell you that it's much nicer for me being able to read novels on my phone at lunch, without having to lug a book along and get it damaged.

I don't begrudge you, or anyone else having a preference.

But, that's the thing. I don't think there's a lot of fence-sitters. People have STRONG opinions on this, they REALLY want print products, or they really want PDF files, but I don't know many people who are uncertain.

So I'm disappointed that I have to wait, and personally get nothing of value out of the wait. But I appreciate that we were at least informed that it was going to happen, ahead of time. THAT much at least, is exactly what I've been hoping for, for the entirety of modern battletech fandom.

 
 Oh don't worry, when this comes out and we start playing you'll wish it was still delayed ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MyndkryM on 23 June 2020, 18:32:37
I've always preferred the feel and smell of paper myself. You can't accidently delete or have to make sure something is charged to read it.

I too do like having a book, but purchasing the PDF versions from CGL has been a pretty positive experience. I can re-download anything I've purchased, and getting emails about available updated versions is really nice.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 23 June 2020, 18:44:23
Yet another sign I'm a dinosaur...  :-\

Rawr!

(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/847095706297158759/055ABEE1A53E3D9CD35527371ADDEED4A78D0257/)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 23 June 2020, 18:50:41
LOL!  I'm not THAT angry, but no, I don't touch type...  ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 23 June 2020, 18:51:03

We may very well be seeing the end of landscape format with the Recognition Guide.

Thats sad.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 23 June 2020, 19:13:28
I assume the POD/PDF will be more expensive than the standard PDF since one has the option for both one does not?
The Destiny RPG wasn't more expensive in Book/PDF bundle. so why should this be?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 23 June 2020, 19:30:37
LOL!  I'm not THAT angry, but no, I don't touch type...  ^-^

Nah just i.I'm a dinosaur as well 🦕
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Deadborder on 23 June 2020, 19:34:11
I have a mixed bag of feelings on this. Downside is that it's a delay. Upside is that I can actually take a break from drawing MegaMek sprites for a moment
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: klarg1 on 23 June 2020, 21:31:50
We may very well be seeing the end of landscape format with the Recognition Guide.

I was actually a bit surprised to see Golden Century and the recognition guides come out in Landscape. I'll am perfectly happy with either layout. We've already had many portrait-style TRO-like entries in other products which worked out fine.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 23 June 2020, 21:45:22
The recognition guide was a welcome update to how designs are published, and of course I always look forward to new TROs, but for me the fall will be when the new fun begins. I love the idea of Historicals and OTPs supported by Touring the Stars and unit profiles.

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 23 June 2020, 21:46:02
I prefer the landscape format.  Its sad it's ending, but i'm glad to have the books in print.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 21:52:01
Will the Grey Watch Protocol also be POD?  The announcement only said Ghost Hour will be also released as POD.

Psy

Still trying to get a clear answer there. Not sure, but I wasn’t going to hold the entire announcement up for that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 June 2020, 21:56:44
The Destiny RPG wasn't more expensive in Book/PDF bundle. so why should this be?

The question, as I took it, was whether the POD+PDF would cost more than the PDF alone. Safe to say it will. The Destiny PDF alone is $14.99. The Book+PDF is $39.99.

Also, remember that those prices were on the CGL store, not DriveThruRPG like Golden Century will be; and that Destiny saw a “true” print run, and was not a POD. Both of those facts have effects on the pricing and profit numbers.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 23 June 2020, 22:35:40
I've always preferred the feel and smell of paper myself. You can't accidently delete or have to make sure something is charged to read it.

PDFs don't look very cool on my bookshelf with the rest of the collection...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: StoryReader on 24 June 2020, 00:27:38
As for the YA novels; I am giving them a shot.
I haven't read the first book in this current trilogy yet, but I did read The Nellus Academy Incident and I liked it.  I wasn't totally sure what to expect from a "YA" book, but it was all good.  In fact, it had a higher body count among the point-of-view "good guy" characters than I've usually come to expect in BattleTech fiction.

...the BC fiction started getting into some of the realism- the Sandoval who played with knives and got stuck in a rainy forest, trapped their by the surrounding Dracs, with bad food and little medical supplies.  I mean, we get shades of WWII Japanese POW treatment in a couple of sources IMO.
Great example of a story on the more adult end of the spectrum...that story "Epaulet Mate" was a gritty, gripping, and just harsh story...like a slap in the face.  Heavy drug use in there as well.  I'd love that whole series to be bundled as a POD.  Phaedra Weldon was one of my favourite BattleCorps authors.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 24 June 2020, 08:53:50
Enjoyed those stories myself.

At the same time, I started Battletech at a much younger age so I get who the target audience is with some of the newer stories.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 24 June 2020, 09:19:35
Puzzle order on the 12th . . . waiting for the shipping notice- impatiently, lol.  Also need to get 5 18x24 frames ready.

So next Friday, Stone Rhino- anyone want to make guesses on who might be producing it in 3150?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 24 June 2020, 09:32:01
My favorite part of the YA fiction is that I've got nieces and nephews just reaching their teenage years - gonna be time to spread the madness... 8)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: klarg1 on 24 June 2020, 15:34:34
My favorite part of the YA fiction is that I've got nieces and nephews just reaching their teenage years - gonna be time to spread the madness... 8)

I'm pretty sure that is precisely the idea.  :beer:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 24 June 2020, 15:58:04
And don’t worry–you won’t have to go a week without BattleTech! Taking Golden Century‘s place for release this Friday will be the e-book versions of Jenn Brozek’s Ghost Hour: Rogue Academy vol. 2 as well as Grey Watch Protocol: The Highlander Covenant vol. 1 (pre-order link), two exciting new fiction entries.

Pre-order Ghost Hour in e-pub. (https://books2read.com/BattleTechGhostHour)
Pre-order Grey Watch Protocol in Kindle e-pub. (https://books2read.com/BattleTechGreyWatchProtocol)

(A Print-On-Demand version of Ghost Hour should also be available on or about Friday, June 26.)
I'm seeing "Paperback" availability for BOTH novels.  Is that correct?   ??? 

Or is this Amazon jumping the gun?  I've heard they do that every now and then.   :-\
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Post by: Sartris on 24 June 2020, 17:41:16
both appear available in PoD as of today
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: beachhead1985 on 24 June 2020, 19:24:16
My fault, I meant to link to it and forgot.

Coming Releases. (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/)

I'll be updating it later today, after I get another announcement out. I need to remove some of the items that have already released, and update some others. I know it's not 100 pct up to date right now.

Thank you very much.

As badly as I want TRO: Golden Century as well, my pocketbook thanks you.

In addition the POD/Free PDF deal sounds really great as well. I will be going for that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 24 June 2020, 21:59:48
I'm thankful the releases are all planned for the same day of the week. It now means there are more days in the week than blursday. Now there are 5 blursdays, almost TRO day and TRO day  :thumbsup:

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 25 June 2020, 02:38:40

So next Friday, Stone Rhino- anyone want to make guesses on who might be producing it in 3150?

Someone who’s going to be raided so I can pilot one.  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 02:54:48
I think we will see it with the Horses or Bears . . . Bears production was pretty hidden since they were hibernating so they might end up with it since we did not see a lot of designs for them come out of MWDA.  Horses ended up with a lot of Jaguar production like the Xerxes, so they could have ended up with that data core.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 25 June 2020, 08:51:36
To answer the question legitimately, I was thinking Sea Fox. The original is an older second line design that uses standard engine, armor and internals. Would be very easy to be produced as is or be improved upon.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 09:19:00
Sure, they did a whole bunch of that with the Marauder IIC & Warhammer IIC series going into the Jihad . . . but that timing is what makes me think they might not be the ones.  If they had the plans we would probably have seen it sooner out of them- part of the reason I go with the Bears, they had enough probably from sparing with the Jags.  Throw on that the production they did get during the Jihad and after has them with just the Viking IIC & a Warhammer IIC IIRC as a secondline assault outside of the Kodiak.  They had the Arcas, Ryoken II, Grizzly 2, some of the new Riflemen IIC, Ursus, Ursus II, Beowulf IIC, Locust IIC, imported Solitaires, and a few more but were lacking in the assault weight.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 09:32:36
Anyone gotten a shipping notice on the puzzles?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 25 June 2020, 09:39:01
Nope
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 25 June 2020, 11:18:22
I think we will see it with the Horses or Bears . . . Bears production was pretty hidden since they were hibernating so they might end up with it since we did not see a lot of designs for them come out of MWDA.  Horses ended up with a lot of Jaguar production like the Xerxes, so they could have ended up with that data core.

Checking the MUL, if it's a refit of the original model then that'd pretty firmly make it a Raven design, which I'd be pretty OK with.
It fits pretty well with their design philosophy as well, especially if those double gausses become HAGs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 25 June 2020, 12:38:39
As a bonus, all POD orders of Technical Readout: Golden Century will come with a free PDF copy of the product

The free PDF copy might be what starts me buying physical BT books again.

Well, that and seeing what shipping for POD products is like in the UK.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 25 June 2020, 12:46:10
Anyone gotten a shipping notice on the puzzles?

From the original announcement (https://bg.battletech.com/products/announcing-battletech-foil-puzzles-and-foil-posters/): Expected ship date is 7/1/20.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 13:43:44
From the original announcement (https://bg.battletech.com/products/announcing-battletech-foil-puzzles-and-foil-posters/): Expected ship date is 7/1/20.

Yeah, but folks were talking about getting sourcebooks shipping at 2 weeks, so I was wondering if anyone had started getting them.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 25 June 2020, 13:49:39
i think that was just me. tacops was about two weeks between order and reception. the next order a few days later with destiny and tro jihad had a total turnaround of less than a week
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 25 June 2020, 15:11:01
Yeah, but folks were talking about getting sourcebooks shipping at 2 weeks, so I was wondering if anyone had started getting them.

My sense is that they weren't going to start shipping until 7/1
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 15:14:09
Np . . . I just eagerly look for it to show up at my office.  I need more poster frames anyway . . .
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: dgorsman on 25 June 2020, 15:18:14
To answer the question legitimately, I was thinking Sea Fox. The original is an older second line design that uses standard engine, armor and internals. Would be very easy to be produced as is or be improved upon.

Not as-is, anyways.  Very little profit margin to be had on basic tech.  And with standard engines, structure, and armor available for purchase pretty much anywhere, and not much dependence on high-tech ammunition, there isn't much to bind clients as repeat customers.  Reskin with ferro-lam, drop in a double-XL engine, replace the gauss with streak LRMS, now you're talking a Shark/Fox design.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 16:34:24
Not as-is, anyways.  Very little profit margin to be had on basic tech.  And with standard engines, structure, and armor available for purchase pretty much anywhere, and not much dependence on high-tech ammunition, there isn't much to bind clients as repeat customers.  Reskin with ferro-lam, drop in a double-XL engine, replace the gauss with streak LRMS, now you're talking a Shark/Fox design.

Except it has to match the Invasion art- which did not have missiles.  Do we have a HAG version yet?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 25 June 2020, 17:12:22
no HAG behemoth. but the existing variants are a super weird collection based on where it started

2 - heavy laser battery, gauss
3 - 4 LPL, 2 ATM-9
4 - 2 UAC/10, 4 LRM-10
5 - 4 LB-5, 6 ERML
6 - 14 MPL
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pinetree on 25 June 2020, 17:23:40
The free PDF copy might be what starts me buying physical BT books again.

Well, that and seeing what shipping for POD products is like in the UK.
DTRPG PODs ship from the UK iirc so it shouldn't be too bad.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 17:54:50
no HAG behemoth. but the existing variants are a super weird collection based on where it started

2 - heavy laser battery, gauss
3 - 4 LPL, 2 ATM-9
4 - 2 UAC/10, 4 LRM-10
5 - 4 LB-5, 6 ERML
6 - 14 MPL

So . . . will we get one like the original, just with a pair of HAGs instead of regular Gauss?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 25 June 2020, 18:05:35
Or maybe ER Pulse Lasers?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 25 June 2020, 18:10:09
Yeah, I just looked at it . . . it would also be fun to revisit Osteon style- Ferro-Lam armor & reinforced structure.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 25 June 2020, 18:19:16
With basic everything there is room to add weight saving tech and more creative goodies. Can’t wait to see what they put out!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 June 2020, 10:28:54
*just downloaded Grey Watch Protocol*

I know what I am reading over lunch!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 26 June 2020, 12:15:37
DTRPG PODs ship from the UK iirc so it shouldn't be too bad.

Thank you. I'll take a look.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 26 June 2020, 13:13:52
*just downloaded Grey Watch Protocol*

I know what I am reading over lunch!
It looks like it is available as POD via Amazon, so I got my ordered and it should be delivered on the 30th, which is perfect timing, since I should finish reading Shell Games on the same day.

Psy
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 26 June 2020, 13:18:39
So . . . Canopian units are participating in the Capellan's offensive against the Republic?  Had we gotten word they had called in Canopian troops as part of their alliance?  I know the Capellans and Canopians (maybe?) where involved in ending Oriente-Andurien's tiff after the Republic's black flag op.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 26 June 2020, 14:44:33
I have refreshed this page more times than is healthy looking for the second entry in the Recognition Guides...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 26 June 2020, 14:57:17
Next Friday.

Every other week.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 26 June 2020, 15:04:39
Was it stated what the revised date for TRO:GC is?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 26 June 2020, 15:05:50
Next Friday.

Every other week.

That's a lot of refreshing
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2020, 16:08:31
Was it stated what the revised date for TRO:GC is?

A couple weeks was what we got
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 26 June 2020, 18:13:11
Today two novels are released for Battletech

Jennifer Brozek's second book in the "Rogue Academy Trilogy, "Ghost Hour" releases today in digital, and Print on Demand through Amazon.

https://books2read.com/BattleTechGhostHour (https://books2read.com/BattleTechGhostHour)

"CADETS UNDER FIRE…
Jasper and Nadine Roux are cadets at the Ritza MechWarrior Academy…the only thing stopping a megalomaniacal Draconis Combine general with aspirations of claiming a piece of space as his own—starting with their home planet. Emporia is at war, and cadets are now frontline soldiers as Tai-sa Takeji Yoshizawa shifts tactics in a brutal effort to subjugate their entire world.
It’s up to the siblings and their friends to stop the madman bent on conquest, but while Jasper believes Nadine is too reckless, Nadine believes Jasper is still living in the past. As both struggle to do what they think is right, the Ritza Academy comes under assault once more. It takes a shocking sacrifice to make them both see the true face of the enemy.
Reunited by the same purpose, Jasper agrees to Nadine’s audacious plan to make Emporia too much trouble for the leader of the Seventh Ghost Regiment to conquer. Unfortunately for them, Tai-sa Yoshizawa has his own secrets, and nothing left to lose. And even if Nadine’s plan works to perfection, the cunning general has one last trick up his sleeve that could bring about the end of everything Nadine and Jasper hold dear…"

(https://i.ibb.co/Tkf8hBy/51-w53-Gv7-OL-SX316-SY316.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tkf8hBy)

Second, first time Battletech novelist Michael Ciaravella's "Grey Watch Protocol", first in the "Highlander Covenant" duology is also available today as digital, or, through Amazon, Print on Demand.

https://books2read.com/BattleTechGreyWatchProtocol (https://books2read.com/BattleTechGreyWatchProtocol)

"SURROUNDED BY THE ENEMY…�

In the 32nd century, the Republic of the Sphere is beset on all sides, its enemies seeking the most important weapon in the Inner Sphere: interstellar communication. As the forces of the Capellan Confederation advance toward the heart of the crumbling Republic, they are laser-focused on the one goal that will give them the upper hand and destroy the Republic once and for all: the planet of Northwind.

Homeworld of the famed Northwind Highlanders mercenaries, Northwind is not only the site of a century-old betrayal, it also boasts the only working hyperpulse generator along the line of the Confederation’s advance. Sang-shao Lindsey Baxter and the Fourth McCarron’s Armored Cavalry have been tasked with taking Northwind at all costs, and the besieged Republic is unable to lend further support to the defending XII Hastati Sentinels. Northwind will be easy pickings, and other sharks smell blood in the water. The Highlanders’ honor remains strong, but will it be enough to survive the coming storm."

“If you’re looking for the originally planned release of Technical Readout: Golden Century, please see this recent update on its current status and our exciting plans to offer it in print!"

(https://i.ibb.co/X7TSDJb/560px-cctycte134s70bmik9kd7dyyyzvsqwm.png) (https://ibb.co/X7TSDJb)

https://bg.battletech.com/news/update-on-tro-golden-century-pre-order-ghost-hour-grey-watch-protocol/ (https://bg.battletech.com/news/update-on-tro-golden-century-pre-order-ghost-hour-grey-watch-protocol/)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 26 June 2020, 18:34:02
It looks like it is available as POD via Amazon, so I got my ordered and it should be delivered on the 30th, which is perfect timing, since I should finish reading Shell Games on the same day.

Psy


Don't buy the used copy for twice the price of the new copy!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2020, 18:43:20
Yeah make sure you’re paying $12-14 from amazon (the novellas are $10 I think)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 26 June 2020, 20:07:15
Was it stated what the revised date for TRO:GC is?

Not yet
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 26 June 2020, 20:40:00
Was it stated what the revised date for TRO:GC is?

at this point this book is so cursed, I will not belive any release date until it hits the store.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2020, 20:42:09
it's not quite ilclan or IO-level cursed yet
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 26 June 2020, 23:15:31
Have to admit, I was a bit disappointed in the Goliath C art.   :-\   Yes, it looks Nice, but it's just a PP/Reseen Goliath with a turret on it.  I was thinking/Hoping it would be a Classic Redesign.   :'(

We've been teased with a Classic Scorpion leg.  Will the Goliath be getting Classic treatment also?   ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 26 June 2020, 23:32:46
The remaining osts and quads will get their day in the sun eventually
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 27 June 2020, 00:08:34
Have to admit, I was a bit disappointed in the Goliath C art.   :-\   Yes, it looks Nice, but it's just a PP/Reseen Goliath with a turret on it.
But…that’s what it is.

We've been teased with a Classic Scorpion leg.  Will the Goliath be getting Classic treatment also?   ???
Yes.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 27 June 2020, 01:39:41
Question on the Rogue Academy dates - the first novel was set in 3150, the second in 3155, but the characters in book two refer to the events of the first one as taking place a few days earlier.  Which book has the wrong date?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Foxx Ital on 27 June 2020, 02:29:32
Oh no!! Not, THEIR HOME PLANET!! Do they dare refuse the combines batchal!!
 Once the move is settled I plan on going on a Pod spree.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 27 June 2020, 03:37:31
Question on the Rogue Academy dates - the first novel was set in 3150, the second in 3155, but the characters in book two refer to the events of the first one as taking place a few days earlier.  Which book has the wrong date?

I popped this into the "Ask the Writers" about 20mins after digital release but nobody has replied yet.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69963.0 (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69963.0)

The preview for book three also uses 3155.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 27 June 2020, 08:30:09
at this point this book is so cursed, I will not belive any release date until it hits the store.

It's almost through layout now. A couple weeks to get set up in POD, and it'll be out. Hardly cursed.

But, I get it. TRO:GC been listed as "upcoming" for a very long time. But it simply was not being actively developed or moved through the process for much of that time, for a variety of reasons. One of the things I'm trying to instill in our communications, including the recent State of the Game update and release schedules, is to not announce anything that isn't "real"--which I define as, "in active development, not a glimmer in your eye or an idea on a napkin for someday."

Hinting at things that are far over the horizon is an easy way to drive "excitement" (and rumors, and speculation, and unfounded fears...). But it's just as easy for that excitement to curdle into frustration and resentment when those hinted-at products never materialize. It's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 27 June 2020, 17:51:30
Okay i forget, was OTP Tukayyid mentioned somewhere? Or did my brain make it up? Or something like that perhaps?
EDIT Wait, am i thinking of that Kickstarter "Chaos Campaign: The Battle of Tukayyid" thing?

Also, what about the KS scenarios and other bonus stuff?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 27 June 2020, 18:05:13
You are
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 27 June 2020, 18:15:05
You are
Figured why. You are the reason (lol).
This section specifically, from your "New Stuff, categorized" thread.
Turning Points & Chaos Campaigns
TP Tyrfing (June 12)
OTP Hanseatic Crusade (August 7)
Chaos Campaign: Battle of Tukayyid (Q4+)
My brain mashed up those to "OTP Tukayyid".
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 27 June 2020, 18:16:24
I’m guessing there isn’t a huge difference between an OTP and CC.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 27 June 2020, 18:19:31
I'd assume Chaos Campaign is more general, whereas (O)TPs are more detailed or focused on certain places.
CC:SW is pretty general.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 27 June 2020, 19:34:32
Well, i downloaded Grey Watch Protocol to my phone.  I will read it slowly, which i am very grateful for new fiction.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 27 June 2020, 19:42:52
I'd assume Chaos Campaign is more general, whereas (O)TPs are more detailed or focused on certain places.
CC:SW is pretty general.

I was worried that was what they meant when they first called it Chaos Campaign: Tukayyid as well.  Fortunately, limiting the detail was not what that meant :).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 28 June 2020, 01:30:26
I'd assume Chaos Campaign is more general, whereas (O)TPs are more detailed or focused on certain places.
CC:SW is pretty general.

Turning Points are simply smaller. They are $ 5 PDF products. And, since nckestrel spoilered the page size of the dev version elsewhere: CC Tukayyid has ~ 200 pages in its current development state. You simply cannot sell something like this as a $ 5 PDF product ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 28 June 2020, 02:01:33
4/5 the size of total chaos. Then add art and formatting.

Screw it, I'm getting it PDF and paper, if only to encourage such products in the future.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 28 June 2020, 03:42:16
4/5 the size of total chaos. Then add art and formatting.

Screw it, I'm getting it PDF and paper, if only to encourage such products in the future.

Formatting will probably lower the page count, but art will add a few pages, too. Might actually be a wash. Editing could also cut out some fat, so please take the above number with caution, it may vary either way. What I was trying to say is: the main difference between a Chaos Campaign book and a Turning Point is size. Even OTPs are nowhere near as big as Chaos Campaign books.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 28 June 2020, 04:22:28
Yeah, that’s pages in Word. I have no idea how that will translate to pages in the final product. They are quite different things.  But there will be much more than the ~30 pages of CC:Succession War. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 28 June 2020, 04:36:45
We're suffering from a severe lack of consistent data-points here.

S&D and W&B are 110 and 130 pages respectively, and maybe 40 of that is actual missions and rules, the rest being fleshing out the units and record sheets.

The era reports were a bit bigger, but more general use than CC specific; ER:52 was about 35 pages of CC stuff, the rest being a pile of profiles, RPG stuff, and background

Shattered Fortress is 11-13 pages of touchpoints

Total Chaos is 250 pages, with sidebars making up most of the stuff not scenarios and rules.



So CC Tukayyid could've be anywhere from the 33 page Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars or 9 page BattleTech: Chaos Campaign Rules to the density of Total Chaos.

Hopefully there is less aerospace/battleship stuff in Tukayyid than Total Chaos, that would make up for a lesser page count.

edit - Headhunted by elementals
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 28 June 2020, 07:03:59
Wait wait wait, CC:BoT is big? Wow, now i'm extremely interested. I mean i was interested before, figured it would be awesome with the Tukayyid map pack and all the 'Mechs. But that it is far bigger and presumably detailed too? Wow.

I need to get around assembling and painting my Star League 'Mech minis, so that i have opfor ready when the KS minis arrive.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 28 June 2020, 08:01:18
Hopefully there is less aerospace/battleship stuff in Tukayyid than Total Chaos, that would make up for a lesser page count.

edit - Headhunted by elementals

Well, it's Tukayyid.
How much Aerospace combat was there?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 28 June 2020, 08:30:37
Well, it's Tukayyid.
How much Aerospace combat was there?

None in orbit, but the Stackpole book showed scenes of Clan Wolf and ComGuard fighters fighting for air superiority over the battlefields.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 June 2020, 08:39:44
Turning Points are simply smaller. They are $ 5 PDF products. And, since nckestrel spoilered the page size of the dev version elsewhere: CC Tukayyid has ~ 200 pages in its current development state. You simply cannot sell something like this as a $ 5 PDF product ;)

That’s uh. Far more extensive than anticipated
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Atlas3060 on 28 June 2020, 11:26:50
I'm just glad Tukayyid is getting more attention in the Chaos Campaign field.
Era Report 3052 had some nice Touchpoint moments, but this is one of THE battles that shaped history.
So I'll easily snag that release.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 28 June 2020, 13:26:39
I'm just glad Tukayyid is getting more attention in the Chaos Campaign field.
Era Report 3052 had some nice Touchpoint moments, but this is one of THE battles that shaped history.
So I'll easily snag that release.

I am glad it is getting some attention most because the 1994 scenario book somehow has never managed to strike me as very good.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tukayyid_(scenario_pack) (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tukayyid_(scenario_pack))
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 28 June 2020, 13:55:59
I am glad it is getting some attention most because the 1994 scenario book somehow has never managed to strike me as very good.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tukayyid_(scenario_pack) (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tukayyid_(scenario_pack))

Might be, because it isn't ;)
CC Tukayyid is gonna be better :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 June 2020, 14:07:54
I am glad it is getting some attention most because the 1994 scenario book somehow has never managed to strike me as very good.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tukayyid_(scenario_pack) (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tukayyid_(scenario_pack))

 . . . yeah, the 25+ real years of universe development- more SL mechs, Royals, Clan secondline, more SL vehicles- has nothing to do with it?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 28 June 2020, 14:45:04
Looking forward to a bunch of scenarios to take maximum advantage of the quirks of those gorgeous maps!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 28 June 2020, 15:04:54
Looking forward to a bunch of scenarios to take maximum advantage of the quirks of those gorgeous maps!   :thumbsup:

The real reason for CC:Tukayyid.  Something to do with those maps and minis other than just put them on display :).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 28 June 2020, 16:20:15
Wait, you mean you can play a game with them too?

 ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 28 June 2020, 16:27:22
Wait, you mean you can play a game with them too?

 ;D

Yes, this isn't Warhammer ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 June 2020, 17:32:07
. . . yeah, the 25+ real years of universe development- more SL mechs, Royals, Clan secondline, more SL vehicles- has nothing to do with it?

For me it’s the CC system scalability. Most of those old scenario pack missions were too big for the time I had to play
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 28 June 2020, 17:58:51
Wait, you mean you can play a game with them too?

 ;D


It's an option but not required...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 28 June 2020, 18:15:13

It's an option but not required...

If I didn’t have so many posters coming already, I’d be tempted to mount one of the map sheets.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 28 June 2020, 18:33:17
For me it’s the CC system scalability. Most of those old scenario pack missions were too big for the time I had to play

Seconded. A lot of them just can't be played in an afternoon unless it's on Megamek.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 28 June 2020, 20:58:30
And some *cough* The Falcon And The Wolf *cough* not even then.

Some of the scenarios in that product couldn't be finished in a day even using Alpha Strike rules!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 28 June 2020, 21:02:25
Either we are thinking of different products when we say "Scenario book" or I have been severely mislead somehow, because my prior complaint about the old FASA era "Scenario Books" was that they were all reduced down to like 3-4 mechs a side, no matter how big the depicted conflict was, and I felt ripped off. O_o
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 28 June 2020, 21:04:13
You have been misled it seems.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 June 2020, 21:33:11
No, I know you could adjust the sides somewhat on F&W . . . but both IIRC had scaling b/c Tukayyid had the best IS vs Clan adjustments for bidding IMO with the problem it did not account for BA on either side or vehicles on the Clan side.  Used a improved system for Clan commanders to bid against each other to face a IS force.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 28 June 2020, 21:40:10
The first fasa era book that came to my hand was black thorns. There are a couple company level fights in there, but most are smaller or asymetric. I'm going to have to study it for ideas.

The second was Luthien. Aerotech, aerotech, battletroops, company on trinary, compay w/air elements on 4 stars, 3 stars w/2 elemental stars on three lances, and so on.

Yeah,  Fasa could do large battles, although balance is obviously questionable on some of them.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 June 2020, 21:46:15
Either we are thinking of different products when we say "Scenario book" or I have been severely mislead somehow, because my prior complaint about the old FASA era "Scenario Books" was that they were all reduced down to like 3-4 mechs a side, no matter how big the depicted conflict was, and I felt ripped off. O_o

This describes the minority of them after say... twycross? Even before that a lot of the oldest ones like snord’s had multiple lances per side The later ones especially like twilight of the clans and the dragon roars has mostly extensive engagements. Battlepack: 4th succession war and first strike were explicitly designed as beginner products so were smaller in scope. Op Stiletto and Op Flashpoint were predecessors of the chaos campaign rules and had flexible deployments
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 28 June 2020, 23:30:08
Either we are thinking of different products when we say "Scenario book" or I have been severely mislead somehow, because my prior complaint about the old FASA era "Scenario Books" was that they were all reduced down to like 3-4 mechs a side, no matter how big the depicted conflict was, and I felt ripped off. O_o

The only scenario I can think of that applies to is the Great Refusal in Twilight of the Clans, where it was literally reduced from 12 on 10 to 2 on 2.  Almost every other scenario based on a fight from one of the novels either accurately describes the forces from the story, or increased them, or kept them roughly the same.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 28 June 2020, 23:44:42
It has been years since I bothered with any of them, and the Great Refusal book IS the one that stuck at the forefront of my mind. perhaps I've just remembered the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 29 June 2020, 00:22:05
My first scenario book(and one of my first Battletech products at all) was Coventry. I've owned that book for decades, but I still haven't played a single one of the fights in it due to how big they are.

I am a HUGE fan of how scalable the Chaos Campaigns are.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Alexander Knight on 29 June 2020, 06:16:23
I was worried that was what they meant when they first called it Chaos Campaign: Tukayyid as well.  Fortunately, limiting the detail was not what that meant :).

I'm just sad my contribution got cut.  Ah well, better luck next time.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 29 June 2020, 11:50:30

Don't buy the used copy for twice the price of the new copy!
I didn't.  Order came out to $12 and some change.  Should be delivered today.

Psy
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 29 June 2020, 15:35:49
So it's Monday.  Is it too early to be excited for RG:i volume II?

Wonder which unseen will be featured?   :drool:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 29 June 2020, 16:11:04
So it's Monday.  Is it too early to be excited for RG:i volume II?

Wonder which unseen will be featured?   :drool:

I’m ready! I’m ready! I’m ready!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 29 June 2020, 18:19:50
But…that’s what it is.
Yes.

YAY!

 ;D

 :beer:  :clap:

Ya'll can't see me doing it, but you can now imagine me doing 'The Happy Dance".  ;D   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 29 June 2020, 19:16:48
So it's Monday.  Is it too early to be excited for RG:i volume II?

Wonder which unseen will be featured?   :drool:


the Marauder!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 29 June 2020, 20:13:54
We already know the SERO is the main unit in II.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 29 June 2020, 21:18:33
Sero? Where was this mentioned?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 29 June 2020, 21:51:41
Sero? Where was this mentioned?

Its the cover of iRC II as seen by the page.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 29 June 2020, 21:53:48
the Marauder!
not yet. Literally just assigned the Mad, Mad II, and the IIC right before I popped on here.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 29 June 2020, 22:07:05
not yet. Literally just assigned the Mad, Mad II, and the IIC right before I popped on here.


It was two people with Marauder for their username, I couldn't resist...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 29 June 2020, 22:10:02
We already know the SERO is the main unit in II.

The heck is a SERO?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 29 June 2020, 22:12:53
StonE RhinO?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 29 June 2020, 22:38:39
The heck is a SERO?

Sorry, yeah its the reporting name on MM . . . or it was, I have not faced one in years and did not pay attention to the one just posted in a MM screen shot recently.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 30 June 2020, 01:19:28
When does Vol. II become available for purchase? I know it releases Friday, but when will I be able to throw money at Catalyst for it?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 30 June 2020, 04:23:14
When does Vol. II become available for purchase? I know it releases Friday, but when will I be able to throw money at Catalyst for it?

Friday, would be my best guess ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: hf22 on 30 June 2020, 06:20:55
Did you all notice that Grey Watch Protocol referred to "grognards" in-universe. :D

Plus the author appears to have been a pretty big fan of the "Proving Grounds Trilogy", which is a rare diamond indeed among the fandom  :thumbsup: (I never got why they got such a bad rap, but they certainly never seemed beloved).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 30 June 2020, 06:34:36
The trilogy was that bad. Though it was not as bad as 'Ruins of Paper Power' which is by far the worst book in the MWDA series of novels.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 30 June 2020, 07:00:00
Plus the author appears to have been a pretty big fan of the "The Proving Grounds Trilogy"

What makes you think that? Didn't get around to read Grey Watch, yet.


(I never got why they got such a bad rap, but they certainly never seemed beloved).

Mechs died from heat death after moving their little toe, Terra was only defended by a single old warrior who forgot which way to put on his trousers, so the heroes had to come and protect Terra from a single lance of attacking BattleMechs (which shouldn't really be a danger in the Proving Grounds trilogy, because we already established, Mechs die from heat death after moving their little finger)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 30 June 2020, 07:04:05
I rather just ignore the Proving Ground Trilogy faults and move on, it's far from the first bad BT story and I usually have little trouble forgetting about it until it's brought up here.

Did you all notice that Grey Watch Protocol referred to "grognards" in-universe. :D

If I remember correctly, Grognard was originally a term for a grumpy old soldier before it was adopted by wargamers so not too out of place.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 30 June 2020, 07:41:26
not yet. Literally just assigned the Mad, Mad II, and the IIC right before I popped on here.

Odd, my in-box is strangely empty....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: hf22 on 30 June 2020, 07:42:58
What makes you think that? Didn't get around to read Grey Watch, yet.

It spends much of its length referencing the events and characters of those books. Plus it has a real deliberate Dark Age novel feel in its structure and atmosphere.

If I remember correctly, Grognard was originally a term for a grumpy old soldier before it was adopted by wargamers so not too out of place.

Yes, it's used in that sense, though with an implied out of universe double meaning.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 30 June 2020, 08:14:39
It spends much of its length referencing the events and characters of those books. Plus it has a real deliberate Dark Age novel feel in its structure and atmosphere.

Ah. Well, the novels are canon and they are Highlander novels. So, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Jaim Magnus on 30 June 2020, 08:21:41
It spends much of its length referencing the events and characters of those books. Plus it has a real deliberate Dark Age novel feel in its structure and atmosphere.

Only got 40 pages in before setting it aside. Wasn't getting into it. Might try again later.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 30 June 2020, 09:19:17
not yet. Literally just assigned the Mad, Mad II, and the IIC right before I popped on here.


Does this mean all three are going to be in the same one?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 June 2020, 09:27:13
It spends much of its length referencing the events and characters of those books. Plus it has a real deliberate Dark Age novel feel in its structure and atmosphere.

Yes, it's used in that sense, though with an implied out of universe double meaning.

Huh?  Not sure how you get that MWDA novels had a specific structure . . . but considering IIRC there have been 4 novels all about Northwind and another 3 or 4 that have portions of the story on planet, then it would make to reference things in those books.  I caught more references to Pardoe's earlier Highlander novels.  While the Proving Ground trilogy sucked, they also referred to Pardoe's books and I think bits from the Highlanders scenario book.

The book had a few interesting 'state of the IS' drops-

Canopians are joining with Capellan forces w/o formally having declared war or the invocation of the treaty
Unity Treaty (CC-DC) has established one 'team' which might be why Stone reached out to Julian
The Hikage section implies there had been a few cooperative interactions but it was not a true alliance
The Highlanders of the MWDA have been ground down to a reinforced battalion- despite Northwind & NMA being behind the Fortress
Tara Campbell is finally lost her idealism of the Republic and worship of Stone
Stone has taken on a bunch of younger paladins as his close advisors- we already knew Janella Lakewood, but Gareth Sinclair seems to be in that circle
Cappies' military strength is about tapped out holding what they have- also explains Stone's aid to Julian
Dracs do not seem as interested in taking Terra as other powers
Northwind was exempted from Stone's population shuffles


Other headscratcher bits . . .
IMO, Capellans imply & buy into the 'Northwind made a agreement with Blakists' conspiracy theory (or is it conspiracy theory . . ?)

How did grandfather's upgraded Marauder go from being his to hidden away- he should have had to come of age at the end of the Jihad, but talked about being excited to put ERPPCs in place of his -3R's PPCs.  Which means he was piloting it before 3050 . . . which gives us 120-ish year old Seamus Casey?  Then again a 'subordinate' was supposed to have fought with Jaffray on Wildcat in . . . '58?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 30 June 2020, 10:53:09
When does Vol. II become available for purchase? I know it releases Friday, but when will I be able to throw money at Catalyst for it?

Ray said they'd try to release them around 2:00 pm EST.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 30 June 2020, 11:26:43
Vol 2 is out this Friday, when does the Golden Century come out again?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 30 June 2020, 11:48:24
Vol 2 is out this Friday, when does the Golden Century come out again?

No new release date was given after the delay announcement
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 30 June 2020, 13:10:19
Kind of a multi-tease here (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=246.msg1625903#msg1625903)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 June 2020, 13:46:34
Sojourner (thanks Kit)- Heavy 4/6 Omni with SC or MASC . . .

 . . . makes me think of a Seeker or perhaps Spirit Cat inspired name.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 30 June 2020, 13:47:21
Grey Watch Protocol (and subsequent books of the Highlander Covenant) unfortunately suffers from the same problem as Shell Games. If you've read Shattered Fortress, you already know the story and how it's going to end. We'll learn some little details, but already know the major plot points.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 30 June 2020, 13:49:12
Sojourner (thanks Kit)- Heavy 4/6 Omni with SC or MASC . . .

 . . . makes me think of a Seeker or perhaps Spirit Cat inspired name.

And the Naja, which seems to be descended from the Kintaro, going by the model number.

Grey Watch Protocol (and subsequent books of the Highlander Covenant) unfortunately suffers from the same problem as Shell Games. If you've read Shattered Fortress, you already know the story and how it's going to end. We'll learn some little details, but already know the major plot points.

The point isn't to show how it ends, it's to show how things got to that end. That's what stories do. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 June 2020, 13:52:39
And the Naja, which seems to be descended from the Kintaro, going by the model number.

Lol, I did not even scroll down in the report portion!  Naja could be a custom Kintaro- it will be neat to see new art on that b/c of how it is in HBS.

Improved SRM6?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 30 June 2020, 14:06:24
The point isn't to show how it ends, it's to show how things got to that end.

Which for the most part, Shattered Fortress does unfortunately.  :(
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 30 June 2020, 14:26:48
Improved SRM6?

The improved versions of old IS weapons that the Clans used for a short time before advancing to the Clantech we know today. First mentioned in the original TRO 3050, never seen again until full stats appeared in CampOps (or IntOps, I'm not sure). Assuming the Naja isn't a red herring, this marks the first time we've ever seen ANY of these weapons on a canon unit. I'm excited. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 June 2020, 14:28:50
The improved versions of old IS weapons that the Clans used for a short time before advancing to the Clantech we know today. First mentioned in the original TRO 3050, never seen again until full stats appeared in CampOps (or IntOps, I'm not sure). Assuming the Naja isn't a red herring, this marks the first time we've ever seen ANY of these weapons on a canon unit. I'm excited. :thumbsup:

Oh, I am too!  It does make me think its a personal config . . . maybe a special Golden Century design?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 30 June 2020, 14:31:41
Improved pre-ClanTech weapons are featured in TP: Tokasha in various units dating from 2830s or so.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 30 June 2020, 15:07:22
I sit corrected, forgotten about those!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 30 June 2020, 15:23:16
Isn't there a Highlander in RS: Klondike with improved weapons?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 June 2020, 15:35:44
that one has prototype a Streak-6
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 June 2020, 15:53:22
I think the Improved weapons give some great campaign options for Clan players- say you squeaked through your Trial of Position as a cadet, you are going to end up in a garrison cluster.  It can kind of ease the sting of getting handed a old Star League mech.  I checked the dates on some of when the systems came online and fluffed a mech pulled from caches as part of the Wolves post-Invasion build up where they created Tau while shuffling troops around.  I wanted to see how a mixed star with the improved & prototype weapons on old SL chassis would fair against Falcon garrison quality units.

Improved & Prototypes offer some interesting options for the cached Star League designs- or cached weapon systems that could be used on salvaged IS designs!- that still sets Clan garrison forces apart from a IS formation using Helm recovered designs.

Considering Falcon solahma clusters and the Wolves' Epsilon Galaxy should have been at Tukayyid, it will be interesting to see what happens with any appearances in CC Tukayyid since the invasion SBs give them IS designs IIRC.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 30 June 2020, 15:55:30
The improved versions of old IS weapons that the Clans used for a short time before advancing to the Clantech we know today. First mentioned in the original TRO 3050, never seen again until full stats appeared in CampOps (or IntOps, I'm not sure). Assuming the Naja isn't a red herring, this marks the first time we've ever seen ANY of these weapons on a canon unit. I'm excited. :thumbsup:

The improved SRMs were not bad at all. I almost think I like them more than clan standard.  They're in Interstellar Operations, iirc they had all of the clan 'improved' and prototype designs in there -- very cool.  Table leaves much to be desired.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 30 June 2020, 16:36:12
Odd, my in-box is strangely empty....
Mine's empty as well. Nothing caught in my spam filter.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 30 June 2020, 16:37:58
the monkey with the typewriter got the Marauder. you could literally just have SHIT MECH repeated in comic sans 500 times and people would still buy it hand over fist
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 30 June 2020, 16:47:19
Which for the most part, Shattered Fortress does unfortunately.  :(

Well that doesn’t sound ominous at all.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: hf22 on 30 June 2020, 18:45:35
Huh?  Not sure how you get that MWDA novels had a specific structure . . . but considering IIRC there have been 4 novels all about Northwind and another 3 or 4 that have portions of the story on planet, then it would make to reference things in those books.  I caught more references to Pardoe's earlier Highlander novels.  While the Proving Ground trilogy sucked, they also referred to Pardoe's books and I think bits from the Highlanders scenario book.

All I meant on structure, is that the three Proving Grounds books had a pretty consistent structure (it is one of the criticisms of them), and this book seems to try to hit the same story beats.

However I agree there are also plenty of references to Pardoe's books as well. In fact this story has a tendency to telescope the past closer in general - It makes the Steel Wolves invasion seem far more recent than 15 years ago, and Loren Jaffray much closer in time than 90+years ago.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 30 June 2020, 20:53:04
Sojourner (thanks Kit)- Heavy 4/6 Omni with SC or MASC . . .

>_>

It'll be a shame when SteveRestless has a heart attack on Friday and no longer posts in this thread....

 ;)

>_>

I smell shenanigans afoot.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 30 June 2020, 21:25:17
Nah, he said something about a sojourner on a beach . . . its a heavy and not a Woodsman tease.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 01 July 2020, 07:49:48
Sojourner (thanks Kit)- Heavy 4/6 Omni with SC or MASC . . .

 . . . makes me think of a Seeker or perhaps Spirit Cat inspired name.

Nah, he said something about a sojourner on a beach . . . its a heavy and not a Woodsman tease.

Huh? Is there another me? Beach?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 01 July 2020, 07:57:08
Beach deSummersville. It’s shocking what you might find out through AncestryDNA
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 01 July 2020, 11:01:22
Taking this thing for a test drive and seeing what it can do.

(http://i.imgur.com/GmVNKCIl.png) (https://imgur.com/GmVNKCI)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 01 July 2020, 11:12:12
that's a big vtol...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 01 July 2020, 11:31:04
that's a big vtol...

New meaning to Death From Above.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 01 July 2020, 11:32:22
Taking this thing for a test drive and seeing what it can do.

(http://i.imgur.com/GmVNKCIl.png) (https://imgur.com/GmVNKCI)

Tease! The Peregrine is one of those completely unseen WarShips from the Golden Century period that the Falcons made but it wasn't very successful.  https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Peregrine_(WarShip_class) At 130,000 tons she's positively tiny, only the Tracker and Nightwing and BugEye are smaller.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 01 July 2020, 11:35:54
Question is- does she have more weapons than the Vincent?  How did the Fredasa compare for weapons?  IF she is so small, and the Clans forgetting logistics . . . that might be what doomed her- a short set of legs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 01 July 2020, 11:38:32
Well, at least one set of Clanners underestimated one of them....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 01 July 2020, 11:43:34
Freddy vs Vincent is different roles for different goals. The Fredassa is very well armed for its size, yes its weapons are a bit wonky and the 20 fighters she carries take up a lot of room but she's faster, better armed and tougher than the Vincent and is a pure attack boat. The Vincent is more akin to a coastguard cutter or OPV (Offshore Patrol Vessel). Specifically something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton-class_cutter They're large, comfortable ships, long range (with their frankly absurd cargo capacity) but can't fight anything beyond an overly belligerent dropship on their own. The Vincent is a patrol boat, built to plod around Hegemony systems, escorting convoys and helping ships in distress. Putting her against something like a Fredassa would be akin to murder.

At 130k tons you're not gonna have a lot of room. I'm going to guess some NL's and some missile launchers as her main armament. Unless she's slow (2/3 - 3/5) and then you could probably squeeze a NAC-20 in somewhere, perhaps as a bow chaser. If she's a 4/6 ship, then you're gonna have room for some lasers and missiles and thats about it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 01 July 2020, 12:02:46
At 130k tons you're not gonna have a lot of room. I'm going to guess some NL's and some missile launchers as her main armament. Unless she's slow (2/3 - 3/5) and then you could probably squeeze a NAC-20 in somewhere, perhaps as a bow chaser. If she's a 4/6 ship, then you're gonna have room for some lasers and missiles and thats about it.

She isn't small potatoes!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 01 July 2020, 12:14:12
She isn't small potatoes!

By WarShip standards she is :D  The Vincent is a morbidly obese ship for its role and its positively anemic armament, you could easily chop her down by at least 50% or lets call it an even 200k tons and have a similar warship. Most of her bulks in that absurdly huge cargo capacity (97k tons is insane, especially when you factor in she's got a tiny fuel tank), but with a 130k ton ship there's really just not much room the engine and crew stuff is hella heavy, and if you put fighter on her, you need to put 10, which is a lot for a small craft and adds more crew. If she's fast she'll be lightly armed, there's just not the tonnage available.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 01 July 2020, 13:27:17
Which is why I compared the 3 . . . the Clans had the Vincents as Star League left-overs, decided to design their own ships . . . we get the Peregrine and Fredasa for the lighter designs.  The Fredasa stayed in production, the Peregrine did not and was mothballed rather than replace even one old Vincent.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: I am Belch II on 01 July 2020, 15:14:36
More Warships!!!! Want more
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 01 July 2020, 15:46:50
More Warships!!!! Want more

this man has been nothing but patient. give him what he wants
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 01 July 2020, 16:02:04
Well, at least one set of Clanners underestimated one of them....

I wonder which Clan underestimated it i want it to be the Ravens or Bears maybe Mongoose

Even a tiny WarShip I'll take any day
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Frabby on 01 July 2020, 16:08:10
I wonder which Clan underestimated it
I think he's referring to the Ice Hellion cluster that was seized by the Green Ghosts on their way to Camelot Command. Though the role of the Peregrine in this affair - if any - remains unclear. Available information is fragmentary and unreliable, and boils down to rumor and speculation.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 01 July 2020, 16:19:57
I think he's referring to the Ice Hellion cluster that was seized by the Green Ghosts on their way to Camelot Command. Though the role of the Peregrine in this affair - if any - remains unclear. Available information is fragmentary and unreliable, and boils down to rumor and speculation.

Green Ghosts! Now that's a group I haven't heard in a while. It makes me even more excited to see what TRO:GC brings us
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 01 July 2020, 17:11:02
I think he's referring to the Ice Hellion cluster that was seized by the Green Ghosts on their way to Camelot Command. Though the role of the Peregrine in this affair - if any - remains unclear. Available information is fragmentary and unreliable, and boils down to rumor and speculation.

I had forgotten  about that moment
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 01 July 2020, 18:09:33
Going enjoy Golden Century. Sadly will be last go chance new canon Warships from everything thats been posted.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 01 July 2020, 23:20:32
Saw someone on FB asking for a copy of Campaign Operations.  Any idea if this is on the POD List?   ???  Or if it will be?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 July 2020, 01:33:28
it's not. they're only doing soucebooks as of right now
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 02 July 2020, 02:07:02
The old sourcebook out in POD right now is like Wars of Reaving and First and Second Succession Wars.  And that's it.

As well as these, House Arano, Chaos Campaign: Succession Wars and the BattleTech Activity Book are available, but they were released in PDF and POD at or around the same time, not the same thing as offering an out of print book in the format

When TRO: Golden Century comes out they'll also be offering Era Digest: Golden Century in POD but that's a formerly PDF-only book getting a POD release.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 02 July 2020, 08:36:47
I think he's referring to the Ice Hellion cluster that was seized by the Green Ghosts on their way to Camelot Command. Though the role of the Peregrine in this affair - if any - remains unclear. Available information is fragmentary and unreliable, and boils down to rumor and speculation.

Oh no, it's a new, never before seen encounter. As I said, you'll see this baby is no small potatoes.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 02 July 2020, 09:39:28
Thanks for the info on Campaign Ops.  :thumbsup:  I'll pass along the bad news I guess.   :-\
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 July 2020, 09:52:44
Thanks for the info on Campaign Ops.  :thumbsup:  I'll pass along the bad news I guess.   :-\

Ray may have clarifications or corrections on this, but we've had some initial discussions about CO, and it's going to fall into the same category of SO and IO--we need to do some re-thinking and re-organizing of all of that "back-end" of the core rulebooks. Best I can say is that we're aware CO is out of stock, we're aware SO/IO/CO would be "next" in the reprint series.

Speaking only for myself, IMO, there's a lot those books could do better, especially CO. Given my druthers, I'd like to see CO reworked into a very different form. SO/IO probably just needs some reorganization and trimming.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 02 July 2020, 10:16:53
Oh no, it's a new, never before seen encounter. As I said, you'll see this baby is no small potatoes.

I just wonder how many with remember the tease when the book comes out   ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 02 July 2020, 15:06:56
If there's any trimming, I hope the trimmed material gets published somewhere...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 02 July 2020, 16:00:51
If there's any trimming, I hope the trimmed material gets published somewhere...

Quick Strike already did...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 02 July 2020, 17:01:02
I’m not sure what tptb want to do with battleforce but it occupies about 180 pages of SO’s ~450 tome-level girth
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 02 July 2020, 17:21:34
Quick Strike already did...

That’s specifically what I was thinking about when I said “trimmed,” definitely. It’s been superceded.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 02 July 2020, 17:38:12
As long as it lives somewhere, I can live with that...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 02 July 2020, 20:19:43
Ray may have clarifications or corrections on this, but we've had some initial discussions about CO, and it's going to fall into the same category of SO and IO--we need to do some re-thinking and re-organizing of all of that "back-end" of the core rulebooks. Best I can say is that we're aware CO is out of stock, we're aware SO/IO/CO would be "next" in the reprint series.

Speaking only for myself, IMO, there's a lot those books could do better, especially CO. Given my druthers, I'd like to see CO reworked into a very different form. SO/IO probably just needs some reorganization and trimming.

Great News, Thanks!   :thumbsup:


Now to find the FB Group, then the post, to pass that along.   xp

 ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 03 July 2020, 13:04:00
Now Available - Recognition Guide: ilClan Vol. 2

Quote
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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 03 July 2020, 13:39:13
I feel like this is the second time the Jade Phoenix has been mentioned but not shown.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 03 July 2020, 13:44:15
I feel like this is the second time the Jade Phoenix has been mentioned but not shown.

In time.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 July 2020, 13:49:35
Gonna do the thing where they tease it for months and it will show up in volume XX
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jymset on 03 July 2020, 13:52:20
Saving the best for last is a generally accepted strategy. :fine_print:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 03 July 2020, 14:00:14
It is a fine machine
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 03 July 2020, 14:14:32
I am unreasonably excited for "The Rock of the Republic" when ever it drops.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 03 July 2020, 14:46:04
So the plan is for these to come out in one physical book later, right?  Will the book be identical?   I remember a series of faction specific PDFs coming out awhile back, but when the full TRO came out, the notable pilots were changed for some entries and some mechs never made it into the physical version.  Should I expect that again?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 03 July 2020, 14:47:16
Too soon for any of those details.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 15:11:26
Ostscout 12R?  SOOO close . . . its undersinked!  8/12/8 w/Stealth Armor and a cERLL?  Pretty much everything I wanted the Pack Hunter to become . . . but short 2 DHS.  Built on Connaught with Kong, is this a new Clan Protectorate machine?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 03 July 2020, 15:16:39
I think we will see it with the Horses or Bears . . . Bears production was pretty hidden since they were hibernating so they might end up with it since we did not see a lot of designs for them come out of MWDA.  Horses ended up with a lot of Jaguar production like the Xerxes, so they could have ended up with that data core.

We have a winner with Horses
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 03 July 2020, 15:23:41
Gonna do the thing where they tease it for months and it will show up in volume XX

Nah.

XXII

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 03 July 2020, 15:28:40
Ostscout 12R?  SOOO close . . . its undersinked!  8/12/8 w/Stealth Armor and a cERLL?  Pretty much everything I wanted the Pack Hunter to become . . . but short 2 DHS.  Built on Connaught with Kong, is this a new Clan Protectorate machine?

Just don't shoot every other turn.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 15:45:10
Heck, you can do a 2-2-0 pattern if you do not mind slowing down to 7/11/8 on the 3rd turn.  Jumping away on the 3rd turn if you are in some danger to spend the 4th turn running & cooling . . . or if Ghost Targets are in play, use that option with Stealth to escape.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 03 July 2020, 15:48:11
Heck, you can do a 2-2-0 pattern if you do not mind slowing down to 7/11/8 on the 3rd turn.  Jumping away on the 3rd turn if you are in some danger to spend the 4th turn running & cooling . . . or if Ghost Targets are in play, use that option with Stealth to escape.

What on Earth are you talking about, it has one ER Large.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 15:54:30
12+10+2 for running & shooting w/ stealth, means it ends up with a +4 heat at the start of turn 2.  Repeat, and its +8 at the start of turn 3 which means its speed is now 7/11/8.  IF its in danger so that 7/11 does not get it somewhere it needs to be, then the OTT pilot can use the 8 to jump away for a total of 26 heat with 20 sinking.  So Turn 4, it could fire again if needed though it would absolutely have to spend turn 5 cooling off and only running  to do that but it would probably be better to cool on Turn 4 after running somewhere to drop the heat to 0.

Alternatively on Turn 3, it could turn off the stealth armor and switch the ECM (which changes on Turn 4) to Ghost Targets while running somewhere and the heat goes back to 0 for Turn 4.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 03 July 2020, 16:59:04
Hour of the Wolf by Blaine Lee Paradoe going be good too. Full novel if i'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 03 July 2020, 17:02:24
Am I remembering incorrectly, or was it said that the designs featured in the Recognition guides would be all new?

Because that's a stock TRO 3055 era Stone Rhino.

EDIT: Also that urbanmech first appeared in XTRO Republic II. It would inform my purchasing habits to know how much reused content we should expect.

Second EDIT: As pointed out elsewhere, the Urbanmech is new, just using the wrong model number. My bad.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 03 July 2020, 17:06:53
The UrbanMech isn't new, but the record sheet has the wrong model number on it--it should be UM-R96.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 03 July 2020, 17:34:29
Am I remembering incorrectly, or was it said that the designs featured in the Recognition guides would be all new?

A bunch of the Griffin variants in volume 1 were 3050 or later models that weren't in RS: Succession Wars or RS: Clan Invasion.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 03 July 2020, 17:34:32
Am I remembering incorrectly, or was it said that the designs featured in the Recognition guides would be all new?

Because that's a stock TRO 3055 era Stone Rhino.

EDIT: Also that urbanmech first appeared in XTRO Republic II. It would inform my purchasing habits to know how much reused content we should expect.

Second EDIT: As pointed out elsewhere, the Urbanmech is new, just using the wrong model number. My bad.

There are two new Stone Rhino record sheets.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 03 July 2020, 17:41:10
Buy this Monday same format as other one?  One featured Mech multiple pages a couple of double pages then a few together?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 03 July 2020, 17:45:28
Buy this Monday same format as other one?  One featured Mech multiple pages a couple of double pages then a few together?

Yes.  The OstScout is featured, the Sojourner and Stone Rhino get standard write-ups, the Grendel gets one page, and the UrbanMech, Bushwacker, and Zeus each get a blurb.

Edit:  And I really like the Zeus.  It also confirms that Hesperus is building native clantech.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 July 2020, 17:53:55
The IS Nuseen mechs that didn’t get their 3050 sheets in RS: Clan Invasion get them in the recguides
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 03 July 2020, 18:12:24
Too soon for any of those details.

Personally, I'd rather not have to buy both and get a lot of duplicate info just to get some new stuff with it again.  A physical book/pdf combo would make it more worthwhile though.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 July 2020, 18:23:05
It seems like the relevant answers to the questions you’ve been asking haven’t even been decided internally yet. If you don’t want redundancy you’re probably going to have to wait
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 03 July 2020, 18:37:39
It seems like the relevant answers to the questions you’ve been asking haven’t even been decided internally yet.

All the better reason to give suggestions now rather than later.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 18:50:57
Edit:  And I really like the Zeus.  It also confirms that Hesperus is building native clantech.

Not seen it, but how do you figure?  Plenty of groups are just buying the Clan weapons from the Foxes though the Republic can build quite a bit and the FedSuns can do some ERs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Karasu on 03 July 2020, 18:56:26
Not seen it, but how do you figure?  Plenty of groups are just buying the Clan weapons from the Foxes though the Republic can build quite a bit and the FedSuns can do some ERs.
It literally says so - " Using Clan specification extended-range lasers, an extralight engine and LRM 15 launcher built on-site"
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 03 July 2020, 19:02:28
It literally says so - " Using Clan specification extended-range lasers, an extralight engine and LRM 15 launcher built on-site"

And using that as a base, you could stretch things to assume that the LRM-15 used on the Griffin -6S2 is natively built as well.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 03 July 2020, 19:17:52
Since UM-93 was named in UrbanMech entry, was its Record Sheet supposed be included?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 03 July 2020, 19:33:36
There are two new Stone Rhino record sheets.

Sure, but the featured design is the original Stone Rhino.

To be clear I'm not against retreading old stats with new fluff, I bought the entire set of Upgrade TROs happily after all.

But I feel like they said they weren't going to do that, so I'm curious if that was actually something someone in power said or if I'm remembering it wrong.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 19:52:15
It literally says so - " Using Clan specification extended-range lasers, an extralight engine and LRM 15 launcher built on-site"

Drop the common between engine & and?  But all that means is the LRM15 is built on site- what is the brand of the laser?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 03 July 2020, 19:55:16
Drop the common between engine & and?  But all that means is the LRM15 is built on site- what is the brand of the laser?

It doesn't say.  It's a blurb with no information beyond manufacturer and planet.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 03 July 2020, 19:56:58
But I feel like they said they weren't going to do that, so I'm curious if that was actually something someone in power said or if I'm remembering it wrong.
I don’t recall saying that, or if someone else did. If it was then it’s a mistake. All the IICs will showcase the original, as the originals have not been showcased since the whole ‘Unseen issue’ happened.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 03 July 2020, 19:58:53
I don’t recall saying that, or if someone else did. If it was then it’s a mistake. All the IICs will showcase the original, as the originals have not been showcased since the whole ‘Unseen issue’ happened.

Fair enough. Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 20:00:23
It doesn't say.  It's a blurb with no information beyond manufacturer and planet.

If it is the one with the TRO entry- and it should be as the Dark Age model- then it will have it in the stat block under 'armament' heading.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 03 July 2020, 20:12:29
Sure, but the featured design is the original Stone Rhino.

To be clear I'm not against retreading old stats with new fluff, I bought the entire set of Upgrade TROs happily after all.

But I feel like they said they weren't going to do that, so I'm curious if that was actually something someone in power said or if I'm remembering it wrong.

As in the first Recguide with the griffin they’re filling holes not covered by RS: clan invasion.  That’s why there are extant sheets
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 03 July 2020, 20:31:53
If it is the one with the TRO entry- and it should be as the Dark Age model- then it will have it in the stat block under 'armament' heading.

It's not.  The Zeus is a 1/3 page blurb.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 03 July 2020, 20:44:15
Yeah, my arm got twisted . . . with the engine also being XL and the discussion of mating the Art V system to it . . . yeah, I am inclined to agree with you.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ShadowSwordmaster on 04 July 2020, 00:16:48
Hour of the Wolf by Blaine Lee Paradoe going be good too. Full novel if i'm not mistaken.
Nice. Do we know when this is coming out?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 04 July 2020, 01:11:01
Nice. Do we know when this is coming out?

The plan is August.
Might change a bit, until then, though.

https://bg.battletech.com/news/battletech-state-of-the-game-june-2020/
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ShadowSwordmaster on 04 July 2020, 02:07:57
Thanks!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 05 July 2020, 11:16:02

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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 July 2020, 11:40:52
I have not received any notification
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 05 July 2020, 12:49:41
I totally missed the errata/rules change that lets mechs jump further  than there run MP. When did that happen?

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Frabby on 05 July 2020, 12:53:00
I totally missed the errata/rules change that lets mechs jump further  than there run MP. When did that happen?

Cheers,
LCC
You mean IJJs?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 July 2020, 12:55:00
Improved jump jets were made mainstream in total warfare. They really came to the fore in tro 3085
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 05 July 2020, 13:09:01
Farther than their RUN MP??  ???

I think there was a typo somewhere in there... IJJs allow up to run MP vice walk...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 05 July 2020, 13:17:10
Farther than their RUN MP??  ???

I think there was a typo somewhere in there... IJJs allow up to run MP vice walk...

Nope.  Because of the hardened armor, the new UrbanMech has a run of 2 and a jump of 3.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 05 July 2020, 13:21:40
Question was asked here, so it was changed back in 2014.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=13401.0
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 05 July 2020, 13:37:39
Only way to really get further, outside of the mentioned Hardened way, is IJJ & Partial Wing.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 05 July 2020, 13:39:54
Partial Wings could get you there, but that's not a solution most people would think of...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 05 July 2020, 13:40:22
Nope.  Because of the hardened armor, the new UrbanMech has a run of 2 and a jump of 3.

If you are talking the UrbanMech UM-R93, it has Hardened armor, but reg JumpJets.

Which UrbanMech are you referring to?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 05 July 2020, 13:44:29
If you are talking the UrbanMech UM-R93, it has Hardened armor, but reg JumpJets.

Which UrbanMech are you referring to?

The R96 in the new RecGuide is 2/2/3
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 05 July 2020, 14:40:44
The R96 in the new RecGuide is 2/2/3

Thanx. Always difficult when people offer up "the Such-n-such" shows the rule has changed, but don;t say where to see this example.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 05 July 2020, 15:30:50
Urbie R96 has two speeds: Walk and Flying Murder.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 05 July 2020, 16:15:24
Urbie R96 has two speeds: Walk and Flying Murder.

The question is when you move two hexes using ground movement, do you take the walk penalty or the run penalty on your attacks?

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 05 July 2020, 16:18:40
The question is when you move two hexes using ground movement, do you take the walk penalty or the run penalty on your attacks?

Ruger

Whichever mode you choose when you elected to move it.
The mode determines the MP, not the MP determine the mode.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 05 July 2020, 16:20:39
Whichever mode you choose when you elected to move it.
The mode determines the MP, not the MP determine the mode.

When you can only move the same number of hexes rather you run or walk (2/2/3 movement on this one), then who would ever run?

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 05 July 2020, 16:22:42
Uh, nobody?  ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 05 July 2020, 16:43:27
Uh, nobody?  ???

 :stupid:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 05 July 2020, 16:58:09
Uh, nobody?  ???

When you need an extra point of heat to activate TSM.

But that is the exception that proves the rule.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 05 July 2020, 17:06:07
The vast majority of units don’t end up in a 2/3 mover’s 2/2 dilemma. Opt to walk unless a weird situation calls for running (like tsm)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 05 July 2020, 17:16:41
When you need an extra point of heat to activate TSM.

But that is the exception that proves the rule.

Hadn’t thought of that. Good point.

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Paul on 05 July 2020, 17:19:04
More likely: when you are trying to provoke a skid.
But yeah, quite the edge case. You'll be walking 99% of the turns you aren't jumping.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Agathos on 05 July 2020, 17:34:36
You might declare a run if you want to skid, which can be to your advantage in some fringe cases.

But then again, with 2 MP your "skid" will simply be a fall, so that's pretty boring. Maybe you're trying to knock an infantry swarm off your back.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Paul on 05 July 2020, 18:05:12
But then again, with 2 MP your "skid" will simply be a fall, so that's pretty boring.


Hah! Didnt think of that. That's funny.

New edge case: low G.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 05 July 2020, 18:28:33
Low gravity- but then movement becomes more than 2/2 . . . question is, will the walk & run always be the same on low gravity?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 05 July 2020, 18:34:46
Low gravity- but then movement becomes more than 2/2 . . . question is, will the walk & run always be the same on low gravity?

No, because you increase walking MP and then recalculate run.  So a case where walking MP is increased to 3, run will increase to 5, then -1 for hardened armour, for an adjusted value of 4.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 05 July 2020, 18:48:42
The real reason is so you can recreate those cool slow motion running scenes without camera tricks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 05 July 2020, 19:43:02
So it would look exactly like R2 getting tasered by Jawas, got it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 05 July 2020, 20:06:00
So it would look exactly like R2 getting tasered by Jawas, got it.  :thumbsup:

And now, I have an image of R2 with that battle droid’s voice coming out of him:

“My legs aren’t moving. I must need maintenance.”

 :D

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 05 July 2020, 23:25:03
When you need an extra point of heat to activate TSM.

But that is the exception that proves the rule.

Why not just turn off a heat sink and save the added penalty to your To-Hit number?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 05 July 2020, 23:45:30
Why not just turn off a heat sink and save the added penalty to your To-Hit number?
Because you needed to think of that LAST turn; IIRC you do that in the end phase. Do that this turn and you can walk next.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 05 July 2020, 23:52:22
You don't know what you're going to do the next turn during the End Phase?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 06 July 2020, 00:05:38
usually. Sometimes the other guy has his own plans, sometimes I drop the ball. Such is life.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Jellico on 06 July 2020, 02:08:54
At 2/2 you have to react not initiate.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 06 July 2020, 07:15:11
I'm disappointed that the UM-R96 didn't get a partial wing to mess people more with a 2/2/4 movement.  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 06 July 2020, 09:00:11
At 2/2 you have to react not initiate.

Your foes will thank you.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 06 July 2020, 10:33:45
I'm disappointed that the UM-R96 didn't get a partial wing to mess people more with a 2/2/4 movement.  ;D

I do like that they doubled down on "slow as molasses" with the hardened armor instead of giving it a beefier engine and better movement curve. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 06 July 2020, 20:21:54
Why not just turn off a heat sink and save the added penalty to your To-Hit number?

only works if you have singles. you can't dial down a dhs to 50%
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 06 July 2020, 20:30:03
And running only adds one more heat point than walking. Either way, this revolves around a single heat point. It's a simple algebraic consideration to make it work by shutting off a heat sink, of any kind, instead of running for one additional heat point. And the benefit is a better to-hit number than running, which lower target number should be the goal of anyone wanting to eliminate their enemies.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Eisenwolf on 07 July 2020, 04:40:49
Will there be anything new coming out this Friday?
Since, to my understanding, TRO: Irregulars is on hold like TRO: GC right now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 07 July 2020, 06:37:06
From sound of it, their waiting to see how well the setting up the Print On Demand so Irregulars will be done that way to.
I hope Irregulars will come this Friday.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 07 July 2020, 08:29:14
maybe some fiction. rock of the republic and icons of war were both slated for june.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 07 July 2020, 11:13:40
slack tide is now PoD on amazon (as of july 2 it looks like)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 07 July 2020, 12:17:37
From sound of it, their waiting to see how well the setting up the Print On Demand so Irregulars will be done that way to.
I hope Irregulars will come this Friday.
Unfortunately no. POD is a long process and it’s been slowed down by COVID-19.

Since, to my understanding, TRO: Irregulars is on hold like TRO: GC right now.
Correct. Not on hold, just in the process of POD production and approval.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 07 July 2020, 14:11:57
Just remember how many times the House Arano POD got pushed back. And this time we're trying landscape format for the first time.

I don't expect either TRO anytime soon, but I'll be happy to have them on my shelf when they are ready.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: bobthecoward on 07 July 2020, 14:59:51
Unfortunately no. POD is a long process and it’s been slowed down by COVID-19.
Correct. Not on hold, just in the process of POD production and approval.

Does irregulars include many eras of irregulars? Is this early dark age or something else?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 07 July 2020, 19:35:30
Unfortunately no. POD is a long process and it’s been slowed down by COVID-19.
Correct. Not on hold, just in the process of POD production and approval.

:|

That you've decided to park the digital download of TRO:GC behind the slow and suffering PoD process, when you know that Print on Demand is slow, is immensely disappointing for someone who does not have any intention of buying most sourcebooks in hardcopy ever again.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 07 July 2020, 19:39:42
Someone will always be disappointed. So we choose to do what’s best for most customers and best for the line.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 08 July 2020, 06:48:53
I still will, at least the main core source books and TROs chronologically (as long their actually TROs).  I read them when going sleep each night (like entry) so new stuff in the POD form is something i look forward to.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 08 July 2020, 19:24:07
Someone will always be disappointed. So we choose to do what’s best for most customers and best for the line.

Are there that many people who mistakenly buy a PDF, thinking they were buying both a PDF and a Print on Demand combo, and express remorse for purchasing the wrong item?

We've had plenty of releases in the past with the print aspect and the PDF availability out of synch, it baffles me why the two suddenly need be yoked together. But whatever. I just hope, fervently, that you reconsider asynchronous releases on future products.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 08 July 2020, 19:39:30
We've had plenty of releases in the past with the print aspect and the PDF availability out of synch, it baffles me why the two suddenly need be yoked together. But whatever. I just hope, fervently, that you reconsider asynchronous releases on future products.

Why shouldn’t they be released at the same time? Why should one type of customer feel left out when CGL can satisfy both kinds of customers simultaneously.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 08 July 2020, 19:44:35
Because getting a product a couple weeks earlier is just that important.  Apparently.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 08 July 2020, 20:06:26
Why shouldn’t they be released at the same time?

Because there have been past releases where a digital release preceded a print release without incident. Shattered Fortress, for example. and I am relatively sure the recent novels came out digitally before the PoD was available.

Why should one type of customer feel left out when CGL can satisfy both kinds of customers simultaneously.

And yet, as a PDF-only buyer, I do feel left out (of consideration) and am unsatisfied, that the PDF release is held up behind a laggy unrelated process. It is my recollection that PoD buyers are being given a copy of the PDF bundled with their purchase to mollify them over the delay, are they not? IMO, that's backwards, they're the ones who get additional value out of the wait. While PDF-only buyers just get... exactly what they'd get whether there was a wait or not.

No one is being "Left Out" during an asynchronous release when the PoD bundle comes with a PDF, they can skim the PDF with the rest of us, AND get their preferred format when it's goodand ready. and if they dislike PDFs that much, and won't touch them, then there is value in the waiting for them.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 08 July 2020, 20:11:30
There have been many issues with bundle PDF+print when one was available before the other.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ActionButler on 08 July 2020, 20:34:38
Because there have been past releases where a digital release preceded a print release without incident. Shattered Fortress, for example. and I am relatively sure the recent novels came out digitally before the PoD was available.

“Because we used to” is a terrible reason for doing anything. By that logic, CGL should just release 3025 hard copy-only products and metal minis.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 08 July 2020, 20:39:43
It is my recollection that PoD buyers are being given a copy of the PDF bundled with their purchase to mollify them over the delay, are they not?
That’s incorrect. They are not being mollified for the delay, you have it all backwards. The policy for a while has been that PDFs are included with print products. It has nothing to do with any delays. We are delaying the release of this PDF so that we don’t have customers that misunderstand the situation, don’t feel cheated, or regret their purchase for one that may have more value to them. Since this is POD via DTRPG, we can’t set it up as a preorder, or credit people towards the POD purchase later.

To my knowledge Shattered Fortress was prior to this policy, and the novels are a completely different process (and different budget structures, different margins, and so on) and are apples and oranges.

There really is nothing to debate here.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 08 July 2020, 21:42:32
There really is nothing to debate here.

Not debating, just stating why I'm disappointed and wishing different decisions had been made. I don't expect anything to change as a result.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Paul on 08 July 2020, 22:37:30
I don't expect anything to change as a result.

That's probably wise.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 09 July 2020, 03:44:45
“Because we used to” is a terrible reason for doing anything. By that logic, CGL should just release 3025 hard copy-only products and metal minis.

Judging by some interactions I've had in the past, there is a significant portion of the fan base who would prefer exactly that.

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LightGuard on 09 July 2020, 06:59:48
“Because we used to” is a terrible reason for doing anything. By that logic, CGL should just release 3025 hard copy-only products and metal minis.


Judging by some interactions I've had in the past, there is a significant portion of the fan base who would prefer exactly that.

- Herb

Oh hell no. I've got enough stagnant timelines in other games and fiction I interact with. Anytime this kind of talk comes up, I start looking at how to spend my money elsewhere. I'm not here because I want to read about how X Lance of this unit defeated Y Lance of that unit to win/lose a raid on Z Planet across two volumes.

That said, a broad 3SW supplement that talks about the House Lord/ComStar level intrigue and drama that fills in some of the gaps, shows the Mad Max/Scavenger setting that was originally pitched, and comes with a chapter of 10-12 Total Chaos tracks does interest me. A touchstone product that provides an overarching story line without getting into the weeds, if you will.

Then onto ilClan and the future!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 09 July 2020, 07:09:02
Judging by some interactions I've had in the past, there is a significant portion of the fan base who would prefer exactly that.

- Herb

What we really need is BattleMech miniatures that consist of monochrome square cardboard chits with stats inscribed on them in 3-pt font. 

And suspenders + knee-length beards are mandatory.

 :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 09 July 2020, 07:10:36
My main problem is with the sheer number of Mechs and vehicles at our disposal. Including variants and Omni configs there are thousands of options for a player to choose from. If that isn't bloat, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 09 July 2020, 07:28:33
Are there that many people who mistakenly buy a PDF, thinking they were buying both a PDF and a Print on Demand combo, and express remorse for purchasing the wrong item?

We've had plenty of releases in the past with the print aspect and the PDF availability out of synch, it baffles me why the two suddenly need be yoked together. But whatever. I just hope, fervently, that you reconsider asynchronous releases on future products.

I would suspect you get a higher POD attach rate if you launch both the PDF and the POD at the same time to take advantage of the initial launch push.  I highly doubt that enabling POD is free, so it would be better for CGL to recoup (and profit) off that investment up from.   I would argue, all be it without evidence, that launching the cheep version early undercuts the overall revenue.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 09 July 2020, 07:36:07
I would suspect you get a higher POD attach rate if you launch both the PDF and the POD at the same time to take advantage of the initial launch push.  I highly doubt that enabling POD so it would be better for CGL to recoup (and profit) off that investment up from.   I would argue that launching the cheep version early is a surefire way to undercut your overall revenue.

Depending, on how you set it up, the digital product can actually net you more money than the PoD. If I want my novels to net me the same the, far cheaper, eBooks do, I actually have ton increase their prize.

There aren't people who buy the wrong item and are then angry, at least no that many. There are people, who buy the digital version, because there is no printed version and are then angry, because they didn't know there would be a printed version later. Also, you are then punishing your customers, who prefer printed versions, because the digital version is out weeks earlier, lots of people are talking about it, reading it ... and you have to wait, because you want it printed. It's really not fair to people who want it printed. I always found it annoying, that the PDF was out weeks, sometimes months before the printed version in the past.
And, really, had they announced the print version beforehand, we wouldn't even have this discussion. They would have dropped at the same time and everyone would have been happy. From what it looks like, that will be the case in the future, so we won't have this kind of obvious delay ever again.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 09 July 2020, 07:39:28
My main problem is with the sheer number of Mechs and vehicles at our disposal. Including variants and Omni configs there are thousands of options for a player to choose from. If that isn't I don't know what is.
Well... one of the main points of playing BattleTech is the sheer number of mechs and vehicles at our disposal  ::)
It is like if you complain that your main problem with RPGs is the sheer number of roleplay you have to do or the main problem with Magic: the Gathering is the sheer number of cards at your disposal
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 09 July 2020, 07:40:05
My main problem is with the sheer number of Mechs and vehicles at our disposal. Including variants and Omni configs there are thousands of options for a player to choose from. If that isn't I don't know what is.

Source books my dude.  The hidden power of source books is that they constrain mech selection down to a manageable number.  From my point of view the real "problem" with so many type of mechs is that it encourages players to grab a handful of mech and proxy up.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 09 July 2020, 07:42:05
Proxying isn't a bug... it's a feature.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 09 July 2020, 07:49:18
Depending, on how you set it up, the digital product can actually net you more money than the PoD. If I want my novels to net me the same the, far cheaper, eBooks do, I actually have ton increase their prize.

On a per unit basis sure. 

POD and PDFs are going to have a revenue stream more like software than a more traditional printed and stocked book.   Once the development costs have been recouped, the ongoing costs are low enough that it makes sense to maximize revenue and swamp the difference in margin.   So if you are looking to maximize profitability, ideally you want as many people buying the PDF and POD as possible to maximize revenue, and take the hit to the overall margin.   

(I am also not in this industry so this could be 105% wrong.)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 July 2020, 07:52:45
By that logic, CGL should just release 3025 hard copy-only products and metal minis.

Only if by metal you mean lead, possibly with some cadmium added.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 09 July 2020, 07:59:40
On a per unit basis sure. 

POD and PDFs are going to have a revenue stream more like software than a more traditional printed and stocked book.   Once the development costs have been recouped, the ongoing costs are low enough that it makes sense to maximize revenue and swamp the difference in margin.

Once released, PoD and digital costs are actually non-existent. The shops provide the infrastructure and get their costs covered by sales (it's set up a bit more complicated, but let's spare the details, here).


   So if you are looking to maximize profitability, ideally you want as many people buying the PDF and POD as possible to maximize revenue, and take the hit to the overall margin.   

(I am also not in this industry so this could be 105% wrong.)

The number of people who buy both is usually minimal, in my experience. They have paid for one, they are annoyed if they have to pay for the other (especially if they bought the more expensive printed version). Personally, I'm actually extremely annoyed, that such combo offers are impossible in Germany, due to book pricing laws (Buchpreisbindung). If I could, I would give the e-books away for free alongside my printed novels, too. It helps keep the customer happy and coming back for more.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 09 July 2020, 08:04:13
Depending, on how you set it up, the digital product can actually net you more money than the PoD. If I want my novels to net me the same the, far cheaper, eBooks do, I actually have ton increase their prize.

There aren't people who buy the wrong item and are then angry, at least no that many. There are people, who buy the digital version, because there is no printed version and are then angry, because they didn't know there would be a printed version later. Also, you are then punishing your customers, who prefer printed versions, because the digital version is out weeks earlier, lots of people are talking about it, reading it ... and you have to wait, because you want it printed. It's really not fair to people who want it printed. I always found it annoying, that the PDF was out weeks, sometimes months before the printed version in the past.
And, really, had they announced the print version beforehand, we wouldn't even have this discussion. They would have dropped at the same time and everyone would have been happy. From what it looks like, that will be the case in the future, so we won't have this kind of obvious delay ever again.

WHERE I THE LIKE / +1 BUTTON!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 09 July 2020, 08:56:45
Here’s the last word, and then I’d like the discussion to be dropped. We stand to make more money if we release the PDF first without the POD—which we are not doing. We do not make more with POD sales, not in this case with landscape being more expensive for POD. This decision, as I’ve said, was to best serve the customers.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 July 2020, 09:53:27
Back on track a bit..

Are we expecting anything to get released tomorrow or are we looking at next Friday now?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 09 July 2020, 10:03:07
Hoping for RG 3 tomorrow!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 July 2020, 10:05:14
Back on track a bit..

Are we expecting anything to get released tomorrow or are we looking at next Friday now?

Lol, I was about to ask that!  No Rec Guide this week . . .


Also, I thought puzzles were to start shipping on the 1st?  I still have not received a notice that my puzzles & posters and t-shirts have shipped.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 09 July 2020, 10:09:10
From everything on Coming Attractions and what has been announced here.

I think there nothing coming out tomorrow *(7/10/20)* unless it's unannounced surprise.

As side note: If PoD would allow for the buyer to choose what format they wish it (Landscape / Portrait ), i'd gladly handle the extra charge so CGL isn't having pay more.

Battletech TRO/RGs is better landscape to me.   (fits in book shelf better)

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 July 2020, 10:20:45
From everything on Coming Attractions and what has been announced here.

I think there nothing coming out tomorrow *(7/10/20)* unless it's unannounced surprised.


Icons of War and Rock of the Republic where originally slated for June, Blaine said on FB yesterday that RotR is likely about 3 weeks away but he doesn't actually know for sure.

IoW might stil be in with a shout.

RG3 was scheduled for next week anyway (17th) with Spotlight On: Thermo Police and Touring the Stars: Kaumberg the week after (24th).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 09 July 2020, 10:35:11
RGv3's cover is a Battlemaster . . . which is going to be fun.  So playing the 'gun ports games' that means . . . on big gun on the RA, 2 lasers each LT/RT/CTR, 6 tube missile in the LT, and 2 MG on the LA.

The PPC/ML/MG just offer a ton of options . . . the missile rack is easier- SRM6, SSRM6, paired ATM3, ATM6, or paired MML3.  I do not expect ATMs if its a IS based design, they will use Clan LRM or Clan Streaks but we have yet to see them integrate the ATM system so . . . for different, paired MML3?  Sort of judging by what happened with the Zeus . . . maybe a FS design, paired MML3s, SFE or LFE, Clan spec ERMLs, Snub PPC or cERLL for the big gun?, AP Gauss or MagShots for the MGs though SPL would be better, Angel ECM or Boosted C3?, love a Supercharger, and what type of armor?  Have to check it tonight when I get back around HMP.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 09 July 2020, 10:37:42
Icons of War and Rock of the Republic where originally slated for June, Blaine said on FB yesterday that RotR is likely about 3 weeks away but he doesn't actually know for sure.

IoW might stil be in with a shout.

RG3 was scheduled for next week anyway (17th) with Spotlight On: Thermo Police and Touring the Stars: Kaumberg the week after (24th).

Icons is still being edited and the cover being designed. I have no idea when it'll be ready -- I hope its this month, but maybe August.....

Craig
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 July 2020, 10:40:10
Icons is still being edited and the cover being designed. I have no idea when it'll be ready -- I hope its this month, but maybe August.....

Craig

Ok cool, cheers for the update Craig.

 There we have it folks, look towards next week for RG3 to be the next release.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 09 July 2020, 10:43:42
Hoping for RG 3 tomorrow!

Well, as previously stated, that one is next Friday.  Speaking of which, the following two weeks are going to be relatively packed with cool releases.  As for tomorrow, I didn't see anything on the coming releases page specifically slated to release tomorrow.

So it might be a good week to reread some classics like FM: 3145 or Shattered Fortress to get in the mood! (not to mention RG:i volumes 1 & 2).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 July 2020, 10:49:58
honor’s gauntlet is slated for “July”. Rock of the Republic is the only other holdover from June
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 July 2020, 10:50:04
Touring the Stars: Kaumberg is one I am looking forward too quite a bit.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 09 July 2020, 11:09:25
Touring the Stars: Kaumberg is one I am looking forward too quite a bit.

Oh? Why so?

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Eisenwolf on 09 July 2020, 11:18:45
Because he wants to know more about the Kaumberg Eichhörnchen!  ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 09 July 2020, 13:01:16
Because he wants to know more about the Kaumberg Eichhörnchen!  ;D

For that, he just needs the Steiner Handbook.

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 09 July 2020, 14:56:12
Back on track a bit..

Are we expecting anything to get released tomorrow or are we looking at next Friday now?

I know GC is still a bit away, but somehow I still read through hoping it will come earlier.  *me (im)patiently tapping fingers, then I'm distracted by something ... like food*
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 09 July 2020, 15:26:59
Oh? Why so?

- Herb

I should say that I want more stuff on the rivalry between House LeSat and House Hasseldorf but the truth is I want details on Herbert Redburn and his unfortunately titled book, The Jihad: A Good Start.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 09 July 2020, 16:15:20
I should say that I want more stuff on the rivalry between House LeSat and House Hasseldorf but the truth is I want details on Herbert Redburn and his unfortunately titled book, The Jihad: A Good Start.

I don't think Mr. Redburn is a Kaumberger, though. He's just the guy that took over for senile ol' Professor Habeas.

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Reldn on 09 July 2020, 18:17:31
Also, I thought puzzles were to start shipping on the 1st?  I still have not received a notice that my puzzles & posters and t-shirts have shipped.

I've been wondering the same thing as I haven't seen a shipping notice, either.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 09 July 2020, 19:32:51
Nope. No word here either
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 10 July 2020, 01:53:02
Same here. I would appreciate some feedback from TPTB, ifnthere is some delay or similar, just to be able to plan. I will be abroad the whole August and parts of September and since I am expecting, that German Customs want a declaration on the parcel, I might have to delegate somebody
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 10 July 2020, 08:35:54
Also, I thought puzzles were to start shipping on the 1st?  I still have not received a notice that my puzzles & posters and t-shirts have shipped.

Hoping to have some information on that today. I've been absolutely buried this past week or two with editing and other work for the line, so communications stuff has had to get back-burnered.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jimdigris on 10 July 2020, 08:42:58
Is anything new supposed to be released today?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 10 July 2020, 09:12:42
Hopefully TRO Irregulars in PDF format.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 10 July 2020, 09:18:08
Hopefully TRO Irregulars in PDF format.

PDF will be released simultaneously with the POD.

And Golden Century is up first.

The release dates in June's state of the game proved to be overly optimistic it seems.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 10 July 2020, 10:27:03
PDF will be released simultaneously with the POD.

And Golden Century is up first.

The release dates in June's state of the game proved to be overly optimistic it seems.

Only because the possibility of POD threw us for a loop.

Look, I didn't expect that update to end up being 100 percent accurate. We simply don't have the bandwidth to produce 4-6 months of product in advance. Honestly, the almost-weekly new releases would have seemed unfathomable even 4-6 months ago. But we're paying the price and keeping up. As long as the Rec Guides stay on target--and they should be able to--then I'll be content.

Too much forums today. Back to editing!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 10 July 2020, 15:21:10
Only because the possibility of POD threw us for a loop.

Look, I didn't expect that update to end up being 100 percent accurate. We simply don't have the bandwidth to produce 4-6 months of product in advance. Honestly, the almost-weekly new releases would have seemed unfathomable even 4-6 months ago. But we're paying the price and keeping up. As long as the Rec Guides stay on target--and they should be able to--then I'll be content.

Too much forums today. Back to editing!

Yes back to editing  ;D

Honestly I'm just glad there's lots in pipeline looking forward to it all and slower release will make it easier on wallet too for the next few months
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HodgePodge on 11 July 2020, 08:28:03
Honestly I'm just glad there's lots in pipeline looking forward to it all and slower release will make it easier on wallet too for the next few months
This. After her review of the last credit card bill, my much-better half asked, "Have you lost your mind?" To which I replied, "Eighteen years on, and you're just now asking that question?"  :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 11 July 2020, 10:49:35
Lol, I was about to ask that!  No Rec Guide this week . . .


Also, I thought puzzles were to start shipping on the 1st?  I still have not received a notice that my puzzles & posters and t-shirts have shipped.

I ordered only the posters, and they arrived today.  No shipping notice, just surprise arrival :).
The status for the order still says unfulfilled even.
They look even better in person than in the pictures.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2020, 11:16:59
Not sure how much I liked that, folks who ordered earlier with the bundle did not get shipped to first?

Oh well, the distro center is not CGL employees so . . . guess I will see them next Monday or Tuesday since they are shipping to office address.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 11 July 2020, 11:18:08
DEST ninja mail service at it again
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 11 July 2020, 11:40:30
Or I’m just closer to the distribution center. The shipping label lists the ship date as yesterday.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 11 July 2020, 12:08:55
I selected Wave 2 very early on, so... maybe not?  ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2020, 12:37:10
Or I’m just closer to the distribution center. The shipping label lists the ship date as yesterday.

We were told they were shipping on the 1st . . . but folks who picked up the bundle had ordered what, 10 days? before they offered puzzle or poster only options.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 11 July 2020, 12:48:43
We were told they were shipping on the 1st . . . but folks who picked up the bundle had ordered what, 10 days? before they offered puzzle or poster only options.

I don’t know what’s going on with anybody else’s order. But poster only also listed July 1st. It could be they all shipped yesterday. You don’t need to assume malfeasance on anybody’s part yet. It just arrived at my house today, after o it being 1 day in shipping. Expecting all of them to arrive that quickly is assuming a bit much.  Maybe give it a couple days.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 11 July 2020, 13:11:25
Slightly off topic, but if you're still interested in it there is a SR5 sale on bundle of holding right now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 11 July 2020, 13:12:14
Sorry if tone is not coming across, I am not accusing any wrong-doing.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 12 July 2020, 08:25:15
Sorry if tone is not coming across, I am not accusing any wrong-doing.

Hopefully it arrives for you soon!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 12 July 2020, 13:35:11
Hopefully it arrives for you soon!

I would already be happy to just know the statusin the first place
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: BairdEC on 12 July 2020, 13:55:50
I would already be happy to just know the statusin the first place

No kidding.  Catalyst's fulfillment company stinks.  Every single thing I've received from them has arrived before they could get around to send a shipping notification.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 12 July 2020, 14:14:50
Say what you will about this fulfillment company, but they're several orders of magnitude better than Battleshop.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jimdigris on 12 July 2020, 15:56:59
The Battleshop has been good for me this past year. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 13 July 2020, 09:21:21
Battleshop hasn't existed for a. few years now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Euphonium on 13 July 2020, 16:39:21
No kidding.  Catalyst's fulfillment company stinks.  Every single thing I've received from them has arrived before they could get around to send a shipping notification.

CGL has certainly had issues with order fulfillment at times (remembers the HexPacks that were delivered ~5 years late), but they are much better than they were. My Shadowrun Spawl Ops kickstarter stuff finally arrived this week too!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 13 July 2020, 16:51:25
Good . . . lol, now I will have to check the next couple updates to see if the complainer will acknowledge that shipment.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 13 July 2020, 17:26:46
My Shadowrun Spawl Ops kickstarter stuff finally arrived this week too!


Living in hope here!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 13 July 2020, 17:27:10
This. After her review of the last credit card bill, my much-better half asked, "Have you lost your mind?" To which I replied, "Eighteen years on, and you're just now asking that question?"  :D

Yes when we moved in together she saw my novel and sourcebooks...

Now I buy PDFs :D I've also gotten used to them especially the novels with apps on phone I can read the books anywhere anytime with a cup of tea in the other hand
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2020, 17:32:40
as long as the books don't start spilling out of the office closet, my wife can deny it's a serious problem
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 13 July 2020, 19:08:11
Mine doesn't recognize one 'geek' book from another ... I can sneak stuff in occasionally  >:D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2020, 19:13:42
The pod fiction is on the top shelf of one of my academic cases. I think she’s noticed there is an accumulation happening
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Empyrus on 13 July 2020, 19:39:11
as long as the books don't start spilling out of the office closet, my wife can deny it's a serious problem
Some day PDFs start physically spilling out of phones and PCs as books
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sigil on 13 July 2020, 20:20:05
I've been snapping up the new Print-on-Demand novels and novellas as they've become available.  In the back of each one is a list of all the fiction.  This list includes Isle of the Blessed by Steven Mohan. It appears after A Bonfire of Worlds (also by Steven Mohan) and before Embers of War, which are both available PoD.

Has anyone seen or know any thing about a Isle of the Blessed being offered PoD?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 13 July 2020, 21:23:52
nope, but a lot of the BC long form stuff is back there. the Blitzkrieg fiction is in there too under another section
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: worktroll on 14 July 2020, 00:53:45
Isle of the Blessed was set on New Avalon during the Jihad, and was published as a serial on the now defunct BattleCorps site. Nice to see it in DTF. Was a good series.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 00:59:29
not in dtf as of yet, but acknowledged as a BT novel in the publication lists at the back of new fiction

(meanwhile Ideal War has been absent from said list since they started adding the list)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: worktroll on 14 July 2020, 04:06:57
That, and Star Lord, need not apply.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 July 2020, 04:16:37
Weird, Ideal War at least appears to be available as an ebook right now, though Star Lord isn't.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 08:08:35
Yeah it made the transition to the Legends ebook line (and you can still get it on kindle)

I wonder if there was some kind of sticking point with the rights for a new printed version. The Sword and the Dagger is also missing from that list but the reasons are well-known.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LightGuard on 14 July 2020, 08:16:59
Hey, I enjoyed Star Lord for what it is. Which is a MW RPG session pushing Old Man Henderson levels of power gaming and weirdness.

And yes, I view almost all the fiction that is considered bad around here in the same manner.

(No, seriously, my most worn out novels are Star Lord, Main Event, and DRT, followed by Wolf Pack and anything GDL or Northwind Highlanders.)

I buy such a low-volume of digital goods, my wife doesn't care what I buy. I do have to discuss any purchases of $60 or higher because that eats my fun moneys.

Friday cannot come soon enough.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 14 July 2020, 08:56:56
The Sword and the Dagger is also missing from that list but the reasons are well-known.

The reasons aren't well known. What's well known is there are reasons.   ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 09:02:38
I mean the author pretty much spelled out the issues with the contract she had picked up from Weissman and Hicks. How exactly that bounces around in copyright law is tangled and messy, but we know enough
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 July 2020, 09:13:28
I wonder if there was some kind of sticking point with the rights for a new printed version. The Sword and the Dagger is also missing from that list but the reasons are well-known.

The Sword and the Dagger didn't even get reprinted in the 90s when RoC reissued all the other FASA novels
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 09:18:41
Battlemaster . . you know, you can get a TSM & Supercharger Battlemaster w/some Med VSPLs using the -1G gun port requirement . . . getting really curious about what got done to the old Beemer.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 09:45:38
The Sword and the Dagger didn't even get reprinted in the 90s when RoC reissued all the other FASA novels

Yes. Though the Germans got a reprint. Regardless, it’s missing from the acknowledged novel list. Bonfire gets two entries (presumably because the lag between the digital and print releases?)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 14 July 2020, 10:16:34
Battlemaster . . you know, you can get a TSM & Supercharger Battlemaster w/some Med VSPLs using the -1G gun port requirement . . . getting really curious about what got done to the old Beemer.
I know where you can find a hint  ::)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 10:24:28
I know where you can find a hint  ::)

Well . . . unless I missed it (just checked) you have not released any more screen shots of Rec Guides MM testing.  So all we had was Scotty's purple'd Battlemaster.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 14 July 2020, 10:44:31
Well . . . unless I missed it (just checked) you have not released any more screen shots of Rec Guides MM testing.  So all we had was Scotty's purple'd Battlemaster.

Oh...it's not a screen shot...but it's down there.  ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 11:00:02
Oh...it's not a screen shot...but it's down there.  ^-^

(https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-7920,msid-15661933,width-400,resizemode-4/15661933.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 14 July 2020, 11:13:29
Oh...it's not a screen shot...but it's down there.  ^-^

Are you talking about the variant with the hammer, the brush and the beard?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pat Payne on 14 July 2020, 11:38:04
I mean the author pretty much spelled out the issues with the contract she had picked up from Weissman and Hicks. How exactly that bounces around in copyright law is tangled and messy, but we know enough

And of course, once 2080 rolls around, that's no longer an issue...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 11:41:10
Download directly to your brain! Collector’s edition imprints the live action movie directly to your imagination!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 July 2020, 11:52:20
Are you talking about the variant with the hammer, the brush and the beard?

Wasn't that originally published in one of the Alpha Strike decks?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 12:01:15
(https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-7920,msid-15661933,width-400,resizemode-4/15661933.jpg)

Yeah, looked through the topics, guess I have to look closer . . .
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 12:09:01
Okay . . . BOOOO . . . BOOOO . . . ugh

-6G has . . .

HPPC, 4 LPPC, 2 Small XP, SSRM6, 2 ER Smalls . . . ugh



Now the Heirofalcon Prime . . . seems like a med, has a HAG/20 in the RA with CASE . . . seems to confirm its a Falcon Clan design.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Xotl on 14 July 2020, 12:38:39
The authors of both Sword & Dagger and Star Lord are dead, so I would assume that has something to do with the reduced appearance of those books.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 14 July 2020, 12:50:15
-6G has . . .

HPPC, 6 LPPC, 2 Small XP, SSRM6, 2 ER Smalls . . . ugh


Are you sure?  There seem to be a couple extra guns there.  The -1G only has the PPC, 6 MLs, the SRM-6, and 2 MGs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pat Payne on 14 July 2020, 12:53:21
The authors of both Sword & Dagger and Star Lord are dead, so I would assume that has something to do with the reduced appearance of those books.

While it could be tangential, if they were standard works for hire, then the rights should reside with IMR/CGL or Topps. Not sure why their having passed away would have to do anything with it, lots of deceased authors still have books published and republished. You can still go into any bookstore and pick up Shakespeare, after all...

Buuuuut, I'm sure a red beemer will probably pop in to nudge us back on topic, so I'll clam up at this point.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 12:58:02
Are you sure?  There seem to be a couple extra guns there.  The -1G only has the PPC, 6 MLs, the SRM-6, and 2 MGs.

There are a handful of non-WYSIWYG variants so it could either be that the previewed variant has fewer guns or it’s a bonus beemer in addition to the WYSIWYG variant we get
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 13:02:24
Are you sure?  There seem to be a couple extra guns there.  The -1G only has the PPC, 6 MLs, the SRM-6, and 2 MGs.

Correct, I was just conflating the 6 MLs total for the 4 on chest being replaced by LPPC . . . 2 rear facing are the ERSLs.  I think -6G, mimicking the nomenclature with the latest number- or a missing one- is homage.

If so . . . blah . . . afaik the Executioner is the only assault so far that does MASC/SC to race across 12 hexes, be nice to see a IS assault mimic that with a battery of med/short range guns especially since the IS pilots like to mix it up.  This poor Beemer will be one of the few that does not want to close.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 14 July 2020, 13:04:25
Correct, I was just conflating the 6 MLs total for the 4 on chest being replaced by LPPC . . . 2 rear facing are the ERSLs.  I think -6G, mimicking the nomenclature with the latest number- or a missing one- is homage.

Got it.  It works nicely with 4 LPPCs, assuming what I just put into SSW is close to the real thing.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 13:37:06
You can see it hit the Heirofalcon on MM's Crazy Hits thread.

Four LPPCs is so disappointing with everything that is available in 3150, it felt like 'we have to waste tonnage somewhere, let's do it with crappy guns.'  The Quasimodo will be laughing in this thing's face.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 14 July 2020, 13:48:31
[shrug]  I wouldn't have come up with it myself, but I like it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 14 July 2020, 14:00:48
You can see it hit the Heirofalcon on MM's Crazy Hits thread.

Four LPPCs is so disappointing with everything that is available in 3150, it felt like 'we have to waste tonnage somewhere, let's do it with crappy guns.'  The Quasimodo will be laughing in this thing's face.

It's four medium lasers, with a range of 18 hexes. 
With the Heavy PPC, 35 damage out to 18 hexes.
without clantech, that's pretty impressive.  with also having to follow WYSWIG, it's very impressive.
Unless the BLR-6G is Clan Wolf or Capellan, I'm not sure it's really going to worry about fighting against a Quasimodo?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 14:15:12
It's four medium lasers, with a range of 18 hexes. 
With the Heavy PPC, 35 damage out to 18 hexes.
without clantech, that's pretty impressive.  with also having to follow WYSWIG, it's very impressive.
Unless the BLR-6G is Clan Wolf or Capellan, I'm not sure it's really going to worry about fighting against a Quasimodo?

35 damage . . . do we get the Super-Capacitor with this?

All the Houses build or buy Clan systems, so it would not be a stretch to have a bit of it.  But LPPC are a lackluster system- the HPPC can be excused for the weight because it can headcap . . . but LPPC you spend 3 times the weight of a IS ERML for a 50% range increase.  If you had to use up a lot of 'spare' weight, for 'gun port use' then REL & VSPL would have been something 'different' and to get into range use one of the 3 speed boosting methods (w/o engine change) that are safely hidden behind armor.  While some folks may like LPPCs, I found it annoying as part of the 'new toy' rush in Jihad designs since in most cases a ERML would be better for the design- but the story of supply chain disruptions makes it palatable.

Streaks . . . whoo!  ATMs or MML would have given us a new variant with something very different from what we got before.

Quasimodo were sold openly IIRC, which is why the marketing fight on Solaris IIRC, so its a chance to face it.  I was using the easiest example, but the Dracs are using Reflec armor which is going to leave the SSRM.

For those who like it, or OMG it makes the blood race! great for them!  Unless it has a lot of electronics hiding under the hood, I think it would get the same ho-hum remarks people generated about Warlord.  Its a miss on the opportunity to make something that would be competitive for the era.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 14 July 2020, 15:07:23
What's driving the sudden infatuation with WYSISYG?  That's about as anti-BattleTech as I can conceive of...  ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 15:10:45
anti-battletech would be forcing you to use WYSIWYG exclusively. this is just a hundred-odd variants that happen to match the art from the boxes and KS
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 15:12:21
 . . . huh?

The new Rec Guides are releasing the IS mech's KS art for things we have not seen in TRO SW for example.  RC I had the Griffin, RC II had the Ostscout, RC III will have the Battlemaster . . . the directive is to match up the gun ports to provide new variants so someone can plop their KS (or GOAC box) Marauder/Warhammer/Battlemaster/etc down on a table in the current era.  The Griffin in RCI had a new . . . Lyran? Griffin and a Wolf Clan conversion Griffin, IS chassis w/Clan weapons.

So the KS art is getting released, you get a notable pilot for every era (prim Griffin was a war crimes maniac!), you get the sheets for many variants, and it features at least 1 new variant that works in the current era.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 14 July 2020, 15:13:24
anti-battletech would be forcing you to use WYSIWYG exclusively. this is just a hundred-odd variants that happen to match the art from the boxes and KS
As long as it's not paving the way to THAT, I'm ok with it...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 15:16:34
as ninety-some percent of mech variants don't have a miniature in any form (much less art) it seems like an unlikely outcome
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 15:17:53
As long as it's not paving the way to THAT, I'm ok with it...

Did FASA or FanPro ninjas come take your Unseen?  Its not something to get worked up about IMO.

heck, NCKestrel's post about gun port matching is the first TPTB that even confirmed this is a thing outside of Adrian's 'new KS art with minis to work in current era.'
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 14 July 2020, 15:20:22
There are still no canon WYSIWYG police.
I still use a Highlander IIC as a HGN-732 and Ray still, sometimes, returns my emails.
Oh shit, I don't think I'd told Ray about my Highlander IIC mini....
*shrug* The cat is out of the bag now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 14 July 2020, 15:21:30
heck, NCKestrel's post about gun port matching is the first TPTB that even confirmed this is a thing outside of Adrian's 'new KS art with minis to work in current era.'

I'm a minor minion.  (Sometimes I have delusions of grandeur, but not that often.)

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 15:24:49
Did FASA or FanPro ninjas come take your Unseen?  Its not something to get worked up about IMO.

heck, NCKestrel's post about gun port matching is the first TPTB that even confirmed this is a thing outside of Adrian's 'new KS art with minis to work in current era.'

it was indeed initially fan-observed, yes (iirc fatguy was the first one to make the observation)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 14 July 2020, 15:26:06
I'm a minor minion.  (Sometimes I have delusions of grandeur, but not that often.)



(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0tQRXl4nsww/maxresdefault.jpg)

Which one are you in the CGL Christmas Card photo?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 14 July 2020, 15:30:49
reported
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lorcan Nagle on 14 July 2020, 16:17:38
There are still no canon WYSIWYG police.
I still use a Highlander IIC as a HGN-732 and Ray still, sometimes, returns my emails.
Oh shit, I don't think I'd told Ray about my Highlander IIC mini....
*shrug* The cat is out of the bag now.

Well, I guess I have to ban you now.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 14 July 2020, 17:22:42
What's driving the sudden infatuation with WYSISYG?  That's about as anti-BattleTech as I can conceive of...  ???

I think it's a thing they're doing to help ease in new players that aren't used to such looseness in a minis game.  The new minis are all based on the primary config from the clan invasion era, but this way they can say, "but look, even if you want to play in the current era, the mechs' load outs still look right!"

And while I will proxy when needed, I do really enjoy have a mini that accurately represents what I'm fielding.  Kind of a similar feeling to deploying a fully painted force.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 14 July 2020, 17:29:20
I think it's a thing they're doing to help ease in new players that aren't used to such looseness in a minis game.  The new minis are all based on the primary config from the clan invasion era, but this way they can say, "but look, even if you want to play in the current era, the mechs' load outs still look right!"

This exactly. There's a lot of minis gamers whose background is far less nonchalant than ours about minis not matching variants...but CGL wants their money too. 8)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 14 July 2020, 17:32:27
BT version of XXXXXXXXX 'pushing' newbies into the universe.  Let them get a taste, then let their imaginations take over when you start using numbered soda caps as your vehicle convoy. ... or lego minifigs as giant alien warriors!

huh, somehow that made more sense in my head ... I'll let it stand.

(edit: I could see this post not helping any arguments, bad 'word' edited out)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 14 July 2020, 17:52:20
Do like my wife does when GMing RPGs. Use Starburst candies as the enemy units. Adopt a strict policy of YOU EAT WHAT YOU KILL.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kojak on 14 July 2020, 18:05:27
Yeah, while I was never a WYSIWYG guy (back when I still played TT I played with the cardboard flats out of my old 4thEd boxed set), I do appreciate that in MM there are unique sprites for pretty much every single unit (you're a champ, Deadborder!).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Lyran Wolf on 14 July 2020, 18:12:23
From the perspective of the 6G potentially being a variant designed to match the model as well as provide an on-ramp for a new player into the current era I think it does the job. It may not be fancy, but if the previous sentence was the goal you do want it to be simple.  In which case the 6G is solid direct fire support, some very reliable backup close range weaponry, and based on the weapons at least, a new player isn't going to be bombarded with special rules or variable damage.  The minimum range on standard PPCs is even forgiving enough that it could teach a new player to be mindful of it without overly hitting them with a gotcha.

The more I think about it the more I would be willing to use it to help teach someone new.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 14 July 2020, 19:42:00
The 6G might not be our only new Battlemaster. In the first two volumes the unseen 'Mech got two WYSIWYG 3150 variants.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 14 July 2020, 21:01:14
Do like my wife does when GMing RPGs. Use Starburst candies as the enemy units. Adopt a strict policy of YOU EAT WHAT YOU KILL.

I think the attrition rate from massive planet spanning Kaiju might be overwhelming.  BUT that is an awesome idea!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Bosefius on 14 July 2020, 22:00:38
While it could be tangential, if they were standard works for hire, then the rights should reside with IMR/CGL or Topps. Not sure why their having passed away would have to do anything with it, lots of deceased authors still have books published and republished. You can still go into any bookstore and pick up Shakespeare, after all...

Buuuuut, I'm sure a red beemer will probably pop in to nudge us back on topic, so I'll clam up at this point.

From discussions with various people at previous GenCons,a lot of those early contracts were odd, where the rights reverted to the author, but the company. I want to say Sword & Dagger was specifically mentioned.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 15 July 2020, 08:31:13
The 6G might not be our only new Battlemaster.

It isn't.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 15 July 2020, 09:48:37
CGL doing the WYSIWYG thing is a natural part of the effort to bring BT into line with what is expected in modern gaming. I think it is safe to assume that the vast majority of new people who might come to the TT game will either be from a 40k background where WYSIWYG is normal or be brought in via the two current video games that (as far as I know) both have a 'Mechs visual loadout change along with the actual loadout.

This combined with the fact that increasing numbers of people are able to actually 3D print great looking models at home. Any game that can't support WYSIWYG is going to look behind the times to new players. BT already struggles under the weight of its own history so little things like this should be embraced.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: bobthecoward on 15 July 2020, 10:11:42
CGL doing the WYSIWYG thing is a natural part of the effort to bring BT into line with what is expected in modern gaming. I think it is safe to assume that the vast majority of new people who might come to the TT game will either be from a 40k background where WYSIWYG is normal or be brought in via the two current video games that (as far as I know) both have a 'Mechs visual loadout change along with the actual loadout.

This combined with the fact that increasing numbers of people are able to actually 3D print great looking models at home. Any game that can't support WYSIWYG is going to look behind the times to new players. BT already struggles under the weight of its own history so little things like this should be embraced.

What do you mean by support it? The fact I can use an MLP figurine as a dire wolf means another person can put down a model of a dire wolf that matches their loadout. It supports that.

Or do you mean something different?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 15 July 2020, 10:21:41
I think for BT the what-you-see issue is just an artistic point-of-view to help people visualize the game, not change or mandate anything. 

We'll always be solidly a token style game (no pun intended!). 

But it is nice to have some one look at a Griffin mini (from basic/intro set) and say/think: So it's got some sort of gun on the right arm and a set of missiles on the shoulder right?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 July 2020, 10:29:37
There is a huge issue with WYSIWYG for BT.

As a Demo agent, I am limited to running events only with official models. That means NO 3D printed models in official sanctioned BT games.

I don;t think I can even use other company models in games (i.e. No Robotech Riflemen)

So, lets take the Awesome for example. We have the recent Plastic Model of the Aweseme AWS-8Q, and a metal model of the AWS-9Q (https://store.ironwindmetals.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1902&osCsid=b8a5a2d3c09e827949ff1611aa8f3b21). That's it. But we also have the following:

AWS-8R (2x LRM 15, 1 L laser Right Arm)
AWS-8T (2x LRM 15, L Laser Left/Right Arms)

So, no official model of those, but they can be easily represented with the current existing models, easily with a "The Red Awesome is a standard 8Q, while the Blue Awesome is the 8R variant".

This is further constrained by the fact most other WYSIWYG games, records/unit details are not shared between participants. BT is not that, unless the game is double blind, and even then requires 3 parties to fully play, with 3 seperate maps, record sheets etc, see pages 220-224 of TacOps for full rules:

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The double-blind format requires a minimum of three players,
one of whom acts as gamemaster. The gamemaster monitors
the status and movement of the two opposing players’ forces,
informs the players of their spotting sweep results and ensures
the smooth play of the game.

Three identical mapsheets and ’Mech sets are needed for
a double-blind game—one for each player and one for the
gamemaster. Each player uses his maps to record the movement
of his own units and any enemy forces his units have detected.
The gamemaster uses his mapsheets to record the movement of
both sides. Additionally, each player records the movement of his
forces on a copy of the double-blind movement chart found at
the back of this book.

But getting back to the Awesome's if BT were to move to a WYSIWYG model, all future games I run can no longer have AWS-8R's or 8T's or any other variant beyond the 8Q/9Q models (3 PPCs/4 PPCs) model as that further defining what a PPC looks like regardless of model because that is the point of a WYSIWYG. From https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/WYSIWYG

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WYSIWYG
    What You See Is What You Get, commonly abbreviated to the acronym WYSIWYG is a basis for the entire Games Workshop line of models. It simply states that whatever kind of wargear or weapons that the model is going to have equipped going into battle MUST be shown on the model. For example, a Space Marine usually is armed with a bolter as part of their standard equipment. In order for everyone who looks at the space marine to know that he has a bolter and not another type of weapon (Flamer, Missile Launcher etc.) a bolter must be physically attached to the model.
    Some types of wargear also must be displayed on the model when appropriate. These wargear items are displayed when Games Workshop models have provided for said wargear. Otherwise, it is up to the player to include these wargear items as imagination permits.
    It should be noted that this term's officiality has come and gone over the years. Tournaments normally give a standard of models that can be used in play, and many have had very lenient policies. Sometimes, one type of miniature could be allowed as a proxy for another. However, often the rules are written to discourage such actions in order to prevent abuse.

So to go FULL WYSIWYG for BT, a PPC must be different from a large laser, and the model must then reflect that change. Remember that AWS-8R I mentioned above, the full weapon loadout is:

SMALL LASER - Head (both models have this, so we are fine here)
LRM-15 - Right Torso (Current 8Q/9Q model has no LRM 15 on the RT, major modelling work must be done to do so)
LRM-15 - Left Torso (Current 8Q/9Q model has no LRM 15 on the LT, major modelling work must be done to do so)
LARGE LASER - Right Arm (Current 8Q/9Q model has a PPC, under true WYSIWYG this must then be modified to distinguish between the two)

Thus, again without an 'official' model, as a Demo Agent I would only have the following as an option to run an 8R/8T in official events:

1. Learn 3D modeling, so I can make my very own unique 3d models of the 8Q. No taking existing models and 'tweaking them', not allowed

2. Get out the X-acto Knife, putty and other bits and hack and model an existing model to represent the model (something I'm not skilled enough to do, nor a lot of other agents)

3. Wait for CGL/Iron Wind metals to spend the $$$ to make an official variant (and who determines priority of models to make???)

4. Stay the course and continue to be a game of 'As long as all parties agree, model choice can be anything!'


Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 10:37:48
where is anyone advocating a 40k-style mini system official or otherwise? we're getting a few variants that are designed to ease the transition into a game that is much (much, much... much) less stringent about these things than they're probably used to. the new series might top four percent of all variants by the time the RecGuide series is done. that's not a lot. some people entering our corner of the hobby might even find it weird to have non-conforming models. like the ability to use bottle caps, it provides another option

no need to blow it up into some kind of existential threat.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 July 2020, 10:40:37
 . . . before everyone goes full lemming . . .

The comment, to me, was that CGL using the KS art and releasing the Rec Guides with new variants that match the KS art offer a understandable entry in 3025 or current 3150 timelines point to folks who have been playing games that are strictly WYSIWYG.  By having the latest release (RecGuides) match the currently released minis/art it provides for a smoother transition to BT's mentality for folks looking for a new game to pick up.  Once they have played with whatever the new Marauder is we get, and they look to know more, we can explain that the Marauder has over a dozen different variants (most of which look like that -3R/-XXx) of which half have a mini . . . but hey, you can use that plastic Marauder you bought in the IS lance box to be a Marauder -3R in 3028, Marauder -5S in 3050, or Marauder -9D in 3145.  They all look the same!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 15 July 2020, 10:41:24
Ok, I need some clarification first:

Has there been official declaration that the models and artwork are in fact WYSIWYG?

OR any explanation that there was simply a goal to have a model that had reasonable visual reference to the record sheet.  The record sheet being the standard of what is on the table, not the model.

OR was was there speculation (not from CGL) about what CGL was doing and someone used the WYSIWYG acronym which started a smelly ball rolling uphill.

To be fair I only skimmed through posts when they first started rolling out and all I remember (possibly not correctly) there was just push to have some continuity amount models and record sheets without going WYSIWYG because of simple (I say casually) visual appeal.

[edit] I think I get the feeling what I read was the similar to Colt & Sartis.  (bolded b/c I think it's close to above post)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 10:45:21
wysiwyg is a loaded term (note the pockets of panic you get just by mentioning it)

these are variants where the weapon placement matches the mini. nothing more.

mountains out of molehills and all that
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 15 July 2020, 10:48:14
I could totally understand someone who runs events needing a firm and direct ruling, not using a term that has it's own power without any additional connotation to it ... the word level needs connotation, WYSIWYG does not (ie should not be used loosely).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Daryk on 15 July 2020, 10:49:00
wysiwyg is a loaded term (note the pockets of panic you get just by mentioning it)

these are variants where the weapon placement matches the mini. nothing more.

mountains out of molehills and all that
I had my concern allayed about a page ago, which is why I haven't said anything further.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 July 2020, 11:01:34
The issue is WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Got/get), began with 40k, and as folks are saying switching to WYSIWYG is a good thing, I am merely pointing out the other side, of the coin, playing Devil's Advocate if you will:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/devil-s-advocate
Quote
devil's advocate
noun [ C usually singular ]
uk
/ˌdev.əlz ˈæd.və.kət/ us
/ˌdev.əlz ˈæd.və.kət/
someone who pretends, in an argument or discussion, to be against an idea or plan that a lot of people support, in order to make people discuss and consider it in more detail:

So, I was expressing counter arguments to various aspects of WYSIWYG I had seen above:

CGL doing the WYSIWYG thing is a natural part of the effort to bring BT into line with what is expected in modern gaming. I think it is safe to assume that the vast majority of new people who might come to the TT game will either be from a 40k background where WYSIWYG is normal or be brought in via the two current video games that (as far as I know) both have a 'Mechs visual loadout change along with the actual loadout.

This combined with the fact that increasing numbers of people are able to actually 3D print great looking models at home. Any game that can't support WYSIWYG is going to look behind the times to new players. BT already struggles under the weight of its own history so little things like this should be embraced.

So, don't think I am completely aiti WYSIWYG (I'd love more variations in models), I'm simply pointing out counter arguments as to why currently moving to a WYSIWYG style-of-play is not viable at this moment in time.


Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: nckestrel on 15 July 2020, 11:04:48
The WYSIWYG was purely internal for submitting specific variants for a specific book.
This isn't new, the primary TR variant has always had to match the art. (Or the art match the primary TR variant).  In this case, the art also happens to be used for another variant, making the design work more "interesting".
The circumstances are different, but it's still the same standard as has been true for most every Technical Readout since 3025.

It has never meant anything, in BT, for the players as any sort of requirement.  It's in the official rules. TW p20. "players may use whatever miniature they have on hand or any other counter or item to represent each unit". Miniatures arent even required, much less specific miniatures.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 July 2020, 11:07:39
Thanx nckestrel!

Just thought I'd point out, love your side project of WYSIWYG design challenge, etc.

And for others, don;t take my posts above as being anti-WYSIWYG, just point out counter arguments some folks may not think about.

I have long been a "lets try and break it now so we don;t need to fix it later!"
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mecha82 on 15 July 2020, 11:10:04
While personally I don't have issue with WYSIWYG I do hope that it's going to stay as optional thing in BT and doesn't become rule like is with 40k. I mean to me big thing about BT has always been lack of WYSIWG rule thanks to record sheets being your units and miniatures being difficult to find outside ordering those online. Also not everyone has 3D printers so it's wrong to assume that everyone has access to those.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 July 2020, 11:37:58
The issue is WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Got/get), began with 40k, and as folks are saying switching to WYSIWYG is a good thing, I am merely pointing out the other side, of the coin, playing Devil's Advocate if you will:

. . . .

So, don't think I am completely aiti WYSIWYG (I'd love more variations in models), I'm simply pointing out counter arguments as to why currently moving to a WYSIWYG style-of-play is not viable at this moment in time.

No one was advocating WYSIWYG, you took that and raced for the cliff on your own.  Dmon was talking about supporting that approach- which the KS art & Rec Guides do quite well.

Leave the molehill be . . .
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 15 July 2020, 11:39:42
No one was advocating WYSIWYG, you took that and raced for the cliff on your own.  Dmon was talking about supporting that approach- which the KS art & Rec Guides do quite well.

Leave the molehill be . . .

Sorry, was not aware the only discussion that could be taken was supporting WYSIWYG, and that counter arguments were verbotten ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 15 July 2020, 11:40:22
The devil's advocate approach did not come across that way at all until you clarified later.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 11:44:25
There is a huge issue with WYSIWYG for BT.
[/quote]

your "counter argument" was against something not being suggested, much less made

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 July 2020, 11:48:28
Sorry, was not aware the only discussion that could be taken was supporting WYSIWYG, and that counter arguments were verbotten ;)

It was not even that!  No one was trying to support WYSIWYG, you made that assumption on your own.  No need to play the martyr.  What was said, again, that KS art & minis were matching- and had some benefits of being- WYSIWYG for the latest variants provided in the Rec Guides.  Instead of KS minis being '3025 designs only.'

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 15 July 2020, 11:50:10
It was not even that!  No one was trying to support WYSIWYG, you made that assumption on your own.  No need to play the martyr.  What was said, again, that KS art & minis were matching- and had some benefits of being- WYSIWYG for the latest variants provided in the Rec Guides.  Instead of KS minis being '3025 designs only.'
I see it as really benefiting new players, having mini match the sheet really helps them avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 15 July 2020, 11:52:53
Guys, you are running in circles. About nothing.
Read Nckestrel's reply again and then I suggest to change the topic.
There is nothing to discuss or fear here.

The WYSIWYG was purely internal for submitting specific variants for a specific book.
This isn't new, the primary TR variant has always had to match the art. (Or the art match the primary TR variant).  In this case, the art also happens to be used for another variant, making the design work more "interesting".
The circumstances are different, but it's still the same standard as has been true for most every Technical Readout since 3025.

It has never meant anything, in BT, for the players as any sort of requirement.  It's in the official rules. TW p20. "players may use whatever miniature they have on hand or any other counter or item to represent each unit". Miniatures arent even required, much less specific miniatures.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 15 July 2020, 12:06:57
Think I'll create a proxy unit topic later, but to get back on track:

While we are waiting for PoD and the Rec Guide Vol III this Friday, anything I'm forgetting?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 12:08:52
there's always fiction lurking.

TtS: Kaumberg and SO: Thermo Police are slated for next week
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 15 July 2020, 12:57:13
Do we have any updated timeline for Golden Century/Irregulars beyond "when it gets done?"

Not complaining, just wondering.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 13:02:40
I’m guessing the next news we’ll here is that it’s on sale
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 15 July 2020, 13:18:24
I believe TRO:GC is waiting for the PoD process to be ready so CGI can drop PDF, PoD +  Bundles at the same time, something most of us are cool with.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 13:53:21
regardless of who is cool with it and who is not cool with it, we are indeed waiting for the PoD process so both can be released simultaneously
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 15 July 2020, 13:53:53
I’m guessing the next news we’ll here is that it’s on sale

Like hell. I'll announce a date for release as soon as we have one we can put our backs against. We're not there yet.

I believe TRO:GC is waiting for the PoD process to be ready so CGI can drop PDF, PoD +  Bundles at the same time, something most of us are cool with.

Yes, specifically waiting on proofs of the TRO:GC to get to Ray, so he can approve them for on-sale production. ED:GC POD is good to go, but we're going to stick to the plan of releasing it all together.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 15 July 2020, 14:53:54
Like hell. I'll announce a date for release as soon as we have one we can put our backs against. We're not there yet.

in my very limited experience with vendors, it seems "the date i can be certain of product delivery" and "the delivery date" are often the same.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 15 July 2020, 15:26:41
ED:GC POD is good to go, but we're going to stick to the plan of releasing it all together.

My royalty checks will soar!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 15 July 2020, 15:28:25
My royalty checks will soar!

You can treat yourself to dinner, and supersize it! 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 15 July 2020, 16:12:56
Writers often dine on pride and self-satisfaction, only sometimes do they get fries with it. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 15 July 2020, 16:54:28
Writers often dine on pride and self-satisfaction, only sometimes do they get fries with it. 

Sadly, there is a lot of truth in this ...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 15 July 2020, 16:55:48
My royalty checks will soar!
Only by about 15-20%.

Personally I like the 'match the art' design challenge, it gives an interesting restriction on what you can do and what you can't.  And sometimes comes up with some surprisingly effective redesigns, looking at you 6/9/9 Griffin...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 15 July 2020, 17:02:44
Well, I just got a shipping notice for my order- with three labels though the posters and puzzles are separate labels.

Same about the gun port match designs Kamas.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 16 July 2020, 01:35:56
Well, I just got a shipping notice for my order- with three labels though the posters and puzzles are separate labels.


Lucky you. I am still waiting :(

when did you order?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 16 July 2020, 09:16:26
When they announced the puzzles/posters- but to be fair I also ordered some shirts I had been putting off, so the order is more than just the puzzle & posters.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 16 July 2020, 09:31:55
No notification but my USPS informed delivery tells me a package is arriving from Georgia today so I’m guessing that’s it
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 16 July 2020, 10:53:17
My royalty checks will soar!

*snrk*

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 16 July 2020, 11:37:36
Just got an email (at 9:54A, CMT) that BOTH my poster orders have shipped, and it appears they're in ONE shipment.   :thumbsup:
 Which is GREAT, considering I placed two different orders, since I didn't know they had SR posters until AFTER I'd ordered the BT set.   :-[

Now to figure out WHO to Thank for them being Combined!   ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 16 July 2020, 12:02:27
No notification but my USPS informed delivery tells me a package is arriving from Georgia today so I’m guessing that’s it

If it's Suwanee, GA, that's it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 16 July 2020, 12:11:16
yeah, it's generally the only stuff i get from there
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PyreLight on 16 July 2020, 13:22:33
Sorry to ask, but does anyone know what the status is with the Canon Characters for those who missed the deadline (my reason: corona in the family)?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkISI on 16 July 2020, 13:43:39
If you haven't filled out your survey last time around, you should have gotten a new one recently.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 16 July 2020, 13:56:13
got the warehouse shipping confirmation. posters confirmed for monday. puzzles shipped today
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PyreLight on 16 July 2020, 15:39:13
If you haven't filled out your survey last time around, you should have gotten a new one recently.

I haven't received a new one unfortunately. Who should I contact about the survey?

EDIT: whoops, I thought I was replying in the Kickstarter thread. My sincere apologies.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Reldn on 16 July 2020, 19:15:15
Nice! Just got the shipping confirmation for the puzzles & posters as well.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteveRestless on 16 July 2020, 19:42:44
I haven't received a new one unfortunately. Who should I contact about the survey?

EDIT: whoops, I thought I was replying in the Kickstarter thread. My sincere apologies.

I am also in this situatuion.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 17 July 2020, 08:34:59
I am also in this situatuion.

Here you go. (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=69603.msg1631272#new)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2020, 10:52:43
Gray Markets is now PoD

edit: is onslaught in the pipe too?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 17 July 2020, 10:59:26
Gray Markets is now PoD

Thanks for posting this Sartris, I just went on Amazon and got it ordered.  Another book for my collection  :)

Psy
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sharpnel on 17 July 2020, 11:14:50
Thanks for posting this Sartris, I just went on Amazon and got it ordered.  Another book for my collection  :)

Psy
Ditto
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2020, 12:24:52
So whats out today? The Recognition Guide and anything else?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2020, 12:25:44
Nothing official. Gray Markets in PoD is probably the fiction drop unless we get a late surprise
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 17 July 2020, 13:54:16
I'm about to break my F5 key for Recognition Guide:  Vol 3.  Just FYI to the general community.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2020, 14:02:49
Now Available – Recognition Guide: ilClan vol. 3; Slack Tide and Gray Markets in POD


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BattleMech Recognition Guide: ilClan, vol. 3

The march of technology across BattleTech’s eras is relentless—but some BattleMech designs never die. Each installment of this PDF-only series not only includes a brand new BattleMech or OmniMech, but also details Classic ‘Mech designs from both the Inner Sphere and the Clans, now fully rebuilt with Dark Age technology (3085 and beyond).

Allowing beloved units redesigned for the BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter to be competitive on “modern” battlefields, this series also includes in-universe development notes, battle histories, notable pilots, and record sheets for each ‘Mech.

Catalyst Game Labs web store: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/copy-of-battletech-recognition-guide-ilclan-vol-3 (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/copy-of-battletech-recognition-guide-ilclan-vol-3)
DriveThruRPG: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/320803/BattleTech-Recognition-Guide-ilClan-Vol-3 (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/320803/BattleTech-Recognition-Guide-ilClan-Vol-3)

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Slack Tide
Price: 13.95, Print-on-Demand

Peace may sell…but what if no one’s buying?

On 21 May 3052, the seemingly unstoppable military juggernaut of the invading Clans was defeated in a pitched campaign on the quiet world of Tukayyid. This astonishing victory bought the weary armies of the Inner Sphere a fifteen-year stay before the invasion can resume. But despite the truce, the fire driving the Clans’ centuries-long quest to conquer Terra, the birthplace of humankind, and rebuild Inner Sphere civilization in their warmongering image has not been extinguished. Conflict still rages above the truce line, and the Clans are biding their time until the tide of war can surge up and flood the Inner Sphere once more.

Slack Tide collects nine stories that chronicle the life-and-death struggles still being waged in the wake of Tukayyid’s so-called peace. Fan-favorite authors such as Jason Hansa, Philip A. Lee, and Craig A. Reed, Jr. spin tales of undercover operatives seeking to gain the secrets of Clan BattleMech technology, Inner Sphere MechWarriors attempting dangerous escapes from Clan-controlled planets, and mercenaries fighting to protect the only things that truly matter to them—themselves and their loved ones.

The Clans’ invasion may have been temporarily halted, but the true battles for the future of the Inner Sphere have only just begun…

Purchase now via Amazon Print-on-Demand. (https://www.amazon.com/BattleTech-Slack-Tide-BattleCorps-Anthology/dp/194733526X)

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Gray Markets
Price: $9.99, Print-on-Demand

Combat is their business…

And business is good in the 31st century as the Third Succession War rages on battlefields ruled by the almighty BattleMech: ten-meter-tall humanoid machines of pure destruction. Continuous warfare between the five Great Houses of the Inner Sphere has led to a steep technological decline, forcing the nobility of these vast interstellar empires to rely on mercenaries to augment their standing armies and gain crucial advantages against their enemies. However, that House nobleman may be paying your unit’s bills one day, but sending you straight into a trap tomorrow. BattleMechs may be the kings of the battlefield, but money, power, and machinations are just as important in victory as an autocannon barrage.

This anthology of hard-hitting BattleTech action includes six short stories that demonstrate how Machiavellian nobles, greedy pirates, and desperate mercenary units can change the course of Inner Sphere history. Take up the cause and charge your way through war-torn tales by veteran BattleTech authors such as Chris Hussey, Philip A. Lee, and Craig A. Reed, Jr.

Purchase now via Amazon Print-on-Demand (https://www.amazon.com/BattleTech-Gray-Markets-Anthology/dp/1947335251).
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 17 July 2020, 14:06:35
Recognition Guide: IlClan—now in grape flavor!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 17 July 2020, 14:07:48
Scratch 'n' sniff coming in the second cycle, starting with vol. 7
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 17 July 2020, 14:30:32
And look at that, just time for the end of my work day. I can't comment on the content yet, but your timing is impeccable  :thumbsup:

Cheers
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2020, 14:45:08
Very very good stuff! Some interesting variants and more juicy lore tidbits and some lovely nods to heroes and villains of the past.

(https://i.imgur.com/aHwuHGJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Giovanni Blasini on 17 July 2020, 14:51:14
Just got done reading the BattleMaster entry.  I should be finished giggling like a little school-aged child eventually.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sigil on 17 July 2020, 14:57:51
Please offer Steve Mohan's Isle of the Blessed novel in PoD. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 17 July 2020, 15:51:50
The Jade Phoenix is now 3 for 3 in the Recognition Guides.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2020, 16:19:23
The Jade Phoenix is now 3 for 3 in the Recognition Guides.

My two guesses are this. Whereas the Heirofalcon seems to be like a lower tech and easier to build successor to the Gyrfalon the Jade Phoenix is either

A) - A sensible and less ultra-specialised Jade Hawk

B) - An Omni-Shrike thats been designed better so its configs are less wonky. Even stripping out the UAC's for a HAG would be smart money.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 17 July 2020, 16:21:51
The Hierofalcon is in every way more of a very up-gunned Eyrie.  The Gyrfalcon still serves a distinct purpose as extreme range skirmisher that the Hierofalcon doens't do in any but one config, where it does so poorly.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: marauder648 on 17 July 2020, 16:37:29
The Hierofalcon is in every way more of a very up-gunned Eyrie.  The Gyrfalcon still serves a distinct purpose as extreme range skirmisher that the Hierofalcon doens't do in any but one config, where it does so poorly.

Very true (and I didn't think about the Eyrie!) but with all its advanced gubbins and weird combo of features like MASC and jump jets and reflective armour etc, one could easily make a lore idea that the Gyrfalcon's either resource intensive/hard to make or is a bit of a maintenace nightmare. The Hiero's not able to do the Gyr's job of long distance  sniping and irritation fire with its ACs but it does everything else. And because its not got anything super advanced in its construction, it probably does so at reduced resource cost :) 

Of course this is just a head canon idea :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Geg on 17 July 2020, 16:39:52
A sensible and less ultra-specialised Jade Hawk

The Jade Hawk was not an exclusive Falcon Mech.   I have a hunch that the JP is A better version of that build and that the JP is gonna be the ilClan’s Era Timberwolf. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mecha82 on 17 July 2020, 16:40:55
Is there going to be Clan Invasion TRO? I am interested to know as I am eager to replace my old FASA era TROs with newest Catalyst era ones.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 17 July 2020, 16:44:52
Is there going to be Clan Invasion TRO? I am interested to know as I am eager to replace my old FASA era TROs with newest Catalyst era ones.
here you go:
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-technical-readout-clan-invasion
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GreekFire on 17 July 2020, 16:46:06
The Hierofalcon is in every way more of a very up-gunned Eyrie.  The Gyrfalcon still serves a distinct purpose as extreme range skirmisher that the Hierofalcon doens't do in any but one config, where it does so poorly.

I got more of an impression of it being a Falcon take on the Shadow Cat. More of an emphasis on jumping vs ground speed, but serving in similar roles beyond that.

It's a pretty neat design. Love the art.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mecha82 on 17 July 2020, 16:46:46
here you go:
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-technical-readout-clan-invasion

Ah, thanks.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 17 July 2020, 16:48:24
There have been two follow ups to TRO Succession Wars

TRO: Clan Invasion covers up to around 3063 or thereabouts
TRO: Jihad hits some more of the invasion and has a lot of the WoB mechs. It also touches on some of the early republic stuff that debuted in the early to mid 3080s

They didn’t (and don’t plan to) do a Civil War-specific option as a lot of those machines have been folded into the other two
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jymset on 17 July 2020, 16:49:15
My two guesses are this. Whereas the Heirofalcon seems to be like a lower tech and easier to build successor to the Gyrfalon the Jade Phoenix is either

A) - A sensible and less ultra-specialised Jade Hawk

B) - An Omni-Shrike thats been designed better so its configs are less wonky. Even stripping out the UAC's for a HAG would be smart money.

Yes.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 17 July 2020, 16:52:28
Nice! Just got the shipping confirmation for the puzzles & posters as well.

Yay. Same for me. Now I only hope, that shipment will make it in time before I ride off for vacation next friday...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 17 July 2020, 16:52:56
I got more of an impression of it being a Falcon take on the Shadow Cat. More of an emphasis on jumping vs ground speed, but serving in similar roles beyond that.

It's a pretty neat design. Love the art.
I see it more of it being a cutting-edge Omni Phoenix Hawk, use it as such and it will work.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Scotty on 17 July 2020, 16:57:04
Very true (and I didn't think about the Eyrie!) but with all its advanced gubbins and weird combo of features like MASC and jump jets and reflective armour etc,

MASC has been around for over 400 years by now, first appearing in the Star League. ???

I don't think the intent, in or out of setting, is for the Hierofalcon to replace any other of the Partial Wing 'Mechs.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 17 July 2020, 17:00:02
MASC has been around for over 400 years by now, first appearing in the Star League. ???

I don't think the intent, in or out of setting, is for the Hierofalcon to replace any other of the Partial Wing 'Mechs.

Plus its just the Gyrfalcon 1 that has the Reflec armor and other old cutting edge gear.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2020, 11:15:10
Posters arrived today (ahead of usps estimates even). Puzzles should arrive Monday
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Gaiiten on 18 July 2020, 12:01:34
My two guesses are this. Whereas the Heirofalcon seems to be like a lower tech and easier to build successor to the Gyrfalon the Jade Phoenix is either

A) - A sensible and less ultra-specialised Jade Hawk

B) - An Omni-Shrike thats been designed better so its configs are less wonky. Even stripping out the UAC's for a HAG would be smart money.

I hope for a Jade Falcon Mech with Interface Control system.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 18 July 2020, 13:15:20
here you go:
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/products/battletech-technical-readout-clan-invasion
Any idea if some of the out of print books (TRO3150 & Campaign Ops for example) are going to be reprint or made POD? I have the pdfs, but never got around to buying print copies until it was too late.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 18 July 2020, 13:35:09
Any idea if some of the out of print books (TRO3150 & Campaign Ops for example) are going to be reprint or made POD? I have the pdfs, but never got around to buying print copies until it was too late.

Apparently they want to give CampOps a working over, so really unlikely.

3145 is the landscape orientation which apparently gives POD fits. Unlikely, but who knows. TROs are apparently not great sellers.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 18 July 2020, 14:01:05
TROs are among the best sellers.

They're unfortunately also among the most expensive products to produce.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Adrian Gideon on 18 July 2020, 14:07:25
TROs are among the best sellers.
In the Fasa days.
Any idea if some of the out of print books (TRO3150 & Campaign Ops for example) are going to be reprint or made POD? I have the pdfs, but never got around to buying print copies until it was too late.
No plans at this time to convert OOP TROs to POD. Same goes for any of the currently OOP TW-line core books. No plans at this time for Campaign Operations. We're currently in discussions on whether or not to revise it or reprint it at all.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: I am Belch II on 18 July 2020, 14:16:40
I like the TROs. Like seeing all the equipment in one space.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 18 July 2020, 14:17:28
I hope for a Jade Falcon Mech with Interface Control system.

Given that pilots with EI are far from rare in the Falcons, I think that might actually be a good idea.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderCH IIC on 18 July 2020, 14:31:19
In the Fasa days.No plans at this time to convert OOP TROs to POD. Same goes for any of the currently OOP TW-line core books. No plans at this time for Campaign Operations. We're currently in discussions on whether or not to revise it or reprint it at all.


That's understandable for TROs covered in the new Succession Wars, Clan Invasion, and Jihad TROs. But units from 3145 and 3150 don't appear in those TROs. Wouldn't these TROs feature units in the current timeline and be useful to players?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 18 July 2020, 14:49:05
I consider introtech and invasion era TROs far more useful than end-of-timeline TROs, with the exception of the rec guides. My group doesn't play end of timeline. The new mechs are meaningless to them, and they aren't willing to invest the time finding out about them.

The new stuff isn't disallowed or anything, just not prominent.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2020, 15:08:48
In the Fasa days

Ah good, I remember someone saying this relatively recently but I couldn’t dig it up. Though that we haven’t got a non-compilation print volume between 3150 and Golden Century (pod at that) should be telling
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 18 July 2020, 15:15:59
Given that pilots with EI are far from rare in the Falcons, I think that might actually be a good idea.

Unless its become more common as its been developed?  If its tech the clans want to use they tend to try and perfect it
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Maingunnery on 18 July 2020, 15:21:47
In my personal opinion BT really needs constantly available compilation TROs that only use new art.
I guess that after the final Rec Guide we will see 2-3 POD products that I will immediately order.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 18 July 2020, 15:27:55
i think one of the crippling issues for TRO: SW was that the macross crew was unavailable due to the HG shenanigans. the CMs had already produced a good number of them and others (famously the crud) were in process. take the Macross 10, quads, and osts, and replace some of the age of war stuff that was extinct by the 30th century and you have a very different book.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: MarauderD on 18 July 2020, 19:46:43
i think one of the crippling issues for TRO: SW was that the macross crew was unavailable due to the HG shenanigans. the CMs had already produced a good number of them and others (famously the crud) were in process. take the Macross 10, quads, and osts, and replace some of the age of war stuff that was extinct by the 30th century and you have a very different book.

100% agree.  I would only buy a dtf version of that book if it included all of the Macross/Unseen as it probably should have.  Lawsuits/issues got in the way, which is a shame.  If I could really have a new TRO I could show my kids that included all the important mechs that the game is based on it would be great.  Alas, as is, TRO SW is not that book.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 19 July 2020, 14:53:13
In the Fasa days.No plans at this time to convert OOP TROs to POD. Same goes for any of the currently OOP TW-line core books. No plans at this time for Campaign Operations. We're currently in discussions on whether or not to revise it or reprint it at all.
Thanks for the info, back to scouring the web for copies.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 19 July 2020, 14:53:25
Macross 10 Quads???  Quads are from entirely different anime which doesn't have the Robotech/Macross issues.

Anyways.  Another 2 weeks to go until the next RecGuide.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 July 2020, 15:06:21
No, the macross 10 are the unseen like the warhammer. The quads are the scorpion and Goliath

Wasp
Stinger
Valkyrie
Phawk
Rifleman
Crusader
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
Longbow
Marauder II
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 19 July 2020, 16:06:23
Should be 11. You're missing the Archer.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 July 2020, 16:09:09
Should be 11. You're missing the Archer.

Oh right. The marauder ii isn’t an original macross design
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wrangler on 19 July 2020, 17:15:52
No, the macross 10 are the unseen like the warhammer. The quads are the scorpion and Goliath

Wasp
Stinger
Valkyrie
Phawk
Rifleman
Crusader
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
Longbow
Marauder II
Ok, because i thought you were including the quads in their group of Macross.  Fang of the Sun Dougram is where quads came from along with the Griffin, Shadow Hawk, and BattleMaster.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 19 July 2020, 17:21:35
I also did not include the osts because their connection to the anime is tenuous at best
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dukeroyal on 19 July 2020, 23:09:46
Has an updated release date for Icons of War been announced?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 July 2020, 11:37:17
no new firm fiction release dates have been made.

puzzles arrived today.

the 8x8 boxes immediately struck me as ideal for mini expansions

4 mechs
record sheets (would have to be folded in half)
terrain hexes
short story
faction profile
pilot cards
mini campaign scenario book / rules annex
collector's dice
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 20 July 2020, 11:45:28
Mine is supposed to arrive today per US postal . . .
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 July 2020, 11:57:45
I’m early on my guy’s route. Usually delivered by 9:30-10am
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 20 July 2020, 12:23:13
Has an updated release date for Icons of War been announced?

I haven't heard of one yet.....

Craig
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 20 July 2020, 13:21:47
I need to get with John and adjust those dates as necessary. Have been consumed with trying to get stuff edited, and putting some of the scheduling stuff second.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: 00Dawg on 20 July 2020, 14:57:06
I noticed the POD discussion about TRO's.

I'd settle for one big one to incorporate all TRO entries to date, printed and otherwise, with errata.

Something like this:
(http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/largestbook1.jpg)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 20 July 2020, 15:18:31
requiring a STR check at DC 12 EVERY time, sure most of us will make it through a session.  But rolling a 1/20 happens a lot more than we'd admit.

Although some of you have posted how bad your rolling is, might have to 'assist another' to make it work.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 20 July 2020, 15:36:59
Well, posters, puzzles & shirts just got here . . . not sure why 3 boxes, 1 mostly empty to protect the poster tube, but . . . now i need the poster frames.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 20 July 2020, 16:47:50
Finally got around to ordering all the new fiction(not legacy).  Was Kell Hounds Ascendant not PoD?  Everything else I ordered using the not Prime free shipping won't been here until the 31st, but Kell Hounds Ascendant showed up less than 24 hours after I ordered it.  That's some fast printing.  I checked, the pages aren't blank.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 July 2020, 16:49:45
Does it have the barcode on the last page? Pod books tell you when they were printed

They may have had some stock leftover from another printing for some reason
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 20 July 2020, 17:37:29
Does it have the barcode on the last page? Pod books tell you when they were printed

They may have had some stock leftover from another printing for some reason

Yup.  Says printed may 23 too.  I wonder if it's something where they know battletech books will sell X amount in the first few months so they create a back stock?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 July 2020, 19:30:00
Possibly. It may also be from a cancelled order or someone hit 12 instead of 11 on the print job
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: The Wayfarer on 20 July 2020, 20:28:21
My posters arrived today.  Puzzles did not.  Anyone else in the same boat?

Mike
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 20 July 2020, 20:43:57
my posters were a day ahead. i'd expect them tomorrow
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: NeonKnight on 20 July 2020, 20:45:24
My posters arrived today.  Puzzles did not.  Anyone else in the same boat?

Mike

Nothing showed up for me. Mind you I never ordered anything so right on schedule.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wolfcannon on 20 July 2020, 22:05:23
Any news on tro:gc?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 20 July 2020, 22:28:34
I noticed the POD discussion about TRO's.

I'd settle for one big one to incorporate all TRO entries to date, printed and otherwise, with errata.

Something like this:
(http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/largestbook1.jpg)

Isn't that the old Star Fleet Battles Rulebook??  :D :D

Craig
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: dgorsman on 20 July 2020, 22:35:30
I think it's the teaser for the next release of the strategic campaign rules...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 20 July 2020, 22:40:11
No.  It's Max Liao's shitlist.  And it's only the beginning.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 20 July 2020, 23:05:42
Any news on tro:gc?

A page or so ago, it will be when it will be, and Cubby intends to let us know as soon as they figure things out when its solid.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 21 July 2020, 14:47:36
No.  It's Max Liao's shitlist.  And it's only the beginning.
That's just the book for people whose last names begin with "A"!  :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 21 July 2020, 15:52:40
those are just the complaints against hanse
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 21 July 2020, 18:53:16
There are whole chapters that consist of only "Hanse the Fox" over and over again, punctuated with classical Chinese swear words.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 21 July 2020, 19:40:08
There are whole chapters that consist of only "Hanse the Fox" over and over again, punctuated with classical Chinese swear words.

*Firefly flashbacks, man what cool and fun show*
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RotS fan on 21 July 2020, 22:45:32
I'll never understand how, after some time, every thread derails with of people writing off topic posts using mid-2000s humor. Cmon, you're better than this.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 21 July 2020, 22:58:20
but being the guy who tells people they're having fun wrong is timeless
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 21 July 2020, 23:06:49
Yes, and Max Liao humor is actually an early 90s thing.

That, and if I get all upset about waiting 6 or 7 years for the IlClan and freak out thinking it's not coming out, I will get a warning.  I've been there and done that.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 21 July 2020, 23:17:58
I was going to say that's the new Battletech Rule Compendium all the rule lawyers keep asking for. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 22 July 2020, 00:48:54
I'll never understand how, after some time, every thread derails with of people writing off topic posts using mid-2000s humor. Cmon, you're better than this.

I assure you we are in fact not.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 22 July 2020, 02:35:40
I was going to say that's the new Battletech Rule Compendium all the rule lawyers keep asking for.

Finally!  Special case rules for firing a nuclear tipped missile out of a Long Tom cannon! 

(This is an actual thing from a non-canon scenario published in a magazine back in the 1990s.)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Pat Payne on 22 July 2020, 02:54:25
Finally!  Special case rules for firing a nuclear tipped missile out of a Long Tom cannon! 

(This is an actual thing from a non-canon scenario published in a magazine back in the 1990s.)

Someone actually statted up Atomic Annie?  :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: RanFelsnerAFFS on 22 July 2020, 05:34:55
My posters arrived today.

My batch was scheduled to bei delivered by FedEx over two days. But luckily both packages arrived already yesterday 😍
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Chinless on 22 July 2020, 06:52:02
Finally!  Special case rules for firing a nuclear tipped missile out of a Long Tom cannon!

That'd be the Type 1b or Davy Crockett M from IO p174-175 if you just mean nuclear shells for standard artillery.

If you mean a Copperhead artillery-fired missile version from TO AUE p167, or indeed the artillery cannon weapons, then the custom nuke rules in IO p 177 will allow you to make those.

Chris
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Mendrugo on 22 July 2020, 09:10:13
Unfortunately, the scenario author got his terms mixed, and stated that the Long Tom fired a nuclear missile, not a copperhead shell.  The only way I could think to reconcile it was some sort of two-stage gyrojet shell that had a rocket booster which activated mid-flight.

From White Wolf #8: As the Combine raiding force, including the player 'Mechs, stages for the push against Gehenna, the city garrison uses a Long Tom artillery gun to fire a fission-bomb-tipped missile at the landing pad.  The bomb detonates in the high atmosphere, creating an EMP field that shuts down every unit on the pad, and makes any unprotected personnel suffer from radiation poisoning.

The existing rules say the Davy Crockett-M can’t do air bursts, just ground detonations.  So some extra rules fudging is required.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 22 July 2020, 09:50:08
(sigh) Good lord, we need to release some more stuff. This is getting way off track.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Beargram on 22 July 2020, 10:41:20
(sigh) Good lord, we need to release some more stuff. This is getting way off track.

Chop-chop!  ;)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 July 2020, 10:46:48
(sigh) Good lord, we need to release some more stuff. This is getting way off track.

It’s working!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Doom on 22 July 2020, 12:32:23
(sigh) Good lord, we need to release some more stuff. This is getting way off track.

Just a couple weeks before Hanseatic Crusade, right? :)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 22 July 2020, 12:59:04
Just a couple weeks before Hanseatic Crusade, right? :)

It's scheduled for August 7th.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 22 July 2020, 17:20:34
I got an SRM 4 in the mail Saturday afternoon!   :)

I got 2 Sets each of the BT and SR posters.  I Pre-ordered the BT posters, then not 5 minutes later discovered they had a set of SR posters, so went back and Pre-ordered them as well.  I couldn't figure out how to cancel my BT Pre-order, so I attempted the "Contact Us" Customer Service thing to get the 2 Pre-Orders combined, hoping they'd refund part of the shipping.  Never got a reply, but at least Someone was on the ball at the Warehouse and taped everything into one bundle.   ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 22 July 2020, 18:47:14
(sigh) Good lord, we need to release some more stuff. This is getting way off track.
Now imagine if this was a voice chat channel.

Battletech Karaoke.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 July 2020, 18:51:18
Doing a drunken group rendition of piano man would both be inevitable and catastrophic
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: shivanwurm on 22 July 2020, 19:12:51
Doing a drunken group rendition of piano man would both be inevitable and catastrophic

It would change into a parody involving Urbanmechs and we all know it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 22 July 2020, 19:33:28
It takes a team to derail this thread!

Guys, I'm glad to sing songs about Urbies with you all, even if we're not drinking fusionaires.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 July 2020, 19:40:01
Sing us a song trash can robot man
Sing us a song tonight
We’ll sing off key drunk on PPCs
And get up five times to go pee
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 22 July 2020, 20:04:25
Paul is an energy weapons specialist
He wants to rule his own fife...

He's talking to Maeve
who never served in the Taurian Navy
She'll pilot an Urbie for life...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 July 2020, 20:15:13
cubby you need to get us something to chew on here or the entire billy joel catalog is going to get butchered

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 22 July 2020, 20:20:13
It's five o'clock on a Saturday
The 'Mech pilot crowd spacejumps in
There's an old man sitting next to me
Fusionnaire raised to his chin

He says, "Son, can you play me a memory
The Star League anthem, suppose
Cause it's sad and it's sweet and I knew it complete
When I an UrbanMech drove"

cubby you need to get us something to chew on here or the entire billy joel catalog is going to get butchered
Don't tempt me to keep going.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: cobaltcoil on 22 July 2020, 20:20:24
Cubby will probably run away screaming while pulling out all of his hair if the billy joel catalog is broken out and butchered....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: cobaltcoil on 22 July 2020, 20:22:52
Ans Kamas, that should be outlawed by the Ares Convention as cruel and inhuman torture....
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 22 July 2020, 20:25:01
I feel somewhat responsible for this.

One of the greater achievements in my life really.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 22 July 2020, 20:32:13
Cheers, guys!  T'was all in good fun.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 22 July 2020, 22:12:17
And after all that, if you don't give us something new fast I can't be held responsible for what comes next. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 22 July 2020, 22:23:29
Just remember this next time you have job interview ... the internet remembers all; good, bad, wrong, right, cool, kewl, and Battletech!

So, we have this, uh copy of this 'thing' you posted on a website about giant robots.  Could you explain those? And what is a BS elemental?

Also, thinking of Billy Joel songs ... Allentown, Down Easter Alexa (sp) ... you could soooo fit those into BT!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 July 2020, 22:35:28
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/3830ca310da19a1dfba1b4eb76d296ac/tenor.gif?itemid=14238449)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 22 July 2020, 22:36:02
Just remember this next time you have job interview ... the internet remembers all; good, bad, wrong, right, cool, kewl, and Battletech!

So, we have this, uh copy of this 'thing' you posted on a website about giant robots.  Could you explain those? And what is a BS elemental?

Also, thinking of Billy Joel songs ... Allentown, Down Easter Alexa (sp) ... you could soooo fit those into BT!

Pressure!  Or Leave Me Alone. 

I agree that Allentown is a good one, about despoiling whole planets and what the populace has to do in the wake of boom times.

And as for the long memory of the Internet,  I'm a self employed poet, stuff like this is practically my job.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: cobaltcoil on 22 July 2020, 22:48:42
How about Hanse Davion doing a song about Melissa Steiner.... She is his Tharkad Girl living on a Snowy clad world...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 22 July 2020, 23:07:33
I feel like I should be threatening to banish you all to the Hall or something...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 22 July 2020, 23:13:13
Thank you for your vast patience with us.  We were too drunk to stop, you see...

I can't wait until it's IlClan time!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: GRUD on 22 July 2020, 23:26:04
I feel like I should be threatening to banish you all to the Hall or something...
I had to sit in the hall a time or two when I was in school!   ;D
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 22 July 2020, 23:26:19
Thank you for your vast patience with us.  We were too drunk to stop, you see...

If you're posting at this hour of the night, you're doing so after coming home from having a few.   :beer:

Guilty as charged.   :-[
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 22 July 2020, 23:28:21
I feel like I should be threatening to banish you all to the Hall or something...

you can't scare me with that. i ran discussion boards for my online classes this spring with teenagers
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Ruger on 23 July 2020, 04:20:06
Also, thinking of Billy Joel songs ... Allentown, Down Easter Alexa (sp) ... you could soooo fit those into BT!

You forgot what could be both the easiest and possibly hardest at the same time:

“We Didn’t Start the Fire!”

I imagine it themed to the Word of Blake.

 ;D

Ruger
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: jimdigris on 23 July 2020, 06:03:14
The Battletech/Billy Joel jokes are worthy of their own thread.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 July 2020, 07:47:20
The Battletech/Billy Joel jokes are worthy of their own thread.

So rope it in, please.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 23 July 2020, 07:59:12
Sorry if it's been asked answered already, but any update on the things on the Coming Releases page that just listed a month like Rock of the Republic, Icons of War, or Honor's Gauntlet?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 23 July 2020, 10:52:29
Rock soon, probably by next week. We're figuring out a release plan now.

Icons of War, a bit longer. Some good fact-check feedback on that one. I've learned a lot about relative motion of JumpShip travel, I've learned a lot about the average speed of galactic rotation, and maybe--just maybe--I've learned a little bit...about myself. (But really I'm just a bystander for fiction FC process, that's JoeChummer's department mostly.)

Honor Guard, good question. Close-ish? I need to check.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: wantec on 23 July 2020, 13:01:52
Thanks for the update
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: I am Belch II on 23 July 2020, 14:16:39
Thanks for the update


Nice update!!!!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 24 July 2020, 12:49:17
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Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 24 July 2020, 12:57:07
While nice, guess that means no on the fiction.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 24 July 2020, 13:08:15
new retrotech commando variant, retrotech phoenix variants, industrial mechs in Kaumberg

the long-unstatted Warhammer WHM-6Rk from ER 2750 snuck into Thermo Police
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dmon on 24 July 2020, 13:49:47
Touring the Stars: Kaumberg is exactly what I hoped it would be.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: trboturtle on 24 July 2020, 14:05:27
Rock soon, probably by next week. We're figuring out a release plan now.

Icons of War, a bit longer. Some good fact-check feedback on that one. I've learned a lot about relative motion of JumpShip travel, I've learned a lot about the average speed of galactic rotation, and maybe--just maybe--I've learned a little bit...about myself. (But really I'm just a bystander for fiction FC process, that's JoeChummer's department mostly.)


You're lucky -- you weren't the one who had to do the rewrite...... :P

Craig
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: HABeas2 on 24 July 2020, 16:33:30
Touring the Stars: Kaumberg is exactly what I hoped it would be.  :thumbsup:

Oh? How so?

- Herb
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 24 July 2020, 17:09:06
new retrotech commando variant, retrotech phoenix variants, industrial mechs in Kaumberg

the long-unstatted Warhammer WHM-6Rk from ER 2750 snuck into Thermo Police

Roll on Monday I like new stuff
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 26 July 2020, 13:20:04
No love for Big Mac. They’re the only merc dice left in stock
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 26 July 2020, 14:49:42
No love for Big Mac. They’re the only merc dice left in stock

They are due a Spot Light book or something. They have been a house unit for so long, I need to remind myself the MAC was a merc unit first. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 26 July 2020, 19:16:04
not an upcoming release: but the house faction dice are on sale for $5.00 @CGL store ... s/h for two sets almost as much as two sets, but still decent.

I just realized: are they open to send stuff out yet? or was that IWM?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 26 July 2020, 19:18:25
Both cgl and iwm have been open for a while now
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Wolf72 on 26 July 2020, 19:23:38
Both cgl and iwm have been open for a while now

thank you! one of those 'out of touch with everything' day for me.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 27 July 2020, 19:36:30
Because I'd never break a promise to Sartris...

Good news! Technical Readout: Golden Century and Era Digest: Golden Century will be available in print-on-demand and PDF this Friday, July 31. Don't worry, Recognition Guide: ilClan, Vol. 4 is still planned for release that day as well.

To tide you over, here's a look at a 'Mech from the book, the Vision Quest!

One more thing: you may start to see the new Blaine Lee Pardoe novella Rock of the Republic appearing on your favorite e-book platforms over the next few days. Due to the variations in publishing methods and timing between the platforms, we can't provide a single date when it would drop on all of them. However, once it becomes available on all e-book platforms and in print-on-demand, we'll be sharing the convenient one-stop link to get it.

(https://i.ibb.co/sjMJXGb/Vision-Quest-ink-shaded.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wyxr2XB)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 27 July 2020, 19:42:12
Ha!  Even the 'mech looks like its saying "YES!"
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 27 July 2020, 19:52:43
Good news! Technical Readout: Golden Century and Era Digest: Golden Century will be available in print-on-demand and PDF this Friday, July 31. Don't worry, Recognition Guide: ilClan, Vol. 4 is still planned for release that day as well.

Really glad to hear this.  I'm at least as excited about the two TROs as I am about the recognition guides.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 27 July 2020, 23:31:50
Really glad to hear this.  I'm at least as excited about the two TROs as I am about the recognition guides.

Only one TRO, ED is just setting up to be available POD while it was PDF only before.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dies Irae on 27 July 2020, 23:58:17
(https://i.ibb.co/sjMJXGb/Vision-Quest-ink-shaded.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wyxr2XB)

The chassis shape and weird joints make me half expect the design to transform into a tank or a jet or something.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Weirdo on 28 July 2020, 00:16:05
Almost looks like a Cataphract IIC to me...
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ravensword on 28 July 2020, 00:27:18
Only one TRO, ED is just setting up to be available POD while it was PDF only before.

I know, but it's still one of the TROs, and should indicate that the second will be on its way SoonTM.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 00:40:19
Because I'd never break a promise to Sartris...

feel free to do so at all times

this is a fortuitous amount of heads up as my credit card just cycled. definitely staying off ebay until next month so i don't do anything stupid with my discretionary funds

I know, but it's still one of the TROs, and should indicate that the second will be on its way SoonTM.

guessing a release gap would be planned rather than forced. they were originally slated to drop two weeks apart so august 14 would be the landing spot for it if they stick to their original spacing.   
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 28 July 2020, 00:44:23
Sartris, you really do have this down to a science. You know.  This thing you do for the community.   For free.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 28 July 2020, 06:24:22
Almost looks like a Cataphract IIC to me...

I get Nova Cat Omni feel for legs given its the Vision Quest the Nova Cats first Mech not a big surprise

I think 60-70 tons
Particle cannon and small lasers on arm
Large lasers over shoulder
Machine guns or small lasers on battle arm
Maybe a hidden SRM launcher on other shoulder under X pad
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 28 July 2020, 06:43:41
Seeing how it was supposed to be Gen Con week, I'm glad we're getting more than just the Rec Guide.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 July 2020, 09:07:44
We started getting GenCon stuff weeks ago- like when they dropped the limited number of puzzles & posters.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Fat Guy on 28 July 2020, 09:28:44
Just downloaded Rock of the Republic from B&N.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: PsylockeSmythe on 28 July 2020, 09:36:31
Just downloaded Rock of the Republic from B&N.   :thumbsup:
I'm just waiting for the PoD version.  I do love my dead tree books :)

Psy
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 July 2020, 09:55:03
Also out on kindle.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Istal_Devalis on 28 July 2020, 10:54:54
Good news! Technical Readout: Golden Century and Era Digest: Golden Century will be available in print-on-demand and PDF this Friday, July 31.
Whoohoo! May the zombie catgirls pass you by in the night. Unless that's your thing, I wont judge.
I get Nova Cat Omni feel for legs given its the Vision Quest the Nova Cats first Mech not a big surprise

I think 60-70 tons
Particle cannon and small lasers on arm
Large lasers over shoulder
Machine guns or small lasers on battle arm
Maybe a hidden SRM launcher on other shoulder under X pad
I always figured it was going to be an ER Laser test bed. From the pic, I was guessing ERLL in the arm, ERMLs in the shoulder, and ERSL in the arms. Given it's an old, and double extinct design, probably all standard tech beyond that. Maybe DHS if they're feeling kind.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: LastChanceCav on 28 July 2020, 11:21:56
Looks like I'll need to clear my Friday evening schedule to take in the old and the new from the Clans.

Cheers,
LCC
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 11:40:45
I'm just waiting for the PoD version.  I do love my dead tree books :)

Psy

yeah same. i was pleased gray markets and slack tide made it to PoD. maybe onslaught too at some point?

Sartris, you really do have this down to a science. You know.  This thing you do for the community.   For free.

i am, if nothing else, a man of the people. besides, who's dumb enough to pay me to do internet clownery? 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: S.gage on 28 July 2020, 12:30:51
Because I'd never break a promise to Sartris...

Good news! Technical Readout: Golden Century and Era Digest: Golden Century will be available in print-on-demand and PDF this Friday, July 31. Don't worry, Recognition Guide: ilClan, Vol. 4 is still planned for release that day as well.

To tide you over, here's a look at a 'Mech from the book, the Vision Quest!

One more thing: you may start to see the new Blaine Lee Pardoe novella Rock of the Republic appearing on your favorite e-book platforms over the next few days. Due to the variations in publishing methods and timing between the platforms, we can't provide a single date when it would drop on all of them. However, once it becomes available on all e-book platforms and in print-on-demand, we'll be sharing the convenient one-stop link to get it.

(https://i.ibb.co/sjMJXGb/Vision-Quest-ink-shaded.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wyxr2XB)

Thank you!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Centurion03 on 28 July 2020, 16:43:29

Hmmmm. That right arm looks like some sort of autocannon to me. Perhaps a LBX10 or UAC10. The left shoulder probably houses paired ERLL, with the left arm housing machine guns. 65 tons perhaps?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 16:45:20
i've got an AC in the right arm as well. there's also that bit on the head that's probably something
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Cubby on 28 July 2020, 18:36:48
Ha!  Even the 'mech looks like its saying "YES!"

“Listen up, rooks. You’ve all got sim scores the brass decided were acceptable. Your parents all wrote checks to the right academies. But you ain’t nothin’ until you can drop one of our hated enemies and shame their ancestors by making your ‘Mech do a fist pump over their smoking corpse! Do you get me??”

“WE GET YOU, SIR!!”
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Dragon Cat on 28 July 2020, 18:46:26
i've got an AC in the right arm as well. there's also that bit on the head that's probably something

Missed that maybe targeting computer or ECM
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 28 July 2020, 19:08:17
“Listen up, rooks. You’ve all got sim scores the brass decided were acceptable. Your parents all wrote checks to the right academies. But you ain’t nothin’ until you can drop one of our hated enemies and shame their ancestors by making your ‘Mech do a fist pump over their smoking corpse! Do you get me??”

“WE GET YOU, SIR!!”

This needs a like button.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 28 July 2020, 19:10:01
“Listen up, rooks. You’ve all got sim scores the brass decided were acceptable. Your parents all wrote checks to the right academies. But you ain’t nothin’ until you can drop one of our hated enemies and shame their ancestors by making your ‘Mech do a fist pump over their smoking corpse! Do you get me??”

“WE GET YOU, SIR!!”

Huuah!  Now on to BattleMech calisthenics!   DROP AND GIVE ME FIFTY!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: DarkSpade on 28 July 2020, 19:27:43
Woah, completely missed that the rec guides are going to be 22 volumes.  :o  Thought it was only 4!
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 19:35:20
We’re getting six initially with vol 06 on aug 28. No word on when exactly they restart but it will be in the fall. I think it said they’ll run though early next year
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 28 July 2020, 19:56:47
Rec guides are cool, but I can't wait for The IlClan.   >:D

(When I type in the letters "il" the first word my phone offers up is IlClan, haha.)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 July 2020, 20:31:49
i've got an AC in the right arm as well. there's also that bit on the head that's probably something

65t . . . 4/6(8)/4, 98% std armor, LB-20X w/3t ammo, 2 ERLL, and 3 Flamers . . . w/14 DHS.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 28 July 2020, 20:46:37
my guess (Design forum link)

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60504.msg1635852#msg1635852
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 20:50:39
it's from the 2820s so probably no ER pulse
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Greatclub on 28 July 2020, 20:53:58
thought it was rec guide for some reason.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 28 July 2020, 20:59:23
Hmm.....wonder where one could find a hint.  ^-^
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: mrbooth on 28 July 2020, 21:19:47
Hmm.....wonder where one could find a hint.  ^-^

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=246.msg1635710#msg1635710

would this be what you are refering to, had to leave the box over half the weapons didn't you.

Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 21:35:06
looks like


gauss
x2 er large
x3 med pulse (the slider looks like you can scroll down a bit)


?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 28 July 2020, 21:38:14
If it had all that, why did this 'mech die out?  Just to make way for the OmniMech?
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Hammer on 28 July 2020, 21:40:25
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=246.msg1635710#msg1635710

would this be what you are refering to, had to leave the box over half the weapons didn't you.

Gotta have some fun.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Colt Ward on 28 July 2020, 21:55:54
looks like


gauss
x2 er large
x3 med pulse (the slider looks like you can scroll down a bit)


?

Yeah, and by the icon its a heavy as suspected . . . and 24 DHS.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 28 July 2020, 22:17:27
If it had all that, why did this 'mech die out?  Just to make way for the OmniMech?

I feel like that's just something we're going to have to accept with these designs (aside from the odd star league or intermediate tech system). The same way we just had to accept the early mechs in ED Golden Century went the way of the dodo even when they were actually pretty great in some cases.

Clan tech peaked early, and didn't go anywhere for a long time afterward, so there's not a lot of room for older designs to just be inferior technologically, and it'd look weird if they were just badly designed.

looks like


gauss
x2 er large
x3 med pulse (the slider looks like you can scroll down a bit)


?

I'm betting the gauss is an "improved" model, just because some text was cut off. 
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: Sartris on 28 July 2020, 22:27:26
that makes sense. the standard clan gauss was just exiting the prototype phase when the vision quest debuted
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: ANS Kamas P81 on 29 July 2020, 00:17:24
We need a XVII thread.  Any name suggestions?  Besides 'IlClan When?' of course.
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: rebs on 29 July 2020, 00:20:04
How about

Upcoming Releases XVII: Golden Century, Scorpions, and IlClans (oh my)
Title: Re: Upcoming Releases XVI: Jardine Grand Tour
Post by: SteelRaven on 29 July 2020, 01:00:48
Licensed to ilClan